>wickeds a success
Lol lmao
>when a cartoon that doesnt suck
There was one. Just tried tongoogle it and find it based on the artwork but I can't recognize it. It seemed to follow the books. What i recall succinctly was when they met the wizard they met him one at a time and each of them saw the wizard a different way. Later its revealed he had a whole assortment of mechanical avatars he could swap out between visitors so everyones like
>oh wow i saw thewizard like this. I saw the wizard like that.
But it was good from what i remember.

>>151623867
>There was one
The Wonderful Wizard of Oz?

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>>151624051
It might have been this one

>>151623817
Universal is apparently looking into adapting other Wicked books so a cartoon isn't impossible I suppose

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>>151623817
Wicked doing numbers it's actually the worst case scenario for the original franchise and I don't mean it on a "hurr, popular thing bad" kind of way.

Wicked as a story takes more inspiration from the MGM movie than from the original books, so it being popular reinforces more the idea of MGM version being the "definitive version" of the story. This makes producers and creatives to aim for something more similar to the movie than the original books. Deliberately making it harder for any other adaptation, the closes we've ever got to a proper adaptation was Skottie Young's comics. And that's it.

I mean, there's also that russian movie adaptation that I think premiered last year but nobody cares for modern russian cinema

>>151623817
VERY cute fanart!

>>151625578
I’m surprised Marvel doesn’t want to adapt this as the original books are in the public domain.

>>151623817
Which one would be the gay one?

>>151625578
>jack but no ticktock
Bull shit!

>>151626904
Dorothy

>>151627012
Jack’s just better get good.

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>>151626904
>>151627062
this

>>151626904

We know it would be Elphaba and Glinda.

>>151625578
Best designs, Dorothy is incredibly ugly-cute in this one.

>>151628240
>Elphaba
Wicked ins't canon. In the books the yuri ship is Dorothy/Ozma. It's like S-type yuri, but there's evidence it's there.

>>151628240
She is
>The Wicked Witch of the West
Yes the whole thing
Yes every time
Yes capitalize it

I never read wocked but when it came out i was interested. Then years later the musical and i was like
>huh they made a musical out of THAT?
Then finally the movie came.out and through my wife i discocered what the book was about and i was SOOOOO disappointed it made me depressed.

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>>151627161
Can anyone redraw that with the Marvel designs?

>>151625342
Well any book adaptations of the other Wicked Books would have to be in name only due to how dark Gregory Maguires Books are. A cartoon is plausible.

>>151623817
I want to fuck that lion.

>>151625578
Sitting on a goldmine by not doing a movie on Skottie Young's Oz.

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>>151627012
"The Complete Collection" is actually three volumes.

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>>151632687

>>151632622
>This franchise quickly lost popularity compared to others that kept going like Batman and James Bond. This is why the following books never got serious adaptations

Anon, you're an idiot.

The wizard of Oz was as big as heman and star wars and Harry Potter. It was a block buster of a book. Had radio plays and a traveling theater shows. Their are like 13 books by baum then 26 more after his death. The life and adventures of Santa clause take place in the OZ universe.

You know why no one seriously adapts the others? 2 reasons

1. The wizard of oz books read like shonen Manga. The depth of dialog. The traveling. A little fighting here and there. Its all like shonen. Theh might could get a kids tv show from it but its not really fit for movies.

2. Its extremely lbgt woke. Every interesting observation about life is kond of woke.

You should read the second book and get back to us on why it has never been made into a movie without changing the endinf

>>151632622
>No one gives a fuck about Wizard of Oz besides the first movie based on the first book and even then its because of having new features like a film being in color. And that's really it.
>This franchise quickly lost popularity compared to others that kept going like Batman and James Bond. This is why the following books never got serious adaptations.
This is horse shit. The other books are great. Characters like Ozma and Jack Pumpkinhead are better than the earlier ones imo. Those charactrers and books were successful and had adaptations, but they aren't remembered becuase they were stage productions, etc. Return of the Oz is based on the otherbooks, and I like it better than the MGM film. The other books weren't adapted early part of the century because of rights issues that have since gone away due to time.

>>151632858
The mgm movie was the worst and best thing to happen to OZ.

>>151632841
>You know why no one seriously adapts the others? 2 reasons
>1. The wizard of oz books read like shonen Manga. The depth of dialog. The traveling. A little fighting here and there. Its all like shonen. Theh might could get a kids tv show from it but its not really fit for movies.
No, I think it's because Disney had the film rights tied up forever. They only recently became public domain. Disney gave up on making more Oz films because they are butt hurt about Return to Oz not too dark for kids, but Disney is retarded.

>>151632841
>2. Its extremely lbgt woke. Every interesting observation about life is kond of woke.
I don't know how you can say books from the 1910's are woke. This makes no sense. Maybe they were liberal for their time, and so was Baum, but this is an exaggeration I think unless you have issue with female protags.

>>151632866
>The mgm movie was the worst and best thing to happen to OZ.
There's nothing worst about it. It was just sabotaged unfairly. First, it go attacked by midwit retards like Ebert because it took risks and chose fidelity to source material over being an MGM sequel. Remember, this is the same retard that gave a bad review to John Carpenter's the Thing. Disney of course chopped the legs from out under this movie because they didn't like how dark it was similar to the Black Cauldron.

Anyways, Oz should go back to the Famous 40. I have no interest in Wicked and never will.

>>151632888
>I don't know how you can say books from the 1910's are woke. This makes no sense. Maybe they were liberal for their time, and so was Baum, but this is an exaggeration I think unless you have issue with female protags.

...have you read the books?

I could actually go into this but it would ruin major plot points.

The books a liberal even by modern standards. The woggle bug book is probably the gayest book I've ever read and I say that as someone pro lbgt. The entire book is an illustration of how gender is a construct. The main character falls in love with a dress. He pursues anyone who puts the dress on. Even men. And eventually the dress changes enough that the bug can wear it.

