>Turns Transformers into diet Steven Universe with horrible mech designs. >Fanbase that consists only of terminally online xitter users act surprised when people hate it, and flops for being total boy-repellant on a mid streaming service. What were they thinking? Im fucking glad this shit is done but are we ever going to get a decent TF show again? The last genuinely good cartoon was animated and that was all the way back during the infancy of bayformers.
Cyberworld is already airing.
>>151608343>are we ever going to get a decent TF show againNo. Bay destroyed this franchise beyond repair. Literally nothing good has come from it since 2007 and nothing ever will.>b-b-but transformers one!That movie is troonslop for woke millennial spinsters, just like Earthspark.
>>151608343You're out of the loop pal, Xitter hates it too.
>>151608414^This. >>151608470also this. nobody is happy with how it turned out.
>>151608343Most of X dot com did not actually like Earthspark. Even people who liked S1 are extremely sour on it by now. Genuinely what the fuck even happened. I liked a few of the concepts and themes in TFES but most of it was soooooo boringgggg. Or cringe. Very cringe. Toddler show so I didn't expect much, I thought it was fine for what it was. And it still disappointed me. It just kept degrading. I was willing to accept it up to season 3 but the new specials felt personally insulting. They should have pulled the plug when S1 flopped.I hope the terrans appear in more stuff even if they just become normal cybertronians thoughever. B-Negative briefly appeared in another comic even after the new warriors thing. It can't be over... (copium)>are we ever getting a decent TF show againThough it is not for me, Skybound TF is "good" and allegedly getting animated. Sometime. But I don't think we're getting any good stuff outside of toys in a while. TFONE was great and yet it flopped. It converted a few of my friends, at least.
Cyberworld is better than expected.
>>151608343Cyberworld is alright. Nothing special but serviceable. And there is also skybound to look forward too.
>>151608467>That movie is troonslop for woke millennial spinsters,Nice buzzwords
>>151608343>inferior to literally every other transformers series to ever exist>has literally nothing going for it>still insists on having "ERM ACTUALLY THEIR PRONOUNS ARE.." like that will make anyone like the series at all.
>>151608467>Bay destroyed this franchise beyond repair.My ass, nerd. He revitalized it. The issue was all these white bitches and their white knight dorks pushing for more gay shit. You want Transformers to be cool again? Make it unabashedly heterosexual. You want boys to tune in? Make an anime.
>>151611299>has literally nothing going for itI dunno, season one was actually trying to be different, what with the ex-Cons and everything.Its obvious the new staff with S2 fucked it all up.
I love Alan Tudyk but he's an odd choice for Prime
>Last 3 minutes of the finale specials>Welp, Megatron lost his memory and is bad again.>Welp, guess I lost my brother twice goes Optimus.>Welp, we can go fix him.>Welp, guess the dumb kids are coming too.>Kids get the front and center final shot.>Welp, end.Earthspark is a bad show.
>>151608467>That movie is troonslop for woke millennial spinstersWell isn’t that cute?BUT IT’S WRONG!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDbZoPB3rMU
>>151611848We had that before Bay fagged up the franchise with goofy actors eating up robot screen time.
>>151612389GOTTEM
I thought the first season was okay. It had some interesting ideas and the animation was pretty good. What held it back for me was the dumbed down dialogue that over explained everything. Hearing that season 2 got rid of those ideas and had worse animation made me skip the rest.
>>151608467>>151611848Transformers fujos have been there for a loooong time, making it more hecking masculine and heterosexual won't stop them.
>>151615133I hope whoever is responsible for this dies prematurely.
>>151608467How is transformers one woke? There are zero humans in that movie
>>151615325For what?
>>151608414>>151609146>>151609251Cyberworld has all the same problems Earthspark had>generic story >cringe humor>bad animation>modern lingo>blatant toy shillingThe last minutes of the Earthspark finale being abysmal dogshit doesn’t change that, for the most part, both shows are around the same quality.
>>151615325Who in the board room approved rodimus prime's birthing hips?
>>151616579Hmm, looks like Sakamoto's work.
>>151616579Nobody was in the boardroom cause there was no boardroomArtist and writers were faggotsFurman shouldve written that female cybertronians worked as nurses and in manufacture instead of making tranny arceeRetard opened the floodgatesDont get me started on kikescream redemption arc or what they did to my glorious tyrant megsGay as fuck
>>151615577Cyberworld costs 1/10th of earthspark and is for 8 year olds to sell toys for 8 year oldsAltho I gotta admit,snarl being biggest weeb possible cracks me upUnironic I studied the blade in one episode
>>151616840I like Russian Grimlock. And Chop Shop.
nightshade is poisonous.you could sayEarthspark was killed by nightshade.Consider the series without the pronoun scene and how fan perception and feedback would have stayed high even with the hellishly deep lows it has after S1.
>>151612665Cybertron had good designs but no one cared about it because the stakes were laughably low compared to Energon, every threat outside of Megatron was so nebulous. Cybertron having no clear overarching Bad is as big a fuck up as Transtech detaching itself from Beast Wars and Beast Machines despite bringing over its characters
>>151617581I read Aligned novels before I watched Cybertron and I wish Megatron earnestly tried to rule with Velocity. Unfortunately, he was written for an anime.Conquer Velocitron, convert any and all Neutral bots/Autobots on the planet, have a new army.
>>151617643The lack of variety in the toys didn't help. Goldion Hammer references can't replace actual combinersVelocitron would have been easy set-up for introducing UT versions of the Stunticons and Menasor
>>151608343We're getting a Skybound adaptation, aren't we?
>>151617743Presumably.
So now that Earthspark has floppedWhat is the absolute worst thing Bay or whoever's going to do Energon's cartoon could do?IDW shit is obviously off the table. No one in pic related is getting a job there anymore (i hope)
>>151617865Erase Energon 04 in algorithms oh wait it's already doing that
>>151617888The official channel hasn't posted a single Earthspark video in a long time, not even to promote the finale.It's all Prime and Animated reuploads.I haven't seen something this openly disregarded by the company since Hi-Fi Rush was shadowdropped with a single ad and dropped by Microsoft.Though given the adult show, it might get its own channel, or promoted by Paramount/whatever it's being hosted on.
>>151618028They should just do another season of Animated. All the VAs are still alive, I think. We know there's a plot for a fourth season sitting in mothballs, hell even a fifth season. It would bring in the nostalgiabucks from Millennials and Zoomers.
>>151615577>blatant toy shillingIn Transformers? Say it isn't so!
>>151618144>All the VAs are still alivebut the lead writer isn't.Also Swinde's va is dead. A shame because he was actually the best version of him, though I do like IDW's
>>151618200I think their problem is that the shilling comes at the cost of a good series. They want Prime 2.0, or given the length, Cyberverse 3.0Take Energon/Cybertron for example.It was all about the toys and completely killed off the story Armada had. I like Cyberworld a lot. I like the plastic feel to the textures, and I like that the show isn't trying to be something it's not, deep. It has its serious moments but the show was made from the ground up to be silly and a toy ad. ES couldn't decide what it wanted to be between Mae Cat's open gay agenda (their words) and hasbro's corporat one
>>151618144>>151618205The stakes were lower than 3, was clear it was written to sell toys first, create an engaging story second. Only good thing to come of it was Megatron getting a redesign that referenced Beast Machines. Animated also started the trend of Megawank and erasure of Galvatron
>>151618288>Animated also started the trend of Megawank and erasure of Galvatronpretty sure that was hasbro who wanted Megatron as the villain, forever, from fan blind investors.That said, Galvatron came back in the Netflix series and is in Cyberworld. He's narratively just a hard sell and design wise appeals to toy onlies.
>>151618329>He's narratively just a hard sellYou're an investor, equating watching the 1986 movie to a form of psychological torture
>>151615133I hope whoever is responsible for this has a long and fulfilling life
>>151618371I wish. I'd be able to afford flame toys rodimusAs reformatted Megatron, and if you're cloning G1's version, you introduce a character who's supposed to be the same character that acts nothing like the one they came from. Armada did it well by making it Megatron's choice and his view of Optimus does not change nor does his personality.Netflix tried to copy G1 and it made no sense but the whole series was sloppily written. Which leaves Cyberworld. I think Galvatron as someone separate works a hell of a lot better than making it the same guy. Because the change in G1 was a new toy for shelves, not paying homage to anything like Megs' original body
>>151618459he drew Rodimus in a bunny suit in 2023.Japanese staff are mega perverts and if trigger ever got a chance to animate it'd just be that one panty and stocking episode.
>>151618288Galvatron is stupid and only works in conjunction with Unicron. If you're not gonna do Unicron just keep Megatron Megatron.
>>151618546effectively this. I was not able to word it so simply.As much shit RotB gets, and deserved, I like Scourge being Unicron's general and herald. You get to keep all of the interesting aspects of Unicron without sacrificing a character.
Hopefully this'll teach Hasbro and anyone else making a TF cartoon that basing a show on IDW's post-war comics is a bad idea and they'll never attempt it again.
>>151618607ES came out in what, 2021/2? Close enough to IDW2 to be relevant and Cyberverse was still fresh. IDW in general was relevant enough to still be of use as a base.Now it's obvious anything associated with IDW is a speedrun to a financial loss and upset parents.
Was the series so bad not even /co/ gives a shit? The board that nonstop posts about Hazbin and Smiling Friends?It seems quite odd that a long running franchise gets nothing but ded threads and a currently finished gets even less than that.Being a tumblr show for gays isn't a reason either, Steven Universe, She ra and Voltron did just fine topic wise
>>151619474>Being a tumblr show for gays isn't a reason eitherEven the gays stopped liking it after the change in writers in the second season. There's not much to engage with anymore, not even for outrage farming, it's a show that appeals to nobody.It's pretty telling that the fourth "season" was met with a collective shrug.
>>151619614>it's a show that appeals to nobody.as much as I hate to see a 14 year old's opinion, its main defenders appear to be 12-17 year old kids. Which, I suppose it is doing its job to appeal to children. But they're not buying the toys which means the whole show is useless.It tried to appeal to everyone in the most clumsy way imaginable. G1 references/adjacent designs, IDW writing, Armada's tone and the one thing it did right (animation) it somehow did wrong with the human designs. No one was appealing.Who wants to fuck Dot? You've got Alex who's the best character but is too emasculated to be relatable. Shloder who's nowhere close to Fowler or Fanzone. His ugly karen sister. Mandroid who's not even allowed to be somewhat interesting. And side characters who appeal to people that draw Japanese characters Jewish and brown.It's a bit upsetting how easily the show could have had success if mae cat was simply not there. Because insecure gender obsessed liberals hate attractive characters. It's a bizarre phenomenon as anything they make goes out of its way to make everyone as unapealing to wider audiences as possible, and they always flop (unless it's normal gays making it.)
>>151618288Megatron was always cooler than Galvatron. I could not ever take Galvatron seriously after the 86 movie.
>>151620100>new voice (at least in the movie itself.)>new design with none of his original colors>new crew with none of their original colors>insane>doesn't have half the tact Megatron carriesThey swapped metal for plastic and told you they were the same block of material
>>151615325not the worst thing in IDW by a long shot.
>>151612357>Earthspark is a bad show.
>>151620797I don't know what I genuinely hated moreShockwave trolling history and not attempting to change itCyclonus and Tailgatecripple bumblebeethe ending with all the forced crossovers and cybertron being eaten.And a special fuck you to Ultra Magnus not actually being, Ultra Magnus>>151620826>mental healththey belong in a compound not a writers room
>>151616809>Furman shouldve written that female cybertronians worked as nurses and in manufacture instead of making tranny arceeThis wouldve prevented at least some of IDW's shit. Dammit furman...
>>151617581I cared about it.
>>151620880This and the few female soldiers were treated as just weaker bots who had specific skills and couldn't fight as well as the male botsAlso gendered terminology can be kept out as long as heteronormativity is enforced and them have sexuality is removed. He and She can be something they noticably pick up from humanity
transformers is a toy commercial, a serious take on the franchise would be like that one episode from season 3 when springer, rodimus, arcee and Magnus get ejected from their bodies for Android shells even Prime missed this chance with bike arcee and made her fuck huge instead of a smaller human height with the ability to disguise herself as human
>>151608467TF Prime and Bumblebee were decent.
>>151621267the Raph gets poisoned episode is retarded >AAAAH RAPH GOT DARK ENERGON POISONING BECAUSE HE WENT OUT DURING A HURRICAN WITH BUMBLEBEE AND WAS ATTACKED
>>151621216A serious take is almost every-other series and comic after G1And it's working out well in its favor until hasbro interferes. Every TF show has jokes but it started as early as the Marvel Comics.
>>151612357If they need a big bad Decepticon, why not use Jhiaxus or even Tarn?
>>151621507Cyberverse Tarn got shoved in a single long episode and was the best part of the entire show.I wasn't sold on him at first with the changed backstory but he really did embody a decepticon and I hope if he comes back, they include the DJD. Nickel turning out to be good was a waste. Prime Knock Out and Pharma were the last evil medics.
>>151621364edgy isn't serious >>151621536tarn is a retarded character
>we have a fantastic Skybound universe that's everything people here want from Transformers>zero discussion>all everyone wants to do it cry, whine, piss, shit and moan about IDW which has been dead for over 5 years, had less than 5K readers per issue and literally nobody even remembers anymoreAt this point you faggots just want to be unhappy.
>>151621793Anon I liked IDW. When it was written by anyone but JRO and had Milne as the lead artist plus windbladeI just specifically hate JRO and the ending. Tarn was the one thing he did right and even then he fumbled because of the rush and soon to be end of the run for its reboot.IDW's piss poor sales, Earthspark outrage, and by extension Cyberverse, killed a lot of interest that could have been gained between 2018 to 2024. One flopping and Hasbro still refusing to advertises anything isn't going to magically get people interested.Who wants to give Skybound the time of day when beforehand they've gotten nothing but literal slop for years.
>>151621793Skybound is very good and better than anything new besides TF One, but it’s also melodramatic as fuck bordering on linkin park level edginess at times. It’s not perfect either, and the current change in management can make it better or worse.
>>151615577WrongCyberworld is infinitely more entertaining and better written than that hot dogshit of a show
>>151621818>killed a lot of interest that could have been gained between 2018 to 2024.Hasbro has not made any genuine attempts to keep the franchise relevant for years.>cartoons are just cheap CGI with bottom of the barrel writers, like they're on some kind of race to the bottom with pre-school shows like Paw Patrol.>the toys meant to tie into those shows are also cheap looking trash that look more like knock offs than official products. Only G1 toys get any budget.>Video games have been nothing but mobile slop for years. Their last big attempt was handed over to a no-name studio that promptly collapsed and cancelled the whole thing.Hasbro depended on the bayverse to print money for so long that when that well dried up they had no idea what to do anymore. Transformers is still one of Hasbro's headlining franchises but God forbid they invest any real money into it.
