What's Marvel doing wrong?
>>151603419not making deals with comic hub
>>151603419Marvel hasn't been good since the 90s.In the modern era they were propped up entirely by movie casuals and spider-cucks. Turns out the former stop reading if the movies stop being good. Maybe the latter finally developed some dignity and stopped buying slop that hates them... ah who am I kidding spider-cucks are too addicted to prepping the bvll at this point to ever unlatch.
>>151603419MCU synergy fatigue probably.
>>151603748what? you dont enjoy reading 7 different series with 2 movies and an animated show to understand whats going on?
>>151603754that's not a thing
>Ultimate fell off>cheap ragebait>Krakoa was the most interesting X-Men had been since early 2000's and Marvel fucked it>Brevoort is retarded>Kamala was a rising star and they fucked it>cancelled Magik when she was doing excellent making her really fucking difficult to follow for the casuals who are interested>cancel good books like Iron Man>ASM suffering from Wells fallout>Bervoort is retarded>released Premier at 15$ and a very small selection>Al Ewing has been relegated to the shittiest Venom book of all time. Not necessarily in quality but in interest. Even if MJ Venom is good, who the fuck wants to read that shit?>people read Marvel because the characters were grounded. Marvel lost that and has been supplanted by indies like InvincibleMarvel has had good things going for them but they keep fucking them up. DC experimented more and since Gunn took over, they've gained brain cells. Infinite expanded to Europe under him, he promotes the comics, you get Finest and Compacts. Marvel is retarded and DC has leadership that cares enough to smell the blood in the water
>>151603840youre correct, its not a thing. its how marvel operated in 2021
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>>151603419Marvel doesn't do graphic novels.
>>151604217DCsisters... what is this?
>>151604489Marvel publishes more books. Doesn't matter if they make any money as marketshare is determined by volume of books NOT sales or dollars made.
>>151604534>Market Share (Dollars)
>>151603732>Turns out the former stop reading if the movies stop being goodImpying MCU casuals ever even bothered picking up a comic
>>151603951I think they need to bring back the spider marriage
>>151603419marvel doesn't work in TPB, booket or hardcover format.
>>151604967I dont think people buy the spider man book to read it.
>>151603732>spider-cucks are too addicted to prepping the bvll at this point to ever unlatchNo one does that but the Marvel employees themselves.
>>151603732>since the 90s.Yeah. The early 90s. They went to shit around 1993.
>>151604482they used to, like the silver surfer graphic novel. wasn’t triumph and torment also considered one?
What fucking storylines has Marvel run in the past year hat's worth buying a collection of? Absolute line is hot
>>151604557Yes, it's dictated by the total price of marvel comics in stores, not on how they've sold
>>151603419They don't have the Sonic blessing apparently.
>>151604217it wasn't too long ago when Marvel was at 45%
>>151603419not publishing their own imaginary list of rankings with zero supporting evidence
>>151603419Marvel never printed great comics.
>>151603951Marvel shitting the bed with Epic collections by raising their price completely turned me off. What's the point in collecting them like that if they're not going to be somewhat cheap and affordable?IDK, I've gotten most of what I wanted from the Epic collections (minus Rom and Micronauts) and all I really want now is some of the stuff that's lapsed into OOP like some of the earlier Captain America and Thor stuff
>>151603419>>151604967
>>151605822They relaunched X-Men, which should have been a big event and it's been a disaster. It's been barely a year and they're already running an alternate timeline nobody asked for and ain't even that interesting.2024 was the year the mutants were back thanks to the cartoon and Deadpool. But they already had hired lame Gail Simone who had zero interest for developing anyone but Rogue despite having an stellar cast and promised things she never delivered.
>>151606250I always think this is Kate Bishop when I see this and get confused
>>151603419Too busy making billions of dollars with their movies to care about making hundreds of dollars with comics.
>>151606501>making billions of dollars with their movies
>>151606268She's not?
>>151603419Not pandering to CHUDs. It’s that simple.
>>151605833That's the way it was in the diamond days. This is bookscan. It's POS dollars.
>>151607068All this time and no one is going to notice those charts are for three different things?>>151606251They never relaunched X-Men, they just carried on with the logical progression of the storyline following the Krakoa arc (an arc that people were already checking out of as early as five years ago). It's as much a relaunch as all the other times they've slapped a #1 on a book when they changed writers.
>>151606612Yeah...they dont anymore
>>151606251Simone's Uncanny is decent. it had a rough start having to set up the new Brevoort driven status quo then immediately going into an event crossover, but now its got a good groove with the cast. If you think thats the problem with the X relaunch, you're just a tourist . Look at the obvious disasters like Phoenix, Storm (which they're propping up like they did Carol Danvers), Sentinels, X-Factor, Thorne's X-Force, Exceptional X-Men (another instance of the writer bring propped up), Deadpool and Wolverine fatigue just as their movie made a lot of money, NYX
Bludd thinks he is on the team.
>>151606638Shrinking Violet.