All the books have little things like that. The woggle bug book is just the worst offender and is almost unenjoyable nonsense because of the message it is in service of.

>>151633007
Kinda wanna read these books now

>>151633007
>>151633007
>...have you read the books?
>I could actually go into this but it would ruin major plot points.
>The books a liberal even by modern standards. The woggle bug book is probably the gayest book I've ever read and I say that as someone pro lbgt. The entire book is an illustration of how gender is a construct. The main character falls in love with a dress. He pursues anyone who puts the dress on. Even men. And eventually the dress changes enough that the bug can wear it.
>All the books have little things like that. The woggle bug book is just the worst offender and is almost unenjoyable nonsense because of the message it is in service of.

I don't know what's going on here, but you seem to be applying your transgender ideology bullshit in your brain to a fanciful story that has nothing to do with it because those concepts didn't even exist in the public mindset at that time. Jesus Christ. You do realize that the "gender as a construct" idea wasn't really articulated until the 90's after Butler right? I mean Baum married a 1st wave feminist, so he's puts more emphasis on his female characters, but no I don't think his book about bugs have secret transgender messaging in them. Are you a zoomer or something?

>>151633140
ib4 Ozma changing genders, this is worse than saying Ranma 1/2 is a trans thing

>>151625578
>>151632687
>>151632695
It's kind of weird how IHF's version of Dorothy is a sort of pseudosequel to the Young books (One of Happy End Game's covers references >>151629935) that has her be with TEMU female Johnny Test instead of Ozma if Skottie really wanted to go to that direction.
(And Fluff the World does have art from the series when Gert visits Skottie's house)

>>151633007
>I could actually go into this but it would ruin major plot points.
please do, it's be interesting.

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>>151623867
>>wickeds a success
>Lol lmao
It's true though. Why do you fags insist everything you dislike either is or will be unsuccessful?

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>>151623817

>>151633140
>I don't know what's going on here, but you seem to be applying your transgender ideology bullshit in your brain to a fanciful story that has nothing to do with it because those concepts didn't even exist in the public mindset at that time. Jesus Christ. You do realize that the "gender as a construct" idea wasn't really articulated until the 90's after Butler right? I mean Baum married a 1st wave feminist, so he's puts more emphasis on his female characters, but no I don't think his book about bugs have secret transgender messaging in them. Are you a zoomer or something?

The fucking bug falls in love with a dress.

Dude was married to the daughter of a huge suffragest and big into theater. He knew gays and new how lbgt that premise was. It cant be hand waved.

There is a clear line of dialog that he did not love the women in the dress but the dress. Then later tries to date a man who turns the dress into a kimono.

Its pretty gay.

They tried to ban the Oz books from the Chicago public school system in the 1970s for being too gay.

>>151633796
>please do, it's be interesting.

I'll have to look up my notes from 6 months ago. The books are pretty forgettable over all because as was said, they were pretty much shonen. Its just a group of weirdos going from point A to point B and sometimes they fight. Dialog is dragonball or Naruto level with very few rememberable lines.

I also need to remember how to spoiler posts.

One thing I remember, and this is less inside the books but two of the actors for the tin man and scarecrow were probably gay OR/AND there were fujo shippers that far back because there are some records suggesting a budding comedic snappy back and forth between them via the roaming theater groups doing the first 3 or 4 books across the US. Their interactions were supposedly very 1950s catty.

Apparently so much so that it changed the characters a little bit in the books. There would be more attempts at comedy between the next couple of books.

Thankfully, the real or shipped gay relationship never fully made it into books, so the added comedy dialog just ends up being childish. Baum probably wasnt gay, or if he was gay or bi, wasnt a catty twink, so he just wasnt able to translate that catty back and forth of the theater actors to the books. Small blessings I guess.

There are modern shippers who want the two to be gay for each other, but I dont know if there is a lot of overt support for it. Its mostly from the actors who did the traveling theater shows.

As an aside its kind of funny fujos go that far back. Imagine it being 1900 and some dorky 12 year old is wishing the tinman and scarecrow were dating because they saw two gay men passing quibs at the local auditorium

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The land of oz was communist and ruled by a beautiful teen girl that used to be a boy One passage from the books:

There were no poor people in the Land of Oz, because there was no such thing as money, and all property of every sort belonged to the Ruler. The people were her children, and she cared for them. Each person was given freely by his neighbors whatever he required for his use, which is as much as any one may reasonably desire. Some tilled the lands and raised great crops of grain, which was divided equally among the entire population, so that all had enough. There were many tailors and dressmakers and shoemakers and the like, who made things that any who desired them might wear. Likewise there were jewelers who made ornaments for the person, which pleased and beautified the people, and these ornaments also were free to those who asked for them. Each[31] man and woman, no matter what he or she produced for the good of the community, was supplied by the neighbors with food and clothing and a house and furniture and ornaments and games. If by chance the supply ever ran short, more was taken from the great storehouses of the Ruler, which were afterward filled up again when there was more of any article than the people needed.

>>151636213
>There were no poor people in the Land of Oz, because there was no such thing as money, and all property of every sort belonged to the Ruler. The people were her children, and she cared for them. Each person was given freely by his neighbors whatever he required for his use, which is as much as any one may reasonably desire.

Hard to say what this is. The first lines would imply an absolute monarchy. The last would imply communism.

Its probably communism as this sort of idealistic thinking was common. People really thought that the State could own everything and then would willingly and fairly redistribute it all to whomever needed whatever. Its a pretty good summary of what the communist fantasy was: An all powerful something that would give everyone exactly what theh needed and everyone would just be happy

>>151636213
Cont

"Every one worked half the time and played half the time, and the people enjoyed the work as much as they did the play, because it is good to be occupied and to have something to do. There were no cruel overseers set to watch them, and no one to rebuke them or to find fault with them. So each one was proud to do all he could for his friends and neighbors, and was glad when they would accept the things he produced."

