It looks like shit holy fuckhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g8wLmj9SiKM
>>151681416>Take the anti-communist literature>Turn it into a criticism of capitalismI knew this would happen. Why is communism so ingrained in Hollywood now? Better dead than red, I'd say.
>>151681500Because McCarthy was correct.Also everyone in Hollywood needs to get shot.
>>151681416I'm not watching, but I'm assuming Napoleon is right in this one.
>>151681500International clique
>>151681500big brother won
>>151681416>take a dark artistic anti-communist animated film >turn it into generic kidzslop that looks like any other 3D animated film complete with celebrity VAs and shitLet me guess, they’re doing the Dreamworks face in the posters?
>>151681500>Why is communism so ingrained in Hollywood nowNow? Uncle Walt was calling out commies back in his day.
>>151681642>>151681500Didn't the whole plot of this leak a while ago?
>>151681416what the fuck is this shityou know what, I shouldn't even be surprised
>>151681755For some weird reason, he was called an antisemite for doing it.
>>151681862I thought the movie already came out
>>151681416Hollywood was a mistake. Burn it to the ground.
>>151681862Yeah, in 1945.
>>151681925>leftists calling everyone who's against communism an antisemite or naziwow, who could've guessed
I'm confused. Why is the Stalin character suddenly a misguided goofball and a victim of big business?
>>151682028Honestly, it kind of gives me the impression that the movie was originally written before the Russian invasion of Ukraine and they never bothered changing things to match the new political climate.
>>151681416>tfw i'm psychotic and take this as a personal attack on me and my favorite bookin all seriousness this is so bad
>>151681416>PORTUGAL. THE MAN NEEDLEDROPS IN 2025How do you make a worse Animal Farm cartoon than the fucking CIA?!
>>151681500Because jews made communism to begin with for the purpose of subverting and destroying white nations.Communism and capitalism are 2 sides of the same internationalist pedo club.
>>151682178>umm both sides are equally badwhat a retarded take
>>151682178>>>/pol/ is that way
>the jews subject Russia to the horrors of Bolshevism >anglo writes a book about it>a century later the jews adapt that book and rewrite it so that it portrays the failures of gommunism as actually being capitalism’s fault, also probably white people’s fault tooshiggy diggy
>>151682028Because he’s supposed to be Trump now
Real animal farm has never been tried.
>>151681500Animal Farm was never an anti-communist book, it was an anti-fascist book.
>>151681500>Why is communism so ingrained in Hollywood now?>nowOh you fool but seth rogan needs to die, who ever allowed this to happen needs to die.From now on when anyone talks about animal farm it will be about this movie. Instead of the wonderful book. Because jews hate every author who is not the chosen or speaks ill of them.Srsly when I first heard about this shit happening I was enraged. This shit is a fucking classic,, leave it alone. Its honestly not dated at all.
>>151682394>Because jews hate every author who is not the chosen or speaks ill of them.Maybe you goyim should just shut up and know your place.
>>151682333That is a blatant lie, it's clearly about the USSR.
>>151682333It definitely had anti-fascist elements, most notably in its depiction of Mr. Frederick and Pinchfield Farm, but it was unmistakably anti-communist.
>in theatres May 1stI think they’re releasing it a month late
>>151681500>book that criticisizes capitalism then goes on to critisize the perversion of communism by a select elite leading to the situation being on par or worse than capitalism>"what? anti-capitalism?"
>>151682469>releases in the International Workers' DayReally makes you think.
>>151681416>this film is recommended for ages 11 and upKek, they couldn’t even crack a PG-13 rating on this shit, shouldn’t be surprised seeing cartoons are so sanitized these days you got beanmouth kids warning the viewer about "scary" safe edgy shit, history is truly repeating itself and this is the most sanitized animation has been since the 80’s slop.
>>151682333Holy shit you are a retard
>>151682506>book that criticisizes capitalismnot really
>>151682333
>>151682333stfu reddit-brained retard
>>151682428It's about Nazi Germany. Whole characters are direct references to Himmler and Goebbels, and the ending is about Operation Paperclip.
>>151681416This movie isn't even gonna be 'capitalism bad' it's gonna be 'captialism good when done good' and white wash as much critique of capitalism and communism as it can.
>>151682733pretty sure it's about russia
>>151682333It was an anti-Soviet book from a center-left perspective.
>>151682736Why? Because you're a Russophobe?George Orwell was a socialist. He supported the USSR.
>>151682743.... is this bait or has our education system failed you?
>>151681416What do you expect from Seth Rogan? This is what happens when you let pot smoking commies think they can have any voice on politics.
>>151681559Nah, it'll just be that the wonderful system of communism was corrupted by capitalism rather than the flaws inherent in communism. This is gonna make the CIA 50s cartoon look like a 1 to 1 adaptation I tell you.
>>151682743He was a socialist, he did not support the USSR.>Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.
>>151681925Thats because be wouldnt let communist backed unions bully his workers into joining them. They slandered him for it.
