Why is /co/ media so full of lazy fanfiction tier bad writing nowadays?Are the executives hiring straight up from AO3
>>151625054Because the industry is full of people that got their start writing shitty fan fiction.
>Women That's your answer, op
Because women now dominate the industry and all female writing is essentially fanfiction.
>>151625117even women are fed up with fanfiction slop by now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3NPxraALq0
>>151625167This argument is dumb because I've seen fanfiction fifty fucking times better than the dogshit they pass off as "professional writing" nowadaysIt's not fanfiction that's bad, it's the writers.
>>151625054>cake takes a sexy lady form...again
>>151625167blaming fanfiction is cope, foid "literature" has been terrible since forever. all that's actually changed is that the loud minority of insane retards can use social media to sound more relevant than they are.
>>151625199Not all fanfiction is bad obviously, but we both know where those writers come from
>>151625054>fanfiction tierWhat does this even mean? There's a lot of very well written fanfics out there, do you mean to imply these shows are indulgent?
Tumblrinas won.
>>151625054Barely relevant but I've once heard AO3 mentioned on NPR radio and I was like DAMN:FanFiction dot net got BTFO'd!
>>151625054>mockAnyone could tell from Nat's early artwork for F&C that she was completely sincere about it lol
>>151625054>Are the executives hiring straight up from AO3Fucking wishI've read fanfics that are way more kino than whatever slop is currently popular.
>>151625249But they aren't, though. There are actually good fanfiction writers around. Literally nobody would give a shit about these people's work if it was fanfiction they were writing. No, the issue is that they're exclusively hiring incompetent millenial liberal faggots who demand to make everything into either political propaganda, a copy of their own lives, or both.
>>151625338What's the political propaganda being pushed?
>>151625224Honestly that's all I'm here for. At a certain point you just gotta take it for what it is and just enjoy the parts you do.
>>151625236Okay chuddie bend over you're getting spanked twice for that.
>>151625054People have had some of their most vivid experiences with fiction from fanfics. Maybe bad writing isn't all that bad.
>>151625167>source: 1 random woman whining on youtube
Lol, sure, the OUTRAGE erupts once the prospect of a humie man and a furry girl becomes a thing
>>151625167>>151625545>https://bookshop.org/shop/hilarylaynelollmao even
>>151625594Cake isn’t a humanoid normally but a cat srimblo blimblo, that’s just her shapeshifting.
>>151625644And that has any bearing on what I said because...?
>>151625594>furry girlNot even furries care about Cake and those idiots have low standards, turns out introducing her as a feral cat was a terrible idea because nobody likes zoophilia
>>151625199The vast majority of fanfiction is fucking awful, don't kid yourself.Modern writing is shit because they hire people who are basically just glorified fanfiction writers.
>>151625936>The vast majority of fanfiction is fucking awful, don't kid yourself.The vast majority of everything is awful.
>>151625644That makes it even worse though, it's more bestiality-adjacent than a "normal" anthro.
>>151625954Yea, but with most things it's 90% awful, 6% decent, 3% good, 0.9% great, and 0.1% fucking amazing.With fanfiction it's 99% awful, 0.999% decent, 0.000999% good, 0.000001% fucking amazing.
>>151625054Why can't you express an opinion without posting some literally who's opinion from twatter? No, it doesn't add credibility to your post even if I believed you and that poster are different people. I agree with you btw but I hate your ilk.
>>151626002>With fanfiction it's 99% awful, 0.999% decent, 0.000999% good, 0.000001% fucking amazing.nah that accurately describes most other things too
>>151626002If that's the case, why is it easier to find well written fanfics than well written shows?
>>151625054>ask why /co/ writing is so lazy by posting a picture of someone’s tweetyou get what you deserve
>>151625986True, people wouldn't have a problem if she was an antro from the get-goAnd btw this isn't about gender either because if it was Jake with some random korean women people would've just as disgusted and posting dog fucker memes
>>151626018Only if you're autistic.And I mean legitimately on the spectrum, not the meme self-diagnosed kind of autism.>>151626022Because you exclusively watch cartoons aimed at 9 year olds and other 30 year old autists.
>>151625167AO3 tanked during covid. All the kiddies and middle aged women flooded from Wattpad. Once they went to AO3, once it became mainstream >>151625273, authors sanitized their content.
>>151626033>Because you exclusively watch cartoons aimed at 9 year olds and other 30 year old autists.Okay, then, anon, where are the good written shows? What am I missing?
How come chuds don't write fanfiction?
>>151625054I will gladly shit on adventure time any chance i get, but making cake a sexy anthro cat girl having a human BF is based as fuck
>>151626172>where are the good written shows?Definitely not in cartoons, your best bet would be live action TV.