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A passing comment from the hungry tiger about hiding who you are from others

""And this is the Hungry Tiger," continued Dorothy. "He says he longs to eat fat babies; but the truth is he is never hungry at all, 'cause he gets plenty to eat; and I don't s'pose he'd hurt anybody even if he was hungry."

"Hush, Dorothy," whispered the Tiger; "you'll ruin my reputation if you are not more discreet. It isn't what we are, but what folks think we are, that counts in this world. And come to think of it Miss Polly would make a fine variegated breakfast, I'm sure."

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Tik-tok of oz had a monolog similar to the ending of terminator 2. It notably doesnt have the jab at dad's like T2.

This was published in 1914.

'The copper man and the tin man were good friends, and not so much alike as you might think. For one was alive and the other moved by means of machinery; one was tall and angular and the other short and round. You could love the Tin Woodman because he had a fine nature, kindly and simple; but the machine man you could only admire without loving, since to love such a thing as he was as impossible as to love a sewing-machine or an automobile. Yet Tik-tok was popular with the people of Oz because he was so trustworthy, reliable and true; he was sure to do exactly what he was wound up to do, at all times and in all circumstances. Perhaps it is better to be a machine that does its duty than a flesh-and-blood person who will not, for a dead truth is better than a live falsehood."

There is an entire page about misgendering

""My name is Bill," said the yellow hen, somewhat gruffly.

"Bill! Why, that's a boy's name." "What difference does that make?" «You 're a lady hen, aren't you?" "Of course. But when I was first hatched out no one could tell whether I was going to be a hen or a rooster; so the little boy at the farm where I was born called me Bill, and made a pet of me because I was the only yellow chicken in the whole brood. When I grew up, and he found that I didn't crow and fight, as all the roosters do, he did not think to change my name, and every creature in the barn-yard, as well as the people in the house, knew me as 'Bill.' So Bill I've always been called, and Bill is my name."

"But it's all wrong, you know," declared Dorothy, earnestly; "and, if you don't mind, I shall call you •Billina.' Putting the <cena' on the end makes it a girl's nan^, you see."

"Oh, 1 don't mind it in the least," returned the yellow hen. «It doesn't matter at all what you call me, so long as I know the name means mg."

"Very well, Billina""

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Road to Oz has proto furries.

There is an entire village populated by fox people. One of the characters becomes an anthro fox for a couple chapters too

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There are also lots of women in combat roles.

There is an entire army of women that manage to take over oz. In a later book, a queen puts on a military uniform and rules her army (a small group of men almost as inept as team rocket). Most good rulers are also women.

Thinking back, here is a quick list.

It would be better to not eat animals.
Communism is good.
Being ruled by women is good.
Women in the military is good.
Gender expression is a construct.
Its ok for men to become women.

>>151636544
They only win because nobody wants to hit a girl you tool

Frank L Baum wanted to henocide the Indians.

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i bet no much of you guys remember/know this one

>>151623867

>>wickeds a success
>Lol lmao

Second movie crossed 400M on a 150 budget btw

>>151636607
And they cave because Glinda's got a legitimate lady army instead of LARPers with sewing needles.

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Also, to shift gears, Tim Burton pretty much lifts Jack and Sally straight from the Oz world.

Jack Pumpkin head lives in a giant pumpkin by a pumpkin patch and a graveyard. There js also a patchwork girl that is all stitched together. I will say that Tim comes up with his own charterizarion as Jack and the patchwork girl act different from Jack and Sally.

>>151636613
Who doesn't?

>>151634955
Best, most beautiful version of Dorothy.
>>151632695
Second best, most beautiful version of Dorothy.

I wish we had lewds of the Skottie Young version...

>>151623817
>Wicked's a sucess
Women are so deprived of non slutty or dyke or girl boss media that they'll elevate shit like frozen or wicked to a billion dollars.

That's pathetic.

>>151637561
It being pathetic doesnt mean it is not successful

>>151636633
That's a cute cowardly lion
Is this worth a read?

>>151623817
>sucess

>>151623817
Man, I would much have an even more batshit Return to Oz adaptation.

>>151638955
so pretty~

>>151637570
After a year no one will remember that theater kid slop

>>151640205
>After a year no one will remember that theater kid slop

Anon, dragqueens are going to keep the song "popular" alive well after we are both dead

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>>151633220
Happy End Game is such a weird story arc, it feels like filler despite featuring Happy as the main antagonist, probably because it has bloated moments like an unnecessary Knight flashback story for a character who does not appear again, more anticlimactic moments (Adult Gert is back! But gotcha, she is a glorified background character who has pretty much no lines and does nothing through the arc), and the public domain characters feel like an unnecessary marketing gimmick.

>>151637766
>Is this worth a read?
Nah, never got finished

>>151627161
Why did Baum have the two little girls kiss in his children's book?

>>151641737
They only surrendered when Scarecrow thinks up a commando mission using the Gump and two of Glinda's troops to catch Jinjur.

>>151636633
From what I read, it's closer to The Wonderful Wizard of Oz than Wizard of the Emerald City and the creator is Russian.

>>151635867
>The fucking bug falls in love with a dress.
>Dude was married to the daughter of a huge suffragest and big into theater. He knew gays and new how lbgt that premise was. It cant be hand waved.
>There is a clear line of dialog that he did not love the women in the dress but the dress. Then later tries to date a man who turns the dress into a kimono.
>Its pretty gay.
It was written in what? Like 1905? LOL. I don't care if Baum did know gays. You're running this through the biases in your head. Modern transgender ideology didn't exist until the 90's at most, and that's being generous. It's probably more like 2006 or something even if the first modern sex change surgery wasn't until 1952. You're creating anachronisms by even conceptualizing things this way. He wrote these books for children and they were hugely successful at the time with no controversy because people in 1905 didn't think about these ideas like you do in freaking 2025.

>>151637519
>wish we had lewds of the Skottie Young version
https://files.catbox.moe/186q9r.jpg

>>151623817
How closely does Wicked actually stick to WoO?