>>151681416Wasnt this shit already out earlier this year? why do they always make people way TOO LONG for something that was clearly near finished? (Yes, this is for the Megaman game too)
>>151681500Because they are in bed with China, and they invited India for a threesome.
>>151682506The book was written by a British man in the 1940s who a soft socialist who thought nothing of doing whatever the government told him like a good English citizen. His criticism of capitalism was what he thought it was. In my opinion, the book does not in fact criticize capitalism and, like 1984, is anti communism with Orwell desperately trying to figure out how it isn't.
>>151682786>Democratic SocialismI don't understand how people can fool themselves into thinking this can even exist when a socialist state requires authoritarianism to even run.
>>151681416>ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh
>>151683154kek
>>151683154>That pinned commentI want to fucking die.
this shit was always CIA funded propaganda
>>151683154>hook up a generator to George Orwell's grave and he'd power the whole farm
family guy cutaway movie
>>151683282>Like that time I ran the country into the ground, blamed my political rival, and assassinated him in Mexico.>Trotsky gets rammed through the skull>ICE PICK BABY!
>>151681416My expectations where low but HOLY SHIT this is straight garbage
>sign says "Man Farm" literally second one of the trailerBRAVO SERKIS
Go watch the Space Goofs parody instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT8bKyDsuKQ
>>151681416>Anti-communist book>Hey, what if the animals had a perfect commune and capitalism fucked it up
>>151682786This is a total lie invented by his publisher in order to sell his books in the anti-communist US.George Orwell was pro-USSR, and anti-west. Animal Farm was about the rise of Hitler and the collusion of the UK with fascists. 1984 was about the BBC and how the British government was trying to institute fascism in the UK. Not a single word of a single page in a single book was anti-communist or anti-Stalin.
>>151683613bait used to be believable
>>151683613Anon the Pigs are obvious standins for Lenin, Stalin, and Trotsky. Who the fuck do you think they would even represent if they're supposed to be Nazis?
But are the animals fuckable?
Barnyard 2
>>151682741A sensible center-left perspective?
Orwell murdered priests and nuns in Spain.
>>151683639How are they standins for Lenin or Stalin? One of them is literally called 'Napoleon', a fascist.
>>151683639Hitler Goebbels and Göring
>>151681416What the fuck is this whole subplot with the evil high tech company? Fuck off. How can you missed the point this hard.
>>151683711basically
>>151681500The commies who run Hollywood were too scared to look in the mirror, hence why they made it criticizing le capitalismReminds me of what happened to The Lorax, the original idea had shit like Biggering in it which conveyed the idea that corporate greed can corrupt you but since Illumination is the slop-making studio they were too scared to look in the mirror and instead in the final movie they made it about the Onceler just being ignorant to the environment rather than greed-corrupted.
>>151683957Napoleon wasn't a fascist, and the Stalin pig was named after him because Stalin was accused of Bonapartism by many in the anti-Stalinist left, which Orwell was part of.
>>151681500It was anti-authoritanian you idiot.
>>151683957Napoleon is literally Stalin anon. He takes over for Old Major (Lenin) after his death and banishes Snowball (Trotsky) from the farm (the USSR)How do you not recognize this? Why do you think the name Napoleon means he's a fascist? Napoleon was an Emperor and Fascism didn't even exist when he was conquering Europe.
>>151683385>starring Seth RogenWe really don't hate that retard enough.
>>151683957Napoleon Bonaparte was an absolute monarchist. As evidence by how he crowned himself king and married his family members off to other royal houses.
>>151684037How is Napoleon in any way similar to Stalin? Stalin built the USSR from nothing and made it the envy of the world. By the 1960's, all of Eastern Europe had a higher standard of living than the United States.You've been lied to by a British publishing company.
>>151684105Ah yes, and that's why everyone was escaping to west germany, because the USSR was Soooo great.
>>151684117Stop replying to him. He can't be this stupid, he's obviously trolling for reactions.
>>151684117Former Nazis and their children were fleeing justice. Again, you fell for the propaganda.
>>151683154Reading the comments section genuinely makes me question my sanity.
>>151681416THIS SUMMER
>>151683131That is not necessarily true, and in practice most capitalist societies are/were authoritarian anyhow. Pick your poison.
>>151681935This is a very lazy Mandela Effect attempt I remember even seeing a review trashing it
>>151684614How are you going to get someone to willingly give up their capital without force anon? It cannot be done.
>>151681416Sticking with the manga by Shotaro Ishinomori
Evil cannot create, it can only destroy.
>>151684654I'm not even a socialist, but that's just how reality works outside of anarchist pipe dreams.
>>151684483All i know is socialism is the same thing as communism and both of them are bad because china.
>>151684720Funny how the only form of socialism that ever worked was national socialism.