>>151603419>hey we created this cool alt universe for new fans to get into!>but uhh...you have to have read the old one for 90% of plots to make sense>also umm we ruined the pacing by making each comic monthly and taking place in real time>oh and it's going to all end after two years anyways so don't bother to get invested
>>151603419>What's Marvel doing wrong?Clearly not putting out enough stories about Peter being cuckolded
>>151603748Did it ever exist?
>>151609414Where's Norrin?
>>151603419Disney not giving their paid shills the correct directions.
>>151603419Don't worry the upcoming Silent Mobius x Avengers crossover is totally going to put Marvel back on top of sales
>>151609467>Silent MobiusKinod ED theme.
>>151609447I believe that at best 1% of the movies audiences that weren't already comic readers picked any of the comics.
>>151609682So we established MCU synergy is alive and well, cool.
>>151603419>Martian Manhunter in 2nd placeThe world is healing, isn't it?
>>151603419>>151609467Odd pairing
>>151609713Sure if by synergy you mean a few thousands people pick maybe one comic in a span of 15 years sure.
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DC has an edge marvel cant have because marvel is owned by disney, disney is family friendly garbage, and also now woke garbageDC always beat marvel when it comes to comics and cartoons, but marvel won the movies....up until everyone got cape shit fatigue
>>151609883Everyone has their particular tastes, but Marvel has consistently crushed DC in floppy sales for decades.
>>151603419They fucked up Ultimate with that retarded real time gimmick and then deciding they're just going to end it so early
>>151603419>current Avengers run ruined by events>X-Men comics are full into shitty nostalgia>Fantastic Four is nothing but episodic plots>latest events were all boring>Ultimate Universe was mostly boring and already going to end>Spiderman's life is shit as usual
>>151610111It's not ending "early," it's ending at the original agreed-upon time they set up from the first miniseries. They originally had a vague idea of possibly keeping it going after that, but it didn't work out.
>>151603419Surprisingly this is probably the first time that Hickman USM vol 1 isn't on that Top 20 TPB chart since it was released back in September last year.>>151608540lol noAt best those might've charted once, when they were newly released, but if they even make it in the top 20 they never last long afterwards, especially compared to Hickman's USM
>>151610025The problem is in the last decade or so Marvel got too overreliant on variants, incentive variants, and constant relaunches. the recent Ultimate was probably the thing that got a lot a lot of people interested but it was clear the rest of the people in charge of the company really didn't want that
>>151610752they became reliant on them because the writing has become absolute dogwater Civil War in retrospective was basically their downfall
>>151604217AIIEEEEEEEE DELETE THIS DELETE THIS OR I'LL MAKE ANOTHER 20 THREADS ABOUT HOW DC IS BETTER THAN MARVEL!!!
>>151603419Looking at that chart, this is filled with DC Compacts; some were out in November (V For Vendetta, We3), others have been out for months (All Star Superman, Watchmen). The chart also the softcover editions of the Absolute books out in November. To put it this way, Marvel was doing the smaller size TPBs with Mighty Marvel Masterworks first, long before DC Compact. But few people noticed and I'm not sure why. They're not doing something closer to what DC Compact is doing with Marvel Premier but those are $14.99 against DC's $9.99Marvel also hasn't really drummed enough consistent interest in their books and been generally reliant on incentive variants, events, and frequent relaunches to have their edge over DC in the floppy market.
>>151604217>>151604489I'm looking at League Of Comics Geeks' list of comics for November. How the fuck does nearly every Marvel comic have an incentive variant? Like I think there's only 8 Marvel comics that don't have any incentive variant and just regular variants. Predator Badlands almost counted as 9 but then they did a reprint with a 1:25 variant.
>>151609735>>151609794I doubt many anons here (let alone Marvelfags) know or care about Silent Mobius or any of the other series by the same mangaka (Steam Detectives and Corrector Yui)
>>151604967how is the current X-MEN mega even doing so badly?x-men is always a power seller, and Apocalypse is a fan favorite
Reminder that Ultimate Wolverine is under the Ultimate office, not the X-Office.The X-Office has 0 top 20 books.Does Marvel realize their fans hate the books they are fans of right now?
>>151604929Marvel editors made it clear that they would rather the publishing house go bankrupt than restore the marriage.
>>151613653Apocalypse isn't the villain, it's Revelation. Sales never recovered after Hickman left, broken concept.
>>151613653Because it's not about Apocalypse, it's about Doug. And it feels like a filler arc buying time for the next wave in 2026. Like even if you're invested in Uncanny or whatever there's not a great reason to pay attention to this lame AU where maybe your favorite character doesn't appear that won't be relevant come January. It's not even the same numbering or title.
>>151604967>X-Men of Apocalypse #1Now, I have not been paying attention to what Marvel has been doing, but the fact that an X-Men #1 debuted at fucking #22 is nuts for me.And judging by the name, it sounds like it's an event book.
>>151603419Marvel's trade game is super weak and the 10 issue limit isn't helpingBy the time the first trade of a run is out you've usually found out the book is cancelled
>>151613653>>151613734Because they're just doing yet another Dark Future/Dark Timeline thingThey probably thought the X-fans wanted more of this kind of thing but it turned out, no
>>151614091It's just a nostalgia mini with Jeph Loeb, those never do great.
>>1516141602015 was ANAD?