>>151620826i don't buy the mental health thing, cause like they clearly wanted a cheaper studio, why change studios, animators would still like to work even if they are overworked.
>>151621536I like the idea of Tarn being the leader/monarch of Destron.
>>151623712Doesn't help the fanbase is starved for an actual good video game too since we've been getting nothing but garbage shovelware after devastation as well as reactivate going through development hell only to get canned right after. So much for shifting the focus on video games hasbro.
No one has actually seen this show, and it's going to stay that way.
>>151608343No one likes this but the people who made it. Not even Hasbro seems to like this.
>>151623712>>151623900Chris Cocks was a mistake, i pray he's ousted as CEO soon.
>>151618466I like the Bayverse interpretation oddly. It's not a straight reformatting. It's a standalone spiritual successor unit who becomes a true "upgrade" via Megatron's data still being self-aware and taking the body over
>>151623895Destron should be used as the name for Unicron's planet mode
>>151615577>>151616840Cyberworld has charm however.
>>151617482No. Most of the fandom wasn't on board even before that. The amount of twitter post and TF boards doing the "give it a chance" before it even got aired showed the charged language would have changed nothing. If anything it has ruin any nuance in pointing out how garbage the show was by simply claiming the 5 minutes of pronoun shit a few episodes in somehow made everyone not even watch it from the start.
>>151623929i think its Frank Welker's best outting as Galvatron as well. also loved Ryuzaburo Otomo's take in the japanese dub, he sounds absolutely demonic
>>151623929Bayverse in general has a good world. Despite the novels getting retconned, the comics add enough context to where they could have kept going.I also like Bay Galvatron because the redesign was a human error. Not only that, his lack of sanity is both like G1 while still being clearly him. Too bad they never made comics after 3. Because Earth with no Optimus while the bots get settled is a lot better than jumping to Hound, Drift and Crosshairs just being thereNot sure why they gave OP a bust bigger than Pamela Anderson's and a tiny waist but I think the redesign could have won people over if he had Knight Meg's porportions.
>>151623982I have seen comments from high end pozzed people that don't mind the pronoun shit agreeing that the series is trash. It's a Velma scenario where the show succeeded at pleasing no one.
>>151623982Improvements that the loudest fans will not say and will get your post blacklisted anywhere else.Make the human attractive. And I don't even really mean fuckable, just not ugly.Francine was the first black transformer kid and she looked rather cute. The entire Rescue Bot human cast ranged from charming to average. The show runners at ES designed like they wanted a cast of ugly people. But ugly people don't sell. Even Ha Ha, You Clown's intentionally ugly art style has a charm that's marketable thanks to the series' humor. It's not dumblr ugly.And the worst writing can be forgiven if the characters themselves are marketable (hazbin.)Include all of the bots, including Elita. Wheeljack was kind of there and gone despite being 'dad two.' They wanted OP to have 'romantic entanglements' with Elita and did nothing with it. straight romance slop will always sell. Even if it's poorly written, it will always sell.Change all the genderbent characters back. Cull the Terrans to Twitch, Thrash and Jawbreaker as the punching bag. You can have every Hashtag and Nightshade episode with those three because they're effectively the same character anyways. Give HT's tech smarts to Twitch, Nightshade's science smarts to Jawbreaker as a Bulkhead callback, and Thrash can be Robbie's clone.There, show's not stellar but it would have done better.
>>151608467>That movie is troonslop for woke millennial spinsters, just like Earthspark.Why do you talk as if you watched anything?You just want things to be mad at cuz you don't have anything else in your life
>>151623712This is why I insist Bayformers was ultimately worse for the franchise even if it did help grow it. It was like when a steady restaurant or business attempts to expand franchises only to be unable to meet that level consistently.The franchise wasn't as big but it wasn't as it would be later--but not at risk of dying. Aaron Archer said it best that it was like building up a house. A small house can take more risks and changes, but a big house starts needing consistency and maintenance. When Optimus and Bumblebee became big movie marquee names globally, Hasbro stopped wanting to take risks on making Optimus diverge from the movie ideal or not having Bumblebee. In the 2000's they could take risks they didn't want them to take anymore by the 2000s.
>>151624255when you make a whole first season that the evil racist humans are treating the Decepticons like shit and incarcerating them only to then go ok yeah GHOST is gone, we can do whatever we want again. but it did genuinely get worse from there, Starscreamfags really ate up the woobiefication but then to go back on that and have Starscream still cry and play victim, i mean its classic Starscream shit. Starscream got what he deserved. but its absolutely insane though how the series ended with Megatron Megatron dies only to be resurrected but now has no memories of his time as a good guy so he's a bad guy again and everyone's like, come on lets go save Megatron as if they were gonna sequel bait for it.
>>151624423Don't reply to bait posts.Besides, if you go to a TFcon ever, there are actually A LOT of gendies. You'd think it was a Thai sex change lobby for all the bearded women and I am 83% positive I saw Chris-chan at one
>>151624447>Animated never again because of BayThe best version of a lot of characters gone forever because of Bay and Prime.Cyberworld is the closest we've got to an actual split with redesigns, Optimus getting a new, young voice that isn't trying to impersonate cullen at all, and humor that doesn't border on worship.Optimus reminds me of Elsa. Disney is strict with her image and basically will only allow anyone using her to treat her as a cardboard cut out. They'd make it so she doesn't even talk or move from a single spot if they could and that's what Optimus has been going through. G1 design only. Deep commander voice only. Fatherly presence only. Until now
>>151624371>The entire Rescue Bot human cast ranged from charming to average. The show runners at ES designed like they wanted a cast of ugly people. here's the kicker. Rescue Bots and Earthspark's first season had the same show runner in Nicole Dubuc. the art style of the show really did not translate into the CG animation, like when Nick Roche's designs are drawn in 2D they look rather nice but it absolutely does not translate into 3D at all. >Include all of the bots, including Elita. Wheeljack was kind of there and gone despite being 'dad two.' They wanted OP to have 'romantic entanglements' with Elita and did nothing with it. straight romance slop will always sell. Even if it's poorly written, it will always sell.it's super funny for how badly written Earthspark is for the most part, Optimus and Elita actually having a healthy working relationship is genuinely one of the best parts and its still undercooked. the MegOp shippers are nuts and very much ignore its canon this Optimus has feelings for Elita.
>>151623943If you do that, you remove the "Unicron eats decepticon home world and enslaves it's inhabitants" plotline. A reformat of a few of the cooler deceptcons into Unicron thrall's or unicron spawn would open the door for more toy options and combine to take on the ultimate badguy ending.
>>151624371>Change all the genderbent characters back. Cull the Terrans to Twitch, Thrash and Jawbreaker as the punching bag. You can have every Hashtag and Nightshade episode with those three because they're effectively the same character anyways. Give HT's tech smarts to Twitch, Nightshade's science smarts to Jawbreaker as a Bulkhead callback, and Thrash can be Robbie's clone.oh my god, absolutely this. the moment we ended up with 5 Terrans within 10 episodes of the first season, it really began to limit all the possibilities because as a team they lack a good cohesion. Hashtag is honestly grating IMO and Nightshade became a PR disaster, Jawbreaker i genuinely like even if he's retarded, we need more retard good guys. i think he's got a better shot of being reused again cause he can just be a Dinobot. I think Thrash should've leaned harder in the bad boy persona, like actually have him go rogue and join the Decepticons, basically be the Sasuke of the show but better. He had a really cool black and red colour scheme in the concept phase that screams bad boy. he shouldn't have ended up as LOK's Mako, the cool bad boy that devolved into a wet blanket. >Change all the genderbent characters back.I honestly have to disagree, female Skywarp and Frenzy were honestly aight. its just that they didn't really do anything too worthwhile with them outside of that seeker fight in season 1 or Frenzy and Laserbeak's peanut gallery dynamic like they're Statler and Woldorf, the show needed more that.
>>151624548>they look rather nice but it absolutely does not translate into 3D at all.I saw the comic art and Mo especially is very cute in 2D. But it was the model team's fault for giving them freakishly large eyes. Scaling the eyes down, and adding darker lines around them like eye liner would have improved everyone. picrelated still looks like a freak but the eyes alone are an improvement to be more girlish as well as appealingAs for shippers, the staff of these shows are also shippers anon. Watch any panel from a convention, or talk to them in person. They ship them.
>>151624533First of all. Elsa is shit and no one fucks with selfish dyke who fucks her sister while her citizens freeze to death. Secondly, why in the FUCK would you change what works? Optimous prime is iconic and works and sells.You don't change the recipe because some cocksucker ate too much and wants to eat something different. I think I'm tired of your award winning formula that's made you billionaires. Please change the taste so that I can continue to eat it. Do you understand why that's fucking stupid.That's why you bring in OTHER CHARACTERS.Other characters who don't have working formula iconography that new generations of children and adults who grew up with it will both like. If you want different fucking read the oft fuck awful comics or some losers fanfic...which is often the comics. Let's put batman in a fucking dog costume and call him mr.woofins. It's still batman we just changed things up for a new audience.
>>151624672>I saw the comic art and Mo especially is very cute in 2D. But it was the model team's fault for giving them freakishly large eyes. Scaling the eyes down, and adding darker lines around them like eye liner would have improved everyone.then her aged up design in the later seasons, just looked even more off like her head shape was obsfucated by her afro and removing it made it more obvious how weirdly her head is designed.
>>151624585I agree with you about Skywarp and Frenzy, however, it's more of a PR move and doing what TF did best, appealing to boys. These shows don't actually need a lot of female characters. Elita and Arcee are there. I can't think of a genderbend that was a real improvement besides TFA Red Alert.
>>151624720I need a red alert bitchy team mom who is one part nurse ratchet one part the mom from malcolm in the middle. And please don't make her into some secret bad ass super killer ala unohana.
>>151618329>That said, Galvatron came back in the Netflix series and is in Cyberworld. He's narratively just a hard sell and design wise appeals to toy onlies.I don't get this. Galvatron's design is pretty cool. G1 Megatron's design is the one that's more dated and rarely used as close as the g1 version. Modern Megatrons keep the color and the helmet but change a lot of the design unless it's the G1 based toylines. I do agree that it's a narrative thing. He requires something drastic to happen to Megatron, and that needs to be along with something happening to Optimus,and they aren't willing to do that. >>151618466>Because the change in G1 was a new toy for shelves, not paying homage to anything like Megs' original bodyThe G1 toy definitely has aspects of the G1 Megatron toy. The crown, the cannon, and the colors being white all point to referencing Megatron.
>>151624720its funny i never really felt like Red Alert worked better female personally but then again i'm somehow who has an idea for a new female medic character for my own continuity. granted reasons why i like female Skywarp and Frenzy. with Frenzy its so you can actually make Frenzy and Rumble more distinct, Rumble can be the male one (and blue one) and Frenzy the girl and red one. and Skywarp, my plans for her is to essentially turn her into Hexadecimal from ReBoot, the scary (yet arousing) unhinged psycho.
>>151624769i think Robby is honestly about as bad of a human protagonist as Kicker was but Kicker at least on paper is interesting. Robby just feels insanely entitled and dull. the only time i ever felt bad for him was how Izzy catfished him and then the new specials put him back to being a jackass.
>>151624690but /is it working?Transformers holds up in relevance with an older crowd but do kids care?No ones saying make Optimus a lime green boat, it's more like let Optimus have a supermode or combine with others and maybe be a firetruck now and then.And the point about new characters is moot because we barely get those anyway. And ironically the comics are even less different. It's all basically G1 designs right now.
>>151624840Anon, when was the last time a basic bitch G1 optimous was done in a cartoon or show aimed at kids. I mean just legitimate optmious with now clever subversions or anything. As for new characters...you get those in nearly every single new incarnation. Or just a new personality inside of vaguely recognizable versions of old characters.
>>151624840I like how Armada and Monkey did away with some staple like blue eyes and windshield boobs.And now they are omnipresent lmao.
>>151624810Robby's problem was that he was written as the MC of an anime, but the series forced him to share with the entire cast.A lot like Kicker come to think of it.Energon and ES are top worst transformers series and share so many traits. With the best female character in the worst show (Misha and Dorothy)
>>151624918Rescue Bots gave OP his gold eyes and a Dinobot mode. Honestly, I liked the designs. The smoketacks being visible make the look come together and it being too unstable to use was something fresh. A lot like the beast mode episode in BW.
>>151624886It depends what your definition of basic G1 influence is.Some people, and I take it you're one of these, are hardline where unless it's straight up G1 with the exact design, faceplate up all the time, it's not the same. But I'd wager for most people stuff like alt-modes being about the same as G1, same hallmarks of the robot mode design, no gimmicksI'm sure you can argue otherwise but compared to the UT era, earthspark Optimus is just another permutation of G1 Optimus. so was Cyberverse, so was Prime for most of the show, besides the monowindow so is cyberworld. They share similar personalities too. Sure they might have different proportions and they show off the mouths these days, but ultimately there's less of a change than their used to be. It's like the same design in different styles.
>>151624963Reminds me, I always wanted a series of beastformers that are made of vehicle parts like Energon Scorponok. Surprised they've never really attempted that again
>>151624989nta but Cyberworld's been smart about re-using G1 because the characters all feel like fresh takes despite using similar traits.Elita's military minded while acting like Bee's sibling. Bee's as cocky as ever while being very forward with OP (hasn't been that way since Animated and all his other versions basically worship him) Grimlock is his Marvel comics self but less dumb, and actually isn't that dumb. And Mirage is so much like ROTB Mirage. ROTB may not be that old, but when was the last time an autobot was presented as actually playing both sides (paying homage to his G1 episode.)
>>151608343Other anons have said this already but everyone in this show just looks fucking awful, the humans look like they belong in a cheap ass knock-off movie made in some backwater shithole and all the robot designs are equally as hideous. Optimus looks fucking terrible like how do you fuck up the guy whose the face of the franchise and make him look like a botched plastic surgery victim?The only people i've seen defend this show before this finale happened were xitter OPMegs shippers that only cared because the show gave them slop to coom to and plebbitkeks that claimed it was "new" and "refreshing" because Megatron the genocidal tyrant was a good guy now after he met a strong black woman. Now those same retards are crying about the finale because their shitty ship got thrown into the fire.
>>151625068>Surprised they've never really attempted that again
>>151625087I mean more like for a whole line, but it is cool to see them reuse a similar theme for scorponok. I want to see stuff like Jet engine bird Starscream or a raging bull Sideswipe with a turbocharged engine.
>>151624927Dot was honestly great her and Alex, its just funny when the parents just end up being better characters than their own kids.