>>151682210>Implying that Lenin didn't persecute Jews>Implying no 300,000 Polish Jews forced into gulags>>>>Implying no Holodomor in the area of Ukraine where all the Jews were>implying I can't see your obvious commie sympathies because you re making them out to be the victimI love Russians but communism is awful.>>151682333>>151682741>>151683812Actually, Orwell being a Socialist, it was anti-communism from a moderate left perspective, not centre left. And it is more anti-authoritarian generally so it is anti fascist but only implicitly. Anti communism was its main aim.>>151683957Imperialists might commit genocides, but fascists commit extermination campaigns. Napoleon did one, but not the other. The difference in extent is large, and brought about by differences in the philosophy, the latter of the two being far more absolutist.
>>151684785lmao no, the Nazi economy was even more retarded than the commies. It was one gigantic war boom that depended on constant expansion.
>>151684686And he was a based anti-fascist as well. Case in point, Kamen Rider. Shocker are literally Nazis. Not Neo Nazis, but Nazi refugees.He was properly based, and didn't use his anti fascism as a mask for antisemitism like some people do.
>>151684878>from a moderate left perspective, not centre left.That is what I intended to say. Fuck me, I hate political terminology.
>>151681416Never should have made it past some retard daydreaming about the very idea. I'm sure there are worse examples, but watching that trailer feels like laying eyes on the final boss of american animated dumbed-down sludge.
>anons blaming hollywood and the jews>when in fact this shit is being made by UTAH MORMONS who want all movies to be kid friendlyI AM AWAKE ARE YOU?
Jesus fucking Christ.We live in a world where irony is dead. And God too.
>>151685245They're just reinforcing the political binary. It's about killing nuance. We must teach our kids that socialism = good or socialism = bad with no other qualifiers given so we can fight the other side forever and get nothing done.
Casting Seth Rogan as a communist pig is a little on the nose!
>>151684945>THAT MEANS HE WAS A LEFTISTWas he tough? cause i think you would be dissapointed sunshine, the only full leftard i am aware off, are Miyazaki and Hiroshi Harada.
>>151684483>These have to be bots right?He doesnt know..........The Theory......
>>151684716So how do you convince someone to work in a society where you are guaranteed everything you ever need? More important how are you going to convince someone to improve society if thet see no direct benefit from doing so?
>>151683353>Capitalist PigFuck you for tricking us commie, also, why the fuck cartoons made by that company had this weird blurry framerate?
>>151681416>>151681500>>151681642Just a reminder to the illiterate that George Orwell was a Democratic Socialist who fought with the Libretarian Marxists in Spain and Animal farm is more a criticism of Stalin than it is of Communism.This movie is going to be absolutely shit either way. Seth Rogan is a pretentious retard.
>>151683613How much poop does the jeet who programmed you conzooms? heh mr bollyboot?
>>151685447It's amazing how far back>not real communismGoes as a defense for communism.
I always thought the idea of teaching and presenting a real-life revolt where thousands of people including children die was pathetic and stupid. It's a historical event, not some weird headcanon fairy tale. It's nonsense. And don't say they're actually supposed to be separate stories because that's such a piss-poor and logically bankrupt justification.
>>151685493Yes it goes back to about 1848. Of course it isn't real communism, countries have only ever resorted to "communism" during times of economic and political turmoil as a way to secure and centralize power within the government. No country that was actually doing well to begin with has tried communism because if the system is working why the fuck would you mess with it?? Communism just distributes resources equally but it doesn't generate new resources out of nowhere when your whole country is destitute and you're in a famine.
>>151682333You're rightIt's telling that the one good pig was chased out of the farm by Napoleon for actually trying to fulfill socialist ideals.
>>151685493Point out to me where exactly in the text of my comment I made that point. You can't because you are just fabricating a strawman that has nothing to do with what I wrote.
>>151685673>Animal farm is more a criticism of Stalin than it is of Communism.Was Orwell not basically using a "not real communism" argument to defend the fact he was a socialist?
>>151685447>who fought with the Libretarian Marxists in SpainAnd it literally soared him of marxists because of how perverse they were.
>>151681500>Why is communism so ingrained in Hollywood now?Who nose?
>>151685542You're saying you hate allegories. Your neurodivergency may hate things not being literal, but it doesn't make things that are allegorical tasteless. Animal Farm is a story that highlights important things people should know, it has moral points to the story, and therefore the story has moral value. It doesn't mention the very many people who died to oppression and corruption in the pre and post Soviet-controlled world, but it isn't 'pathetic' and 'stupid' because that's not what the point of the story is about. Are you going to complain that The Simpsons, while being set in America, doesn't detail the many heinous crimes of America?
>>151682333what's the difference?
>>151684003"Biggering" explicitly states the Once-ler's failing isn't greed but pride.
>>151685991The Simpsons doesn't make the conceit or pretence that it's attempting to be an allegory of a notorious and controversial historical event. This is a pretty weird non-sequitur.