>>151626904
AND THAT LITTLE DOG TOO
(lmao)

Wicked is abysmal fanfiction

>>151637038
>No Luna the cat as Toto.
1 job

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>>151623817
How long will it take before a studio finally tries to adapt anything but the first Oz book again(aka anytime someone tries to adapt anything but the original MGM Oz movie)? Another hundred years?

>>151644876
The movie towers over the book series to the extent that I don’t think there’s really an audience for later Oz.
Whenever Dorothy isn’t onscreen people will ask “where’s Dorothy”. Not to mention the Ozma twist.

>>151644876
Probably soon since most of the good ones are public domain now. I don't know why people just keep running the MGM movie through the recycle process or pretending the canonical sequels don't exist so they can do their own weird boring fanfiction. Evnetually, someone will give enough of a shit again to actually do the sensical thing.

>>151644909
>The movie towers over the book series to the extent that I don’t think there’s really an audience for later Oz.
>Whenever Dorothy isn’t onscreen people will ask “where’s Dorothy”. Not to mention the Ozma twist.
Wicked just mad a ton of money. What are you even talking about?

>>151644909
I just keep thinking that it's weird that someone like Warner doesn't look at the Oz books and decide to make a new "Harry Potter" style film series based on all of the books so they can just find a girl and have her burn through like 8 movies in about a decade.

I mean modern Warner is retarded so that's a bad example but still.

Consider the following: Dorothy Gale and Super Mario are both the same type of protagonist.

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>>151623817
It wasn't, nobody cares about it except maybe campy fat homo's in san francisco.

2: No relation to WOO property's so no bearing on it. I would like a follow-up series to Oz Kids, just to see a grown up version of the Cowardly Lion's daughter Bela.

>>151644973
>I just keep thinking that it's weird that someone like Warner doesn't look at the Oz books and decide to make a new "Harry Potter" style film series based on all of the books so they can just find a girl and have her burn through like 8 movies in about a decade.
>I mean modern Warner is retarded so that's a bad example but still.
Corpo CEO types are notoriously out of touch with anything fan level. It's why huge franchises were ran through the mud, they don't know better and just toss the project to whatever jackass music video director can be paid the less who has no attachment to the property at all.

>>151645062
Dorothy talks a lot while Mario is a silent protagonist

>>151623867
There was polish Wizard of Oz cartoon made with "feltmantion" technique, I likedit a lot as a kid.

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>>151641737

Kissing is just part of it; Ozma outright declares Dorothy her chosen companion and even grants her royal rank.

Later books have Dorothy sitting on the throne for Ozma in her absence and when Ozma disappears in a later book, Dorothy is the only person who can go look for her since she's the only person allowed unrestricted access to Ozma's rooms. They go on state visits and host receptions together.

So Dorothy actually does act as a Princess Consort beyond just having the Chosen Companion title.

>>151623817
AS a person who read The OZ books as a kid, I FUCKING HATE WICKED. Get that fucking FAN-FIC out of here. I DON'T CARE if we get a cartoon! IT'LL BE RUINED by Wicked, they'll make changes like making General Jin-Gar into a "Villain" who did nothing wrong.

FUCK WICKED!

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>>151636901
>>151636586
great read, informative. thanks for your time!

>>151623817

Oz is highly satanic because its FEMINIST. Repent at once!

>>151623817
I bet Universal bankrolled the Wicked films because they only have the copyright on the original film for 10 more years and want to find a legal way to keep holding onto their IP.

>>151647149
WB owns those copyrights, Universal is dodging copyright lawyers like everyone else and using Silver Slippers and a slightly different shade of green for its witch.

>>151645062
Okay I've considered it.

>>151623817
Poland did it in 80.

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>>151634955

>>151649877
Cute

>>151623817
How Wicked Was It?

>>151647071
This is a load of anachronisms and calling anything from the early 1900's woke is retarded. I don't know why zoomers have trouble wrapping their heads around the idea that people in the past did not think about things the same way as people in 2025 do. They are extremly arrogant in that way. I even see it in /v/ now with people playing games from the 80's assuming that gamers back then had the same opinions and conceptualizations on everything they do now.

>>151646766
This comic is nice, but I prefer Dorothy as a blond like in the original illustrations.

>>151636613
A common thing back then.
So?

>>151644235
That's kinda cute.

>>151648290
>>151652304
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak5MkvT36go
OP was pretty good

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The Koreans are already working on a game

Nice thread.

>>151654361
>not silver shoes

>>151651402

Denslow had her as a sort of reddish brown which is almost certainly what Shanower and Young are referencing. Neill had her as a blonde but there's nothing in any of the books about her hair color.

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>>151654761
Pinnochio also isn't meant to be a twink, but we all gotta make sacrifices

>>151655713
>helping him become a real boy so you can fuck his bussy

>>151655129
>Denslow had her as a sort of reddish brown which is almost certainly what Shanower and Young are referencing. Neill had her as a blonde but there's nothing in any of the books about her hair color.
I'm going with Neil. Baum had a falling out with Denslow and banned him as the artist after the first book, so I'm going to assume he exerted more control on illustrators after that (an assumption, but Neil was his approved artist for all the Oz books he wrote after that). She's blonde in the rest of them as far as I know and the illustrations even reference the change at some point. I think people need to stop worrying about bridging the gap between the original books and people who only know the MGM movie. The internet is a thing now for multiple decades now, at least half of people who have any mild interest in the series know the original books are different.