>>151614160Spider-Man > DMC
>>151614233It was. What a horrid time.
>>151614250Nah.
>>151614250Dante fights the devilPeter let not-Satan take his marriage and unborn daughter
>>151614250There is no way spider man Beats Dante.
>>151614351Let me correct that; A Spider Man from the 90s, willing to beat the shit out of a pregnant MJ could maybe stand a chance.
>>151614091>>151614216Actually the real shocker is it sold more than the actual event (X-Men of Apocalypse is higher than Amazing X-Men #2 on that chart), but it could be the issue #1 factor (people deciding to jump in to read it) and the number of incentive variants it got (X-Men of Apocalypse has six incentive variants, one of which is a 1:50 variant of the Joe Madureira cover and one which is a 1:200 of that same Joe Madureira cover)
>>151614233Yeah, it was like around November 2015 or so
>>151612376Also I'm looking at DC's list for November and the only comics that had incentive variants seemed to be>Absolute Batman>Batman>DC KO>Green Lantern>Green Lantern CorpsI was honestly surprised that DC's Batman/Deadpool didn't have one
>>151603419>>151604217Oh no, DCxizters. How are we Losing?!!!
>>151614160I should go on Wednesday instead of at the end of the month like I usually do.
>>151604489>>151611158>>151614727We get it Marvel shill, you have the largest market share because nearly every book you have requires people to buy 25 copies or more to get a variant
>>151613653>x-men is always a power sellerIt's really not. While some of its titles are usually high selling, the majority of the X-titles are mid-carders with more than few failing to draw interest. This is consistent across the years with most of the sales peaks that get pointed out regressing to the mean over time if not outright continuing to drop until a relaunch.
>>151604967>Nova not even in the top 50It was over before it began Richbros
>>151616017It's only graphic novels, but>No movie ever coming>Last time he was regularly appearing in comics was 2020>Still has to deal with having been associated with SamMost of his fans have rightfully moved on
>>151603419It is important to note that of the top 50 list, Marvel still is over half of it, beating out DC and all of the indies.But the reason why their fucking up the top ten so hard is probably because Spider-Man and X-Men have been pretty lackluster. And those are their biggest titles.Then their event books haven't been making the mark recently. One World Under Doom dragged and bored audiences.But Marvel should be more concerned about the graphic novel market, where DC is absolutely crushing it
>>151610025It's fun how you can see the graphed impacts of the double-blow of Tom King's Batman and Bendis's Superman there.I'm glad I wasn't into comic books then, that was a depressing time.
>>151603419Don’t worry.Bendis is back.
>>151618241DON’T REMIND ME
>>151603419Not giving Ennis another Punisher run
>>151604482Of course they do.
>>151617070Do you think people will stop buying spiderman after 1000?
>>151614271truly, what WERE the higher ups thinking? I will never understand why the main strategies by corpos in charge of geekshit aimed at men were >diversity quotas (this will SURELY get women and non-white people interested...even though we're still not writing stories about what women and non-whites actually want to see)>hiring self-indulgent incurious writers (who don't read) that dislike geekshit/adventure, actively resent half the population for finding women sexy, and can't write Theme, only Message>editorial being filled with assholes and retards who have pisspoor ideas outside of their godawful fanfiction that we've been stuck with (remember guys, outrage = sales)I know people will cry about DEI or ESG and Blackrock but it genuinely befuddles me that the Obama administration literally made propaganda aimed at the population totally legal, and instead of just going with the obvious solution of filling geekshit with romance stories, we instead got>erm, we need MORE women and MORE non-whites (but they can't be cool or sexy or undermine the editorial's bad ideas) and if you don't like this we'll get mad at you >:(Do suits literally think that women would show up in droves because "oh wow, there's more lady superheroes" or that black people would go "damn, a black Spider-Man". Not even black people like Miles! More Hispanics and Whites bought tickets to Spider-Verse 2 than them!
>>151619793like it boggles my mind that we could have lived in a different timeline where:>the MCU and Marvel comics became more focused on romance and characters starting families in an attempt to draw in women>Mary Jane and Spiderman get a comic, Superman and Lois Lane get a comic, Supergirl gets a Reverse Harem manga, etc.>Spider-Man gets a whole film series dedicated to his drama with Mary Jane and Gwen and then raising Mayday>the X-Men love drama comes back with a vengeance>we get fun and trashy slice of life/drama spin-offs that are the Marvel equivalent to Sex and the City or Gossip Girl BUT WE DIDN'T GET THAT and instead we got>here's Strong Anglo Woman and Strong Black Woman, complete with mannish chins and a lack of curves or skin on display>no, we won't allow them to wear fashionable or cool outfits either>no, they aren't dating anyone >and no, they won't get to do anything that's remotely controversial unless it's spiteful towards men
>>151617070>But Marvel should be more concerned about the graphic novel market, where DC is absolutely crushing itWhy should Marvel be concerend about a market that they've literally never given a shit about - and for good reason because it purely consists of retarded nu-comic fans who buy a few and move on from the hobby. It's literally the Amazon Warehouse job of the comic industry where "workers" leave and are constantly replaced by another new fag because all they do is sell them at chain book stores. >>151615536>calling people Marvel shills online despite DC only having a little army of shills who exclusively exist in the online space and have this weird inferiority complex where they constantly have to assert how they feel "Marvel has better movies but DC has always had heckin better animation, comics and games"
>>151619913Sure thing shill
>>151615536>DC>limit Marvel's distrubition>Marvel is publishing the far better books>Marvel moves on>immeditely starts raping DC in cultural and story relevance, art, and sales>this continues through the 70s where DC still by and large publishes outdated Archie slop that only people older than 50 were reading.>get raped again through Marvels best era in the 80s>midway through realise how cooked you are and reboot but your reboot was half baked because you have a weak editorial.>win a couple of years in the 90s because Marvel shat the bed so hard>DC pivots to darkslop in the 2000s but still lost the era as a whole>new shitty 2>also somehow worse than all new all different>skip forward and win 2025 because Marvel shat the bedDCucks have been in their chair watching their universe get pounded for so long that literally any time they attain some semblence of quality they act out.
