>A new era of TMNT begins! Acclaimed Eisner-winning writer Gene Luen Yang (American Born Chinese, Avatar: The Last Airbender, Superman Smashes the Klan) takes on writing duties for TMNT! Following the stunning events of TMNT #12, the Turtles face a different New York... one where they are viewed as heroes! The celebration will be short-lived as new threats vie for control. The mutant yak Papa Beng is determined to widen the power base for his gang. Yet little does he know that he and other TMNT villains are being stalked by a powerful new assassin... Ujigami!
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>>151648744And that's it. Hope you guys like this start of new arc.
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Well, art and writing are good. Getting Williams on art was the best thing they could have done. The Splinter Revival may be more interesting than not. Yang's writing got a few genuine laughs out of me, but you can tell he's doing his professional best to not openly seethe about what Jason Aaron did to these characters.
>>151649995Ujigami is Splinter doesn't surprise me. He probably controlled by Karai. She manipulating him to kill other rivals in New York. Death of Ghost Boys leader was a bit unexpected, as for Stockman, I think he will be survive, but I still hope he dies. This comic needs to get rid of bloated, pointless characters.
>>151650172I doubt Stockman will die. Instead, he'll probably turn to mutagen research to try and keep himself alive, and then OH NO HE'S A FLY NOW! Who saw that coming?!I think Yang has made the Ghost Boys a little more interesting at least. Papa Beng is fun and Williams does a way better job at drawing furries/mutants than the last few artists have.
>>151650214Or he implant his brain or consciousness into a robot just like like Mirage Stockman.
>>151650351Honestly, I'd like that a lot more than a cartoon callback. I also wouldn't mind just having him die and then we get Mayor Oroku Saki or some shit.
>>151649995>Well, art and writing are good.>>151648651>>151648659lol, lmao even
>>151650798Williams is still one of the better artists that TMNT has had in a long time.
>>151650509Saki probably return to villain because Splinter has resurrected. His redemption was not due to his own efforts, but Splinter's sacrifice so he will not cherish this. Let Splinter kill he again, or let Karai kill him. I prefer Karai. On one hand, it makes Karai's character development more meaningful than before; on the other hand, it make Saki suffer the same karmic retribution for his past act of patricide.
>>151650971I think the only major villains we've got right now are Karai, but more accurately the evil dragon inside of her, Stockman, who hasn't done anything in years, Null, since she was released in Mutant Nation, and maybe Noi Tai Dar if the Shredder mini reveals is anything to go by. Maybe Metalhead, but they didn't really imply much was happening with him.
18 variant covers, they really need those sales and moneyTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #13 Cover B Ben Bishop VariantTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #13 Cover C Jared Cullum VariantTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #13 Cover D Clayton Crain VariantTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #13 Cover E Daniel Warren Johnson VariantTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #13 Cover F Blind Bag VariantTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #13 1:25 Ben Bishop Virgin VariantTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #13 1:50 Clayton Crain Virgin VariantTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #13 1:75 Daniel Warren Johnson Virgin VariantTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #13 1:100 Dustin Nguyen VariantTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #13 1:250 David Nakayama VariantTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #13 Eamon Winkle VariantTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #13 PCB Hobby Sajad Shah Foil Virgin VariantTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #13 PCB Hobby Sajad Shah VariantTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #13 NYCC 2025 Ashcan VariantTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #13 1:25 Nathan Szerdy Blind Bag VariantTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #13 1:100 Rahzzah Blind Bag VariantTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #13 1:250 David Nakayama Blind Bag Virgin Variant>Ujigami strikes again! The mysterious new villain has claimed another victim in their drive to make the city “safe” at any cost. While the Turtles still struggle to get any upper hand on their new adversary, Donatello has suspicions about their true identity that may mean a whole new set of problems for our half-shell heroes. Trying to get ahead, the Turtles set a trap using Ujigami’s likely next victim as bait: the leader of the Foot Clan, Karai!>Ujigami strikes again! The mysterious new villain has claimed another victim in their drive to make the city “safe” at any cost. While the Turtles still struggle to get any upper hand on their new adversary, Donatello has suspicions about their true identity that may mean a whole new set of problems for our half-shell heroes.