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>come in to this thread expecting some comfy talk about a classic movie/book
>half the thread is just one retard spamming posts about how the oz series is actually "le amazing woke world with a utopia of communism and women (peace be upon them) in charge"
right...
and then he wondering why nobody even bothers with anything past the first book (which is the only good part btw, everything else after dorothy leaves the story is pure garbage and there is a REASON why nobody ever tried adapting it)

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>>151657442
>everything else after dorothy leaves the story is pure garbage and there is a REASON why nobody ever tried adapting it
You're completely wrong. First, Dorothy comes back by book 3. She didn't "disappear from the story." I also personally like book 2 more than book 1. Like Jack Pumkinhead is great. I'm sorry. And yes, these have been adapted. The reason they weren't adapted as often as the first book is becuase the first book was in public domain longer than the others. So adapting book 1 again was an easy layup versus you know actually paying for rights (which were probably gobbled up by Disney for decades and sat on other than their one movie, which is probably the favorite of a lot of Oz fans).

>>151657442
>right...
Baum had newspaper columns. His opinions weren't exactly woke I think (especially concerning Native Americans), but he did support women's suffrage, but yeah some people are reading things into these works now that might not be there as much as I'd like to read them with my yuri goggles you have to take things with a grain of salt and place them into proper context of when they were written.

>>151657955
>>151657442
What happened was Disney bought the rights in the 50s to all the Baum sequels, but Walt was stumped on how to make an Oz movie on par with the MGM movie. Return to Oz was made solely because someone remembered they still had the rights just before public domain kicked in.

>>151658486
>What happened was Disney bought the rights in the 50s to all the Baum sequels, but Walt was stumped on how to make an Oz movie on par with the MGM movie. Return to Oz was made solely because someone remembered they still had the rights just before public domain kicked in.
Yeah, exactly, but it was also due to, again mostly Disney, playing with the law and congress to extend when works went into public domain. Oz book 1 and 2 went into public domain in 1956-1960, and then the law was magically changed causing book 3 to not go into public domain until 1983. So that's why people like >>151657442 have this uninformed opinion about the rest of the books never being adapted. Nope, companies could just spam version after version of book 1 but they couldn't touch the rest of the Dorothy stories because they weren't legally allowed to. Keep in mind, all these books were massively successful when they came out especially the Baum ones.

>>151654761
It's a moot point since the original books is in public domain.

>>151655794
It's gotten to the point that you tell which people know only the movie or the read the books.

There's so much lore and characters in the books one can make a TTRPG, JRPG or Real time strategy game.

>>151654487
Eh, I've seen nicer

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>>151659991
Reminds me of Queen Cloudia (Thanks, Skottie)

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>>151657955
>>151658486
>>151658633
if the rest of the books were so good. how come nobody talks about them?


>Oz book 1 and 2 went into public domain in 1956-1960, and then the law was magically changed causing book 3 to not go into public domain until 1983
you just defeated your own point
the books have been on public domain for half a century now.
and nobody adapted any of the stuff after book one

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>>151644876
>How long will it take before a studio finally tries to adapt anything but the first Oz book again
never
at most you'll get something like wicked once every decade before nobody tries it again.
say what you want about the MGM movie.
but it pretty much took the first oz book and turned into into a cultural phenomenon/pillar.
surpassing the entire book series.
anyone saying the books were better is just being a elitist contrarian

>>151658972
I'm honesty surprised that someone hasn't made a proper RPG out of it already.

>>151661437
I, too, am surprised.

>>151658972
>>151661437
There was a JRPG on the DS, wasn't there?

>>151661325
>if the rest of the books were so good. how come nobody talks about them?
Oz fandom is pretty huge and famous, and people in this thread are talking about them. I don't know maybe you're talking out of your ass like a lot of zoom zooms?

>>151661325
>you just defeated your own point
>the books have been on public domain for half a century now.
>and nobody adapted any of the stuff after book one
First, of all, you were always wrong about this. There's been adaptions. The anime adaptions of the later books even aired in the United States at one point in the 80's, and there's other ones as well. Return to Oz is also an extremely popular cult flim.

It took until the end of the 90's for all the Baum books to go into public domain. I know you were probably born like 12 years ago, but that is a relatively short time versus something going into the public domain in the 50's.

>>151661356
>never
>at most you'll get something like wicked once every decade before nobody tries it again.
>say what you want about the MGM movie.
>but it pretty much took the first oz book and turned into into a cultural phenomenon/pillar.
>surpassing the entire book series.
This a really crazy statement. The IP is public domain and Wicked jsut proved it can generate money again. Of course there's going to be more movies.

>>151661356
>anyone saying the books were better is just being a elitist contrarian
There have been people who preferred the books since the 30's. For one, the books aren't a fucking musical. It's a fantasy adventure series. I like the movie, but it pulls differnet audiences. Most of the biggest MGM fans are homosexuals though that wish they could be Judy Garland so it may be why you don't think it could never be matched. But it's like saying Blade Runner is bettre than the book or something. They're differnet things.

>>151661437
I think there were a couple including one for DS. There's a noir murder mystery one that was sorta popular.

>>151661356
>but it pretty much took the first oz book and turned into into a cultural phenomenon/pillar.

It already was. The wizard of Oz books were as big as anyyhing we have now. Star wars. Marvel movies. Harry Potter.

That's how big it was.

>>151643998
>Modern transgender ideology didn't exist until the 90's at most, and that's being generous.

You're an idiot. Or a liar. Conservatives knew of trannies all the way back in the 20s and 30s. Some of those book burning in nazi Germany were lab research from clinics who treated them. Love or hate them, people were aware of them.

>>151626904
The Scarecrow and Tin Man are gay for each other.

>>151651402
>I don't know why zoomers have trouble wrapping their heads around the idea that people in the past did not think about things the same way as people in 2025 do.

You're a genuinely stupid person if you think a guy married to the daughter of a huge sufferagist wasnt talking about gender and the role ir plays in life.

And the books being recognized as both liberal and lbgt isnt new. The fucking cia actually tried to find Dorthy because of how much gay people liked rhe books and used them for coded conversations

These books aren't even clever about it. The bug tries to date a man because he likes his clothes. A man becomes a woman. They describe a communist economic system plainly.