>>151686080>what's the difference between equality and workers owning the means of production, and a literal corporate hellhole run by an authoritarian
>>151685756The type of Libretarian society that Spainards hoped to achieve was almost entirely different to what was happening in the Soviet Union. The group that Orwell joined in Spain was explictly anti-Stalinist.>>151685812>And it literally soared him of marxists because of how perverse they were.You didn't read the book. He held a grudge against Soviet Communists for actively working to Suppress and Sabotage the Spaniards attempt at a Libretarian Socialism and to the point where Stalin essentially let Franco's facist dictatorship fully annihilate the Spainards because they would not assimilate to Stalin's political ends.Orwell's political position was extremely nuanced. Above anything else he rejected authoritarianism, Facism and anthing which resembled either and he was not afraid to brutally attack and criticise even his own political peers for failing to remain decent by continuing to be integral to that stance. 99% of the people who claim George Orwell haven't read him and don't actually understand his arguments or why they are so important.
>>151686578i already know how capitalism and communism, respectively, are different
>>151686706Not that Anon, but you would describe Capitalism as "a literal corporate hellhole run by an authoritarian"?
>>151684720I unironically believe that
>>151681500Isn't Snowball Trotsky from the start?
>muh capitalism>muh communismIs there no third option?
This looks like one of those fake AI Pixar parody movies
>>151686646you lack media literacy
>>151687973Absolute monarchy?
>>151687973Keynesian Social Democracy?
>>151687973utopian socialismthe marxists buried it
Why is Andy Sirkus name front and center? Does he really have that much star power?
>>151687973Fascism was the third option and the other two ideologies tore it down.
Angel Studios is distributing this?
>>151688251Keynes is easily one of the dumbest fucking economists to ever live. His shit ideas have all but crippled Europe into what it is now.
>>151681416What the hell have they done?
>>151683154
>>151681416Good God, I knew it would be bad, but this is beyond what I could have imagined.
>>151681416YOU WON'T BELIEVE YOUR EYES
Did they show the Animal Farm flag?
>>151686899ayup
>>151688108How so Anon, please explain.
>>151687973
Oo-OOO
>the sloshing sfx when the Seth Rogan pig shakes his assFuarkkkk
>NOOO this is a serious cynical allegory for->hehe talking pig twerking
>>151688108Homage to Catalonia is quite literally just a collection of entries from Orwell's war diary Anon.
so is animal farm a critic of communism or what? every single fucking time I see anything that is supposed to criticize communism people pivot it to something else.
>>151681500>Why is communism so ingrained in Hollywood now?Now? Gee wiz I wonder which group of people it was that founded Hollywood.
>>151682178Unironically true, but /co/ is a lefty board so they'll disregard what you said.
Socialism doesn't work for the same reason that Communism doesn't work, for the same reason that Capitalism doesn't work, in that they all just assume the humans involved would participate in good nature. In reality we've seen where socialism and communism leads (dictator styled authoritarianism), and we're currently in the midst of where capitalism leads (a corporate styled authoritarianism). Ironically all those idealogies could only ever work small scale with people you trust, but scaled up whatever bad faith actor will abuse it and end up on top.
>>151688528Better or worse than Adam Smith.
>>151681416this is like a parody of every summer CG family movie ever made
>>151681862you mean the book?
Austrian School of Economics movie when?
>>151689700>so is animal farm a critic of communismYes, SOVIET Communism and specifically under Stalin. Orwell was targeting how the Russian Communist ideals were corrupted by authoritarian rule, not issuing a blanket rejection of every possible form of communism or socialism.>every single fucking time I see anything that is supposed to criticize communism people pivot it to something else.That's because you are missing some much needed nuance. Communism isn’t a single uniform concept. Orwell was criticizing a specic historical configuration of communism (Soviet Stalinism) rather than the entire range of socialist or communist theories that existed in his time. Again Orwell was a socialist himself and what he rejected and wrote against was facism and authoritainism.
>>151689878>This Every single last political ideology is a fucking spook
I haven't seen such bland as fuck copy and pasted background characters since maybe Toy Story. And that's only if you actually pause it and notice every kid that is kept obscured is Andy. Here almost everyone is some sort of mulatto looking fuck.
>>151690487I hate how every fucking animated film these days is just pixarfied/dreamworksfied characters with realistic textures and photorealistic backgrounds, this was something that was impressive like 15 years ago but has been driven into the fucking ground since, we’ve reached the peak of realism in terms of render quality with Toy Story 4 back in 2019, why even try to compete at this point? It’s starting to veer into the uncanny valley. It’s this kind of style that screams "generic kids flik", you got your occasional Hotel Transylvanias and The Bad Guys that embrace animation and know how to stylize but this style is still prevalent in a majority of modern animation. Why not take influence from the original animated film and make it look dark and gritty rather than some foreign kids shit you’d find on Tubi?
>>151689878holden caulfield post
>it's communism bad!>no it's fascism bad!it's authoritarianism, retards
>>151683154holy kek
Hasn't this same retard shown up before ineffectively trying to gaslight everyone with his "Animal Farm wasn't about communism" shtick? Does /co/ have reruns?
>>151690904>Why not take influence from the original animated film and make it look dark and gritty rather than some foreign kids shit you’d find on TubiYou're assuming these creators even give a shit about animation as a medium.