>>151651572>18 variant covers, they really need those sales and moneyCannot be understated how badly Jason Aaron's run bombed after the initial new #1 hype wore off, and part of that was pushed up by having 3 dozen or so variant covers.
the turtles are boring no idea why they get so much love
>>151648588>Superman Smashes the KlanFucking junk. IDW is so cooked.
>Splinter is alive again>Saki becoming a villain again>undoing changes to make the same old status quoHow long til Krang comes back to life? We know it is gonna happen.
>>151652929Fuck off, e-grifter
>>151648600It took them this long to do anything with her.
No Jennikass no Tranny Campbell. We're good.
>>151654192Krang is very dead and so is Ch'rell. Both of them shot in the face. People thought Krang may live on inside Metalhead, but that never panned out.
So Shredder is no more dead and Splinter is no more dead
>>151655013Shredder hasn't been dead for a while. Splinter being revived was an asspull from the previous issue that was in no way foreshadowed or built up. Kinda feels like something Yang had ideas about, so Aaron worked it into his script.
>>151648600>kill one of like 3 longterm street level villains that IDW created themselves Retarded.
>>151656483The turtles haven't had any interactions with the Ghostboys in this entire 15 year run.
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The writer say a character from Season 4 of the 2012 cartoon might appear in the book, it's must be Shinigami.
>>151652884You should know IDW TMNT villains get so much love from the writer than IDW turtles.
>>151651572>18 variant covers>they really need those sales and moneyThey have blind bags too. I don't know if you can buy all those variants or if you have to gamble for some of them. I just got the main cover.
>>151656483Dude no one cares about the street level villains in this franchise. The closest thing to popular street level characters in this franchise are other mutants. But the humans if they're not fantastical like Bishop who uses extraterrestrial technology to strengthen himself then you got nothing to work with. And even then I wouldn't call Bishop under any incarnation a popular character. Needless to say other street level characters like Hun and Purple Dragons are considered irrelevant trite.And the Foot Clan is honestly piss weak lame. The only reason the Foot Clan continues being a thing in this franchise is because they're the first villains of the whole series. That's it. But all in all they're pretty weak. They really can't stand against the Triceraton Army from outer space or anything menacing. This is why many later adaptations strengthen the Foot Clan in ways not even the Mirage Comics did. And the Foot Clan is just boring, some evil ninja group.
>>151658743Because modern writers aren't good people and don't relate to good moralistic characters. Modern writers just love excusing evil bastard cunt characters because they see themselves in them. Hence modern examples like...Princess Dyke Bubblegum from Adventure Dyke Time.Every main character in Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel.Steven UniverseModern media is all about excusing the villains and criminals. Did hear the announcement for that new Cinderella movie about the evil step sisters being good this time >>151633558This is the modern culture we live in. Evil people are glorified. Honestly I hope anyone who imitates these evil characters gets crucified to death in real life. And may all these shitty writers die of extremely painful diseases for being shitty subhumans.
>>151658743Shame.
>>151659078You want some cheese with that whine?
>>151659027Even in Mirage Comic, Foot Clan not truly united. Just like other organizations, they have internal factional struggles. Japan HQ/Mirage Karai vs New York branch/Shredder.
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Sadly, only the early story version of Mikey is best. After that his characterization got worse and worse after that. Still annoying and immature. Although all four brother has same problem, but I think Leo and Mikey's situation is worse. However, I will still blamed Tom Waltz lobotomy on them.
Hm, wonder if Stockman is dead. That'd be very anticlimactic.
>>151660771He hasn't done shit in years. May as well remove him from the story if he's not actually going to do anything evil with his Mayor position. The fucker did jack shit while Hale took over the city with the Foot Clan
>>151653775>"anyone I don't like is a grifter": a faggot's guide to coping and seethingRent-free, and literally who
>>151660647Mikey peaked when he beat the shit out of Splinter. I wish more writers would take the time to show that Mikey is one of the most capable turtles. His goofy behavior is a mercy, not weakness.
>>151648626>mutants now everywhere>mutant racism is now a coin toss depending on who is writing>still refuse to do anything with Mutant TownI kinda get it. Mutant Town is a whole fucking can of worms that could take over the whole comic again if they seriously addressed it. However, I'd prefer if they made up their fucking minds. Turtles can't live in a normal building like they did in mutant town, but everyone knows them and loves them now anyways? Is the anti-mutant racism so bad that most mutants still have to go live on Hob's island, or can mutants just move around and do whatever now? Stockman is still mayor even though he botched the mutant thing entirely for years?