>>151626193>live action shows>in 2025>goodOkay but what if I don't consider retarded dramaslop for normeis good
it's funny because adam muto is the one that pushed this shit, really makes you think
>>151626173The closest I've come to writing fanfiction is writing /ss/ reverse rape incest smut.
>>151626284^this, shit like hazbin hotel even with all its flaws at least keeps my attention and entertains me unlike garbage like andor or fucking modern doctor who
>>151626284Then you're probably on the spectrum, as I noted previously.
>>151626308Anon, Hazbin is literally nothing but gay dramaslop.
>>151626330Yeah but it at least has likable characters and jokes sometimes in it. Its more entertaining then fucking euphoria or whatever love action crapolla people watch now
>>151626330It's gay dramaslop with pretty colors and singing for him to latch on to, if you took modern Doctor Who and turned it into a cartoon with more pretty colors he'd probably love it, as we saw when they turned modern Star Trek into a shitty cartoon and the people who watch "adult" cartoons thought it was fucking amazing.
>>151626313So no, you don't have any actually good shows.
>>151626377I can't account for your horrible autistic taste.For you, I would suggest jingling keys instead.
>>151625986Faggot
>>151626392i accept your concession
>>151626193Live action TV isn't any better unless you're elderly and just use it for background noise, which at this point is like 60% of people still watching cable.
>>151625859>>151625607Brain Griffin is a literal non furry talking Dog that bang Human females all the time on Family Guy. And it's portrayed as totally normal for dacades And has gotten no backlash from people on twitter for it. Reverse genders and suddenly is it creepy. At least Cake has shapeshifting power so she can make herself human shaped.Brain is literally just a fucking dog not even an athro one.
>>151626392>lmao nice autism slop watch some real shows for once>like what?>uhh uh um erm uh
>>151626359Modern doctor who is shit for a variety of reasons, mainly not having enough monsters and being too sanitized
>>151626500Modern Doctor Who is shit because the writing is fucking horrible and the characters are grating pieces of shit that make any sane person want to punch their screen, having more monsters and gore wouldn't fix that.Like my god, people talk about fanfiction writing, Doctor Who since like 2017 GENUINELY feels like fanfiction writing.
>>151626457Are you seriously comparing this show with freaking FG as good example?Because FG isn't some tumblrina cartoon that takes itself seriously
>>151626457retard
>>151625338>here are actually good fanfiction writers around.very very few
>>151625954don't kid yourself the average fanfic was way lower quality than the average regular/official story
>>151626089AO3 content has always been A/B/O, Rape, Daddy kinks.Only thing that has changed have been the freaks putting trans characters into the m/m category believing nothing is wrong.
>>151626562Yeah the last season is carried by Peter Capaldi.
>>151625054>ctrl+F>strike>zero results foundEveryone ITT is wrong.It's complicated and there are a lot of factors, but ultimately the biggest reason writers rooms suck these days is down to two things which were both a direct result of the writer's guild strike:1) A shitload of retarded scabs and nepotism hires got credits on very large productions during the strike, and once you have that experience it carries you through to an entire career regardless of how awful everything you did was.2) As retaliation for daring to strike productions began to not just shrink writer's rooms but also separate them, having individual writers build out the scripts for each episode simultaneously. Besides being a worse way to write in general this causes serious problems with cohesion and tone because editorial simply can't keep up with 12 episodes being written out at the same time.Honestly, though, none of that has anything to do with this particular show. This is just Muto being trash.
>>151627118Are you really saying there wasn't ALSO a profound cultural shift going on within the big studios?
>>151627263Yes.
>>151627272Yeah, you're either don't want to see our reality or just very dumb
>>151627118That actually makes sense, didn't Pen Ward hired a bunch of nepobabbies during the show?
His legacy lives on.
>>151625054The biggest issue is that social media dissolved the barrier between professionals and the community.Beforehand if a creator moved from fanworks into the real deal it generally meant a pulling away from fan communities and social circles, and the separation imbued the process with a degree of professionalism. This went away because now creators are inundated with fan community engagement to the point where they cannot move beyondtheir roots.Social media is carb bucket neverland for creatives.
>>151627688thank you for the demon incest
>>151627688Let's rock, baby.https://youtu.be/AzT4G9W1lfI
>>151627771>>151627775There are two DMC fans.
>>151626173But I do. Or have, anyway, haven't done any recently.
>>151627426The profound shift happened in 2008, everything is downwind of it.
>>151627816The 08 crisis isn't the only thing that lead to this, plus the effects aren't instant. Adventure time came right around the shift begun.
>>151627426You're a child who doesn't have any access to the "culture" you're referring to.
