Villains whose motives are hard to find fault in and arguably better than the hero’s
Same with Jonas who did everything for a world of peace, love and superscience!
>>151613401>full on medieval sword what kind of side swords were Scandinavians using at the time?
>>151613401Han's actions make absolutely no sense as the villain of Frozen.
>>151613412Pic unrelated
>>151613401I mean, he just wanted to get paid
>>151613480He wanted to be a king, and a just, famous and fair one. Elsa was too busy having a mental breakdown and letting her peasants starve and didn't even apologize for the dead.Only thing missing from her was shouting "let them eat cake!"
>>151613412I do feel like if the series went on Jonas would've been revealed to be more "sympathetic" if only because he'd end up being another step in a long line of privileged but abused Venture sons who's no better than Rusty but also no worse.
>>151613598Same and honestly it would have been a cool story.
He did it all for his people and was betrayed
>>151613523No dumbass.Hans could literally have been king if he just let those Weasleton retards kill Elsa instead of rescuing her like a fucking dumbass.
>>151613523he left an innocent girl to die
>>151613828She didn't give a shit about her people and was willing to sacrifice them all for the sake of her family. She had it coming>>151613807He wanted to commit as little bloodshed as possible
>>151613455straight swords but with this style of hilt during the 30 years war period, idk when frozen takes place, half a century later give or take?
>>151613859Hey retard, he literally had to shed no blood to get what he wanted and ended up trying to shed blood any way. The only one dumber than Hans is you for thinking he was anywhere in the right.
>>151613859it's anna you braindead retard, you need to get elsa out of your head
>>151614012>it's anna you braindead retard, you need to get elsa out of your headExactly, Anna didn't care about her people any more than Elsa did. They are shitty rulers and deserved the Romanov treatment.
>>151613523what legitimacy would he even have there? Like, he can't just fucking steal the kingdom, the rest of the nobles wouldn't go for it. Marrying Anna was a good play, but he fucking scuppered that like a retard
>>151614012I'm not listening to the risen dead. I'm waiting to have what I want. Did your classes on the homo sapien skip the part about a dish served cold? Or is it all the radioactive decay they garnish your lunch with?Rozalin is my limit. On that subject bikini beauty pageant. Whoever wins you lose.
Pic related did NOTHING wrong>>151614052>what legitimacy would he even have thereHe was going to become the King, then become a widow after Anna or Elsa suffered an "accident" from a crossbow bolt to the back of the head.Then he would marry again and live a charmed life. Did you even watch the movie?
>>151613480He has a pretty sad backstory in the novels, makes supplementary media look excessively tone-deaf with blithering hatred of him
>>151613960Go frolick in the woods with your ice creatures, elsa lmao
LolLmao>>151613523>just>fairBeing enough of a bitch nigga to resort to weaselly murder means he was going to be a bitch nigga ruler>>151613507>to get paidFor doing what?>>151613803The childish purity of his intentions are overwritten by the hubris that made him ignore the wisdom of others, and then turn to hatred and violenceTwink should have been repeatedly gaped in that jail
>>151613523He radiates Hohenzollern energy.
>>151614299>Being enough of a bitch nigga to resort to weaselly murder means he was going to be a bitch nigga rulerHe was doing a great job protecting the people of Arendelle from the disaster Elsa caused. Even then she made hundreds starve or freeze to death and didn't even apologize.>Twink should have been repeatedly gaped in that jailHe probably was. Fredrick wouldn't tolerate anyone trying to harm his cute daughter. Oh how Varian cried and begged for mercy, saying he would be raped in jail. But Fredrick told him he "should have thought of that" before moving against Corona.
>>151614155The clone clan seemed like a big fuckup to me.
>>151614299>>151614358>Twink should have been repeatedly gaped in that jailDamn, if Fredrick did that to Varian...I can't imagine what was done to Cass for betraying Rapunzel.
>>151614358The blizzard lasted a fucking day. Point to one single death that isn't headcanonAnd I'm not impressed by Hans having the mental might to suggest the most basic stepsThat said I feel weird being on the argumentative point because I really, really hate Elsa too
>>151614299>For doing what?Just getting some raw material for someone’s weapon.
>>151614413>Point to one single death that isn't headcanonIts a Disney movie, of course they wouldn't be blatant about the many families who froze to death because of Elsa's bitch fit.