>>151625068>>151625087i kinda just love that Cyberworld Scorponok's design well the head and chest are the Energon one. >>151625069for being evergreen in its character selection they at least are having fun with its selections. would kill for Ironhide to get involved. and speaking of Mirage, i swear like ROTB, he carried that last special of Earthspark basically the only reason i'd wanna revisit it, he was so much fun with his Multiple Man styled ability.
>>151625166I'd like for them to re-attempt Hearts of Steel or a line like it.Other comics have different era universes like Noir, Steampunk and futuristic. TF as a whole leans towards current year vehicles even when on their own planet. Airachnid's drone form is relative to Earth drones as is OP's truck form in One. But even if it's a one off comic like the 1/2 issue series- I'd like to see them blend in to new environments.>>151625209In my ideal version of the series, it would honestly just be Dot, Alex and the kids uninvolved or babies/toddlers. That way when Karen/Mandroid come to her house to find Bee or the Terrans, there's actually a stake relatable for all viewers. You get kid friendly family shit with Thrash learning to not break things by playing with them, but also, the series can focus on the actual story without the children being in the way
>>151625243honestly that would be better. speaking of Croft, can we talk about the fact the show basically whitewashes her crimes as if she wasn't supposed to be a hate sink character, i get that like her and Schloder are family but like she was a genuine piece of shit, finding out she was also a mom later on and that everything in the finale happens because Schloder couldn't be more discreen and tell Olive her mom actually died is absolutely baffling. I know Schloder is supposed to be retarded but like goddamn. also if i had written Croft, i would've essentially made her a Amanda Waller/Harold Attinger type, a deep state agent who actually is purposefully trying to start shit again with the Decepticons, she wants Megatron as a villain again in order to perpertuate the military industrial complex, GHOST would've had their budgets slashed because supposed peace isn't good for business. that's honestly what i thought her deal was when i saw the season 1 plot synopsis list but nah she's just a crazy Transformers racist like Mandroid but with even less of a reason and yet we're supposed to feel bad because Mandroid murders her after she was using him.
>>151624455Megatron regressing was the funniest shit the entire show produced. The massive melties i've seen over it have been more entertaining then Earthspark itself, "good guy" Megatron is a shit idea and i hope i never see it again. Fuck idw for making smoothbrains think this is a good concept when it doesn't work
>>151625388to be fair the idea of Optimus and Megatron having a truce and working together started with the G2 tie in manga comics and honestly if they approached it like this where it basically looks like Star Trek but more badass, it would be awesome. I would kill for this but actually fleshed out.
>>151625344Call me paranoid but I got the same feeling about her and Shloder as She-ra did with the one human white male character. Schizo theory but. Ken?Basically, the evil het white person.She was never a threat, she was just an easy target to indeed, hate. Because why was she presented as so evil when her followers (tumblr designs) weren't nearly as heartless. Schizo theory but she felt like a target for the writers.But from a non-schizo theory, they may have been trying to re-create Silas split between her and Mandroid. And given the IDW influence, the people who ripped Sunstreaker open. The evil human military. But unlike both sects, there was nothing of substance that explained why or how they did what they did. They just did. Then tried to walk it back while forgetting to make tracks to even start from.She was a nothing character. Her bitch attitude made no sense, why she did anything was as defined as water and just as tasteless. She and dot could have bonded over being moms, maybe have her jealous of Dorothy having Alex as she doesn't wear a wedding ring or have anyone she seems to want to protect or want to protect her (besides her brother who she clearly hates, for some reason.)
>>151625388Only Chinese fujos are happy because they skip scenes and didn't even watch the show. They just timestamp moments where they're together and skip the rest.As someone who never cared about the IDW version of him, I still think it's dumb because it just happened out of nowhere. Not a thing they built up.
>>151625503Didn't Megatron try to genocide humanity and almost kill Optimus in this when some rando friend of his died because he was killed by humans who were in the middle of a war? Seemed more like Megs was still a rotten asshole and the "peace" he had with Optimus crumbled the moment something bad happened.
>>151625579the fact her name is Karen tells me they really wanted her to be a hate sink but then the fact she's still a woman overode their logic circuits so she still had to be a victim even if its her own damn fault. but what i found so crazy about Croft is her debut episode she is a background character and then her next appearance she's also sus as fuck, its like going from 0 to 180 within an episode and you're right. she clearly acts like she doesn't like her brother at all when they were onscreen together, they don't even look like they would be related, thats why it caught me off guard when its casually mentioned. the fact she turned out to have a daughter is still insane to me, she does not act like a mom and she clearly wasn't one. there's so much about Earthspark that doesn't feel fleshed out in the slightest Olive is obviously a major retcon, and it also doesn't line up with when Schloder in The Truth is Out There says he wishes to start up a family....wait so like you didn't have Olive then?
>>151625611Fujos seemed to be the only ones that talked about this show because they had bait to coom to, it's no wonder the toys sold like shit if this was the audience that was left
>>151625690I think if they want to write a good Megatron, he has to be like SG where Optimus was actually so much worse. He'll always stop when someone is worse. Like in Marvel when he teams up with Ratchet to defeat Shockwave who humiliated him. Because writing him redeemed does not work when the character is just petty and a bully.ES never tells you what he did and just assumes you know G1/IDW is why his good character arc cannot work. Because is he G1 or IDW. Or is he like IDW SG.
>>151625690wanna know the real kicker, the Earthspark series bible had this bit where Optimus and Dot were keeping a deep dark secret from Megatron and if he knew the truth he'd revert back to his old ways. i have a feeling it was meant to be the space bridge reveal of season 1 but they changed it so Optimus didn't know GHOST had one the whole time. i bet it would've turned out Optimus knew what happened to the Allspark after the battle of 07 and it was all for naught making Megatron's redemption pointless.
>>151625798Ah yes, back when they drank petrol.
>>151615133>>151616579Someone who really wanted Rodimus to be a girl but got vetoed by the fujos in the writer's room.
>>151625839that was way into midway season 2 of Roberts run, no its just Hayato Sakamoto was a guest artist for that issue and he just likes to draw his robots slutty (both male and female)
>>151624253The people mad about his post-movie G1 characterization don't understand it was done because Leonard Nimoy couldn't return
>>151625733Her being a woman really does contextualize her finale treatment vs S1.They clearly wanted to show a strong, motherly character with Dot. So, if she was a mother- then why was she nothing like her? She expressed no emotional reaction to the kids relative to how a mother sees children. Terrans or humans. Not saying all moms are nice, but she came off as bitter and alone. Unless she hated her own child at the time which still doesn't explain how she carried herself. Her own brother didn't even bring up her kid and given that he was trying to appeal to her sympathy, would have been at least #2.I could not believe she died the way she did because it was so cruel. No chance to fight back, just poisoned and painfully killed. Now she's a mother for some reason
>>151625855Makes sense I guess. The Japanese are freaky.
>>151625839You're mistaken. His (male) designer clearly wants to fuck him as a man.
>>151625611>I still think it's dumb because it just happened out of nowhere. Not a thing they built up.i think its frustrating cause like it would've been a kind of powerful ending for Megatron, that bittersweet feeling that he ended up saving Cybertron for a future generation to have a chance on their homeworld. I also think the other missed potential was not having Liege Maximo use the blades of time on Megatron sooner so Megatron is one of the bad guys again and when it turned out Liege Maximo had the allspark the whole time, it makes Megatron and the Decepticon revolt against Liege Maximo in a grand epic battle. and then you can do the death and rebirth of Megatron but instead he's now D-16 (pre corruption Megatron) given a second chance to actually do his life over again but i do acknowledge it would've been oh you've seen other Transformers and therefore know who D-16 is and why its a big deal but it would've been something more than what we got.
>>151625901exactly. she is way too sociopathic and cold to have been a mother, it would've probably been better if Olive and her mother didn't just have one fight before she died but like if there was a genuine conflict between them like how Croft's hatred poisoned her relations with her family. funnily enough if it wasn't obvious the writers leaned left and were democrats, i would've assumed Croft was a chariecture of Hillary Clinton.
>>151625798Megatron being reformed or a "good guy" really doesn't work when he's shown to be a massive selfish piece of shit that killed a lot of people. IDW Megs probably has the highest body count out of any version of himself so his redemption was garbage and only IDWkeks or that turbo hack Roberts thought it was good>>151625810Kek funny if true, the fact that after season 1 we never know what actually got Megatron to switch sides or show the awful shit did makes it worse
>>151625941I cannot imagine watching this show without One/G1/IDWBecause nothing is ever explained.Not a single episode detailing Orion, D, B-127, or any of the main G1 cast who had prominent roles. Wheeljack made a drone, but who IS he? Shockwave and Soundwave are pissed, but why? Betrayal, clearly, but why do they care so much. Why is Starscream an abuse victim? We're told Megatron hurt hum but we never see moments like him being hit for no reason or yelled at. And, since he's still scheming, we never see all the backstabbing that would make hashtag look just as much of an idiot for taking his side. Cyberverse did as much with 'starscream you idiot' and that's all the series needed.
>>151624720From a marketing standpoint making Skywarp be a girl is genius. Boys would still likely buy a girl character toy if she turns into a mostly black jet. Now if only they gave her and Nova Storm actual fucking toys that weren't just old Starscream repaints.
>>151626035>Kek funny if true, the fact that after season 1 we never know what actually got Megatron to switch sides or show the awful shit did makes it worsethe worst part is according to Dot's VA we were supposed to get an episode where it showed how Dot became Megatron's unlikely friend and why he decided to become a good guy and yet they scrapped it. it was the episode i was most anticipating.
>>151626035>when he's shownBut that's this show's problem.They didn't.Nothing was shown.The audience got told he did bad things and that was that. You infer from Shockwave and Soundwave that they were bad enough to warrant them as his followers but even still, there's no visual storytelling to show anything. Prime had relics, like the Spark Extractor/Tox-en. The show has callbacks to the relics but nothing that would make you know for sure- Megatron lead a planet-wide genocide and was worse than them both>>151626116Slipstream's right there, but yea
The ending of Legacy of Hope is definitely unredeemable trash, but it's weird that the reaction to everything else in the finale specials is "it's ok" and everyone is angry ONLY because of the last 5 minutes. There's like an hour of stuff before that.
>>151626116one thing i do hope carries over is the deco they used for Nova Storm with the black and yellow, i know its based off a FunPub/TFCC image but compared to all yellow the G1 version or is the other other other purple seeker deco they used for the Cyberverse version, the black and yellow Nova Storm honestly pops.
>>151608467Bayverse was kino, kill yourself shitty geewunner
>>151625992making her shallow and greedy would have improved her a lot without changing much.Make her vain, give her some earrings and a diamond bracelet or necklace, and suddenly her daughter never menioned makes sense. She's rich, can afford to push her child off onto someone on payroll with an ipad and not think about her. Still a bitch, but would make her lack of reaction to any children besides her own normal
>>151621267Bumblebee was fucking boring ass shit. First three bay movies were entertaining while bumblebee was a slog to sit theu
>>151626060Hasbro and the showrunners are woefully unaware of how poorly established the supposedly evergreen G1 characters are. The Baymovies are the peak of the franchise popularity, but what characterizaion for most of the characters did people get out of it? They made Bumblebee a household name but not Sideswipe or Brawl or anyone like that. I'm a 92 kid. I was barely old enough for Beast Wars. I'm now about to be 34 years old. People my age are parents now. My brother 15 years my senior is a G1 kid and he's got a kid in his 20's who's married.He's not the parent bonding with his kid over G1 references anymore.My generation barely is. And we don't know Wheeljack or Shockwave because we didn't grow up with them. Neither would the next gen of Armada kids, really. And the kids who are meant to be watchign these shows aren't getting introduced to these characters.Hasbro desperately wants these characters to be icons but never put an effort into most of them besides making a lot of toys of them and having forgettable appearances in later shows.Sideswipe is like the posterboy for this(although he did have a prominent showing in RiD2015 at least), he's hard carried by being there in year one.
>>151626171The problem with Slipstream is that while she is also a girl jet, her colour scheme is a harder sell to boys. If you put girl skywarp and slipstream next to each other and ask a little boy which one he'd want (which hasbro probably has done via market research), they are more likely to pick girl Skywarp.
>>151626060>>151626171yeah, they did such a piss poor job of actually lore dumping for this universe and just expected you knew why the characters are the way they are. like why didn't any of the other Decepticons decide to follow Megatron in his path to redemption, let alone why he realized he had to change himself. the show teases the idea that maybe some of the Decepticons might join like Nova Storm, Hardtop and Breakdown earlier on before the finale and did nothing with it. another issue is where the fuck is everyone, several characters get name dropped but they're nowhere to be scene. what are we even doing with this show. i feel like by season 2 despite the reworking of the production staff, i think everyone realized the show was a dud and just mentally checked out.
>>151626192All anyone talks about is Hot Rod's voice and if that's the one takeaway then the specials really had nothing going on worth talking about.Also you can tell who hasn't seen UT. and by extension G1 S3 because his voice was also very deep even though not as deep
>>151626208Seethe
>>151626303oh no i immediately realized Hot Rod was basically meant to be Energon Rodimus but with a more G1/MTMTE look, especially with his role as a unwilling antagonist. especially cause Energon Rodimus was my first ever Transformers toy.
Never seen the shows, the robot modes looks like shit. How does the vehicle modes fare?
>>151626297>the show teases the idea that maybe some of the Decepticons might join like Nova Storm, Hardtop and Breakdown earlier on before the finale and did nothing with it. >another issue is where the fuck is everyone, several characters get name dropped but they're nowhere to be scene.They were originally planned to show bots living in their own communities away from society but that was obviously dropped.TC and Breakdown both share status as defector and almost-defector but even in IDW some cons just stopped caring. Like Deathsaurus' entire ship. For how much ot wanted to shove into the series they took the hardest sell. Mostly because they had five terrans and a bad quint plot and two humans to focus on. Thus appealing to everyone but no one at the same time
>>151626354honestly there's some cool ones like Bumblebee's GT40 alt mode or Breakdown's Firebird Trans Am.
>>151626395i am mad we never got Thundercracker cause like he's the one guy who would've been like Megatron's right, we should become good guys and he probably would've been working in show business like his IDW self. you know the one character you actually want more like his IDW self. damn i wish we got to see more of this and you're right the Terrans/Maltos being the real focal point dragged down what actually was more interesting. its insane for how undercooked all the legacy characters are they're all still more interesting and cooler.
>>151608343>and flops for being total boy-repellanIt didn't flop and nothign in it make it a boy-repellent.
>>151626452>It didn't flopoh come on now, most of the toys ended up on heavy red tag clearance. it did flop no matter how you slice it. Just cause you like the show doesn't mean it was a failure. the 86 movie was a flop, Galaxy Force was a flop in Japan, Prime was a flop, One flopped, i mean they're all better than Earthspark but the facts are facts.