>>151603419Absolute and Compact are basically holding DC together so naturally marvel fucked both of their equivalents up.Marvel barely pushed Ultimate more and instead they just cancelled the line in just two years, assuming they won't relaunch it in 2027 to try to ape off Absolute more.DC had their Compact be 10 dollars to entice nonreaders to pick it up, and DC has tons of evergreen trades that can be made into one. Marvel has less evergreen trades and they made their Compact equivalent 15 dollars. Mind you 15 dollars is like 1-2 dollars cheaper than a brand new DC trade paperback and more expensive than some popular DC trade paperbacks that are 2-3+ years old.
>>151620014Compact was obviously very good for them but it's really a testament to their fanbase that will buy books that literally fall apart mid-read.
>>151603419I thought that Peach momoko was that old tokyopop princess peach for a moment. But even still, that's fucking dire.I would say hating their audience, but doesn't DC hate the fuck out of their audience as well?
>>151604967On some comic youtuber podcast Snyder said that Absolute Wonder Woman, Batman, and Superman all regularly sell six figures, and as we can see here Absolute Green Lantern and Flash aren't far behind despite both being slow and alright at best.What went so right with Absolute that Marvel failed with the new Ultimate?
>>151620014Marvel even failed with the covers of those trades. They're so unappealing and corporate compared to the Compact covers.
>>151620219Marvel Premier and DC Compact covers are both dogshit.
>>151620376>muh whataboutism
>>151620137Ultimate still outperforms most of Marvel's lineup. I think it's pretty clear that upsets certain people in charge of Marvel who thinks they need to double down on BND shit, especially when Ultimate Spider-Man usually outsells most of what Marvel puts out and its Volume 1 did well in trades consistently (as pointed out above it remained on the Top 20 TPB/GN list since it was released last September, until its absence in November's chart
>>151603419>What's Marvel doing wrong?"Revelation"
>>151620014And from the looks of that picture, Marvel's Premier's are way bigger than DC's Compacts
>ComicHub
>>151603419damn
>>151619765I would not be surprised if several thousands of people stop buying Spider-Man after #1000.Spider-Man is awkward because, despite being the second most popular superhero by a wide margin, his comic books are usually bad.Spidey is moreso a comic people buy to collect than to read. A lot of those collectors are guys in their 40s-60s now, and I think not an insignificant number of them will be looking for a jumping off point.
>>151619793It is wild.You'd think the old suits would know that, if they really want to appeal to women, they should just focus on things women enjoy - like romance and wish-fulfillment.And gays are a small portion of the population, why risk the often middle aged male comic-reading audience by appealing to 5% of the population?>>151619857I guess the progs must have been convincing or threatening enough to force the execs hands.Doing stories about 'tough' and unsexy women superheroes in stories only about action and politics isn't going to get any women interested in reading comic books.
>>151623603A lot of collectors have also said as much which is why so many people think it’s going to be them course correctingIt’s current Marvel so I highly doubt it
>>151619913>Why should Marvel be concerend about a market that they've literally never given a shit aboutGraphic novels are a much bigger business than comic books, and as the old legacy comic book fans die or age out of the hobby, there needs to be new blood.And the best way to reach them will be through graphic novels they can buy affordably in book stores.
>>151620053I read through the whole of Watchmen and All-Star Superman, and not fast mind you, and then had other people pick it up and read it, and there's been no problem.
>>151620137>What went so right with Absolute that Marvel failed with the new Ultimate?Ultimate doesn't feel that much different from the mainline series.The designs are the same more or less, the world is very similar.Absolute has wildly different designs and takes on the characters. So it's more attention grabbing and novel
>>151623657The biggest thing Marvel could do to save Spider-Man would be to restore his marriage and have the character progress again.But the editors really hate that idea. At this point I imagine keeping Spidey single is a part of their pride, something they will refuse to back down on. They probably can't admit that they were wrong.The other thing Marvel could do would be the nuclear option, rebooting their continuity. Considering their biggest brands, Spider-Man and X-Men are in a really sorry state, and Marvel is definitely not going to fix those books, a reboot would be the only other thing that will restore interest.I wouldn't be shocked if that happened within the next 10 years
>>151603951Marvel really learned nothing from the bankruptcy brought about from coasting on the Speculator Bubble... They just rid on the MCU's coattails until they finally ripped...