>>151627995look at this fucking picture >>151625054 and tell me this would have been expected at all from a big studio cartoon before 2010
>>151628067Anon you're not arguing anything here. You're not saying anything. You don't know how to communicate your point because you don't actually have one, just vague dissatisfaction.I understand that dissatisfaction. The Fionna and Cake show sucks ass.Your chosen boogeyman is silly and divorced from reality.Stop getting your impressions of real-life behaviors from social media.
>>151627118The second point they were already doing before the strike, which is why that was one of the things the strike was specifically about forcing them to stop.
>>151628096Tell me where the fuck are the recent shows not influenced by millennial hipster shit.Fucking tell me because I try to look for that and can't find shit.
>>151628142>tell me where the shows not influenced by (vague nonsensical bullshit term for bad-thing-me-no-like) are!You're an idiot.
>>151626173Because they are naturally adverse to and mock creative endeavors.
>>151625167>stupid waman has an opinionThis is why women need to be reduced to chattel, their insipid ideas and their nonwhite pets ruined Western Civilization>inb4 some faggot or roastie says "you're Indian/brown/nonwhite/tranny/incel" to hide the fact that he or she is so full of pozz to kill an entire hospital overnight>>151625257Name a dozen, and don't mention those that got adapted (50 Shades, The Mortal Instruments, &c.)
>>151628162He's got a pointMillenials can't write for shite
>>151625167>this wannabe crumb maiden againSometimes she has a reasonable position, but this is still just bait.>>151626089lol no it didn't. ao3 is significantly dirtier now than 5-10 years ago. that's not something that would come from wattpad, which has always been much tamer, and it doesn't indicate that people are sanitizing. the current tendency is to lock down everything to keep it away from ai, which isn't exactly mainstream friendly.
They're definitely hiring off of AO3 now going by She-Ra
Is this the part of the thread where we post our Fanfiction.net profiles?
>>151630024This but with Helluva Boss.Whats with fanfiction writers and toxic ships anyway? Besides just being fun to write.
>ffOld and Busted. Has best writing quality on average.>Ao3Tumblr enclave, but also porn site. Tag autism is both it's best strenght and it's biggest weakness.>Fiction Live (formerly Ankun).Horrible to use, like shit, the UI is god awful. Also, most quest are just excuses for porn and don't get past 3 "chapters" >Questionable QuestionLitRPG garbage dump. I say litrpg as a general term for WaifuCatalog, CYOA shit, Essence, and mother of all horrors: Gamer System fics. Also probably fed honeypot.>WattpadBottom of the barrel. Actually awful. It's all "You x [favorite franchise]". Haven't read a single good story from this site. >WebNovelLiterally Wattpad 2.0 but also has chinese xianxia shit. >SpaceBattles/Terminal VelocityShit to use, but it's otherwise fine. Mods are a bit autistic and restrictive in what you can and can't show (forget about writing smut here).>Misc Forums, specific pages hosting their own fics and anything elseProbably have the best stories, but good luck finding them in the first place.
>>151630180Drama is fun to write and two terrible people who are bad for each other produce lots of it. It's usually exhausting to read/watch but it's like eating candy to write.
>>151625054I wrote my so that my dick is bigger than your so fuck you steve
>>151626173because the vast majority of fanfic writers are women
>>151630180>pic relatedwould you do this if you had your own series, though?
>>151631091Isn't that the whole point?
>>151625054>NOOOO IT WAS MAKING FUN OF YOU YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ENJOY ANYTHING
Bump
>>151625054Because fanfiction exists for you to compare it to. 50 years ago they'd complain movies and shows were too pulpy. But the 90% of everything is crap principle has always been true.
>>151625199Are you unable to understand basic concepts?
>>151625299>I've read fanfics that are way more kino than whatever slop is currently popular.pic unrelated?
>>151625054Is there some sort of quirk or pattern of fanfic writing in any actual shows?
>>151632307check out >>151625167 it really sums up the issues with modern cartoons.
>>151630194>ff>best writing quality on averagelol in what universeao3 has always had an obviously higher average quality level, and it's never been close.>>151632246looks more like anon is objecting to the premise of the video, which is totalizing nonsense on its face and to be dismissed out of hand, as your own image demonstrates.
>>151632322>looks more like anon is objecting to the premise of the video, which is totalizing nonsense on its face and to be dismissed out of hand, as your own image demonstratethe premise talks about fanfiction generally, not EVERY SINGLE STORY.do you not understand the picture?
>>151632246but i do know a tall asian guy tho
>>151625199
>>151632348In other words, it is a totalizing statement made for clicks, not a conclusion made with intellectual honesty. That image is demonstrating the same problem applied in reverse, so it's funny that you don't seem to have understood the idea.
>>151632322Half the shit posted on Ao3 gets crossposted on ffnet, anyway. Just without having to filter crossovers.