>>151626345>especially cause Energon Rodimus was my first ever Transformers toy.It's sad that it basically fixes the issues with g1 Rodimus' alt-mode being so awkward and t's never revisited
>>151626492i love that truck mode, its a damn cool design. i was happy at a local toy show a few years back i was able to find some new orange heels for my Rodimus and also buy his repaint Checkpoint for cheap.
>>151624963>Rescue BotsThis show is wildly under rated.
>>151626452>It didn't flopConsidering how eager Hasbro was to get the Earthspark toys OFF the shelves, I'd say it flopped pretty hard.Wasn't the last wave of ES toys silently cancelled?
>>151626676we never got to see Cosmos at retail and its a miracle if you ever saw the Soundwave. maybe they'll be plentiful next year at Ross, Ollies and those kind of liquidator retail stores but right now, nothing. in Canada it only took about a month after Cyberworld to complete replace Earthspark product at walmart. the fact Cyberworld was already in development and released the first quarter of the show before Earthspark wrapped up tells you they wanted to move on quickly but we're still obligated to fill out an order for Paramount+, they probably regret greenlighting season 2 before season 1 was even out. it was damage control ever since. I think after Earthspark shat the bed in its finale, its really making people take more notice and appreciate how much better Cyberworld is despite being the cheaper made production.
>>151626211fair enough
>>151626646Episode 1 is the hardest to get through.Looks like it's for toddlers. Written for 8 year olds.Until you keep watching and it's actually the continuation of Prime. Blur and Salvage are so cool. Their story lines up with Earth being an energon storage planet and Quickshadow is one of the better female bots. It's G1 in spirit with a likable cast human and robot with plots that don't insult the viewer like Rid15's. Being for kids is no reason for the show to have absolute solid world building and more cohesive than all of RiD.
>>151626734>Soundwave.I thought he was released. A shame because I like his alt mode more than Prime's jet.I'm hoping Cyberworld can get high quality toys in better sizes. Dollar store quick change toys aren't the worst, but the show makes it easy with the plastic metal and how often they're transforming.
>>151628587See you in Valhalla brother.
The current state of the franchise and Hasbros neglect makes me sad but at the very least I can always reread or rewatch what I do enjoy
>>151626116Damn you people to hell. Leave Skywarp alone and keep him male. Just use Slipstream if you want a girl Seeker.
>>151626452>It didn't flop>entire production crew of season 1 was fired due to horrible reception, low viewership, and the PR disaster that was Nightshade>toy sales were so ass Hasbro moved the show to a cheaper studio that cost peanuts >all the "seasons" got shorter and shorter to the point where "season 4" is just 2 specials that can pass as a movie>no one outside of OpMeg fujos and plebbitors cared about this show and now even they've turned on it because Hasbro realized a "good guy" Megatron was retarded and walked it back My brother in Primus. This show was a massive flop and was making no money
>>151608343There hasnt been a good transformers cartoon series since prime ended in 2013
>>151631661Academy should have just scrapped Ratchet and Lazerbeak because it broke from Aligned and making them G1 versions of themselves could have been fixed by using First Aid and Ratbat.
>>151631661Cyberworld is fun though but the episodes are way too short. Earthspark was a mistake and should never have existed
>>151632276I don't understand why they didn't do 11 minute episodes.Even on a budget, it's the most common short series format even for tiktok brain kids. Plus ad revenue bonus.
>>151632459My guess is that Hasbro didn't want another financial risk so they gave the show short episodes to make it faster to make and if the show ended up flopping it wouldn't have cost much. Glad the writers and animators are creative enough that they make good use of what they're allowed to work with, I hope since the show and toys are doing well we can get longer episodes next season.
The next cartoon should be about a Cybertron Bordello
>>151632614Nah. Earth transformers do it for free.
>>151632646THOSE HUSSIES!
>>151626492>It's sad that it basically fixes the issues with g1 Rodimus' alt-mode being so awkward and t's never revisitedCare to explain what you mean?
>>151632614I wish I could find the IDW page with Galvatron with two callgirls on his arm at a club.It's been a thing as far back as Beast Wars and while I get why they never expand on it, it's still a bit funny that it's even there>>151632646>soundwave popular with human girls>Covergirl pregnantImagine the industry for bot on girl porn
>>151632521>next seasonThe show and the toys would need a million dollar boost to ever make that happen and because it's youtube, that's just ad revenue. The viewership is worse than most web series by literal whos.I don't mind the show being 5 mins each. But weekly for 1 episode sucks.I think there are only dollar store level toys out now. And with no backing from Hasbro in any capacity, the audience reach barely goes past twitter as it's where Ali Lightfoot (creator) posts.
>>151615133>>151616579>>151618459>>151625926:joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: https://files.catbox.moe/4q2o1z.mp4
>>151632768>$10 for the very cheap onesI did a double-take seeing on store shelves
>>151633011I have one of the dollar brand toys and they are hardly more than $3 in worth. I think any price over $10 is the retailer. The ES toys are horrendously cheap too and I'm surprised Walmart is selling them full priced at $30 with tax when you can find them for $12 or less elsewhere.A shame. Cyberworld designs are perfect as far as toys to CG, but I don't think we're ever going to see an official, high quality product. Unless a third party picks them up because I really love Elita's boat and Bee's Aligned re-design.
>>151633259Thing is, Cyberworld toys would be a really solid $10 if they had elbows.
Hasbro should just pick a /co/ anon to revitalize the franchise with a new generation defining show. Couldnt do worse then anything the past decade.
>>151608343One was pretty damn fucking good. Brought a lot of new people in and some old fans back. Hopefully they realise they can do transformers shit not on Earth/without human casts. A show surrounding early Autobots/Decepticon war on cybertron following the events after One could work
>>151632614She cute
>>151633522that would imply that hasbro would let anyone that isn't Furman or the G1 crew have any creative freedom.How cw's get away with so much is a new one.
>>151632614Next show:>All transformers are female (Chromia leader of Autobots, Strika leader of Decepticons, etc.)>Human cast are all maleWe getting that Totally Spies "girls show that only guys watch" money.
I just want a transmetal Tarantulas and an Armada Sideways.
https://youtu.be/ba4gHlEsO3s?&t=500This frame is fucking cancer. I hate these people so much.
>>151633802What year do you think it is?
>>151633711She needs more love that's for sure.
>>151626492My issue with G1 Rodimus is that its just bigger Hot Rod.I really wanna see a Dakar Rally truck Rodimus.
>>151627257oh it did get released but just as retailers decided they were done with Earthspark so his wave wasn't stocked as much and in a wave with repacks of previously released molds.if you can still find one in the wild, you'll make back your money no sweat.
>>151633825you're in luck anon, new one finally.
>>151618205>but the lead writer isn't.DJW wasn't the lead writer from TFA. He was the ART DIRECTOR, and partly the character designer.The lead writer for TFA was Marty Isenberg, who was also one of Beast Machines's lead writers, and is still alive.
>>151634871nta but here's more of him along with his two Mini-cons, who forms his headswap.
>>151633259>because I really love Elita's boat designfun fact: it's just IDW Riptide with Elita's head and colors
>>151608467Nah. Bayformers peaked with 3. Everything else after was fucking shit, even Bumblebee.
>>151635031bumblebee isn't bayformers
>>151635037>ITS NOT ITS NOT ITS NOT ITS NOT ITS NOTthen why did he lose his voice?
>>151635031>>151635037>>151635059it was supposed to be a prequel but it ended up being reworked as something completely different. that's why there's Sector 7 and even a younger version of Seymour Simmons.
>>151608343>are we ever going to get a decent TF show again? They should just outsource TF to Japan>The last genuinely good cartoon was animatedI liked the Netflix WfC trilogy
>>151624989LookThe major transformers have basic iconic well known personalities and looks that sell and work with the young boy audience and the older audience remembers. Straying too far from those adds nothing. At all. If you're going to do that, then get another character or go to another series. The only people begging for a new version of those characters are degenerates who'll buy anything and just want to change things up so when they buy it they'll be slightly more entertained. The audience they need are children and young teens. And if you look at media that's succeeding with them the roles that they had are still liked. Don't fuck with the formula. If you get too far from it then it becomes random bullshit and loses it's identitity. An identity that it needs to maintain in the minds of the adults who will be buying this for their children.Who is good guy megatron for? Who is soldier girl elita 1 for? Who is beta male optimous with no face plate for? What does that add? What group of young boys and adults are going to jive with that?
>>151608343It was ok. Personally, i just appreciated a Transformers show trying something different, rather than just yet another Optimus vs Megatron show. The family dynamic was interesting, as is the whole "Humans adopting and raising Cybertronians" thing.A few episodes majorly fucking pissed me off. That fucking one where the kid goes back to his hometown and meets his childhood friend who hates Cybertronians because of the war. They try to have the whole:>"Standing up to your enemies is hard, but standing up to your friends when you know they are wrong is harder. Don't accept racism from your friends, just because they are your friends."Which i appreciate, but they never address WHY that kid felt the way he did. They never address his point of view. Instead, the message of the episode comes across as:>"Remember, kids. If a friend says something that you personally disagree with, then cut them out of your life. NEVER attempt basic conflict-resolution. NEVER attempt to understand why they may have such feelings. Simply assume they were baselessly racist and rest assured that you are morally superior."Cool Quintesson designs though, as was the whole "Head on a tentacle" thing that Mandroid's Quintesson form had, very Mighty Max.So, yeah, even if i liked it, i'd hesitate to call it good... My only real surprise is that it lasted as long as it did.
>>151635031I'd say it peaked with Revenge. Moon was alright, but not as good. Extinction was 3 different scripts they couldn't decide which they liked more, so just superglued them together and it fucking sucked. Last Knight was actually alright.>>151635059Brand Recognition. Normies expect Bee to be like that. Hell, i think Earthspark is the first non-Machinima show since Bayformers to have Bee actually just talk straight out the gate. Prime had him speak in R2-D2 and Cyberverse simply straight up copied the "Speaks using radio clips" thing.
>>151635107>I liked the Netflix WfC trilogy
>>151635159considering Warzone, the episode that proceeds Home basically had Megatron say that the war killed so many people and that the Terrans and Maltos need to be better than they were only to immediately cry immediately when they meet someone who brings up valid reasons for racism against Transformers was insanely tone deaf. the show is it at odds with what it presents. they created a crapsack world on the same level as the Bayverse but refuse to really acknowledge it as such.
>>151635155the thing i think Transformers has forgotten is, it doesn't really need to keep pidgeonholding its characters in the same designs or character roles. like the Unicron Trilogy was a true reinvention of the brand, sure some names to designs were absolute nameslaps with little sense like Armada Smokescreen but its that kind of inovation we're missing right now. we've been doing a lot of the same storybeats for so long, hell if you actually think about it, so are the same character roster choices. good example of what i mean is, all the actual Autobots in Earthspark, there is NOT a single character on the Autobots side of things that hadn't appeared in recent media within the past 5 years (Optimus, Bumblebee, Elita, Grimlock, Arcee, Wheeljack, Mirage, Hot Rod, Cosmos, Prowl) have all either also appeared in Cyberverse, WFC Trilogy, ROTB, One and Cyberworld. Meanwhile Earthspark's Decepticon roster had wild card picks like Hardtop and Octopunch. There's no one in the autobot roster like them nobody said hey maybe we should have Cloudburst or Midnight Express show up or some shit. Autobot rosters are usually 84 - 86. its kind of a miracle Cyberverse was able to toss in guys nobody would think of like Repugnus, Whirl, and especially Rack N' Ruin. the moment i saw Rack N' Ruin in the show was the moment i realized Cyberverse was made by actual fans cause nobody would've considered them otherwise since they were up to that point comic book only characters. i appreciate that Cyberworld was able to mix things up with their designs so far. Offroad Optimus is a genuinely fresh Optimus design, just wished they used him from the get go. Bull Megatron also very fresh too but if they truly wanna go all the way, bring back Optimus Prime combining and having super modes and shit. yes i'm a 2000s kid, you can tell. we moved away from it, maybe its just time to go back to it and at least give it another go.
>>151634871>>151635013>>151635019...I don't want to sound ungrateful. Buuuut.
>>151635361Random transformers showing up depending on what new toys they have in or were thinking about selling was LITTERALLY the modus operandi of G1.That's what I meant by putting those character archetypes and story ideas onto new characters.You only need at LEAST 3- 5 tentpole iconic rep characters on each side. The rest can be wild cards. AND SHOULD be wild cards. And set up a plot point where new characters will just show up out of nowhere. Just have "New toy budget" set up so they can bring in a new character that Hasbro is wanting to sell.Even have polls and games on their official website and apps to pick what new characters are showing up.It allows a massive amount of creativity when it comes to character writing and relationship dynamics.
>>151634871>>151635013>>151635019Wait, he is going to be a friggin Voyager?!
>>151632614>>151633711>>151634413she is one of the characters i really want if they make a new Transformers show. keep her as the flirty slutty and bratty ojou sama type but one change i wanna make to her is have her be a weapon specialist, a gunrunner, she is all about guns and shit. tinkering with new weapon ideas. also Megatron X Thunderblast has been one of my OTPs for so long so i actually wanna do something with that especially with how my Megatron tries to be this composed evil gentlemen and then Thunderblast's flirty gets him a bit tsundere around her and why she gets special treatment from him.one of the biggest things i wanna do with my Megatron is a bit of a response to how Earthspark failed with its Megatron and the Decepticons, give reasons why he'd have loyal followers at all, make him a cult of personality. It was a bit inspired as well by Satsuki Kiryuin and her Elite 4. they would die for her, and i want that with my Megatron which is what would make Starscream and Shockwave the major outliers.
>>151635439yeah, otherwise we wouldn't have the minicons doing their thing. and they can turn into the head, Nate from Marketing confirmed they can, and he will be showing them off soon enough.
>>151635429i think another thing is the cartoons don't take advantage of the character models they do have. like i realized this when Cyberverse had its final specials and the Mercenaries sans Trypticon were all model reuses of the pre-existing characters which was actually really smartand then i look at Earthspark and i'm amazed nobody on the team realized oh we could just reuse their character models and build up the world more. like if you got the seekers, actually do more of it, Cyberverse had so many of them (granted they were kind of wasted but still) and yes i will still moan that Thundercracker not being in Earthspark is insanely jarring. but you can also look at other designs and get creative, like Soundwave could've obviously had Soundblaster or they could've done a Cybertron styled Sideways (or you could have him be his Armada colours just to make it more different from Soundblaster and have both) or with Hardtop he could've been Beachcomber and or Sureshot too. Bumblebee has his older Beetle looking design and his Ford GT40 design, you could have Bug Bite and Cliffjumper be from the body. Breakdown could've also doubled for a Wildrider (they got his trademark back, i genuinely expected to see him in the show). Cosmos = Pathfinder. I can go on and on. Prowl shows up yet no Bluestreak and Smokscreen come on man. I know they'd utilize them all poorly but it would've at least been smart cost effective decision making.