How hard did Seth Rogen suck off Epstein? Was he his personal fuckboy when he was 8? The man has no talent, no range and no skills and he keeps getting roles. He isnt even a public darling like Chris Pratt or looks good like him. He still gets hired for every fucking thing no matter how little he fits it
>>151691296>Animal Farm wasn't about communism" shtick?No one in this thread is making that argument Anon. You have the reading comprehension of a toddler.
>>151682428>That is a blatant lie, it's clearly about the USSR.It's about any kind of totalitarianism from fascism to stalinism. It's about recognizing the evils of authoritarians of any stripe and how corrupt they are at their very core due to their lack of morals. That you can see one as evil and not the other is entirely the problem with you and your fascist compatriots.
>>151691645Its because Seth is part of the tribe, thats all you really need nowadays to make it, talent and skills be damned.
>>151686646All communism is the same. There is no situation where it can work without a dictator like Stalin running the show. Any idiot acting like one version of socialism will magically fix the innate issues of the ideology is retarded. The ideology has no foundation and crumbles regardless of implementation. The reason Capitalism always thrives is because it is essentially just a basic barter system and can exist with or without state overview where socialism cannot.
This is really just a movie about the death of any kind of dictator, not Stalin specifically or even any communist one, it's actually really about the Nazis when you think about it.
>>151690487>>151690904Only thing I even remotely like about them is that it shows how awful adults dress now compared to like the 2000s (even though they were still pretty schlubby back also)
>>151681416
>>151691855Ah, NTA, but now I see where you slipped. You fell for the bait-and-switch, anon. Don't worry, you're part of the last two or three generations worth of people who were conned just as hard. You're conflating authoritarianism with an economic theory. Capitalists need people like you to fall for it so that any attempt to improve the conditions of workers is seen as 'Stalin'. It's thought-termination. The faster you come to terms with that and get angry at the cocksuckers that conned you the better.
>>151692065The 5 day work week and 8 hour work day was the creation of Henry Ford. A capitalist. He even wanted to give his workers guaranteed company shares but was stopped by wall street investors. The ironic thing is that your fight for "workers rights" often backfire and fuck the very people you claim you care about.
>>151691855>There is no situation where it can work without a dictator like Stalin running the show.The indian state of Kerala (which has a democratically elected communist party which still exists to this day), José Mujica's Uruguay (although he was more of a market socialist) Salvador Allende's Chile which was an (explicitly Marxist, Democratic Socialist government) successfully prevented several major economic downturns using a highly computerized economic centralization system. All of these examples come to mind as fairly successful and most notably humane Socialist governments.>The ideology has no foundation and crumbles regardless of implementation.19 century Political Economy? Would you apply the same reasoning to disregarding the theories of Adam Smith?>The reason Capitalism always thrives is because it is essentially just a basic barter system and can exist with or without state overviewEcon 101 students are laughing at you.
>>151692123They don't 'backfire', they're poisoned by interconnected capitalist interests corrupting or subverting the goals. I know it's hard to grasp; reality is a lot harder to convert into simplistic meme pictures than a bunch of meaningless, empty buzzwords. But the fast you grow up, the better. It is more childish to retain the myth of capitalist superiority. Notice I don't use 'supremacy'. Exploiting workers en masse for hundreds of years typically means you have a shitton of money to afford military and intelligence apparatus' more than capable of attacking things that can improve people's lives. Ask yourself, anon. If these ideologies were so weak and prima facia untenable...why go through so much trouble shutting them down? Why have the CIA prop up every tinpot dipshit in power in South America?
>>151692294>a bunch of meaningless, empty buzzwords.You're certainly an authority there.
>>151692294Oh shut the fuck up about >muh CIA ruined communismIt's such a bullshit excuse because it completely disregards the fact the Soviets were doing the exact same fucking thing and still fucking lost because Communism fucking sucks. There were dozens of communist nations in the 1960s, now there are 5. The funny thing is that 4 of those 5 nations the US directly intervened in their development.
>>151681500The Hollywood has been red for the better part of a centuryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOtinTlx7yo
>>151688499>do capitalism but racistI HAVE INVENTED A WHOLE NEW IDEOLOGY!!!1!1!!
>>151692123>The 5 day work week and 8 hour work day was the creation of Henry Ford.That is not at all true, the labor movements which campained for more humane working conditions far predate Ford's implementation (https://www.jstor.org/stable/2123280)and Ford primarily did so in order to reduce employee turnover, cut his labor costs, and discourage collective bargaining not for any sort of purely alturistic reasons. (https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w2101/w2101.pdf ) >A capitalist. This is a child's sense of nuance Anon. Reducing political and economic development in to a series of moralistic good guys and bad guys is as infantile as it is useless. I do not believe that Henry Ford was an evil man because he was a Capitalist and that is not the argument that I am making.>He even wanted to give his workers guaranteed company shares but was stopped by wall street investors.I'm going to need you to provide me a source for that one.>The ironic thing is that your fight for "workers rights" often backfire and fuck the very people you claim you care aboutYou should provide some evidence and or reasoning as to why that would be the case.
>>151681500>"AND sell them tickets to watch it."
>>151692571Didn't that guy sold out to a bunch of anti porn grifters?