>>151661932Tom Waltz responsible for these mess. If wasn't because of his stupid The Armageddon Game arc plan, we may see Escape from New York arc in Campbell's run, and no need to be stuck in Mutant Town arc +30 issues craps with no direction.
>>151662088Waltz and IDW eat the blame on that one. Campbell was told to write 12 issues, and then had to drag it out for 3 times that many, and then still pick up a story after Tom came back and wiped his ass with the leftover scraps of the story.
>>151662131>This here makes me laugh because realistically everyone on Earth should hate the turtles because they keep allowing ALL their villains to survive and keep making new victims especially Old Hob as far as the mutant infestation goes.Please stop acting like you're not going to delete your posts again, you schizophrenic retard.
>>151649995>writing are goodNot exactly a huge bar after Jason Aaron. I'm just glad he is off the book.Wish there would be a little more continuity shown, like Don was still almost skeletal last issue but now he is buffed out again. But that's about my only complaint.
>>151661932As far as the Turtles go, they don't exactly have any steady income so it's not like they can rent a condo, other than maybe have April paying for it. Mutant Town was basically a commune and the temple I think was destroyed. So it's back to sewer crawling, plus they may go there anyway simply to reconnect with each other.
>>151661932I'm going to chime in on how badly Waltz fucked up with that. First he created the situation, i.e. "Hob's gas bomb has turned a sizable chunk of New York into mutants, and Stockman walled off that part of the city! They've got their own town-within-a-town thing going on, and Hob is in charge... somehow!"Then he went on a sabbatical and left a rough outline for how Mutant Town was to be handled. Hob in charge (SOMEHOW) and no killing Hob. So Campbell was basically told to do some slice of life Holding Pattern stories until Waltz returned. Now maybe Campbell could have done a better job, sure, but that was a retarded status quo to be stuck with, and it got worse the longer it had to STAY the status quo, and it HAD to stay the status quo for longer and longer as Waltz decided he wanted more time away from the book. And when he finally returned he gave us Armageddon Game, which was just a pain-in-the-fucking-ass mess that honestly made me remember the worst of the 90s Crossover Events (remember "reading order" checklists where you needed a fucking map to know what you're meant to read, and you somehow STILL ended up feeling like you missed shit even if you read it all? Nobody liked those, Tom!). Waltz did some stuff well initially, and had some solid ideas, but in the long run I think he deserves to be remembered as a fuckup that tried to do so many things at once that few if any of his ideas were ever given the pagespace they needed.
>>151662350Whether Splinter take over Foot Clan, Shredder's redemption and Armageddon Game, Tom Waltz probably have no any decent plans or notes, and don't know how to proceed. So Splinter failed to change Foot Clan and he also have to sacrifice himself to save that murderer who killed his wife. Tom Waltz tweeted how great redemption and forgiveness are. Who cared that Dragon? Despite Waltz's waste over 50 issues hyped up how dangerous Takeshi Tatsuo(the founder of the Foot Clan) and Dragon God were. As for Armageddon Game arc, Krang died multiple times, the Turtles get their ass kicked by some one-shot villains, Rat King want to destroy mankind for no reason and no one care about the destruction of the Pantheon.
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>>151651572>>151651626It not only bombed, word on the grapevine is he had an absurdly good deal, like, "DC wanting to hire a Hollywood star writing"-tier, in terms of payment and royalties. Meaning they not only lost money from it bombing, but each issue was also an absurd order more expensive than usual to make. It was all a total disaster.
>>151664358It's amazing that IDW is still not bankrupt and shut down after all of that.