>>151608343>flops for being total boy-repellantYou people get something worth of criticism and yet choose to make up your own shit to criticize instead. Absolute retardation.
>>151615577>>blatant toy shillingEvery fucking show is this. Either you use it as a negative for everything or for nothing but you don't get to pick.
>>151626260Why even make Skywarp a girl when Slipstream is already literally that.
>>151635520its not like there hadn't been Skywarps that were totally different guys entirely. pic related is literally a Maximal that turns into a hawk, part of Magnaboss and he's also a Skywarp,
>>151635497You're right.Some recolors and army type characters were great. The vehicons in Prime were a good idea too. But they will need to alter some of the character models slightly to make them work better.Like cliff jumper and bumble bee. They can both have the same bot mode but their alt modes need to be somewhat different.>>151635514I know right? The fuck do they think their doing. This shit runs on selling pieces of plastic to people. The shows charge is being a steward of an IP and bringing value to it by making it seem fun interesting something to think about and care about.The fuck kind of egotistical retardation are they on.The creators behing Bluey fucking get it. Why can't they?
>>151608343Studio Trigger may one day deliver a Transformers show.They did it with Gridman back when they released that Gridman short many years ago.They will do it with Transformes after they released that commemorative 40th anniversary short.
>>151635677i will always hold out hope for it. >>151635667we really need the writing to embrace the toyeticness again but like we need the show and toy development to work hand in hand in tandem again if it'll actually suceed. what worked in the past was a collaborative effort.
>>151635159>>151635297>humans justifiably hating and not trusting Cybertronians for bringing their war that we have nothing to do with to the planet and killing many humans in the crossfire >kid probably lost someone they loved like a family member or close friend or knew people that did>instead of exploring this and showing people there are more sides to everything and people are complicated they treat it like it's "le racism" and "bigotry" >meanwhile the Maltos live with a genocidal space tyrant that is responsible for that war Anyone that said season 1 had good writing are fucking liars, that shit was awful to watch and you can't compare human racism to aliens showing up and nearly wiping out humanity. The Maltos don't get to be preachy when they let Megatron live with them.
>>151635697>I will always hold out hope for it.I too hope they will do it...as long as Hasbro won't do something beyond moronic.
>>151635677Gridman looked great and the Shattered Glass references were kino but the writing was kinda ass. If Trigger does make a Transformers anime they should get a good writer
>>151635705the fact not a single person realized how horrible the optics were in the writers room. it was definitely written during the summer of love no doubt. Mandroid really was wasted, like i get it, he became the very thing he sought to destroy becoming a monster in the process but the fact he and Alex were friends just doesn't go anywhere, like they acknowledge it twice but they don't do anything with it. it would've been great to have an episode where Alex explains to the Maltos and Terrans what Dr. Meridian was like before the tragic day that changed everything, but it probably would've been too expensive and too depressing to do. the whole idea just screams Dark Glass, a great idea that should've happened but too ambitious except the writers just needed a hate sink instead. it feels like anti-Transformers racism stories just never work, Kicker was supposed to be that type of character as well except it never felt like he grew out of it or really confronted his childhood trauma just that they forgot about it and just made him an edgy dick.
>>151635735Hoping so. They need it to work.
>>151635735>>151635768SG Optimus Prime is so goddamn cute.
>>151635768Let's hope it will also look soulful
>>151635780i genuinely love the Beast Machines acknowledgement at the end of this scene. hell i love how clever the idea of Optimus Prime, Optimus Primal and both Megatron's essentially fusing together to become Optimal Optimus and TM2 Megatron is sick.
>>151635667>Like cliff jumper and bumble bee. They can both have the same bot mode but their alt modes need to be somewhat differentno joke i genuinely have been overthinking the hell out of how many characters i can have share a mold but engineer them to still look so different.
>>151635765To me it always felt like Earthspark writers were being pussies for not wanting to show just how bad Megatron and the war actually was, why some humans don't want Cybertronians around, and not exploring Mandroid as a person so we learn how he ended up that way. It was like they were terrified of people not completely siding with the Maltos or Megatron if they get shown in an unflattering light. Kicker was annoying but at least the anime actually bothered to show why he's like that and the Autobots were understanding and tolerant of him because of it.
>>151635616Wasn't there a Smokescreen or a Mirage that were Decepticons in G2?Also, Bayformers Frenzy and Scorponoks were attached to Barricade and Blackout.
>>151635869i also think about how bad the collateral damage is in the show, and i remember people used to bitch when Prime was airing why the fuck are they always in abandoned areas, forests, deserts, tundras all the time and well in hindsight it was vindicated cause you never really had to worry about collateral damage for the most part (outside of Jasper, Nevada being permanently relocated)meanwhile Witwicky, Pennsylvania has its main street destroyed almost every fucking week, Home 2 parter wrecks Phily and then Grimlock goes on a rampage in A Stygi Situation. This show does absolutely nothing to help try to calm the genuine concerns the human populace has with the Transformers around.
>>151635893yeah G2 Smokescreen is the partner of Dreadwing, in the Japanese version he is actually G1 Smokescreen who went through a face heel turn arc of his own. and funnily enough Barricade and Blackout were both attempts at trying to get Soundwave in the first Bay film, they genuinely overthought the idea of how to do him without being a cassette player. the fact they're both deployers are remnants of what would've been Soundwave.
>>151635232>Earthspark is the first non-Machinima show since BayformersRiD and Rescue Bots Academy let him talk again. Netflix too unless you are considering that Machinima for the voice cast.
>>151635939they're still sequel shows, he's talking about having Bumblebee with his voice from the get go in a new continuity.
>>151635934>the fact they're both deployers are remnants of what would've been Soundwave.I like the idea of Decepticons having symbiotic mini-cons. Imagine Starscream beong partnered to Ratbat.
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>>151617581bro Cybertron is one of the biggest reasons i became a fan in the long haul, the day I bought my Cybertron Hot Shot on the first day of summer vacation in 2005 and seeing the planet map of the entire first 2 waves made me want to get them all and then the anime began broadcasting a few weeks later in Canada and the rest was history.
>>151635916Bayverse unironically had better writing for humans with a more realistic reaction to a post-alien invasion. People already barely tolerate each other when stuff gets wrecked in wars, what makes the Earthspark writers think humans wouldn't be justified in being pissed off at actual aliens using our planet as a battlefield for their personal drama. Even IDW, for all it's bad writing addressed this to some degree because the Decepticons killed billions of people and humans aren't wrong for not trusting them...this does get glossed over as IDW's writing got worse but at least it was brought up. The kid in Earthspark wasn't even being mean and he wasn't wrong for saying the Transformers invaded earth, he was genuinely being really tolerant and nice to them with Robby being a little bitch about it.
>>151621818>Who wants to give Skybound the time of day when beforehand they've gotten nothing but literal slop for years.Skybound Transformers has had insanely great numbers for the current comic book landscape, no issue of IDW ever sold copies even close to what Skybound is doing now.
>>151636079Marvel Transformers also had the humans be wary of Cybertronians too.
>>151608343DOA. Glad it's over and will fell into the pits of obscurity.
>>151635869I don't think they're afraid so much as, the series was written by fans of IDW.Imagine your fanfiction of a different series was being developed into something new, you want people to like your favorite character obviously. And that favorite was 'redeemed' Megatron. The Malto kids on the other hand, might have been over protected.They get what they want, always. They never have to work hard. They can apparently not focus on school and never get bad enough grades to warrant parental attention. They get power ups because reasons that simply do not branch beyond being the main characters.I remember when Raf being grounded for an A- was the entire reason the Prime human cast had to solve an entire plot from his bedroom. That was fun. But it was also the last time a human kid had to apparently acknowledge school because Cody Burnes and Russel never seem to go. Russel had a human friend that went absolutely nowhere and is all but disconnected from other people besides his own dad. I guess hasbro figured writing American children accurately was a bad thing or something
>>151636094I love the human plots because they're so goofy. Like Blaster taking those kids to space and it turns into a kidnapping which turns into a really big issue
>>151636094Yeah, I forgot about that. And that's actual good writing since I hate it when stories refuse to address very obvious problems in worldbuilding. >>151636113This is why I never really liked the Malto kids or the Terrans, they were treated as both "super special" and extremely spoiled by the writers. Megatron was also treated the same way, no amount of "he's changed and totally feels bad about the war" will make me stop asking why the fuck he's not in prison but all the other cons are, and no, I won't accept "but he's helping!", Optimus and the Autobots should be enough to handle rounding up the cons. Why does Megatron get excused when he's the entire reason the war started and why earth got wrecked in the first place?
>>151636134Are those Pretenders?
>>151636212yep
>>151635817You got the seekersVehiconsSideswipe and sunstreakerThe insecticon armyThe cassettes
>>151635101if it's not bayverse why does bumblebee retain the same head design as his first appearance in 2007
Bumblebee should be a motorcycle to be human sized.
>>151636199Optimus is his enabler. In fact Optimus in general is written like his IDW self. Corrupt for no other reason but the writers themselves wanting him to be.He lets the kids fight with him, despite it going against every version of himself. Optimus in general hated the idea of humans being hurt sans Bay where they hurt him so bad he stopped caring. He lets Megatron walk free despite- again, all versions of him being completely against Megatron being free in any capacity. He's hardly a protector and more of a weird PR manager so Megatron gets to be the poster boy for the good guys. All the jobs too humiliating for Megatron, go to him. (Trailer washing episode, the dad jokes, the recruitment and other stupid shit.)
>>151636300A motorcycle who is a headmaster would be better in my opinionThe motorcycle means leaning into the more innocent fight avoidant bumblebee and can be a great side kick to a human character.HOWEVER it removes his ability to be somewhat useful in a fight.Who is going to replace him as that teen young adult male character? >>151636347I knew the show was going to be morally subversive and retarded as fuck as soon as I saw megatron with an autobot symbol on his chest. The FUCK were they thinking? The best you can do with good guy megatron is lawful evil but has no problems with breaking those laws to win. And origin where he had no choice but ultimately fell to his own evil and vice. That's it. Anything else is retarded bullshit fanfic written by people who should either never touch the transformers IP or be HEAVYLY tardwrangled.
>>151615577>blatant toy shillingYou are watching the wrong franchise dude.
I was thinking something for motorcycles transformers. Like what if they had the usual vehicle mode, but on top of that they have a humanoid pilot body to steer themselves? Then the pilot body fuse with the vehicle to make the robot mode.
>>151636535>megatron with an autobot symbol on his chest.he actually has his con symbol within the GHOST insignia
>>151636569Yeah, that also opens up more possibilities for more toys.Like it can turn into a bike and a battle station or a gun or an animal companion and they can transform into a larger robot. The minicon/human in a power suit play pattern is really under utilized.
>>151636347Thanks for bringing back up terrible memories of IDW Optimus that I've buried for years now. Optimus is such hypocritical cunt in IDW with how he was willing to let Megatron walk but if anyone else did anything remotely bad he would pummel or murder them himself, it was so shit that even characters in universe called him out on it sometimes with how biased he was towards anyone that wasn't Megatron. IDW could fuck off with that absolute steaming pile of shit ending with Optimus hugging that Unicron scientist guy that destroyed Cyberton, it's colonies, and caused the death of a lot of people after he's killed cons for doing less. Earthspark Optimus is just diet IDW Optimus but at least IDW Optimus had a good design.
I like Optimus and Bubmlebee's new alt modes in Cyberworld. Making OP a humvee is an interesting new idea and Bumblebee being a dune buggy is probably the only thing of worth to come from Reactivate.
>>151635155anon you keep focusing on characterization when were just saying we want Optimus with jetpacks and maybe Megatron is green and turns into a space tank or something. Playing with characterization is a factor too, but it's more like making Megatron more boastful or having a battle lust than making a G1 looking Megatron design good.
>>151636347>He lets Megatron walk free despite- again, all versions of him being completely against Megatron being free in any capacity.You haven't read enough TF media, anon.Maybe you are a bit too young, but Optimus and Megatron finally reaching a truce or even a peace between their two factions is almost a mini-trope of its own.The pic already posted there >>151625503outright contradict your statement.
>>151636865But that's not what is happening. That's Optimous letting a genocidal monster walk because he said he a guud boy now cause he le sad.
>>151636865Anon, the pic you're referring to is when Megatron is allied to the Autobots for a bit but he loses his shit later, goes back to being a mass murdering jackass, and almost kills Optimus.
>>151626260>If you put girl skywarp and slipstream next to each other and ask a little boy which one he'd want, they are more likely to pick girl Skywarp.You are missing the bigger problem, put masculine Thundercracker or Starscream beside them and they will always pick one of them. That's what makes this all stupid, people are acting like Furries and want to load sexuality into stupid shit forgetting this was always meant to be a toy line for boys and we have 40 years showing they want the robots that are the same gender as them and little else. For me it's what's so tiring is seeing men in their 30s and 40s crying they want more female toys when younger people and kids are not interested in that at all.
>>151636924you get it.Girl money is not Hasbro's main market. Yes fujos buy toys, but fujos are buying the toys of the men. Little girls are a minority of a minority as transformers fans. Just because a fat white woman calls Simun Furman misogynist does not mean that hasbro should course correct to pander to fembot image. They don't matter.Elita matters, Chromia can matter, but it's only people over 20 who seem to be upset that they are not the picture perfect female empowerment characters and hasbro shouldn't listen to them, ever. Nor should they hire them for their shows. Boys like boy toys. Fujos like m/m toys. Just make boy toys. Female characters should always be secondary and if they make it popular, then they can keep being relevant
>>151608343>>Fanbase that consists only of terminally online xitter usersThat's the entire Transformers fandom dumbass everyone knows that the fandom mostly consists of fujos wanting to fuck Optimus
>>151637035>fujos>wanting to fuck Optimus???Fujos don't want to fuck Optimus. Fujos only like gayshit between him and Megatron.
>>151636924>ou are missing the bigger problem, put masculine Thundercracker or Starscream beside them and they will always pick one of them.factually untrue. During playtests of things like the Masters of the Universe line, kids would attempt to steal the Teela prototype.Boys are guarded about liking girl toys but are drawn to them regardless. Usually they try to hide that, but often the way they do is by adding it to a list of stuff they want which just means they sell more anyway (like asking for a green ranger and a pink ranger so he isn't just asking for pink alone)
>>151637199anons don't even know what fujos are anymore.What happened to knowing exactly the difference between a yumejo and a fujo?