>>151692503Which other nations are commie outside of. China? Seems like Socialism is just Communism Light, if that's the case pretty much 90% of the planet nations turn soft commie sadly.
>>151692966national socialism is the best form of government.
>>151687973Distributism
>>151692966Socialism: Seeks to promote economic equality via the re-orientation of economic resources from privately owned to public, collectively owned. This is more so an economic model than it is an ideology or political philosophy and can exist in various forms (such as Democratic, Market, Centralized, etc.) This is why you can find Socialist policies within Capitalist systems.Communism: A theory of Socialism in which, using the technological advancement, accumulated wealth and immense productive capabilities of advanced Capitalism as a pre-requisite, redistributes wealth according to need, abolishes private property (as it is legally defined, which is in relation to privately owned land and resources and not personally owned property) and fully orients the "Means of Production" (tools, factories, land, and other resources necessary for economic production and activity) to public collective ownership.
>>151693304I could actually see Distributism gaining popularity in the coming years. A sort of middle way, Christian Socialism which preserves free Market enterprise which entirely prioritizes small, local business and family owned farms as the center of society.
>>151682178>Communism and capitalism are 2 sides of the same internationalist pedo club.Capitalism isn't a real ideology. It is a word Commies made to call people money worshippers for not joining their death cult.
>>151686646>was not afraid to brutally attack and criticise even his own political peers for failing to remain decent by continuing to be integral to that stance.Seemly made no difference when he decided to join the side of lunatic murderers and rapists.
>>151681416Nobody cares because modern 4chan is all about licking authority's boots because the youtube slop machine told them it was cool and counter culture.
>>151692135I'm from Uruguay, we are capitalists, not communists. Why are you lying? Uruguay itself has quite a bunch of its economy coming from selling luxury goods.
>>151688499this>>151692796big mammon wants you to believe this
>>151693597Lpbp/thread
>>151692065Nta but you are being a huge fool.Answer me, in a non-authoritarian society who is enforcing that "nobody owns the means of production"? How are you going to prevent it from emerging without force?Also while I can't honestly insist that Marx's anarcho communist is an outright impossibility, I will point out that it's been observed on anthropological and sociological grounds that systems similar to what Marx proposes yield opposite results to what Marx envisioned his system would result in. The lower the levels of government intervention and control, the more intensely inequality manifests, while Marx proposes an outright anarchic stateless system that would see unprecedented levels of equality in the forms of the abolishment of class, wealth, and personal property. While it's true without a state none of these concepts are strictly legislatively codified, inequality in peoples' abilities and scarcity of resources with alternate uses would lead to these concepts still existing on an implicit level.Marx's insistence on the dissolution of private property seems especially foolhardy. If private property does not exist, then all individuals have equal claim to a resource, but the scarcity of the resource means that all people who both desire and have equal claim to it cannot partake in that resource at the same time, leading to dispute. Dispute which would be settled not by who legally owns the private property, but by who has the most power and can merely assert ownership of the resource by force.Marx's vision seems to be the over optimistic belief that people will act with the extreme civility a state imposes, without the state.The other thing though is that if you accomplished that social, cultural and societal upheaval it would make the implementation of anarcho communism unnecessary or superfluous.
>>151693638All the nations he listed are capitalist with social welfare programs which is nowhere near socialism.
>>151693638Can you read?
>>151693737Anon you used the guy's country as an example of a socialist nation when it clearly isn't. What the fuck are you on about?
>>151693736>>151693737So he is a retard and doesn't really addressed what the anon said, and is trying to steal the valor of capitalism by naming countries who are foremost capitalist countries.So long as scarcity exists wealth exists, whether it's implicit in the inequality of peoples' needs, resources and abilities or officially codified by state legal tender.The theoretical communism envisioned by Marx is a literal impossibility and it's disingenuous to use it as a baseline to judge political systems in place of all of the historic political systems that were all directly influenced by Marx and Engel's works and all incredibly similar to each other. Every common thread between leninism, Stalinism, and Mao's regime is directly traceable back to attempting to realize the vision of the Communist manifesto despite the fact that it's fundamentally impossible. At its core communism as envisioned by Marx and Engels is anarchism but with outcomes which are antithetical to anarchism. Anarchism leads to the highest levels of inequality and power disparities, not the absolvement of it.
>>151684508EVERYONE'S FAVORITE PIG
>>151693758No, I specifically mentioned that Uruguay under the presidency of José Mujica lead a market socialist oriented governance as an an example of Socialism (or adjacent policy as Mujica was closer to a traditional Social-Democrat which is again a form of Socialism) being both humane and successful without devolving into authotitarainism.
>>151687973Victoria 2 taught me that playing as a monarchy and choosing the fascist party is the strongest combo in the game.
>>151693736In there current contemporary forms. I was very particular to specifit that all of these governments (and again I specified either under specific party or individual leadership) achived successful socialist policy at the time of said leadership. At no point in the text of my comment did I write that any of these govenments were examples of still existing Socialism. You are arguing in bad faith and trying to cause misdirection.