>>151614405Fred was probably buckbroken by the end of the series what with the mindwipe and other utter failures to control the situation, and Raps solidified control over the kingdom even if he's still technically king. He wouldn't have done shit I think even if his daughter would allow itWhich is moot regardless since Cass dipped before that kind of question could even be asked
>>151613401Catra was right to be bitter, Etheria was a fucked up place
I still fail to see what he did that was so wrong>>151614461>Raps solidified control over the kingdomI want to see what is Rapunzel's tax policy! Also I keep thinking Nigel was trying to weaken the crown way before Rapunzel got back, perhaps even orchestrated her kidnapping with Gothel which is why he's so angry and causes so much trouble to Rapunzel like with the Varian situation.
>>151613930I am extremely autistic about this kind of thing but there aren't enough clues to pin it definately anywhere but the vaguely in the 18th century somewheres.
>>151614450Then I'm sorry my man, by Disney movie logic or not, it was a casualty free event
Their world is so shitty that Zim was doing them a favor>>151614513Why did he seem smarter when he was a human?
>>151614560Although I'd put it during the War of the Austrian Succession 1840-1848.That conflict always read as kind of Disney adjacent to me, the Princess and her One True Love have to do battle with an Evil Gay Man.
>>151614782Which Disney princess is most likely gonna get trampled by a horse mid coitus?
>>151614950That is Maria Theresa of Austia, not Catherine the Great.Although her husband Francis Stephen was something of a stallion, he put 16 babies in her in 19 years.
>>151613598The end seemed to be implying it, with him not actually cucking the Blue Morpho and caring to Rusty enough to do all the clone thing.
>>151615026Austria*
>>151613401Once had a fanfic where he got abducted by aliens and got gang-raped before teaming up with Jim from Treasure Planet and being redeemed by love. Good times.
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>>151613455That's not even the sword from the movie.>>151613523>>151613859>>151614047Literally disproven by every subsequent media showing the sisters as caring, successful, loving and well loved rulers. The sequel specifically ade it clear the people were happy and the kingdom was prosperous and both sisters were frequently celebrating with the general populous. Hell, one song specifically even has the people sing how they live in the "kingdom of plenty" as Else makes gifts for children.>>151614358Nobody died over the one night it took Elsa to learn her powers. Hans' literally could have saved the country by helping them both but instead he attempted to kill them and ruined any chance of getting near the throne. De's lucky he wasn't executed for treason and attempted regicide.So yea, everything you said is objectively wrong.>currently has 3y/o watching movies on repeat
>>151615026Wow, he is quite based. Definitely worth his title
>>151614513Vox did NOTHING wrong!
>>151615615He did what he was told.
>>151615269>Literally disproven by every subsequent media showing the sisters as caring, successful, loving and well loved rulers. The sequel specifically ade it clear the people were happy and the kingdom was prosperous and both sisters were frequently celebrating with the general populous. Hell, one song specifically even has the people sing how they live in the "kingdom of plenty" as Else makes gifts for children.Seems like they overcorrected.
>>151614560Frozen takes place in 1843 while the sequel takes place in 1846.>>151615269It'd be highly unlikely for anyone to die directly as a result of Elsa's outburst considering Arendale is shown to reguarly experience cold, snow-covered winters. The realistic issue would be crop failure from 12+ hours of freezing temps in the middle of July.
>>151616261>The realistic issue would be crop failure from 12+ hours of freezing temps in the middle of July.They didn't show the starvation that happened after the movie. Hence why they have less peasants by Frozen 2
>>151613803He? His? I thought this was the evil chick that people kept posting back when the Tangled cartoon was airing.
>>151613401Hans had better motivations when he became the wolf-demon of Ragnarok.
>>151616261Off by 100 years.How does Arendelle weather the revolutions of 1848?
>>151616347Should have been a giant invisible chameleon.
>>151616331No this is Varian, he tried to fix an issue caused by Rapunzel and kept secret by the King and that was destroying the whole country, but then an accident happened and instead of helping him like she had promised, Rapunzel had him thrown out of the castle in the middle of a blizzard and that caused his father to die.His revenge plot was a surprise but its cool because since his first appearance he showed hints of potential as a villain and went from one of Rapunzel's best friends and a comedic relief character into one of her most dangerous enemies.Also his plan and his song was badass.https://youtu.be/r-PYYaoq0fYI keep thinking Tangled: the Series is underrated
>>151616468We already had Stealth Sneak in the first game.
>>151616488I love that Rapunzel's whole schtick is that she's a magical princess whereas he's all about science and "Glorious Evolution"
>>151613859nigga he was about to impale her with a sword, how does that cause less bloodshed than letting some randoms shoot her for him.