>>151637010The people that want these perfect female empowerment characters don't really give a shit about any one work.They simply want their prototypical fantasy of female strength as described by the lesbian and penis envy ran feminist cult. They don't care. The same women DESPERATE to be seen as real strong women or blather on about bullshit like that online and in public will then go home and read or watch the most girl goofy chick media on earth and fingerblast themselves into a coma while reading breeding farm, the ravaging of virgina's garden, and other stuff to get their fill of dangerous emotional men and being vulnerable.Let's be honest.We all should just ignore those disengenuous cunts and wierdo beta "men" and write to the normals again.Anyway.You are 100% correct. This is a boys show and desperately trying to appeal to a female market that doesn't exist is retarded. The only women you should appeal to are tomboys, mothers, women and girls who know men and boys that are into it. The strong girl boss? The girls and women who are into it don't like them from what I've seen and the females(girls and women) who aren't into it but will pick up on it for males don't care.
>>151637397That's a figure with a big ass and massive tits. Fembots have not had assets like those since megaempress and western twitter gets mad any time someone makes a post from Go Go because Japan simply does not care.People thought Elita was a boy when Cyberworld first got released
>shit show has a top 5 version of Liege Maximo>only reason he's that high is because the guys below him are Loki, Loki, a background cameo, a background character, a background character that doesn't talk, an arm, and a corpse
>>151637397It's been over a half century since we've turned toy sales into a science. Boys do not buy girl versions of charactersGirls buy boy versions of characters so they can have relationship dramas. Usually stealing her brothers gijoe or other male characters and making romance or house playing drama.There you go. And yeah, the horny little boys were steeling titties to play with. I was a little boy. I was guilty of something similar. But cartoons aimed at boys do not have pretty girls or anything even slightly feminine anymore. It's all "girl bosses' and bulldykes. Not normal women, strong women, and adorable tomboys. Just the fantasy of strong women that lunatics want as a gotcha to men, and hardcore lesbians.
>>151637470>top 5 version of Liege Maximo>when there's only like 5 versions to begin with
>>151637466Twitter isn't real you ridiculous cunt. It's 90% bots and Ai and alorythms created to drive negative emotional engagment and push propoganda and narratives.There's almost no real, and I mean metaphorically and litteraly, people on twitter/x. Stop using it as a barometer of anything.
>>151608343Not only do both of those human characters look like shit (the guy is okay-ish), but they don't even look like they're from the same show.
>>151637448>tomboysI like verity a lot for this reason. Rescue Bots Dani is very girly but she's atypical in having both a male romantic interest but also, can bully all the other bots. Plus canonically fit. Really both should be the standard. Relatable to casual female viewers, but not some impossible to write goddess standard to appeal to women with 0 self-esteem.Arcee's been weathering the storm of this type of bullshit for years now and I really want her to go back to Animated. Nurturing role, but also, a soldier and allowed to still be very cute>mothersDorothy is a good character. She has flaws, but I think she was shafted terribly by the writing team trying to make her both a strong black woman but also a self-insert for their human x meg fanfiction. And June should have fucked Optimus.
>>151637522>Twitter isn't real>He doesn't know
>>151637470i hate the fact that is the most interesting Liege design that isn't just a shitty Loki clone and it proceeds to get wasted on this trash show with bad writing, bro got defeated in the most anti-climactic way
>>151621793>we have a fantastic Skybound universe that's everything people here want from Transformersit's the same shit shown a thousand times before but the transformers get mangled a lot and gi joe shit no one cares about was shoehorned in again. I sleep
Ugh, they made Optimus one of the Thirteen again? Really?
>>151637397you got a source to these play tests?
How is it TMNT manages to stay relevant with cartoons spanning years of air time plus the comics while side stepping all the issues TF does? Even with a fandom that gaps between 80's kids to people who hopped on with Rise. Even the youtube channel gets twice as many viewers on average than tf
>>151638238TMNT is more consistent with it's quality.
>>151636282like i said it was supposed to be and he and to a lesser extent Shatter and Dropkick are holdovers from the original prequel plans in their designs.
>>151636535>A motorcycle who is a headmaster would be better in my opinionso Armada Sideways then?
>>151636535>as soon as I saw megatron with an autobot symbol on his chest.except he's never had an autobot symbol on his chest, its the GHOST logo and then season 2 and on he's still wearing his Decepticon insignia. He never wore the Autobot badge in Earthspark, that's IDW you're thinking of. Granted the reason why is cause they had the GHOST logo and the Decepticon logo for Warzone and just switched to the Warzone Decepticon one for the later seasons instead of doing anymore work.
>>151638547Not him but yes
>>151637010you also underestimate the coomer market who like sexy fembots, characters like Arcee and Blackarachnia were awakenings for plenty of folk i know. one of my friends became a motorcycle enthuasist because of Prime Arcee and he's super horny for her. >>151637448that's also true, thats why i just want fembots who are fun, interesting, cool. don't care about empowerment shit at all.
>>1516373971) you have one example based on off hand stories that we just have to trust 2) we have decades of clearance figures being the female figures for the last 4 decades over multiple brands. 3) Finally, you are making the assumption it would be a first or even high choice, there was a reason Kenner made 20 Batman's every year and hardly anything else, and tat was kids wanted Batman first and foremost with Batgirl being far behind Joker, Freeze, etc. This will always be the way thing are, a girl character toy isn't going to be the first, second or even third pick for the majority of boys to play with or watch otherwise Cybersix, The Legend of Calamity Jane and other attempts at girl action shows aimed at boys would have made easy cash. They didn't. They bombed hard. Because short of sex deviants most young boys/men don't want female heroes and even most girls don't want to watch action hero girls. Nothing is wrong just admitting you have a fetish for female robots and the like. Everything is wrong trying to say boys at large have ever wanted that or could be fooled into wanting it. They don't, they never have and likely never will.
>>151637566for the many issues i have with Earthspark, i genuinely like Dot (and Alex) and i genuinely lament we never got the Megatron/Dot origin episode which really would've recontextualize a lot of the show from beyond throwaway lines. genuinely pissed me off when I learned she was an amputee because i'm a foot fetishist. we finally get our first new animated Transformers MILF since June Darby and they cockblock me.
>>151638238TMNT doesn't have to worry about as much engineering in its toys. Transformers are genuinely among the most complex shit with having to approach it as robot, alt mode and its transformation, whereas Playmates can just shit out 4 turtle molds that are basically the same and sell you them as the 4 brothers. TMNT has a perfect simplicty whereas Transformers can be simple but there's still more thought that's required
>>151637470>>151637513>>151637615>most interesting Liege design>It's Marvel's Ultron face with with machetes for ears >implying I'd take his first appearance look over whatever that low energy trash was.
>>151637522Why does no one ever just look at what sells? That's whats so strange about these shows and brands is they are looking at what the internet says rather than outright what sells. For the last fifteen years this how things have been with evidence being clear as fuck the masses online do not translate into sales and yet they still come back here to press shareholders on what they should invest in.It's all so fucking strange.
>>151635773I see what you did here.>>151635780>>151635788Hoping it will be soulful.Also I mainly dislike Beast Machines due to how idiotic Hasbro went with its production and how of a wasted potential it ended up as.The CGI was more fluid, but...still mad. I'm still so damn mad.
>>151638769big issue are the investors who invest into the companies like Blackrock that wanted woke shit and forced it in, and kept funneling that money until recently when *gasp* it turned out it wasn't making money, now they're kinda scrambling to figure shit out but are too retarded to just go back to what was working. when you hire activists, it becomes impossible to fire them because they make a bigger stink than a normal person.
>>151638238They keep trying to reinvent the wheel and take risks while keeping the core idea. Look at 2012 TMNT to Tales to the new movie. Likewise look at Transformers between Beast Wars to Prime. Experimentation was very high but they kept the core beats the same so novelty was always there and you never felt you were watching a husk of a show that was just parading around past successes as it's core. That's my greatest issue with Earthspark was how it tried to just both pretend it was G1 and at the same time something completely new.
>>151638814honestly i really liked BM, i get why people hate it, i was one of those guys but in recent years it really finally clicked with me beyond Megatron, Cheetor and Jetstorm. its not everyone's cup of tea but dammit i think the ending is beautiful. But i just love Mainframe's work in general, hell Beast Wars is my all time favourite tv show period.
>>151638822i think what bothered me with Earthspark is how it was supposed to be the big grand return to a unionized Transformers production after Cyberverse and WFC Trilogy were all non union projects, Cyberverse is honestly damn great IMO so coming into Earthspark i had bigger expectations and they dropped the ball period with dated political moralization and just poorly thought out world building and character development that goes nowhere, and now another non union product like Cyberworld is mogging EarthSpark.
>>151638816>they make a bigger stinkIt's literally the transginger south park situationBetter to wait for the show to fail on its own rather than cut it or engage. If you hate ES, then clearly you're a bigot. But with the show failing in all aspects, it can be a clear number reference to not hire anyone who worked on it again
>>151638841I too love Beast Wars. Even more so than standard G1 stuff and its derivatives and offshoots.It's a shame that Hasbro doesn't do more PURE Beast Wars stuff. Only that it must always include G1 stuff like that idiotic prologue comic to the original Beast Wars people don't want to recognize. The one where Predacon Inferno and Autobot Inferno are the same character but altered due to the pod crash (and I call it bullshit).I hope that Trigger will do so damn good once they roll out their Transformers show that they will be allowed to do a new Beast Wars one.One that show us more of the setting itself, what are the relationships between the Beast Era cybertronians and humans, as well if Beast Megatron wasn't making up the whole Predacons being discriminated (and if they are, then how far this does it go).
>>151638966>what are the relationships between the Beast Era cybertronians and humans, Bleh, who cares.>as well if Beast Megatron wasn't making up the whole Predacons being discriminated (and if they are, then how far this does it go).I can see him being overly dramatic. The Preds co-rule the planet, afterall.
>>151638966i'd love to see a new BW show that just has an all new cast or repurposes more toy only characters. like i think it'd be cool of the new Convoy/Prime was like a deer going for a majestic Bambi vibe sorta like how Lio Convoy was based off Kimba the White Lion. you could have a fox that's essentially Cheetor and Rattrap combined, a skittish kid appeal character type think sorta like Fink from The Wild Robot but younger. there's a few other species we've never really had like a hippopotamus cause those are some dangerous fuckers, could be like the new Rhinox/Bulkhead or something, seems like a gentle giant is actually dangerous.
>>151639036was this not the Japanese continuation?That being said, I have mixed feelings about BW continuing because you have the choice of being goofy again like Wild King or keeping Machine's tone and spiritual story-line.I didn't like Wild King, but I know it's for people who treat TF like Go Go. There is no story, only antics and fun. Which is not bad, just not something I want to watch. But Wild King is doing extremely well for Japan.
>>151639121Wild King's show i find less engaging and harder to watch cause Takara decided to region lock but toy wise its a step in the right directioni feel like if you took the plot and cast of Cyberworld but tossed in the Wild King gimmick and had toys of the same quality, then you'd have a genuine recipe of success. this is why we need co-development, i think a truly great series could've come from both concepts merged together to become something everyone could enjoy and appreciate.
>>151639010>Bleh, who cares.I do. From the designers notes on Starbase Rugby and Colony Omicron (Depth Charge's turf), these place were settled by both bots and humans...until Rampage ate everyone.>I can see him being overly dramatic. The Preds co-rule the planet, afterall.Doubt it considering that most Predacons were not pleased with the fact that the Maximals were the ones in charge and they saw the Tripedacus Council to be kowtowing to the Maximal Elders (even though the TC was doing everything to mastermind a way to create an opening to hit the Maximals at the right moment).So they weren't co-ruling Cybertron and from Dinobot's tone in that one episode where team Primal thought they obliterated the Preds, most Maximals didn't seem to be so open minded about a Pred joining them unlike Primal.>>151639036Would like a Convoy based off that one New Zeland prehistoric man-eating eagle that went extinct a long time ago.
>>151639237Well, I base it partly off the comics, where they co head the Committee for State Affairs.Also remember that the Tripredacus Council weren't actually Preds, just using them as tools.
>>151638091I fucking HATE the thirteen primes shit so much.
>>151638769It's not about selling toys or even making anything normal boys would want to see.As a matter of fact, the people in charge hate little boys and children in general. But mostly boys, they just hate little boys, and want to harm them and poison their minds.That is a fact.
>>151639321Stop drinking the kool aid, wacko.
>>151639331Name 3 shows aimed at little boys and boys only that don't have an under current of "boys are stupid" or they are simply pushed to the side. I'll wait.
>>151638966>what are the relationships between the Beast Era cybertronians and humansIn the show, it's very vaguely implied to be not very good. Earth's space was declared off-limits.
>>151639361Yes Anon, theres a deep conspiracy to undermine the male gender and force them to be subservient to women, where they're all kept in caves on Mars and milked for semen.
>>151608343Those eyes are uncanny.
>>151639371Where is it shown?The show and none of the comics set after the OG show gloss about human X cybertronian politics.
>>151608343Doesn't Kirkman want the Energon Universe adapted into animation?
>>151639511it's going to happen, they annouced it last month they were beginning production on it. https://deadline.com/2025/10/energon-universe-adult-animated-series-joe-henderson-1236592776/
>>151639463>Where is it shown?Depth Charge's debut. He enters what's implied to be Earth's solar system and is warned the area is forbidden, before he gets sent back in time.Again, it's all very vague, but it's clear the Maximals aren't hanging out with humans like the Autobots used to.
>>151639463>When Depth Charge first enters Earth's solar system, he is informed by his ship's navi-computer that the area was declared off-limits by order of the High Council. This particular bit of backstory was never fully explained on the show, but was spelled out by the story editors' posts on the Internet: Earth is off-limits because of some undecided-upon catastrophe, as well as to protect it from time-altering thieves like Megatron.