>>151604967Age of Revelation having zero presence in the Top 20 is a damning indictment of Brevoort and his duties as THE CONDUCTOR OF XI seriously can't believe he gave himself a credit that pretentious...
>>151619857>no, we won't allow them to wear fashionable or cool outfits eitherThat one is aomething I've never thought about, but it's actually really true, huh.A lot of women love fashion.I know.its stereotypical to say, butit's the truth - the most succesful women oriented live service game is - well, it's that "love and deep space" bad boy choking you POV simulator, but after that its Infinity Nikki, which is seemingly all about pretty dresses and fashion designs and such.Thats a niche or at least an intrinsic appeal to women that hollywood &co refuses to entertain anymore.
>>151622086I remember seeing somebody say it's about half an inch bigger each side
>>151623730They’d never do it and so few writers seem to even want to write them as married again. Sure you have big voices advocating for it but then you have Slott writing MJ as a sex object wanting to get fucked by random guys and Kelly saying she’s just a side piece that shows up to cause problems and that’s all her worth
>>151623998That’s because the only writers still being employed at the big two are all from the same retarded clique that all agree with each other and Brevoort/Quesada/Take your pick
>>151603951>Krakoa was the most interesting X-Men had been since early 2000's and Marvel fucked itFuck off r/xmen
>>151624931He said most interesting, not best.
>>151618470This.
>>151609467And don't forget the Marvel/Real Madrid one!
>>151603419Here's a better question, what are they doing right? Answer: nothing.
>>151620008>DCucksIncoming ban.
>>151606250>DChuds bitching about comics being grimdark two decades ago are now worshipping edgy absolute slop just because it doesn't feature tranniesNothing indicates the death of /co/ better than the current Big 2 fan piggy.
>>151619913>Why should Marvel be concerend about a market that they've literally never given a shit aboutYeah anon why should they care about the normie book store market, Marvel's doing just fine as evidenced by the countless variant covers they put out with each and every comic they release. Everyone knows a sign of a healthy business is when they force their customers to buy multiple copies of the same thing or else they face complete and total collapse
>>151625067>>151620008>>151614727
>>151625067its edgy but they're fighting against cosmic satan to bring hope back so its good
>>151603419I mean I can only talk from my experience, I've been a Wednesday Warrior since 2002 and up till about the 2010s the vast majority of my pull list has been Marvel. But now I've just got Hulk, Ultimate Spider-Man, and the upcoming Iron Man book. I tried the X-Men stuff and Avengers and I dunno everything Marvel now just seems so...cheap? Like everything feels cheap. The writing is very amateur, you may get the first couple issues of a new arc drawn by the marquee name but the majority of the series is drawn by some South American scrub, even the product itself feels cheap, the covers feel like they're made of tissue paper and the actual story pages have such cheap paper the colors get all muted and shitty. And despite how cheap it feels they charge 5 dollarydoos for each issue. The Ultimate stuff was cool but they kneecapped that by announcing it's ending so it's like what's the point of getting invested?
>>151603419-if everyone is spider-man, no one is spider-man-medieval knight aesthetic is stupid for klyntar and the only venom that matters is eddie brock 90s aesthetic-krakoa was absolute trash. it was a dumpster that got bitten by a radioactive fire. liberal writers were literally trying to glamorize a fascist ethnostate-x-men has been shit since atleast 2014/bendis and needs to be rebooted to before bendis, and reintegrate the 90s cartoon feel since x-men 97 was actually good-maybe don't fuck with the writers for x-men 97. that could bomb if done badly-depowering dr strange was retarded. if anything there should be a midnight sons run where dr strange is leading a team with other characters like morbius, blade, ghost rider, moon knight, maybe the ghost of Druid, magik and juggernaut-no space comics. where the fuck is a team arc with silver surfer, beta ray bill and Nova-turns out no one gave a shit about reeree williams-turns out no one gives a shit about ms marvel-turns out no one gives a shit about captain marvel-turns out no one asked for mosaic or inhumans-horrible writers all around, but especially for x-men. it's actually astounding that marvel isn't willing to pay more well known writers to write stories for the sake of stories.-turns out no one asked for female silver surfer and fantastic four aren't that popular-marvel consistently refuses to make more animated movies like DC-dropping punisher was a horrible decision, and throwing punisher in with bullshit ninjas was also a horrible decision. that would have made more sense with daredevil if the writing wasn't so badat this point it looks as if the big two are being bad on purpose while taking bribes from manga companies or something. the only thing that makes me question this is DC's part, because absolute wonder woman is actually a decent comic and it throws me off.i'll keep trying to follow comics that are not big two, though>>151603951>kamala a rising star>krakoa interestingBS
>>151614183two things i want most are a reboot to before bendis and to drop overrated characters like cyclops, wolverine, jean grey and emma frost. x-men would be better in some capacity if those characters weren't around, i can almost guarantee it. put xavier in the background too.