>>151632322AO3's ACTUAL fanfics, as in coherent stories that are told, do tend to be pretty good. The problem is that's not the vast majority of the site, the vast majority of the site is terrible shipping shit, self-insert gobbldygook, and tranny bullshit.
>>151632400> it is a totalizing statement made for clicksbut, it's not, did you not watch the video?
>>151625545Anon, all 4chan is just posts of one random person taken as indicative of a trend.
>>151632403True, though I feel like this used to be significantly more common because ffnet used to actually be popular.>>151632418The title is literally a totalizing statement made for clicks. I didn't comment on the video and have no idea of the anon above did either. You're the only one saying there's some kind of specific frequency argument here. 'thing bad' and 'examples of thing not bad' are not logically inconsistent claims.
>>151632463>umm actually I didn't watch the video, the title is clickbait because it's hyperbolic>>151632322you bring up the premise of the video, yet never watched it. What?
>>151632463let me ask you something, would claiming >>151632372 is a picture of red circles be false because there's ONE blue circle?
>>151625054This show is written by industry professionals with at least a decade of experience each. It's just that a decade of experience means you've been working on Adventure Time since Season 8.
>>151625054>nobody on /co/ even remembers that Fionna and Cake started out on /co/ Sad times
>>151632514depends on how many parts-per-million blue it is. getting this hung up on "technically true" is how i got sent to get an autism diagnosis, personally. i assume your insistence is actually motivated reasoning though?
>>151633142I can't tell if you're either retarded or trolling at this point
>>151633177they're not mutually exclusive
>>151625054>Why is /co/ media so full of lazy fanfiction tier bad writing nowadays?Millennial writers>Are the executives hiring straight up from AO3I think there are cases were that is a yes.>>151627775I've only played Bayonetta and Wonderful 101, I hope I get to play DMC 1 on original PS2 hardware one day.>>151632277NTA but Stand and Deliver is still among my favorite JoJo content ever. I hope the author completes it one day...
>>151632597Not enough artists regularly read books or watch movies, that's the actual problem. For as much as American artists glaze Japanese anime and go "why can't we do that", they always dance around how people overseas read more books and watch more movies and TV than they do. Neon Genesis Evangelion owes everything not just to Mecha anime like Gundam and Mazinger, manga like Devilman, or tokusatsu like Ultraman and Kamen Rider, but films and TV like:>Solaris>the Sword of Doom>Gerry Anderson's puppet sci-fi series>2001as well as books like:>the Andromeda Strain (and other Crichton novels and adaptations)>Instrumentality of Mankind (and the works of Cordwainer Smith)>William Gibson's novels>adventure stories like Future Boy Conan (the Incredible Tide), the works of HG Wells, and Gulliver's Travels >the works of Harlan Ellison>the works of Arthur C Clarkeand lastly the influence of Kabbalah and Japanese mythologyI wonder what books Rebecca Sugar or Adam Muto read, that is if they read any at all.
>>151626002There's nothing more autistic then just insisting your random made up statistics are indicative of anything
>>151625257its an empty meaningless buzzword like half the shit that gets thrown around these days
>>151625054>Why is /co/ media so full of lazy fanfiction tier bad writing nowadays?Only /co/? I hate to tell you this, but it's everywhere. All forms of media and entertainment are plagued by people who read more fanfiction than novels, and it has screwed up everything.
>>151625054If they're gonna hire fanfic writers look into the fandoms with actual good shit. Like DariaHire the old penguin fucker guy or something
>>151632417I'm willing to bet that if you zeroed into the specific series, specific tags, and checked the highest rated ones, you'd eventually find one that suited your tastes. But it's statistically impossible for the entire site to be good.
>>151630194Rr for an unholy combination of xianxia chink autism, litrpg negative world building, space battles competence smugness, yet somehow far better that the rest...which isn't really impressive as the bar is so low it is melting from the earth core.
>>151632597A decade of experience only writing one kind of show and not even getting any good at that highly specific niche isn't actually a good thing. It's like spending a decade rereading the same book over and over, but never learning the main character's name
>>151630024This
>>151625054Muto really thought everyone wouldn't be offended by this ship.Waaaayyy to out of touch.I get they want to show that cake isn't a house cat anymore but this is an awful way to show it. Mchron should've been a horse.
>>151626002No need to complicate things, Anon:(You) can simplify it all by just a saying 99% is shit and the rest is great at least.I mean, when have anyone here read a fanfic that was just "okay"?