>>151608343>>151608374
>>151639560>>151639600Hmmmmm.Wasn't it more about that the Maximal Elders forbid that due to Transwarp tech and the whole time-travel shenanigans?And considering what Beast Megs planned to do, that would also be a possibility.
ok here's a question, if you were to actually take any characters or ideas from this show you actually wanna see revisted what exactly do you think could be redone better of the new characters - Aftermath and Jawbreaker are my picks. Aftermath is genuinely a fun character, asshole delinquent kid, i just wish they did more with him being like a son to Breakdown (fucked up they never see each other again) and Jawbreaker can just easily be one of the Dinobots. Of the humans I'd probably like to see Dot, Alex and Mandroid tried again. Dot is a soldier, so easy one. keep Alex as the historian and Mandroid really needs a do over, like actually flesh him out, the idea of a human who suffered in the crossfires going mad is a great idea but they don't do anything with it beyond he's evil, racist and crazy. redesign/reinterpretations: Nova Storm's black and yellow colour scheme is a must. personally for me i'd probably bring back female Skywarp and Frenzy (i explained my reasoning for why in the thread earlier), Mirage essentially being Multiple Man is another. Breakdown should have that alt mode again, goddamn thats such a cool design. voice castings: a lot of the VAs definitely deserve another go in the franchise, some already were in the beforehand but if i had to pick actual reprisals i do want them to do again. Troy Baker as Shockwave and Mirage he did a great job as them both. Troy would rock as a more Marvel styled Shockwave and his Mirage was fun, they actually cooked with him despite shitting the bed everywhere else in the finale. Nolan North as Swindle is another, probably my favourite Swindle voice after the late Fred Willard. Cissy Jones as Elita is another really perfect casting choice i wouldn't mind hearing again. I hope Vanessa Marshall and Aaron Laplante get a proper role in the future, they were "additional voices only" unfortunately. LaPlante in particular i think would make a truly terrifying Unicron if he did his Omen voice from Samurai Jack.
>>151640101I like the idea of Mandroid hacking his body up, his hatred of robots so strong he starts losing his humanity and becoming what he loathes.
>>151640201that was genuinely great, he became the very thing he swore to destroy. I also loved how he died thinking he won in killing all the Transformers on Earth, i can't believe they undid it and he's just alive again and just rotting in a prison cell, that's lame.
>>151640101Spitfire with Zelda as her VA. She's such a good pick and a perfect 'friendship doesn't always win' character. Honestly, Twitch and Spitfire being the new Sunstreaker and Sideswipe would be fun. Twin sisters but bitter
>>151608343Really putting the Trans in TRANSformers
>>151640352you know what yes. Twitch and Spitfire having this actual sibling rivalry of sorts would be great, like a Sonic and Shadow rivalry, and yeah Zelda was great as her. the voice cast really carried the show hard cause it sure as fuck was not the writing.
>>151637470kinda fucked up, 30 year old character and this is the first time he's ever actually done anything.
>>151640641He was in IDW1, too. And the old non-canon Alignment story.
>>151639560>>151639371Its entirely unintentional, but it lines up perfectly with BWII having the Earth be a wasteland thanks to experimenting with Algolmois/Unicron's energy
>>151616579Me.
>>151640796Thank you for your service
>>151608374>>151639766what makes it worse is that this is the result of the art style just being sinfully ugly. They look just fine when done by competent artists.
>>151641286Same thing with Prime as well
>>151641317The Street Action Team was kinda wasted on Armada.
>>151608374The art style in general for the show is ugly imo
>>151641286That's just tranime mashing everyone into homogeneous sludge as usual, jack of all trades master in none
>>151641286RiD mom being included was unexpected dedication.Shows up in Episode 1 and gets maybe 1 gasp as her husband is kidnapped on live television. I don't even think she talks
>>151641663>RiD mom being included was unexpected dedication.Indeed she was but I also wished they were showed her as well. She was hot and funny too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ3dIULuuPo
>>151641612>tl: I'm a massive faggot
>>151639372I accept your concession.
>>151642257Optimous prime with human mouth is blasphemy.
>>151641713should've had a gag where she keeps riding in cars from different red cars from various generations. G1 Road Rage, Hot Rod, Knock Out, RiD15 Sideswipe
>>151642268Indeed, Optimus Prime, Soundwave and even wheeljack showing their mouths is what's kinda ruined their unique designs for me personally. It's part of the reason that I have taste for transformers who has mouthplats, which I wish there were transformers who was just born with them as part of their persona instead of them been just a battle masks.
>>151642268>>151642590I'd almost be ok with the mouths(would still prefer not to see it) if they at least had unique faces. Make prime look older, make Soundwave more strange and mechanical under it like he's less humanlike , Wheeljack kinda funky looking like his Animated/ Cyberverse mustache. but instead they usually end up being pretty samey faces except for Wheeljack.
>>151635107Japan thinks that TF belongs to the same category as kiddie shit like beyblade and bakugan so we will never have a serious TF show coming from them
>>151642268>>151642590please don't tell me that you also get your panties in a knot when Megatron isn't a gun
>>151642911That was the case historically, but after so many failed attempts and their only decent success being as a nostalgia franchiser I think they're changing their minds. Real issue is Takara has nomoney to fund it by themselves.
>>151642973pretty big difference there, the mouth just looks uncool.
>>151642268
>>151641612better than her official look
>>151642590for some reason, mouthplates strike me as the Cybertron equivalent of big bushy beards
>>151608343How much of ya'll are open for a live action Transformers movie produced by Seth Rogen based on his recent comic book related work that serves as a continuation to Michael Bay's movies that retcons The Last Knight with the music score composed by Tom Holkenborg?It's honestly more inspired than having a Trigger animated series based on the IP to be frank. Just do something nuts and with the music making you wanna Live & Learn.
>>151643441No the bay era just need to die for good
>>151643441Transformers needs to stop being embarrassed about itself like cyberworld and maybe it can actually have financial success.Bee and RotB let themselves have some cheese but not nearly enough to win audiences over.>>151643454>he doesn't know
>>151643454Its coming back though, something better than what the last live action movie did, and we don't need fucking Mid in Transformers anymore>>151643441Fuck yeah I need this shit, Junkie XL doing Transformers is a match made in heaven
>>151643441I think Seth Rogen should be killed.
>>151643441I genuinely cannot understand how people think a Trigger animated series is even possible. Trigger uses CGI robots in shows that are mostly "teens walking around and talking", there is no way they would be up for animating a show that is mostly detailed robotical action unless they made super stylized cartoony robots akin to TFA.
>>151643680Has that ever worked? Also, ew, Xenoblade.
>>151642973>you want unique heads to remain unqie!? Bet you want megatron always as a gun!
>>151643949Geewunners are often predictable like that. They also get butthurt when Optimus is a long nose truck instead of flat nose truck
>>151637199megop shippers are a greedy, powerful group wherein the main draw is the yaoi cocaine of "but their love can never be"their influence is only strengthened by the source material's refusal to have them kiss.myself, i don't like megatron. if i had to choose, i'd rather optimus utilize his talents on a person he can steer or control, to put his large hand on the back of their neck and discipline/praise them. megatron gets portrayed as a dom top way too often for that.
>>151643972do they also try to stir shit up for (you)s
>>151643441
>>151641580Someone looked at this Optimus and said"Ya know what, this art style gonna work GREAT in 3D!"I don't think there's been a bad-at-all-angles Prime, for at least a hot minute.
>>151644215Evergreen designs were a mistake.
>>151643867They want to do it 80's accurate clearly
>>151639766they look like racist /pol/ caricatures
>>151635616the eagle maximal that is part of Magnaboss is Silverbolt(not the bird dog, it's the G1 aerialbot that assumed a beast mode)
>>151615577>toy shilling>in a franchise made to sell toysextensive CIA surveillance has confirmed that bears do indeed, shit in the woods.
>>151638613Id argue shows like the Powerpuff girls were targeted towards boys with the action elements. Also little girls love action hero girls, just look at the popularity of winx toys
>>151644215The designs for all the bots just looks so generic. It's like the designers took the idea of 'shape language' and completely ran with it. The bright color scheme doesn't help either, transformers benefits much more from more muted colors imo
>>151642590Wheeljack should always sound like he's from Brooklyn
>>151644215is this the ugliest Optimus design the franchise has ever produced? i saw him without his face mask and he looks even worse
>>151646491The last knight OP is a close contender
>>151641612>bro a modern g1 artstyle is bad actually
>>151646491It's wonky in terms of proportions but it it's inoffensive It's probably the worst show optimus though, Energon's standard mode is the biggest competitor but it's cleaned up for the show and the supermode is cool
>>151646928He looks like he kiss human female.
>>151642268>There is a mouth behind the mouthguard?!?
>>151625344I would've believed Schloder not telling Olive about her mom if she was a little kid or something. But then you wouldn't have the whole plot happening in the first place.
>>151608343Many such cases
>>151644622not in Beast Wars II, totally different guys make up Magnaboss there.
>beast wars doesn't have human characters no cavemen don't count >it remains the best transformers showthe transformers should be the humans, we don't need a human character to "relate" to
>>151643260there's something so charming about those G1 storybooks like this, corny but insanely charming.
>>151648524It was a bold decision to have 0 focus on humans in the first half of Cyberverse despite it taking place on Earth but I guess that was more of a budget restriction
>>151648723I remember when I first looked at this book, I couldn't figure out what was off about Prime until it hit me. He's has a mouth through the whole thing but it was this pic where you really notice it.
>>151643260What is Soundwave doing in the bushes?
>>151649119Eeeeeeeeeevesdropping
I want toys of these
>>151608343>Even TFHypeGuy can't get hyped at all for this.He found positives to say about Rise of the Beasts. Let that sink in.
>>151649186Mirage being the best part of both.
>>151649154There are still no toys of the Megatron design from the commercials and marvel comics?
>>151649308None that include a big ass car for him to drive in
>>151649325wasted opportunity when they made action masters
>>151649308shattered glass Megatron
>>151649186To be fair his gimmick account was created because ROTB kept getting delayed so he’s attached to it.
>>151648801there was one human who appeared onscreen a little boy inside a car that passes by Bumblebee and Windblade, i'm more amazed they bothered to create a character model that would only be used once and for like 5 seconds.
>>151649325Pimpdaddy Megs
>>151646567No, people actually want to fuck that one. And not a small number either, Paramount promotes the movies with thirst.Only delusional tumblr queers like ES OP
New Skybound chapter dropped
>>151649712It's a little more than Tumblr queers, the show was liked across the fandom until the sudden shift after season 2. Honestly it's just another victim of the writing and animation strike. The animation in the second season was switched to the same studio who did Megamind and the Doom Syndicate
>>151649863>It's a little more than Tumblr queers, the show was liked across the fandomWrong on every level, only retards like TJOmega watch that shit
>>151649430that's just a repaint. The prototype megs design has a different helmet shape and the cannon is handheld instead of being attached to his arm
>>151649773What a great issue. Feels like a great stopping point as it doesn't end on a cliffhanger but a Cliffjumper.
>>151649773hope someone storytimes it real soon
>>151650043Ratchet looks like real goner, I hope Hoist will become the new autobot doc
>>151649895damn I used to watch him before he went all damage control over the chuds dunking on ES because of the non-binary shit
I just want a sequel to Transformers one man>>151646959Maybe if you ask nicely
>>151650245>I just want a sequel to Transformers one man
Blokees is the most exciting thing that's happened with Transformers, why don't they make a show about action masters?
>>151650843Action Masters as a concept didn't click for a reason back then, it lost the essence of what made Transformers unique the transforming part. this isn't shade on Blokees but i don't think you can support a whole show on second party product.
>>151608343This was the first transformers show after Cyberverse to show the end of the war and the reunification of the two side with the added cool shit of having Megatron be a good guy total Vegeta style. This show will always be super cool for that alone.
>>151651047what reunification of both sides? only Megatron and i guess Breakdown switched but thats it and even Megatron's whole character was undone in the final moments.
>>151646082i agree, i find it odd how little they actually do it, the only times we've had New Yorker Wheeljack since were Devastation which is literally Sunbow (Chris Swindle is doing a spot on voice match to Chris Latta) and WFC Trilogy (Bill Rogers is a New Yorker and shockingly sounds good for it despite WFC Trilogy being shit)
>>151644113Hey Seth Rogen doing transformers can do wonders, it's better than having an anti-union prick like Chilly Tee involved
>>151651047>end of the war Sure, if you count not even showing anything interesting aside from "well i guess the Autobots won but our planet and species are still doomed">reunification of the two sidesMegatron dropping the Decepticons after a strong black woman somehow convinced him that genocide was bad while every other con doesn't give a shit and only Breakdown switched last minute, isn't "reunification". That's not even a truce.>cool shit of having Megatron be a good guy total Vegeta styleDon't compare my man Vegeta to Megatraitor. Vegeta had a whole character arc that was explored and built up, Megatron had none of that and him being a good guy is fucking lame horseshit. Even Hasbro realized how ass it was to the point where he just gets his memory erased and now he's evil again.
>>151649154That car is a Deceptacon: Name him.
>>151649308That's what he looks like in transformers one.
>>151652656Wideload
>>151652656i think there's an actual Decepticon with that alt-mode called Drive-By
>>151652630i think one of Earthspark's biggest problems is that its basically a sequel series to a show that didn't exist like a BM, Energon or RID2015 but honestly worse because we never really got to know the characters, they just expect you to know them from the get go. I think ES Megatron being a good guy might've actually gone down better if we actually saw the arc that showed him becoming better and earning it instead of, he's been good for the past 15 years but his arc and development happened offscreen and unshown. i still feel like i don't even know what was the deal with everyone, like why every Decepticon took is personally that Megatron became an Autobot here even the guys that should be loyal to him.
>>151652851Animated did this by having propoganda in the first 10 seconds that contextualize the war and where they're at.It would have been so much better for the series if it did just that. Make Alex a speaker at a school about the war (and possibly announce it being his last day on the job), cut to the kids moving out of their home, and then start the series the way it did. Or just cut after his lesson. Because it's a mix of continuities and only the writers seem to know which one is canon
>>151652851You're spot on that ES feels like it's supposed to be a sequel to something else. The show just feels empty, like the writers made it without considering that maybe you shouldn't be jumping several years into a future where we don't get to see any of the events that led to it or Megatron's character development being completely off-screen.Like how did things even get to this point? Why did Megatron switch sides after millions of years and just dump his entire cause and army? Why are the Autobots fine with having their ancient enemy just roam free? The only thing the story gave me was unanswered questions and now the show dead in a ditch.
>>151652851What's amazing is it be the simplest flash back stories to write that people would eat up>get Megs badly injured and compromised like he was in the Japanese series or IDW>have someone else run the Decepticons in this window (Galvatron, Scorponok, etc)>he has to rely on humans to save him>he gets to see the war from the other side and begins to understand how wrong headed his ideas were >perhapes he even witness the human equivalent of him do awful shit >coverts to the AutobotsEasy two parter that everyone would watch and engage in.
>>151652851>>151652916What's spectacularly bad is the writers claim that it's the canon continuation of G1 and that everything after Season 2 never happen.
Skybound unintentionally slamming earthspark.
>>151652916yeah exactly>>151653118>>151653127as i said earlier in the thread according to Dot's VA there was supposed to be an episode where we would've been shown how they met and all that, i wanna know why the fuck they scrapped an actually good episode idea that people actually would've wanted to see. I'd certainly rather have this over an episode where they try to get a comic book or deal with the retconnned daughter of Croft.
>>151653177>canon continuation of G1There's no way the writers were that delusional
>>151653203that is literally the funniest bit of timing possible. i know Kirkman was more likely writing a jab at IDW than EarthSpark but still.