>>151681416What the fuck.What the actual, absolute fuck.
>>151693833That is not communism, dingus. The fact that your favorite system can only work when its 90% capitalist shows how patethic it really is.
>>151693874"At some point these capitalist countries had some welfare, this means that communism is a good political position, even so they were at all points capitalist".
>>151693939I did did not mention Coummunism at all in regards to Uruguay but AGAIN pecifically mentioned Market Socialism by name.The section of the OP quote I replied to was this >(1)"All communism is the same. (2)There is no situation where it can work without a dictator like Stalin running the show. (3) Any idiot acting like one version of socialism will magically fix the innate issues of the ideology is retarded." And so in response I replied with: (1) a successful attempt of Communism which came to exist within a liberal democracy (Kerala) which is a form of Coummunist government unlike the majority we have historically seen (2) a form of Democratic Socialism with a successful planned Economy (Chile under Allende) which did in fact work without a dictator like stalin and (3) a successful experiment in Market Socialism (Uruguay under Mujica) which runs in contrast to the more explicitly Marxist orientation of the previous two examples
>>151685345You really don't like anon bringing up the parallels to Operation Paperclip, huh
>>151685303Devaluing their contribution simply makes it easier for their influence to spread, you never acknowledge it because you agree with them in principle
>>151693597>shows up 200+ posts late>"No one cares because GRIFTERS"Buddy, touch brass at your earliest convenience.
>>151693939>The fact that your favorite system can only workLol I'm going to make this very clear btw I'm personally not a Communist Anon. If anything I'm closer to something like a third way minarchist but I do find Socialism extremely interesting in a theoretical sense and I enjoy discussing with people about it.And with that I'm going to shut the fuck up now and stop posting because I'm pretty sure that this thread is off topic now.
>>151694050None of these fit the criteria to communism, bozo. You are literally using capitalist countries as example of communism.
>>151681416 Animal Farm is just a dystopian horror book. Intelligent animals that can talk? The same vibe as The Island of Dr. Morro.
>>151694178Shit's scary
>>151681500the question is why we aren't doing anything about itI know we're better than them, but at this point? This is the ideological equivalent of raping somebody's kid. you gotta take them out behind the woodshed yknow.
>>151681522mccarthy was communism's strongest soldier, and a template for modern fake politicians>>151685447dude don't just lie
>>151681500>Animal Farm>Anti CommunistRetard
>>151694178it does bother me how we have this same basic story over and over>it turns out animals can talk>until the start of this movie, nobody ever EVER believed animals were intelligent, despite millennia of study>nor has any animal ever behaved in a way that illustrates its intelligence, or fights back in any way against being treated, as it were, 'like an animal.'>but NOW, right now, something huge is going to happen and everyone's going to have to face how wrong they were! Except they weren't wrong, until just now. and if they were, the animals were exactly as wrong, if not worse.it just doesn't work. There's so few examples of talking animals that make sense, I can count them on one hand>Martha Speaks>Chi's Sweet Home>The Jungle Bookthey actually THINK like animals. They have simplistic emotions, codes of behavior they don't question, and constant desires for pleasure that they can only somewhat resist.
>>151688693then your parents and teachers should be ashamed, and will pay someday for their crimes.
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>>151681416>Bunch of Commie Jews don't understand Orwell>/co/ doesn't understand OrwellEither way this looks like shit
>>151694415And he became disillusioned with it after getting shot in the throat which is something you fags always conveniently leave out.
>>151694453He wrote the book that this passage is from about 5 years after he was shot in the throat in Spain Anon. This is from "Why I write" not Homage to Catalonia and you would know this if you actually read Orwell.
>>151690487Why are there even fucking people AT the Animal Farm? It was a central theme of the book that all the humans hated the Animal Farm because it showed that they, the humans, (or the capitalists, if we want to cut through the allegory) were unnecessary and therefore attempted to crush it as hard as they could. And the animals, having literally inscribed the rule 'two legs bad,' banned humans from the farm.(With the exception of Napoleon's shifty trading partners, of course.)
Donkeys live a long time
>>151694526>you would know this if you actually read Orwell.they can barely read anon, lets not ask miracles here
>>151694625Why DO humans live so long? We're only outmatched by, like, turtles and jellyfish.
>>151694526The issue with this is of course that he stood against marxism which is inherently tied to socialism due to the fact that it is what communists use as a stepping stone and marx himself spoke of this.
>>151694636One of the main benefits apes have is that they're good at learning things and gaining skills so the longer they live the more they benefit from that. Human lifespan isn't that far off from other apes.
>>151694699Don't apes die at 40?
>>151694636Diet, Hygiene, Natural Selection, Society making life easier.
>>151694636Most things tend to live a lot long in captivity. >>151694722In the wild, probably about as long as humans lived too. Under human care they last to the 60-70's
>>151691882Kek
>>151694736Thats not how that works, if you give a mouse all the benefits of human civilization it's not going to live to 80
Holy fuck, tankies are seething itt
>>151681500Man I wanna see them starve to death under a communist government and ask them again, but that would mean I'm also under that government.Maybe time travel?