>>151625257it means it has a lot of fanfic tropes/cliches that aren't or last didn't used to be normally found outside of fanfiction
I have zero evidence but I believe most of those shows started as unrelated pitches that weren't strong enough to get greenlit in this economy but the studios had that old IP they weren't doing anything with so they offered to combine the two.I don't know, some 26 year old bisexual girlfailure helping two twinks start a bakery while magic shit happens here and there sounds like half the Netflix catalogue back in the days when they had so much money anything you threw at them would get two seasons
>>151634911Reminds me of those Velma Rumors
>>151634911I'm pretty sure Muto wanted to work on the Fionna stuff and was told to include something more Adventure Time related so it wasn't just late 20's white failgirl too obsessed over her ex to realize her gay friends are needy asshole's who aren't helpful
>>151631091Maybe once but not more and definitely wouldn't pretend its good
>>151632246>>151632372>make retarded generalization>someone disagrees>"HURR STUPID MUCH? LE MAJORITY EXISTS!!"
>>151635312This you?
>>151635312>make accurate generalization>"BUT MUH EXCEPTION!">exceptions don't matter>"N-N-NO YOU'RE THE DUMB ONE!"
>>151635330>>151635335>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STOP POINTING OUT HOLES IN MY ARGUMENT, IT'S AN EXCEPTION IT DOESNT COUNT IT DOESNT COUNT STOOOOOOOOOOOOOPI accept your concession.
>>151634911That makes sense, this is exactly what happened to Velma.>>151634944Muto himself admitted that they only wanted to do just townie slop, however even he knows that nobody would watch, so they attached adult Finn with that lame background character we're supposed to give a crap for being Finn's next cumdumpster a last minute to bait shiptards into watching this bullcrap
>>151625054>xitter thread
>>151630180>picReminds me of someone
>>151637130forgot pic like a retard
>>151625167Kek I already knew it was gonna be this based redhead >all the foids seething in the repliesLmao
>>151635371It’s not a whole in an argument, it’s about recognizing patterns. You’re genuinely low IQhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ot4eV6RR14&pp=ygUSSG93IHRvIHNwb3QgbG93IGlx
>>151626173you're not looking at fimfiction>>151630367also this
>>151634911Muto has gone on record saying it's been hard to sell an original idea of his own. Dude has no choice but to keep forcing out more Adventure Time "lore," no matter how nonsensical it gets. He'd be out of a job otherwise.
>>151637186This video is too based for /co/
>>151625054I think the KoTH revival hired someone mainly known for doing final fantasy fanfiction, iirc.
>>151625517Go the fuck back, groomer
>>151632372How much are you being paid to shill?
>>151638374are you a bot?
>>151637186*holeDon’t know how the fuck I made that mistake
>>151625167Muh waifu
>>151626173Chuds write OC. Libtards write fanfiction.Go on, prove me wrong.
>>151625054Because women think that patriarch is the big evil behind of why every piece of human literature is always about male authority, lineage, and control, power, oppression, legacy, and gender roles.Counterattacking is filling mass media with fanfics with lesbians, talking animals and pink color everywhere.
>>151625167I'm reminded of that one picture of the anime producer complaining about the production pipeline and the content they get stuck making, and the animator going "I like making anime because I get to draw pretty girl."Fanfiction writers are the western version of that animator, except somehow even less talented.
>>151626173Chuds stick to FFnet where they don’t have to deal with the overwhelmingly gay AO3 shit.
>>151625167Argument veers away from “fan fiction is bad” to “all fiction must be 100% historically accurate.” What a dumb fucking bitch.
>>151640734she didn't say anything like that at all
>>151640826t. Didn’t watch the video
>>151641041give a quote or timestamp to prove your claim bro
>>151636050>he knows that nobody would watchGiven some of the reactions I have seen online, it seems that show would have an audience. Although the trick here lies in whether these people are lying to themselves and only watching for the Finn-HW payoff or not.
>>151625054Do you ever wish some fanfiction you read became part of the official series' canon?
>>151642207>Do you ever wish some fanfiction you read became part of the official series' canon?No
>>151625294Ya that og concept was sincere while the parody route was their excuse to actually use it in the show at first.
>That on fic were Ben from Ben10 gets isekai'd into Bleach and fucks HarribelWhy would someone write that?
>>151625257It’s means that it’s poorly written and made by someone either self inserting or inserting their fetish.
>>151633016It started out on Natasha Allegri's tumblr
>entering month 13 of working on-and-off on my fanfiction that I'll never actually publish because I keep getting better ideas that force me to rewrite half the plot so the story is actually satisfying>this likely makes me better than the average industry standard writer nowadays>mfw
>>151625167Why does she have so much fucking make-up on
>>151626631Pajeet
>>151643540The author wanted to fuck harribel himself, but was too much of a coward to actually commit and write a SI. So he used ben as a proxy. It's a pretty common thing, actually. People have been using Goku and Naruto as self inserts since ancient times.