>>151625067I wouldn't really call the Absolute line grimdark.It is edgy, but in a more playful way.Absolute Batman is intentionally silly and outlandish, Absolute Wonder Woman is actually more fun and light-hearted than her mainline book despite Diana being raised in hell as a witch by Circe, her typical arch-enemy
>>151625571>-turns out no one gives a shit about captain marvelI don't know, she does have a thread every Tuesday.Also her movie did make over a billion
>>151625806and how is that translating to comics? if all that happened was some normies went to see a movie because muh gurl power, well congrats.
>>151625836>and how is that translating to comics?She went from one of the lesser selling books of Marvel's to being just around the average sales for a Marvel book.
>>151625895damn i got sleepy just reading thatimagine making movies for the sake of movies and not raising comic sales for the same character because normies don't fucking read comics
>>151603419It's one month and it's only graphic novels. Would need more data on floppies to see how they are really doing vs DC
>>151603419Why do so many people love Peach Momoko's Ultimate Xmen that broke it onto this list? I assume they are buying for the art, yet a cuter manga style seemed like a weird choice of art style for Xmen or even New Mutants.
>>151626190I thought the softcover versions of Absolute were out in November, turns out they were released months ago. The only new Absolute on that list are the Martian Manhunter TPB and Hardcover editionsIn other words Absolute Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman's vol 1s have been on that chart since AugustThe only new Compacts on that list are We3 and V For Vendetta since they were first released in NovemberHush, Court of Owls, All Star Superman was released last yearLong Halloween was released in October
>>151626240Ultimate X-Men vol 3 is on that list because it just got released in November. Sometimes a book charts because it's a new release.
>>151625760Grand guignol is the term for it, extreme violence presented in a campy way.
>>151620594>Marvel Premier covers are so unappealing and corporate compared to the DC Compact covers>They're both dogshit.>WHATABOUTISM!Retard.
>>151628038>more muh whataboutism
>>151604967It’s a shame that ultimate spidey fell off so hard
>>151628446Ultimate Spider-Man wasn't even out in November.
>>151603951SEXO
>>151613653As someone who's not missed a single AoR storytime: They aren't very good.Longshots is the top, being a legitimately funny satire.The Last Wolverine and World of Revelation are in the high tier.Undeadpool is good.Amazing X-men is mid and Sinister's Six is carried furry Felicia.Everything else (which is like 8 titles) is either bad, forgettable, or a waste of good concepts (like Rogue Green & Red)
>>151612768I'm sure there are anons who remember when this guy had a short run on X-Men in the early 2000s. Even if I don't now Silent Mobius, I was hyped for the idea of him doing an Avengers story until I saw that Cap and Iron Man are the only classic Avengers we're getting, plus 3 star characters from the New Avengers era, and what looks like Emma Frost of all people over any of the actual female Avengers, which is disgusting.
>>151614049That quote about the X-Men line has been broadly true since the early to mid 2010s at the absolute latest. Early Krakoa was a dead cat bounce, but otherwise Marvel has spent YEARS publishing a gorillion lower-tier X-books that don't sell anywhere near as well as the main X-Men book and the main Wolverine solo do, and they're just doing it because they're always done it, even though it hasn't worked for years.>>151614072It's a new X-Men 'Age of...' event, in homage for the 30th anniversary of the original Age of Apocalypse. But original AoA affected 8 monthly books and 1 quarterly, while Age of Revelation is a lot more titles, and it's dragged in characters from outside the X-books, which fans of those characters mostly don't want, and like every 'Age of...' event after the original, the core premise just isn't as interesting as Age of Apocalypse, the villain isn't as good, yet it's like 4 times bigger and most of that is just pointless bloat.
>>151625571This guy reads comics (I agree with every point)Only current Marvel I'm consistently buying, reading and actually enjoying is Jed Mackay's Moon Knight
>>151623998>and Kelly saying she’s just a side piece that shows up to cause problems and that’s all her worthThis mentality goes back decades. Wolfman wrote MJ out in the 70s in a way that made her look really bad because he was outright rejecting the character growth she'd had. In the 80s, Stern saw MJ as Peter's "the one that got away", who'd just periodically come back to New York, stir up old feelings and cause chaos in Peter's love life, and then leave again.The narrative of the comics, combined with the general trend in most adaptations is that Peter/MJ is the endgame, but most of the comics writers and virtually everyone in editorial is against it, some of them because they insist Spider-Man be stuck in the status quo of being "young and single with girl trouble" and dating a string of randos who never end up mattering, and some who are just screaming about how it should've been Gwen, not MJ.
>>151624953It wasn't interesting either.
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>>151623998>They’d never do it and so few writers seem to even want to write them as married again.You mean so few writers that editorial approvesThink about how most of the writers on ASM since have been older people that go along with the OMD/BND nonsense because that's what editorial wantsIt's part of why ASM has been stagnant now
Krakoa is a very creative work. It spawned Sins of Sinister that looks a thousand years in the future at a wild and diabolical series of double crosses which takes the X-Men into the interstellar era. Why must everything remain X-Men '92?
>>151603419They've never been a tpb company
>>151630762Brevoort isn't even doing X-Men 92, it's the Schism-era.