>>151653203hope earthspark flopping means we never see "good guy" Megatron ever again, a terrible ass concept
>>151653221You watched the show correct? Even if you ignore the producers described it as "G1.5" and their statements that the 86 movie onward "were a mistake" The first several episodes spell out that this world is built of of the original Season 1 and 2 of the cartoon.
>>151653284that might explain why they did Hot Rod the way they did.though at the same time, one of the lead character designers is a big Hot Rod fag (he wrote Last Bot Standing after all)
>>151653284new anon.I didn't watch this show, did they really say that?
>>151653205They should've had that be an ep in season 1 and maybe the show could've been salvageable. It probably got cut due to the previous writers getting fired and replaced.
>>151653322we had the Warzone episode and its one of the better episodes but it still was held back by the fact they removed the entire subplot with Soundwave, Ravage and Starscream in the GHOST jails which cause them to repeat the same footage a lot in the episode.
Giant planet spotted
>>151653337I wish they gave an explanation to why they chose to make the series worse every. single. step. of the process
>>151653284Sounds like the ES writers were nutjobs that wanted their fix-it fanfic to be canon>>151653308ES is the worst Hot Rod has ever been treated, i feel bad for the artist since yeah, Nick is a Hot Rod/Rodimusfag and he's written some decent stuff during IDW
>>151653386damn the first acknowledgement in 20 years in other media>>151653399i'm sure next year there's gonna be a TFCon/BotCon/TFNation panel about what we went wrong with Earthspark like what Rik Alvarez did with Prime after it ended. someone is gonna spill the beans sooner or later with what really went on behind the scenes. >>151653407I'm kinda shocked they didn't actually let Nick write an episode. i mean if you got him on art duty, why not?
>>151653284It's strange to me how many series want to be either a prequel or sequel to a G1 Season 1/2 set up but we've never gotten an actual proper reboot of that status quo. Autobots and Decepticons leave Cybertron in search of energy Modern day Earthweekly battlesstill in disguise(yes I know they were public in the G1cartoon but they still had some attempts)classic characters
>>151653284>t the 86 movie onward "were a mistake"This is 100% correct. Outside of Beastwars and Bayverse the transformers brand was basically dead.
>>151653546Nick is too competent of a writer compared to the ES crew, it would stand out a lot but i also think Nick is better at writing darker storylines and ES was tonally immature despite it pretending to "subversive"
>>151653589the funny thing is, Hasbro apparently refuses every single pitch that is exactly that. even weirder is how Skybound basically is now doing that and we will get the EU show in the near future.
>>151653221https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5miocVDJBwk
>>151653659The unicorn trilogy made a LOT of money, especially Armada. People overlook it these days but Armada was apparently more successful than Beast Wars.
Are the IDW comics a good read? After watching tf one I want to get back into it, I used to love watching prime as a kid
>>151653711i remember everyone at the time when this premiered was so impressed by the animation but they just like traced all these iconic G1 frames. kinda fucked up this is the only time Gears has appeared in animation post G1 and its just for this pandering fanservice
>>151653729They were solid enough for a while other furman making arcee trans and galvatrons brotherAfter he left it got worse and worse especially with amount of gayshit and everyone treating optimus like dogshitThen it was rebooted and cannedRead skybound instead,its ongoing and easier to findIt has soul and it even manages to integrate gi joe well into the story despite weird timescaleCobra commander mini and void rivals are really good too
>>151653719i'm a Unicron Trilogy kid, discovered Armada at age 9 in 2003 when it aired on YTV, then i got my first Transformer toy as Energon Rodimus in 2004 and in 2005 Cybertron came out and the rest was history, following it up with the first live-action Transformers film helped a lot and Animated and of course Beast Wars/Machines reruns too.
>>151653811>They were solid enough for a while other furman making arcee trans and galvatrons brotherwhile Furman did make Arcee trans, cause he just wanted her to be the only fembot. Arcee and Galvatron being siblings was the result of John Barber who decided to double down on the trans stuff with Arcee.
>>151653729IDW comics range from "Okay and entertaining" to abysmal dogshit. It's also a mess with tons of plotholes due to multiple writers trying to do their own thing. You should check out Skybound's Transformers comics since it's still new and pretty straightforward.
>>151653729You know when a writer absolutely despises a certain character, and stops at nothing to ruin the plot other people have built up?Do that every storyline. If you like them, congrats. If not, enjoy storylines that range from horrendous to midly entertaining
>>151653263>Not reading/liking Lost Light.
>>151653963nta but Cyclonus' character alone is worth burning every issue.Remove Tailgate, put emphasis on Skids, actually make Getaway almost succeed, and combine Drift with Whirl and it would actually be the best.
>>151653851the tfwiki used to gush over Barber and how he would tie up plot holes
>>151653963i liked early MTMTE, i like IDW Megatron but his redemption was such a tough pill to swallow given how genocidal he was. its not perfect but up until the end of Dying of the Light, it was a solid run. its just afterwards in the Lost Light rebranding, it just lost what made it good, just became JRo pandering to his new tumblr groupies that would flock all over him at cons. IDW is a mixed bag for me, high highs but insanely low lows, i just want the good shit kept and throw the rest of it out.
>>151653819It's sad that the importance of RiD 2001 and Armada are very looked over thanks to being between BW and the bay movies which were two of the biggest changes in the franchiseI love BW, it's my series, but due to coming out of a 9 year ole between the end of the G1 cartoon and G2's failure overall, it had a long climb out the hole. It's success shouldn’t be discounted, but something like Beast Machines underperforming almost had the line cancelled And then RID ended up so successful that it guaranteed the line would stick around for another year and did so well they had to run it longer. Armada did so well it lead to a whole second line in Universe which expanded the footprint on store shelves and is why a G1 toy revival even happened.The movies would not have happened if the line died after BM.
>>151653546And I believe that's the beast planet
>>151653963I read MTMTE and the Lost Light, MTMTE was fine but Lost Light fucking awful. Characters were flanderized or just turned to "le quippy funny losers", Rodimus was even more annoying somehow, Megatron as an Autobot was and always will suck donkey balls, mutiny arc was a rushed disappointment, and Rung being god was astronomical retardation. Roberts got too high on his own hype and it was a shitshow.
>>151654047Tarn alone was his best idea and design. Absolutely the best character and arc that defines the worst of the cause.The downside, JRO is obsessed with preening for his fangirls. I'm glad Tarn dies. Because he'd unfortunately be reformed if he lived or worse, gets the Nickel treatment. Worse art, a shipping bait interest, and not that bad, actually. Even though on Tarn's ship, she was picking organs from mulched bots with 0 remorse.
>>151653811Ah yeah I heard about that. I guess they tried to figure out a reason for why female cybertronians exist (it's not like they give birth or anything), but that sounds terrible, I would rather no explanation at all. Or maybe Primus just thought women are cool, idk
>>151654012Tailgate should've died instead of Skids. Wtf was Roberts thinking with Nautica erasing her memories, literally a pointless storyline that went nowhere. Getaway was completely wasted just because Roberts got asshurt some readers agreed about not forgiving Megatron. Not to mention those two useless troon transformers that nobody liked and only existed to bloat the cast.
>>151653759Even Cybertron is traced from G1.
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>>151653589Isn't that basically the Bay movies?
>>151654214Tailgate should've had his fate be burried alive after FAFO'ing. like it was perfect cause he was found in a hole, so him dying in a hole is pottery.
>>151654304This. Tailgate had the perfect death opportunity but Roberts pussied out because the Cygate shippers were crying about it.
>>151654097Lost Light really off. They grafted a quirky spaceship show onto a franchise that had nothing to do with that shit. It's like they really didn't want to write Transformers
>>151654515Roberts definitely wanted to write Red Dwarf and Doctor Who with his Transformers comic, which i don't hate in theory but it did get obnoxious how much the actual plot didn't really matter. i felt like Milhouse with the fireworks factory when it came to Cyberutopia. so little progress happens towards it at a reasonable pace, then you get a big discovery and then ignored again for a while.
>>151634994>The lead writer for TFA was Marty IsenbergDid you know he wrote an ES episode? it's the only enjoyable episode from that show too.
>>151654073That can't be right Universe launched only 6 months after Armada released. Production times wouldn't add up, more so back then, even with just redecos it would take at least 10 months to go from concept to store shelf. Do you mean RiD2001 success? The way that toy line was handled it was a protoform of Universe.
>>151654577>but it did get obnoxious how much the actual plot didn't really matter.
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>>151656007Armada was successful enough from the jump that they had to bring in the Transmetal redecoes as line filler.You're right that universe was leading up from the RiD redeco line that lasted after the main line ended too. I guess the middle route would be to say armada's orders were strong out the gate due to RiD succeeding which lead to Universe being approved and rolled out to meet demand.
>>151654073It's all strange when you think about itAfter Beast Wars success the brand was getting more and more away from traditional robots in disguise alt modes of plans and cars and was getting more future tech- until Beast Machines bombed so hard they canned Transtech and swap in RiD 2001 whuch sold very well and Armada through Cybertron's success ensured the live action movie getting made and that year gap between the last TV series and movie is the only reason Hasbro dabbled with modern G1 style toys (Classics) and they sold better than all previous series from the 2000s, making them lean more into G1 era products even with the Movie toys around. Basically the major reason we have been trapped in a near 25 years G1 being redone over and over again was a mix of Beast Machines failing and production of the live action movie not lining up right with the last toy series ending.
>>151639371Something happened with Angolmois on earth at some point as said with >>151640759But seemingly humanity did actually manage to eventually crack a way to purify or otherwise utilize the stuff safely as a last "Fuck you" to Unicron further into the future.They do still seem to know eachother an interact though, it's just that since it's no longer a "Fate of two worlds" situation and you had shit like the Cybertronians cracking how to make replica matrixes we tend to focus more on various isolated military commanders by the Beast era in Japan who don't have a lot of reason to be interacting with humans at the moment.
>>151608374>>151639766>>151641286There was a theory floating around, given that if you pay attention the daughter is in a completely different design style, that she at least was a leftover model scrapped from an early production change that they just never fucking updated and just upscaled it. The son at least looks mostly human just with some obvious "Was the goal to be racist" visual traits, and most of the other humans mostly look fine, but the girl is just an inexplicably out of scale bug eyed bobblehead mutant unlike every other human character.
>>151639371>>151639463>>151639560Since the Vok are in BW, that would tie the show to the G2 era comic where billions of humans died and Duke made it clear to Optimus when he was leaving earth that all Transfomers would be seen as a threat to the planet from now on. So it's likely even after 300 years their relationship would still be questionable/awful. Then again, the BW show also had ties to the 86 movie and the UK comics so who the fuck knows what the actual canon is.
>>151653963Lost Light is trash. MTMTE is trash after issue 40 or so.
>>151657267Lost Light was certainly the breaking point for me. The Dying Light arc was bad but I at least could stomach why it was happening. The OC shit and over the top magic shit in the first story of Lost Light killed me. More so when the only decent story beat of a person grief over a dead friend was undone so quickly it made the whole story pointless. I just pack it up, if he was fucking up such a simple story for OC garbage no one ask for there was no way a good story was coning out of that series. I -might- have check back in if a new writer happen but I'm not sure that was was salvageable.
For me? It's the Scavengers.
>>151649186Rise of the Beasts is a fine movie.
>>151652656Big Haul...no, wait. That would be more fitting for one turning into a massive military truck.
>>151657152Man, that's convoluted...
>>151608343The only people who liked it were mentally ill transpeople.
>>151612576Nightshade was a mistake. Just like the people who like that thing.
>>151617482Nightshade and the writers bringing in the pronouns thing to 7 year old black children.The whole show is just a psyop to make black kids gay and weird.Then they tried to double it back with another Nightshade meets a tumblr girl episode.Nightshade IS poison but so are transpeople in these creative spaces
>>151617865Mae Cat hates white men and said it all the time on her Tiwtter. Transmissions is also the most faggot ass group of people in the Transformers fandom.
>>151617865Mae Cat hates white men and said it all the time on her Tiwtter. Transmissions is also the most faggot ass group of people in the Transformers fandom. >>151620826> Hire mentally ill people to write a show for your million dollar franchise> Mentally ill people inject their own mentally ill lifestyle into it> Mentailly ill people have a breakdown and cost you millions across the show, toys, and video games.> Mentally ill people should be given these jobs.
>>151657587More of just sharing the weirdness of Beast Wars lore. It's not directly attached to any one timeline for how certain episodes go.
>>151608467>Transformers One is troonslopThey literally unite and execute the jewbot that was circumcising all the cybertronians for profit and give everyone their cyberforeskins back.
>>151653729Personally anything after those fantastic Windblade issues with Sarah Stone's art is shit. Can't say much of what came before but things like Furman writing doesn't make it look better.
>>151658183>best artist since Milne>quits because their pronouns don't match>proceeds to play the ultimate trans/pronoun magnet mmo game of all timeWell I'm glad she's not, you know, dead. But. Windblade went seriously downhill when she left.
>>151608467>"Mom, look, i used the naughty words on 4chan, get the camera!!!"
>>151656888Does anyone know how well Prime did in terms of sales?Because that was going concurrently with Generations, but then the follow ups started dialing things down. The lines got cheaper and more kiddyfied like Robots in Disguise (2015) and Cyberverse
>>151639371Earth was declared off-limits because a lot of important TF history takes place there and any bumfuck spaceship can be made time-travel-capable by slapping a transwarp cell into it.It's, like, the main plot of Beast Wars. BW Megatron is the exact example of why Earth is a no-fly zone.>>151657587>>151657152>so who the fuck knows what the actual canon is.We actually know EXACTLY what universe Beast Wars takes place in: its own.Beast Wars is not a sequel to any particular G1 story. It's a separate continuity that reuses ideas from multiple previous sources, as well as adding in its own unique details. NA Beast Wars (+NA BM) takes place in universe Primax 496.22 Alpha.
>>151658499relatively poorly, which is why they changed things to keep making the Line Go Up.TFP (or maybe rather TF sales as a whole, headlined by Prime s the mainline at the time) did better than the pre-movie lines of the 2000's, but Hasbro and thus the investors expected them to make more profit which was not going to happen between the network being a smaller, satellite based one and the movies waning in popularity after 2011. It's part of the reason why I'd argue the movies were a double edged thing because it meant Hasbro expected to make that much profit and not understand trends and fads.
>>151653931I miss Pharma I hope to see another rendition of him in TF media sometime.
>>151658887plus, you know
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where is skybound bread?>>151658905which con did this come from
>>151658977TFcon Charlotte 2015
>>151657618This.>>151612576kek
>>151658860>We actually know EXACTLY what universe Beast Wars takes place in: its own.Oh right. It's vaguely mostly connected to G1.