>>151616716He intended to have her die on her own and it would have worked in a painless way but she had to be a bitch. That was his only choice left
>>151614380>The clone clan seemed like a big fuckup to me.Not as much as the Thailog idea
>>151616849I dare say Coyote was just as dangerous
>>151613401This faggot is my favorite Disney Prince, none of the others even come close. Don't redeem him, he's perfect the way he was made
>>151617142Why does Xanatos keep bringing him back with half his face?
>>151617278Agreed, he is fit to play the Game of Thrones.>>151617285Xanatos wants to remind him who is the original.
>>151614047>The sisters were and are irresponsible, he exploited a weakness and would've been an excellent kingA fellow patrician. My nigga. His ego would've made him vulnerable though
>>151616468>invisibleLmao
>>151617298I only ship Hans and Elsa because I love the idea of him exploiting her loneliness/self-hatred to gain control of her powers. He'd wind up leading an ice army by patiently courting her, slowly winning her trust and convincing her that he's the only one who would love a cursed witch
>>151617311Right? I never see them caring about actually ruling>>151617396That'd be so cool to watch
I mean from his perspective was he really in the wrong? His biggest crime is just being a fucking idiot
>>151617396I have a fetish for fictional characters making each other worse
>>151617523Same. I do love characters hurting each other and toxic relationships.
>>151617461He treats books like shit & his most loyal follower as a ragdoll.
>>151617792Stop anon, that only makes him more based!
>>151617792LeFou likes it
>>151617819I'm sorry you're an illiterate masochist!
>>151617461He was honestly just too fucking stupid all things considered, he tried to 1v1 a bear with human intelligence. It's also the town's fault for not telling him how retarded he was and allow him to continue his nonsense.
>>151616331Nope S1 villain. In addition to >>151616488 he returns in S3 with a banger duet with Cassandra about villainy.
>>151617906A shame he recovered too easily from being a villain. That was disappointing.
>>151613401I feel like him turning out evil was a last minute change
>>151613401>>151613523>>151613859I mean, it's true though. Here's your (you)
>>151614254What novels and what's the TL:RD?
>>151615068I always saw Jonas more as a boomer parent than the straight up villainous abusive father that most of /co/ makes him out to be. Boomers didn't keep track of their kids whereabouts because their mindset was that kids need to get into some trouble in order to grow. It is amplified in the series for comedic effect but the underlying worldview is the same.
>>151613412Jonas Sr. seriously makes my skin crawl...
>>151613480Probably because he wasn't even supposed to be the villain. He's the only rational person in the movie up to the last few minutes where he turns into snidely whiplash for no reason at all except for the fact they felt the movie needed a villain in the 11th hour of production.
>>151613401Frozen 2 Confirms Hans could have just won if he waited for Elsa to fuck off then kill Anna when she becomes Queen. Hans is an actual dumbass for telling Anna his plan. That entire part of the movie felt like it was written by another person.
>>151614358What a cute loving family ^v^
>>151616603>Evolution"Which is less science and more entirely unproven quasi eugenecist mysticism
>>151618975It was.They wanted to 1.Push sisterhood...but it was really just dyke shit if you look at the lesbian porn commissioned and pr they pushed to make "let it go" a homo anthem2.Men ain't shit feminist bullshit3.If he wasn't a bad guy, elsa and anna would be rightfully painted as selfish stupid cunts who have no business ruling a kingdom let alone their own lives and that Elsa is evil and dangerous. Can you imagine what it would have been like if Hans was just a good guy at the end and left the kingdom to fold under those two fucking morons?
>>151622109>>151622143His change was a forced last minute decision by the "co-director" and "head writer" posted hereYou know. The one who has all trans and or gay children and promised to queer up all disney media to push the agenda of the shadey unironically evil "investors" of disney?
>>151623656I'd believe it.
>>151613401He's a villain though
>>151622143He was so stupid for that. Just wait. Play along and wait. But no.
>>151625010t. Elsa
>>151619847This interaction would be interesting
>>151613412I go back and forth on if they went too far for his character. I liked the idea of rusty accepting he was a shitty father because he was a worldly guy and parenting was too small a task for him to focus on, but as the viewer we really see just how sociopath and cruel he actually was. i would argue he is more evil than red death. But im not sure if i care for it.
>>151628261Jonas is a shitty parent in a realistic way that is presented outlandishly.
>>151613401>"SUNRIGHT YERROW OVADRAIBU!"