>>151662380
>You're an idiot. Or a liar. Conservatives knew of trannies all the way back in the 20s and 30s. Some of those book burning in nazi Germany were blah blah blah.
I know this is /co/, you know the Tumblr of 4chan, but there's no transgender stuff in Baum's books. Gender bending stuff that was in old works is not trans stuff about gender dysphria or whatever the modern conceptualization is because it wasn't even thought of that way at the time. It's not the same thing, and I'm not going to pretend like it is because I'm not 16 years old and retarded. Fucking ask Chat GPT, or wherever you get your info, about trans ideas in 1900, and it will agree with me.

>>151662463
>You're a genuinely stupid person if you think a guy married to the daughter of a huge sufferagist wasnt talking about gender and the role ir plays in life.
Strawman arguments. I said Baum has some 1st wave feminist stuff in his books, but it's not 4th wave trans stuff and all the shit you think is in there but isn't.

>>151662463
>And the books being recognized as both liberal and lbgt isnt new. The fucking cia actually tried to find Dorthy because of how much gay people liked rhe books and used them for coded conversations
Just because something has gay fans does not make it gay. I'm not even against it, I ship characters in the book, the problem is your a hyperbolic retard that called a famous children's fantasy series from the early 1900's woke. It's dumb. At least not use that word because it's utterly ridiculous.

>>151662354
>It already was. The wizard of Oz books were as big as anyyhing we have now. Star wars. Marvel movies. Harry Potter.
>That's how big it was.
Yeah, exactly, the problem is people think the earth started only when color talkies were being made. Baum was a huge phenomenon in the literary world up until his deah, and then the main series managed to keep going on until it rant out of steam in the 50's/60's.

>>151662251
Yes and it was quite good

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>>151662323
jesus you're so sad
get a life

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>>151662323
>It took until the end of the 90's for all the Baum books to go into public domain
that's still 35 years of all of them being on public domain by today
and yet there's been so few adaptations since then. that i can count them with my hands

>>151636444
That's not about misgendering it's just about how animals get named sometimes, the same thing happened to a hamster I had. Sometimes the curtains are just blue

>>151623817
Wizard of Oz was the charlatan. We hate charlatans like him in the guild of wizards.

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>>151628530
Doesn't one of the sequels to Wicked actually have Elphaba's granddaughter hook up with Tip (Ozma's male form)?

>>151623817
Doubt it

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>>151663112
My first cat, was found on the side of the road as a stray kitten alone. He was very timid and shy but after I spent the entire night with him, he was very affectionate with me. So I, and the rest of my family, thought he was a girl. I named him Kelly. It wasn't until we saw how energetic and rambunctious he got and finally his first vet visit, that we found out Kelly was actually a boy. Despite this information, I did not change his name.
Simple as that, nothing trans related about it.

>>151663188
>Thread needs more Ozma x Dorothy stuff

>argues until they are blue that the Oz books aren't liberal and gay
>wants to post images of two underage girls kissing

The duality of co

>>151636645
I doubt it will even enter the top 10 box office for this year

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>>151664624
Oh anon

>>151662674
Anon, there is a man that wants to date another man.

A man becomes a woman.

You are sticking your head in the sand

>>151664755

>>Ozma kisses Dorathy like a salor coming back from sea.

CO "nothing to see here folks. Just some innocent silly kissing. Little 1903 knea slapping jokes. No queer stuff, no sir"

>>151623817
Dorothy get ipad

https://youtu.be/Z6vx1VPORwU?si=dn3b9RfPo6E3J3Tt

>>151644235
So nothing is sacred, huh?

>>151664956
Actually, that's Glinda kissing Ozma

>>151663095
great argument, zoomer

>>151663098
There's been two new adaptations of post book- 1 material in cartoon form airing on TV right now, retard. I also like how it went from "zero" adaptations, to "I can hold them on my hands," wow you sure are smart and not back peddling like crazy.

>>151661325
>if the rest of the books were so good. how come nobody talks about them?
Because they weren't. I read up through Emerald City of Oz, and even by that point the series was clearly losing steam. Personally, I think the first three are the best of those. There's a reason Return to Oz used Ozma of Oz as the basis.
>>151664624
The biggest fag in this thread is you so i guess you must be the authority on gay

>>151647071
I'm calling bullshit on this too. They make women the enemy all the time. Ozma has always been a girl, but was magic into a boy as a curse. This isn't some tranny freak fantasy about a boy WANTING to become a girl. It isn't commie shit because there's a fucking QUEEN and magic and shit and Commies hate all that sort of stuff.

You're putting your modern world views into a kids' book.

>>151664941
NTA, but you're deep into the Kool-Aid. Take your crazy elsewhere.

>>151667594
>There's a reason Return to Oz used Ozma of Oz as the basis.
Because it's about Dorothy returning to Oz.

>>151664755
I find it funny how woke faggots say two beautiful women(Female) kissing is woke. This stuff got me wanting to kiss cute girls when I was a kid.

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>>151667819
>modern world views
This is pretty much the whole problem with his arguments. Oz is pretty obvious a utopia, and "money is the root of all evil" has been a concept for fucking ever. "Hey, wouldn't it be great if you could just make your stuff and not worry about money or rent or shit?" is a fairly utopian concept, and the benevolent ruler who sees that everyone is taken care of is the cherry on top. The "gay" is just the forgotten concept of a romantic friendship(no homo) that has almost certainly been obliterated by insecure tards who have to treat everything hyperbolicly - you can't love someone non sexually! Reeeeee! You're actually gay! Gotta fit everything into categories of good/bad because the world must conform to their views.

You stupid shits who say nothing is gay haven't read the The Woggle-Bug Book.

Otherwise everyone would be memeing the racism in it.

Imagine being so up your own ass that you will defend a boom you've never read as being not gay when the book has a dude trying to court another dude because he likes his clothes.