>>151626596What kind of retarded cope is this? Bestiality is bestiality why the fuck matter The show takes "itself seriously" or not? A lot of Brian's relationships are often portrayed as serious in the show. So this bullshit excuse doesn't even track.
>>151625257The biggest tell for fanfiction tier writing is when a romance scene utilizes nothing unique about the characters involved. Watch it and ask: would this play out exactly the same way with the characters swapped for any other couple in the same situation?If the answer is yes, it's because the romance is divorced from the main plot - as it would be if the main plot and the romance had two different writers, like in generic fan fiction.
>>151645139Daaaaamn, Naruto got GAME
>>151645140I think abstract humor/story telling might be a little above your mental compacity
>>151626185Santa Inc.You can ENJOY Santa Inc.
>>151645139wtf where's hinata
>>151625167I do find it funny that most of the men that agree with her would probably want her back in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant. God she's dumb
>>151647103I feel bad for her, she clearly wants a better caliber of story out there but the ways the lines of culture have been drawn her "allies" in the context want what's worse for her in others.The "Chud Smokescreen" where in bad media gets a pass from mainstream criticism because there was a black women in the reveal and shitposters got mad online, is a disservice to so many products.
>>151625199the wheel unbroken is so nuch better than GOT it's actually kind of disgusting
>>151645139Is that Saeko from Highschool of the Dead?
>>151646820And basic media literacy is way above your mental capacity.
>>151645140Again retard
>>151640089The problem is that now every writer is from the same set of rich nepobabbies from California, and Commiefornia is a shitty leftists hellhole full of homeless people.No wonder the industry is dead
>>151625054>tranny Finn and bestiality Jake
>>151647103and thats where she belongs
>>151648329Again pajeet
>>151646820>mental compacityESL and pretentious. The perfect combination.
>>151625054How's The Fanfic Critic still alive?
>>151642207at least half of hazbin hotel fanfiction has better storytelling and more imaginative ideas than the actual show
>>151626185Some games tease this idea, at least. There's even a quest in Dragon's Dogma 2 where you're trying to find a murderer, only to lead up to the killer having a human father and a tiger mom.
>>151625236Okay Elliot Roger
>>151643540They done Tumblr-fied Dr. Katz Is nothing sacred?
>>151652487I was wondering why he looked kinda hot in that gif.
>>151645701I am a millennial and I don't see how fan fiction makes millions. Kingdom Hearts is fan fiction and Nomura still botched the attempt because Disney didn't want that trash fire with Sora and the Organization XIII.
>>151645139You see it with Adventure Time and Finn all the time here.
>>151652966Granted, the state of Disney doesn't help at all.What else if there to in KH4 other than Zootopia?Doubt people even want Star Wars anymore.
>>151632246??? but I did have breakfast this morning.
>>151653776I'd be hungry if I didn't have breakfast.Do you even understand the point being made in that picture anon?
>>151653798I don't understand. I know plenty of asian guys who've had breakfast this morning.
>>151625224And its nowhere near as sexy as it used to be.
>>151653842How many Asians guys have you seen eating toast for breakfast though.
>>151625257>What does this even mean?Shit, it means shit, I hope that helped.
>>151653879You don't eat toast for breakfast.
>>151632246This post isn't technically wrong, but comes off like it was written by an autist who thinks parroting statistics is intelligent discussion.
We're scratching the surface of an issue where modern fandom culture needs to be destroyed because it's all evolved into a landscape where the show needs to follow the fandom rather than the other way around.Is there a popular in-joke among the fandom? Put it in the show. Two characters are becoming a popular ship? Make em canon. This one scene or line from a character became a fandom meme? Beat that fucking horse. Popular fan theory would be shot down if we go through on our original plans? Vaggie time.Pander. Pander. Pander.And don't even pander for money, pander because you grew up posting in fandom scenes and want the validation.It's a special kind of cancer which involves an incestuous relationship between the show and the fandom to a degree where everything fans post on social media might as well congeal into a giant focus group that no executive told the team to follow but that they did anyway because it results in the fandom celebrating them. The same soullessness with a cut out middle man.
>>151635312You're proving the point. Statistics aren't "generalizations". They're statistics.If I said three in five people are going to die of, let's say, a heart related illness, is that a generalization or is it just a fact that applies to three fifths of the population but not the other two fifths?
>>151654060>Is there a popular in-joke among the fandom? Put it in the show. Two characters are becoming a popular ship? Make em canon.This one is the worse of them all.I'll take the cringe memes than forced shipping that ruins plot and characters.