>>151630762>Krakoa is a very creative worklollmao even
>>151619793Hold on a second. Aren't negroes like 13% of the population. Yes. Black women probably won't be interested in no mutt nigger kid with a white blonde love romance but their 10 kids from 20 different daddies might. With that said, Cut the black population to 10% if we're being generous. How exactly is such a minority supposed to compete with the white and Latino population combined being the majority movie audience?
They didn't invent Superfiends in the 70s and so they don't own the smelly old neckbeards
>>151631060There are a lot of out there changes and concepts like the resurrection ability, like Moira MacTaggart's lives, and the struggle of governing a nation of mutants. Whether one likes them or not is of course subjective.
>>151631705>out there changes and concepts like the resurrection ability>out there concepts>resurrections in capeshit
>>151631749The rules and nature of it with the mind backups, the danger of potentially bringing back a different version of the character when attempted with no back up to allow soft reboots of characters, and the 5 being necessary is unique.
>>151619793Think about it, despite ANAD's disastrous results Feige was willing to push forward Ironheart and stuffThat leads me to believe that ANAD was Marvel Comics responding to requests coming from Disney and/or Marvel Studios and that makes sense once you realize that they were getting concerned about paying actors higher salaries but also didn't want to recast and trying to ride the diversity wave
>>151630762You can't be serious.
>>151619793Wouldn't be surprised if it was an order/suggestion from somebody working on MCU or at least the marvel higher ups realized it on their own and made it a mandate to make tons of legacy characters. They knew RDJ, the Chrises, etc would eventually move onto other projects, but they also knew it would be hard to push other non-X-Men characters to replace them and be popular. Making legacy characters was the easiest options.DC did something similar where Didio and Lee rushed out new 52 in like 6 months (Morrison, one of their biggest writers, was told in April & all the #1s came out in SEPTEMBER) to raise sales in order to save their jobs. They and Johns likely sold it to execs by promising to streamline everything to make it more palpable to execs/movie goers.>dumped all but two generations (Bruce's and Tim's)>putting one of their most popular villains on their villain team (Harley on SS)>trying to push some obscure stuff (Amethyst, Blackhawks, etc)>putting all their magic characters into a corporate as fuck named book (Justice League Dark)>Wonder Woman going from no man being involved in her origin (misandry) to just being a Zeus bastard
>>151603419I mainly just wanna know why Absolute did so much better than Ultimate did
>>151634638Unfortunately that's how marveldrones are.
>>151636364Absolute has hype moments and aura alongside a decent story showcasing how they're still the heroes you know even when tested by having what made them powerful removedUltimate has Tony make bluesky
>>151636364>did so much better than Ultimate didno real time gimmick, not having Hickman in charge of it
>>151604217What's the current 'hot' Image comic book? Surely they are not just riding off Spawn and Invincible spinoffs, are they?
>>151609735>>151612768Not so odd when you realize that Asamiya is a friend of Cebulski and was an artist during Austen's X-MenHe even got a dedicated page in Marvel Comics #1000 for that
>>151618470Would ennis be willing to write a character that is not Punisher or Nick Fury Sr nowadays?Because, idk, i feel he would be oddly fitting for Venom, given his enjoyment for violence and black comedy.
>>151614160>its not all perfect but it's a great time to return to comics againTRUE. Marvel might be in the worst position out of all the bug publishers. But DC, Image, Dark Horse, even Dynamite and IDW have a good handfull of books.I'm a far leftist but detest corporate "woke" pandering. There's enough comics for my inner child and it's pretty easy to avoid "queer shit"
>>151636832Ennis>>151629616
>>151614160>Krakoa is deadX-Books post-Krakoa have been constantly flopping>90s Rogue and Psylocke are backYou mean in the form of nostalgiabait minis that immediately bomb after Issue #1
>>151636448>aura dumb zoomiespeak
>>151629168Moon Knight has been quite good for quite a while now.I really like how his white suit just glows, that's fantastic. I never get tired of it.
>>151636364I think it's more different, which helps it.There's an excitement in having these famous characters but they could be different in just about any way
>>151637830its a distilled memetic vernacular used to explain the atmosphere created around a character in extreme moments and perfectly encapsulates its prominence in a simple colloquial phrase
>>151638224In English?
>>151603419That one anon that kept talking about DC trade sales must be very happy.
>>151638171It being different isn't really much of a factorLike the central core of 2020s Ultimate is that the Maker reshaped the world and has his own illuminati made up of some villains and corrupted heroes and the most popular book of the line is Ultimate Spider-Man which has Peter becoming Spider-Man as an adult but is married to Mary Jane and has kidsUltimate X-Men is way more different from regular X-Men
>>151603951>Kamala sold comics>Krakoa was a good sagaKEK LMAO
>>151604967At this point collectors just get the main Spidey comics out of obligation.
>>151625067It's only edgy in setting. The line is still highly idealistic.
>>151609735>>151609760>>151609777>>151609794The show had a kino OST, I personally like "You Paint The Sky" the best out of all it's songs
>>151609794I liked this guy's "Steam Detectives" series, more anime/manga series could use a bunch of recurring villains instead of just spamming a single bad guy each arc, also the fact that the main villain is basically just Batman is funny
>>151636791not a great point when you realize that same book skipped over shit like the introduction of the X-Men in the first place while giving full-page spreads to a literally who Native American hero (Red Wolf— not even the first one Marvel made) for… being native?