>>151695143gotta love how it's socially acceptable for jews to do this shit
>>151689878Unfortunately true
DUDE CORRUPTED SOCIALISMLMAO
>>151681500All the replies to this post and nobody has bothered to ask this faggot how exactly he thinks a movie made by an explicitly Christian studio whose only other animated adaptations have been Bible stories, hiring celebrity VAs and shitting all over the source material with licensed pop songs (which all presumably cost big bucks) with the intention making it attractive to modern audiences so it can make them a profit is in any way "anti-capitalist".
>>151694722We all die at 40.
>>151695626That's because the answer is so simple that nobody feels the need to state it and you'd have to be an idiot to not understand it intrinsically. Anti-capitalist stuff sells just as well as anything else, which is all the capitalist cares about. After all, Elvis sold 'I hate Elvis' merchandise. Those who hate capitalism are just another market for capitalism to exploit.
>>151695673That's deep, man.
>>151685447>Orwell was a socialist!!!Yeah, and how did they work out for him? Did he stay in his glorious socialist utopia's or did he abandon them for western capitalist territories?
>>151681416They'll be too pussy to show all the death and suffering that made the original story have weight.
>>151695626This didn't make this movie, they bought it after it had been finished on the cheap after pretty much everyone else passed on it. It bombed at the film festivals.It doesn't even have the iconic ending of them looking to the pigs, then humans and not seeing the difference
>criticism of capitalism>looks nothing but capitalist vomithow many layers of irony are there?
>>151696259As many as the cowardice of man can handle nowdays.
>>151695777>t. Timbox
>>151681416>recommended for ages 11 and upThen why did they spend every other minute of the trailer marketing it to four year olds?
>>151694050Your response still cites nations that are capitalist economies first and foremost. Welfare does not socialism make. It's so obvious that socialism fails when the only time socialist policies can exist is at the behest of a capitalist economy funding it.
>>151696349NTA but a lot of this argument is just a a semantic difference between what "socialism" means to Americans (communism) and what it means to the rest of the world (social democracy).
>>151696403The rest of the world actively argues against that though. Remember when Scandinavian leadership came out just to tell Bernie Sanders to stop calling their countries socialist?
>>151684067People who called him “The Next Sandler” really sold short what a piece of shit he is. Sandler’s just some lazy boomer who makes lazy boomer movies, Rogen thinks he’s some kind of revolutionary,
>>151681500Animal Farm was about how a movement with intentions to benefit the whole was overtaken by Stalin and turned into a regime that served to only benefit him. Trying to make Stalin innocent or misguided overwrites the one purpose the book exists to serve.
>>151684105The USSR would have have died if not for Lend-Lease
>>151684785wdym? They're both retarded totalitarian ideologies cut from the same cloth but the USSR lasted a hell of a lot longer than Nazi Germany
>>151692796The National SOCIALISTS had more in common with the commies than the capitalists
>>151691882I fucking love this movie
Years ago, I saw a fanmade Animal Farm sequel by a teenage girl. She turned it into a romantic drama between Benjamin and Clover as they overthrew Napoleon who cackled evilly at his evil plans. It was filmed with Littlest Pet Shop figures.That video was more enjoyable and closer to the spirit and message of the book than this fucking trailer, and that's pretty impressive.
I'm gonna write a book called "I love the Nazi ideology, but I don't agree with Nazi Germany"
>>151683154What exactly is AngelStudios trying to say?
>>151696614Focus on the veganism and animal cruelty laws. Also, smoking was considered bad.
>>151685245What is a mormon if not a utah jew who believes in ufos?
>>151681416Is Angel Studios capable of making anything good?
>>151681500>Media made by jews>Original theme is replaced with bullshit to further an agendaWooah
>>151681416Orwell warned us about this.
>>151682743>George Orwell was a socialist. He supported the USSR.Yes, he was socialist. But obviously he didn't support the USSR, what with its totalitarian policies.
>>151689878This is a retarded argument honestly. It's like saying "you'll die anyway so might as well kill yourself". Obviously we should still aim to make things work as good as possible. Feudalism once existed and now it's gone, there's nothing to say another society can't exist.
>>151692796>do communism but racist>I HAVE INVENTED A WHOLE NEW IDEOLOGY!!!1!1!!>>151687973The dialectic is gay retarded.>Commies invented an ideology to label people who don't want to join their death cult. People then began to adopt the fake ideology out of spite. The fake ideology still manages to be less evil than Communism.The true way to break the compass and unlearn everything built on the ideological framework of Marx.
>>151698318>unlearn everything built on the ideological framework of Marx.We shouldn't have reduced the work hours?
>>151681642When I first saw it I was hoping they were gonna make the plot and subject matter much darker than the animation, and it's a shame they aren't. It'd be a pretty good critique that way.A Cute 3d movie about talking animals but ends up with the animals in a worse position mirrors how the public perception tries to paint communism as sunshine and rainbows compared to what the truth would be. Could have actually been kino.