>>151668012
>The "gay" is just the forgotten concept of a romantic friendship(no homo) that has almost certainly been obliterated by insecure tards who have to treat everything hyperbolicly - you can't love someone non sexually! Reeeeee! You're actually gay! Gotta fit everything into categories of good/bad because the world must conform to their views.
Yeah, I ship Ozma/Dorothy, but like people need to understand that close female friendships during the Victorian/Edwardian ages (like late 1800's to early 1900's) were like a lot more romantic seeming than what we are used to with today's prudes. It's a similar concept to Class S school girl yuri which I think started during the 20's. I mean yeah ship it all you want, but I doubt you're going to get very far trying to make a definitive statement on what was in Baum or even Neil's minds. I'd like to be wrong, but that's just the way it is and Oz isn't the only old work like this.

>>151668012
>The "gay" is just the forgotten concept of a romantic friendship(no homo) that has almost certainly been obliterated by insecure tards who have to treat everything hyperbolicly - you can't love someone non sexually!

There is a book wirh a man trying to court another man. You trying to defend deep kisses between young women as some how not being kind of gay, doesnt change that

Most of you haven't read past the 4th book

>>151668084
So angry he can't even link.

>>151668012
Hell yeah, also, conflict all the time in those books. People still produce things so they can trade with others. There are nations with their cultures that can't fit with other nations' cultures.

>>151668122
One character in one book was played for laughs. I have, which is why I'm fighting against you and your faggotry.

>>151668012
I read this with Tony Soprano's voice

>>151668122
Anon, even Looney Tunes did this kind of thing before and it wasn't considered a trans thing at the time. This particular book was also hugely successful and was again not controversial at all like it would be if it was really pushing transgender ideology stuff.

>>151668287
Baum wasnt making a comedy.

He was a pretty straight forward. Any jokes within were kind of hokey and childish. His jokes are pretty obvious.

The bug trying to court a man wasnt presented as a joke. Its just part of the story

>>151668122
>deep kisses
lmao
man really reading shit that ain't there
Dorothy and Ozma's kissing is never displayed as anything more than affection
>There is a book wirh a man trying to court another man.
It's clear even by your telling that he was trying to court the dress, and not the man

>>151668232
>I have, which is why I'm fighting against you and your faggotry.

You have incredibly low comprehension then.

If you're so fucking smart, you tell me why anyone would write a book where a man would try to date multiple women because of a dress, then tey to date a man for a dress, and finally risks death to get the last remnants of the dress so he himself can wear it. And all of this done with zero clever jokes. All of it written pretty straight other than the one African woman.

You tell me why this book exists. A book thar very clearly says the man was not attracted to women. Says it point blank. Word per word, not attracted to women.

Explain it to me like I'm 5. Why woukd such a book be written and added to a fantasy world about young women going on advebtures?

>>151668314
Do you honestly believe that people back then wouldn't see men kissing as funny and corny? Holy Fuck, you really don't know anything. He got away with it because it was in a book FOR KIDS, which is why it was played as a joke.

>>151668372
>man really reading shit that ain't there
>>151664755
>>best buds just kiss each other like the end of ww2

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>>151668314
>Baum wasnt making a comedy.

Okay let's ask LOL:

>Is the Woggle-Bug Book a comedy?
>Yes, The Woggle-Bug Book is a children's book that incorporates humor and fantasy elements, featuring zany absurdities and comedic situations. However, it also includes ethnic humor that may be considered crude by modern standards.

>>151667819
Hmm, if anything, that incident would be an anti-trans stance and supports people being what they are born as. Men are men, women are women. Always has been, always will be.

>>151668012
>The "gay" is just the forgotten concept of a romantic friendship(no homo)
Ozma literally makes Dorothy her royal consort.

>>151668397
There you go. >>151668408

If this shit was as you say. It wouldn't have been published. OH YEAH. He wasn't even human. I completely forgot about that! Gays aren't human lol.

>>151668397
>fantasy
Hey look, you explained it! Retard.
Weird shit happens in Oz constantly. Why do the Wheelers exist? Idk, because it's weird! Explain fucking Princess Langwidere's shit. Why was Polychrome there?
What deeper meaning was Baum trying to convey with the Tin Man?(hint; he wasn't).
"Durrrrr why does this weird thing happen in a fantasy series full of weird thignsa?!?! MUSTA BE TEH GAYS!"

>>151668408
>Do you honestly believe that people back then wouldn't see men kissing as funny and corny?

So far no one has posted pictures of men kissing. Just women and little girls.

I don't know why I bother. Half of you are probably pedo posters that only know about these books because of the artwork of adult women kissing 8 to 12 year old little girls.

>>151668434
Fuck off with your chatbot dipshit

>>151668463
>If this shit was as you say. It wouldn't have been published. OH YEAH. He wasn't even human. I completely forgot about that! Gays aren't human lol.

It is kind of funny that the one gay man is an annoying bug. You guys are so busy arguing thar you cant see an obvious win

>>151668481
Prove it's wrong then. Of course that books a comedy. I think you're a little autistic if you can't get the fact that the absurdity of these situations are played up for laughs.

>>151668277
We have his actual voice.
https://youtu.be/3hM4izbColg?si=NC1bmnX6gmPyZRMQ

>>151668442
YEAH! Or it's a Tomboy dropping her TomBoy personality to become the Woman she meant to be!

>>151668506
I know! As I said, these fucks are looking at it with their modern views, which is wrong. Hell, apply their logic, the same sort of logic that says King Kong is racist. Then Woggle-Bug is horribly viewed on gays, not to be taken seriously at all.

>>151668506
the woggle bug as a whole is a fucking joke and anyone taking anything he does seriously is a clown

>>151668530
>Prove it's wrong then. Of course that books a comedy. I think you're a little autistic if you can't get the fact that the absurdity of these situations are played up for laughs

Jokes ain't always just jokes.

>>151668660
>the woggle bug as a whole is a fucking joke and anyone taking anything he does seriously is a clown

Taking everything in these books at face value makes you the real clown.

You sound like a mental midget

>>151668687
>>151668705
>NOOOOOOOOOO these KID BOOKS have way DEEPER meaning to it

A cigar is just a cigar. Get your shit out of here.