>>151603951Anon, Marvel will die defending the Brevoort and Quesada manifesto, and shilling fucking MCU.Also Krakoa Tanked the X-men line and only sold because retards aka NORMALFAGS were at home scared of a shitty flu.
>>151610025Interesting that the period you mentioned is nothing else but Dan DiDio's reign of terror, aka DC at its lowest with Geoff Johns trying to save the damn ship, which he did at great sacrifice.
>>151623646Said progs were wasting tons of USAID Money to do this shit.Again the reason of why Obama won was because Seven of Nine spoke of her husband's shenanigans.
>>151640184>Kamala sold comicsshe did before becoming a mutant
>>151641349Yeah, Didio sucked and had no good long-term solutions, but they've been underwater for a long time.
>>151641855She fucking didn't. Wtf are you talking about? You think making her a mutant to tie her to a popular line was just some random idea they thought for shits and giggles?
>>151642225>You think making her a mutant to tie her to a popular line was just some random idea they thought for shits and giggles?considering this is marvel, yes
>>151642225>>151642494It's Marvel having a mentality of "mutants sell, X-Men sells" even when they've got years of evidence that only the top-tier X-books still sell that well, and marketing a character as a mutant has never done anything to help their sales, just ask Namor or Cloak & Dagger.
>>151642225She did. For about almost a year, and then Marvel decided to force her onto the Avengers and make increasingly stupider decisions that made her popularity fall off drastically
>>151642494>>151642640It was just MCU synergy since the tv series didn't want to bring up Inhumans after that tv show flopped.
god knows what to do but he wont tell us
I don't think Marvel can really fix itself without some sort of factory reset. They've developed a knack for causing nigh irreversible damage to some of their most popular lines and it's caused many to bail out. I did it years ago.
>>151643324>I don't think Marvel can really fix itself without some sort of factory reset.>and some sort of comics industry version of the Nuremberg Trials for crimes against waifus
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>>151643324Factory reset wouldn't mean much because the people who caused the problems are still there, unless you mean factory reset as in getting rid of some of the people still there since the 00s making bad decisions
>>151603419>>151604967I'm just happy GI Joe is selling, even if it's only thanks to Transformers.
>>151643984That's more or less what I'm getting at, yeah. A story reset along with a complete changing of the guard. To be honest though, I don't have a clue who they could bring in. I've kept away from it for so long that I don't know or trust any current writers well enough to make a judgement.
>>151636907Even for some non-Big 2 comic, without good planning and management, they will end up on the same path as Big 2.
womp womp
i dont believe i remember any of these
>>151636763Walking Dead compendiums.
>>151603951>Krakoa was the most interesting X-Men had been since early 2000's>ewingWell you just collapsed every good argument you had
>>151636832I could see him writing Black Widow or Silver Sable if they gave him the opportunity. Venom would be fun.
>>151614160Psylocke is back? Last I heard they were making a mess with her and Kwannon.
>>151645360At least in a nostalgia mini.
>>151614160Miles is still alive.
>>151603732I thought dc was just as woke as marvel when it comes to comics and deserves to go bankrupt just as much. Did something change?
>>151631040>SchismFunny how it was the point that made X-Men fucking unreadable. Another point for brevoort and jason aaron!
>>151614295>>151614308>>151614351Cope also spidey is cooler. Dante is only carried by incel anime brainrot and ripping of cheesy action movies
>>151606644Bingo
>>151620014Jesus, no Spider-Man or classic X-Men stuff (Dark Phoenix), wtf is Marvel thinking with those selections.
>>151620137>What went so right with Absolute that Marvel failed with the new Ultimate?They announced it's ending and aren't committed to it long-term, while DC is continuing to support Absolute. I was interested in picking up the new Ultimate Spider-Man trades (and picked up volume 1), but now that they've already said it's ending, I'm not even bothering.
>>151646322Marvel usually has Spider-Man and X-Men trades at any given time, so no desire to double-dib maybe.
bump
>>151638150Yeah I don't often put much thought into the colourists' job but the glow-in-the-dark effect he's had in this current run looks badass
I refuse to buy a marvel comic until Carol Danvers dies, I made that vow 10 years ago after CW2 and I haven't regretted it since.
>>151646322Well this year's Marvel Premier books were:>Coates and Stelfreeze's Black Panther>Winter Soldier arc from Brubaker and Epting's Cap>Frank Miller's Daredevil Born Again>Hickman's Fantastic Four>Civil War>Old Man Logan>Fraction and Aja's HawkeyeWinter Soldier, Born Again, and F4 were probably them anticipating that people would pick these up after seeing Thunderbolts and Disney+ Daredevil and Fantastic Four 2025Civil War, Old Man Logan, and Fraction/Aja Hawkeye were consistent high sellers for them back in the 2010s and Coates' Black Panther sold well for them in TPB form around the late 2010s
Marvel WON! DC LOST!!
>>151646068spidey-selfinserter calling anyone an incel is hilarious.