>>151662350You've got a few things wrong there, but that actually makes it worse. >Waltz spent several issues during his giant trainwreck take on City at War setting up Hob and the Mutanimals building the mutagen bomb, attacking Stockman's rally, and mutating a bunch of random people, but that was it. No further plans for how many, what was supposed to happen after. None of his plans for Armageddon Game involved Mutant Town>This was after he already spent several issues on Jennika getting almost killed and then mutated, even though he had zero plans for her and didn't even intend to include her in his AG plot>Despite planning to have Hob on the hero team for AG, Waltz still had Hob commit an act of heinous bio-terrorism>Waltz only killed off Splinter to bring back Shredder because of some vague idea about having Shredder give them special ninja training to make the asspull ending for AG work>enter Campbell, who was told he would be writing 12 issues, then Waltz would come back, do AG, and then... something. Interviews are totally unclear what the aftermath of AG was supposed to be>Campbell initially wanted to write Escape from New York, but with mutants. IDW told him he couldn't, but allowed him to scale back to Mutant Town. Hence the wall.>Campbell pens a story where the turtles deal with the fallout of Splinter's death and Mutant Town. Arguably, a fairly solid plot for getting the turtles back together after a huge shakeup that involved a ton of people dying and suffering>Waltz accidentally hit it big with The Last Ronin, so his return is delayed by two more fucking years, with AG still required to happen
>>151666946>Campbell is left as writer this whole time just trying to figure out what to do with the story, because he can't touch the villains, the Foot Clan, or anything else>Campbell decides to do a series of references to the Palladium TTRPG line, including more characters and namedrops, sets up a long-term plot with Armagon because he's apparently now locked it even after AG (despite what /co/ and reddit say, the Campbell mutant town issues were selling just fine)>Waltz bumbles back onto the scene ready to finally do the story he spent nearly 10 years hinting at and building up the Pantheon for>Whole fucking event is such a trainwreck with issues being released out of order, nearly a year wasted on setup, only for the following issue that deals with the aftermath of the event to come out before the final issue of AG>AG is an across the board disappointment for everyone that nearly killed IDW again, leading to them trying to drag ass across the finish line by hyping up the "Road to #150" as a big event (because their deal with Paramount was expiring), which failed because the storyline was about resolving things that got built up in the middle of AG>In order to get Paramount to give them another chance, they signed on Jason Aaron to impress Paramount, promising a "back to basics" storyline that would get readers on board again, while failing to realize that Aaron is even worse than Waltz, leading us to where we are todaytl;dr - It's literally entirely, 100% Tom Waltz's fault that this comic went to shit.
>>151666946>>151667150But you do realise that Campbell is just an awful writer regardless and should never have been given such a role in the first place, right? Wet Moon is a comic in which Campbell had full creative control from writing to artwork because it was an original work and it's still absolutely awful, at some point you just can't blame editorial rejections or decisions by previous writers for the writing being awkward, sometimes the writer is just terrible.
>>151665614They have more than TMNT., ya know.
>>151667638They've also got Sonic comics which, unsurprisingly, are not selling either. They haven't cracked the top 50 in a while and anything lower than the top 10 is selling a couple thousand copies at most.
>>151667666Ya know whats weird? Their biggest success this year is a comic based on Event Horizon. Who knew it had that many fans?
>>151667403I'm not saying Campbell would have been amazing without Waltz shackling the entire story to his retarded big event plans. Just that *some* of the worst aspects of the story, like it's aimless tone, and the villains never getting addressed are directly the result of Tom Waltz being a fucking retard. Would it have been that much better if Hob got the shit beat out of him and Stockman got his throat torn out in the streets by angry mutants? Who the fuck knows. But what we can say for certain is that the most glaring faults with Mutant Town are directly the result of Tom Waltz's bullshit.For instance, Jennika. A character Waltz created, and then forced into the story, and then paired with Casey Jones, and then was made into Splinter's surrogate daughter because she saw a rat in prison and had a couple issues where she had conversations with Splinter, and then mutated and made part of the "family" because Waltz thought that sounded cool... and then literally had no other plans for her. He dressed her up as a turtle, gave her a signature weapon, and then... Nothing. He had no plans for her. Barely even included her in AG, except as >and Jennika is also here. Her destiny is now to also be involved sometimes
I only saw the opening with Raph in prison and that issue where they're in court and Donatello absolutely refused to crossexamine any witnesses. What else happened with the Jason Aaron run that made it such a disaster compared to other TMNT IDW storylines?