>>151668705
>Taking everything in these books at face value makes you the real clown.
The deeper meaning is that faux-learned people are obnoxious and stupid. If you didn't pick up on this then you might not be smart enough for the Oz books.
Even by your own telling, it's clear the Woggle Bug isn't gay, he's just fixated on an object. I don't know or care what the paraphilia is called, but it's clear he's not all about fucking dudes.
>You sound like a mental midget
Yeah you do
Go ahead and explain to me the deeper meaning of King Ramses in Courage the Cowardly Dog then. Because all of this children's media is secretly hiding a deeper agenda, right?
Faggot.

>>151668687
>Jokes ain't always just jokes.
And sometimes a joke is just a joke, anon. lol

>>151668408
>Do you honestly believe that people back then wouldn't see men kissing as funny and corny?

Not the anon you’ve been arguing with, but people of that time gave the movie with this scene an oscar:

https://youtu.be/DTdwer0hSm0?si=xkim5wIbUxKKyItA

Not to say this scene was necessarily homosexual. Only that the people of the 1920s had a different opinion of men expressing physical affection to other men than what you seem to think. It was not automatically something seen as inherently ridiculous or comedic.

>>151668917
>Not to say this scene was necessarily homosexual. Only that the people of the 1920s had a different opinion of men expressing physical affection to other men than what you seem to think. It was not automatically something seen as inherently ridiculous or comedic.
Hetero men still act like this sometimes in Europe btw, and Americans back then were more European than they are now.

Co "books have no deeper meanings...now...let me see these two 12 year old girls smooch"

>>151662323
Sure the books aren't well known to Americans now but it's interesting to note that one of the largest Oz fandoms is in Russia because of the Tales of Magic Land books.

Also if you watch the original Star Wars movies there references to the Oz books. An obvious one is Princess Leia is based on Princess Ozma. Another I remember was the Ewoks are based on the talking teddy bears of Bear Center.

>>151668121
>>151668012
I don't think you can reasonably detangle these two things. Because it's impossible to say what was just genuinely platonic friendship in an era where things like kissing were less sexually associated and what is just that literal fags (especially girlfags) could just get away with basically openly doing gay shit under the guise of "my very dear friend who I love greatly :^)".

Like when people try to resolve renaissance gay shit as "no no, look, they just were open about thinking boys were beautiful". Things being blurred doesn't preclude that there was also just actual gay shit happening. Some boston marriages were economic and some were just to have a socially acceptable way to sidestep being married off and raising kids the rest of your life and some were just that women were bi/homosexual and in long term relationships with the façade of propriety.

>>151669065
>So mad and got proven wrong that he had to call people pedo.

lol, lmao even.

>>151669242
Yeah, but they never started living together and adopted a cat they treat as their child. Stuff like that happened back then but more action needs to be taken to really call it love or not. They stopped at a kiss, which at the time seemed as usual as two male friends grabbing each other's asses. Yeah, if it did happen today, then I would agree with it. It was just a different time, and people did things differently, and I hate it when people now look back and say xyz is woke or some other nonsense.

>>151669242
I agree with you that actual lesbians used the guise of "friendship" back during those days to puruse real sapphic relationships. It's just there were so many girls doing that stuff that just ended up with boys it adds a strong layer of plausible deniabilyt where there is reasonable doubt. The only good point I think the other side made this entire thread is Baum was a theater guy exposed to a lot of 1st wave feminst stuff, so maybe he was exposed to more than we are aware of, but that definitely doesn't mean the Woggle-Bug was trans allegory. LOL. Overall, as for Dorothy/Ozma, I'm a fan, and there is smoke there, but trying to figure out if what seems like subtext was the real meaning is going to be impossible.

>>151669492
Baum didn't like feminism. Just look at how awful General Jinjur was.

>>151669546
>Baum didn't like feminism. Just look at how awful General Jinjur was.
He's on record being pro-women's suffrage. Maybe he had mixed feelings about the movement and made fun of it, but the link is there via his wife and mother in law. My point though is he could have been exposed to the existence of lesbianism/gay people due to that and being in the theater. Even back then I doubt the theater was a real normie-tier space.

>>151644931
Wicked isn’t Oz, that’s fanfiction.

>>151669832
You know, you can be pro-women's suffrage but still against feminism. Back then, Feminism was trying to take over suffrage rights. Look at how the two women leaders dealt with people and problems, pro-women doesn't have to be feminism. A lesson a lot of people have forgotten about today.

>>151669889
>Wicked isn’t Oz, that’s fanfiction.
I don't like it either, but nomralfaggots think it's Oz, that's all that's going to be needed for more films to be made based on the books.

>>151668833
>Go ahead and explain to me the deeper meaning of King Ramses in Courage the Cowardly Dog then. Because all of this children's media is secretly hiding a deeper agenda, right?
>Faggot.

Courage the cowardly dog wasnt a popular book series.

And courage probably had libs and lbgt working on it

>>151669546
Jinjur was taken out by Glinda's all female army.

>>151669143
The oz books inspired lots of stuff

TikTok- c3po
The magic powder - lots of zombie movies or movies were toys come alive
Jack and Patchwork girl - Jack and Sally from NBC

I'm sure there were many others. Those first 14 books were as popular as Harry potter

Oh, interestingly enough, at one point the wizard has a sword like Ivy from Soul Caliber. No idea if ir inspired it

>>151669832
>Even back then I doubt the theater was a real normie-tier space.

Theater has been gay longer than the US existed. Been that way at least as long as they wouldn't let women in and made men play their roles.

But it was probably gay before that

>>151669960
>You know, you can be pro-women's suffrage but still against feminism. Back then, Feminism was trying to take over suffrage rights. Look at how the two women leaders dealt with people and problems, pro-women doesn't have to be feminism. A lesson a lot of people have forgotten about today.

Femenist aren't a unified force. You can be a feminist and think some random other feminist is full of shit.