>>151654319You seem to be entirely and aggressively misunderstanding the point which is that the quality of writing has nothing to do with whether the writer is a "fanfic writer" or not
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>>151654341You wanna know the worst one? It's the theories. Because fandom culture unto itself has become an industrial complex and a social scene born of theorizing and fan content are at the core of how it works. Look at how much of the FNAF fandom never played the damn game. It didn't matter, they still drowned themselves in merchandise, Matpat was basically a freelance advertiser who himself got money from it. The streamers and fan content all got money, which led to more stuff they did which basically advertised the game, which in turn created loyal fandom who bought merch and sometimes even actually played the thing.I'm not dissing FNAF when I say this, I'm saying that it's proof that current fandom culture enables a model where they can get wheelbarrows of cash from people who never even touched the core IP.You saw the landscape of not just /co/ but even some of regular /tv/ change. You can't just hint at the twist by showing certain characters acting off or certain scenes coming together in a new light on second viewing. Everything has to piece together like a puzzle in a mystery story because that way the audience can blab on and on theorizing about whatever thing is.That's where the money is. That's what helps keep the social scene going. And that's what gets you a fandom who generates money even if they don't touch the product. Even the episodic release schedule of a lot of /v/ was based around doing this.Pandering on ships goes as far as the writers pandering to the fandom for validation, theorybaiting is a top-down business model at this point. Vaggie with Hazbin is the worst example because we know entire plot outlines were changed to validate the fan theory since said theory was so popular, which likely changed the plot of the entire first season in ways we'll never fully know
I feel like the most annoying kinds of people are throwing a fit about people doing something they wanted to
>>151651113Even women will tell you that woman books are terrible.
>>151632246>>151653936>post has ancap flag icon
>>151654571>t. Carol Sturka
Also. On the original tweet, anyone feel like we've entered a weird era where angst can no longer be parodied?Like The Clone High reboot. You can't have a character be angsty for the sake of the joke anymore. You can't just like, make a joke where they're crying on the couch with a tub of ice cream unless it's relatable and that seems to be because the fanfic generation of writers took any and all angst seriously to make fanfics of said angst
>>151625054their "relationship" is so nothing it makes the legend of korra lesbian relationship look like homer and marges relationship in early simpsons in comparison
>>151654571I'm a woman and these 'romance' books are a crime against humanity
>>151654060ORCreators should stop interacting with fandoms. That means: don’t retweet fanart, don’t like fanart, don’t even have a public account for fan interactions.Fandom is stupid. But I put more blame on creators who sink their balls into these communities since they should know better. Not engaging stops unnecessary drama and prevents ideas from tainting.George RR Martin actively avoids fan sites and fan content to keep them from influencing his stories. Creators who don’t do this don’t deserve mercy from critiques.
>>151625167>>151625199>>151640734She basically argues writers nowadays write more just about what they like or are comfortable with, even with villains, which leads to ridiculous situations like villains that can't do "vile" things because then they wouldn't be likeable. This also leads into inserting anachronisms into historical fiction since being "relatable" and "comfort food" stands above all. Even professional writers are -told- nowadays to make stories all about themselves/their feelings which leads to all that.I really disagree with the framing this is fanfiction tropes infecting professional writing though. Fanfiction exactly due to just flowing out of the will of one person writing on their spare time without needing to indulge to anyone else often can lead to completely destroying characters the writer doesn't care about (See abusive Akane in Ranma fanfiction).
>>151655272That or just create a separate account so no one knows its you.Anonymity is not a hard thing but these people seem to fail doing it every time.
I have a bad relationship with women, so I judge all women based on my bad relationship with them. So whenever I see women in media I get scared that I'm gonna one day die out and they're gonna rule the world by making everyone feel guilty with their pronouns.But that's me being fucking stupid and bored and I move on with my life. If you people want better media then look for it, go beyond the mainstream and find something obscure, out of this country, or even make your own. Some of you love sexy questionably aged anime women getting ryona'd or NTR'd so find some of that
>>151655272I agree but there's a significant issue. The current generation of writers, artists, et cetera?They came from these very fandoms and they already sort of have it either coded into their brains or in particularly soulless cases like Poppy Playtime or a lot of other mascot horror stuff (which, as said earlier, might as well be the poster child of the problem) have intent to capitalize on how they know fandoms work.Here's one. Think back to the Wendy's Twitter or Arby's Twitter.Those weren't market researched or focus grouped. They got twitter geeks who knew how to play the game in terms of that shit. I guarantee you whoever ran that Wendy's twitter account was very genuine about the smugness of their tweets because the best way to make it feel natural was someone who would do it naturally. And as much as I hate to say it, I'm wagering that's what we'll be seeing in the coming years. Not even like, "fans of x property" but people who partook enough in fandom culture to know how to engage it effectively.There's another business aspect to all this. Back in the day, you'd have creators or writers on certain IPs pop up on niche fan forums of their own accord, by the 2010s they'd do Reddit AMAs and such with 50/50 on whether or not it was a corporate decision or their own thing.But I'd argue that while parasociality was somewhat of a side effect in the day? It's very much become a feature now. Someone talked about in the industry thread. Whoring yourself out to the fandom to become a parasocial figure, something previously reserved for star power/celebrities, is now the expectation as much for cast as for crew to hype up the project. It doesn't even need to be mandated by the studio because the landscape itself has mandated it.Like, you HAVE to interact with the fandom. HAVE to do the livestream.It's funny we brought up ship baiting because look at how often current fandoms freak out because creators like pictures.