>>151669096>Oversold the villain (he's a fucking lawyer, but they treat him like he's the King of New York)>Turtles spend more time fight each other than fighting the Foot Clan>Aggressively stupid melodrama. Leo is suicidal for no reason. Donnie is crazy and talking to a dead rat. Mikey is constantly screaming about his TV show. Raph is more angry at everyone and everything than even Raph should be.>Casey Jones gets shot by Lawyer villain so he spends the entire arc in a hospital bed while April puts on his hockey mask and uses a hockey stick like one time, with the help of some rats>Entire city is turned against the turtles for very stupid reasons that the citizens wouldn't actually care that much about, but somehow turns into rioting and violence against anything turtle-related>Meanwhile the Foot Clan are walking around beating random people with spiked clubs, extorting small businesses, and terrorizing the city and no one says anything about it or the fact that all of these evil Foot Cops answer to a lawyer. >Lawyer villain fucked up New York so bad that there's a giant homeless camp in the middle of the city named after her, which he then goes to and personally burns to the ground>Court case happens and everyone hates the turtles>At the last second, April shows up with a bunch of random people who were saved by the turtles and also explicit video evidence of every crime Lawyer guy committed, admitted to on tape, and more>Entire city turns on him and the Turtles are now beloved heroes again>Lawyer runs out of the court house, unable to believe that all the crimes and evil stuff he did made people hate him>He runs to Karai who has been behind closed doors for the entire time. She bursts out and goes>"RAAAAGH I WAS DOING EVIL MAGIC THIS WHOLE TIME! FUCK YOU!!!">then blasts him with evil dragon magic and turns him into a monstrous chimera>Turtles beat him and the city celebrates>It is revealed that Splinter was randomly revived by Karai's evil magic
>>151669445>>At the last second, April shows up with a bunch of random people who were saved by the turtles and also explicit video evidence of every crime Lawyer guy committed, admitted to on tape, and more>>Entire city turns on him and the Turtles are now beloved heroes againHonestly, this is the only part that seems too farfetched nowadays. Powerful people being held accountable by the public? Ha! Not in this lifetime.>He runs to Karai who has been behind closed doors for the entire time. She bursts out and goes>"RAAAAGH I WAS DOING EVIL MAGIC THIS WHOLE TIME! FUCK YOU!!!"This made me laugh, thank you.
>>151669512He's not even powerful. He's one of like 60 District Attorneys in New York alone. They treat him like he became the fuhrer of New York because the Foot Cops answer to him, and no one, not even the real cops, Stockman as the Mayor, or anyone else raises a stink about this random mid-level political figure putting the city under martial law where guys throw shurikens and fire arrows into crowds of protestors.
>>151669554Oh man, that IS dumb. They should have at least made him the Top Prosecutor or some shit. Or for the drama of it all, I might have done something like he's the mayor of new york, but he decided to personally prosecute this one case because it was *so important* turning it into a political circus, and then you could excuse why he has so much power over various elements of the city as well. Do a real underdog vs. the corrupt system kinda thing, you know?I'm interested in the concept of the turtles being stuck in a courtroom case while trying to prove their innocence and regain the public trust. I feel like that's actually a really strong idea, same with "April puts on Casey's mask and wrecks shit", that SOUNDS cool and entertaining. But oh well...
Yo Turtlebros. I got into the Turtles this year and I got Turtles Ultimate edition vol 1-5 which collects all the Mirage stuff that Laird and Eastman did.Where do I go from here? I want to read more Turtles because I loved it so much, but I hear a lot of mixed things.
>>151671153Theres volume 2 of Mirage, Volume 3 by Image, the Tales of the TMNT series...
>>151669445Even in Mutant Nation series, Tom Waltz and others doesn't explaining some of the remaining questions in the Jason Aaron's run. We still don't know why Raph was imprisoned, why Leo want to suicide, why the turtles suddenly hate each others. As for other character, Bludgeon told Karai that he tired of everything about Foot Clan, and now he suddenly wanted to go back and help Karai because he saw a vision of Karai doing something even greater.
>>151672087Yeah that's still a fucking mystery. Something happened in the time between Donnie returning that caused everyone to go insane, hate each other, and then split their separate ways. Even stranger after one of the major resolutions in Campbell's wrap up was that the turtles were finally coming to terms with the fact that they don't have to stay together and only do vigilante ninja shit together. None of it makes any fucking sense and doesn't have any answers, because Aaron just really wanted to do a bunch of gay solo stories, and then a chance to say>It was me! I'm the author that fixed the turtles and brought them back together! Don't everyone praise me all at once for saving TMNT!
>>151666946He even fucked up The Last Ronin now. Without Kevin and Peter's ideas, we can see how bad prequel and sequel are. Not surprised that they want to milking this series, but kill Mikey in order to replace him with April's Mary Sue daughter and 4 super turtles is a huge mistake.