>>151656545Not to be a pseudo-intellectual, but I think the best way to say is that everyone is being programmed by ourselves. Here's one. Headcanons. They're more than just cringe. The entire concept is projecting something onto a series to make it more interesting for yourself. Be that character sexuality representation, explaining away something you didn't like, or fixing up a plothole or whatever.Think about that. Literally designed to increase your engagement where the IP falls short so that you have more to talk about with your fandom.See an issue here?It's a business model built to squeeze as much money and free advertising as possible out of a fandom who will do what is in their power to not move on if something turns bad for them (this is what birthed the "hatedoms" of today). It is a merchandising goldmine which has created entire micro-economies within the fandoms of the IPs themselves backed by a deliberately parasocial attachment to the IPs and the fandoms themselves meant to keep customers hanging on.And the businesses didn't create it, we, the fans and the creatives did because we had fun and got validation doing it and just assumed companies wouldn't exploit it. So now we have a system that will encourage creative bankruptcy with no need for studio interference, so long as the fandom scene itself eats the pandering up.This is the future we chose.
>>151656912The longer this thread goes the more I feel this is a terminally online problem not a fanfiction one. Entertainment now is full of younger people who came up on a different internet. At first social media was used by fans for discussion and parasocial access to creators, then it was used for professional networking and marketing to fandom, it tracks that the newer creators are most entangled with it.
>>151657003More like, a fandom culture translated to the online space, then amplified by current internet problem.Like, here's the best way to put it right? Earlier it was mentioned how fans would gather on niche forums and get to talk to creators and a lot of that back in the day was legit looks at the creative process and such. Hell, George R.R. Martin used to do that, people would simply ask questions about the behind the scenes or ask for trivia or ask for whatever.It was sort of into the 2010s when like, this all kinda really took off because social media as we knew it meant more fanart sharing, more signal boosting a lot more of this and that here and there.Entire careers could be born of the fandom scene at that point and you'd have serious fandom micro-celebrities who could be easily reached to work on official products as a kind of "promotion" like TFS in the Dragon Ball dub.Plus, it was around this time that actors and crew leaned more into the convention circuit as primary income and getting people to want your autograph was a must-have. So parasocial relationships became way more fostered as a result, which meant increased interaction. Something like Hazbin and Helluva had to be funded on this kind of thing before Amazon did the official side of things.
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>>151655540Yeah, the point about whitewashing villains makes a lot of sense. I remember seeing that a lot in real time back in the old Tumblr days.
>>151626173I did, once. I'm not proud of it but I wish I could muster that same drive to write nowadays. I remember pulling an all nighter on the first chapter and crapping like twenty more in about two months without any pre planning or anything
>>151659410Technically mine is still ongoing, if you can believe that
>>151627775Thank you for sharing this
>one fanfic author comes up with a unique idea/gimmick/story element>cue hundreds more copying the idea with their own shitty takes on it, never holds up to the originalIt keeps happening.
>Find fic that is legitimately fantastic >last updated 3 years ago
>>151654603We live in a society
>>151647103>>151647592not everyone is a giga chud retard
>>151625257>There's a lot of very well written fanfics out there,In a vast ocean of absolute garbage. Lets not pretend 99,999999999% of fanfiction in fanfiction sites is not terrible.
>>151625257>a lot
>>151654060It's honestly bizarre seeing this phenomenon with something like spongebob
I do not care.I like this show enough as is
>>151661837>fanfic i really like is getting constant updates>then it just stops
>>151662703You even kinda see it happening with P&F.Dan's been hanging out on TikTok a lot in recent years and while the show maintains the same general quality due to having most of the original writing staff, I learned to hate the words "2 nickels" because that's become 'the fandom meme line' for the show as a result.
>>151625199>I've seen fanfiction fifty fucking times better than the dogshit they pass off as "professional writing" nowadaysSure... but for every amazing piece of fanfiction there's 9,999 works that are complete dogshit.
>>151663781HATE when that happens
>>151625167I will maintain that white women were the worst thing to ever happen to fiction.So much of this awful garbage is either written or pushed by white women.
