>>151690345
Yeah, just try telling that to prequel babies.

>>151690345
>here are not even the original versions of those characters
there the original versions of their prequel era stuff retard we knew next to nothing about Obi-Wan and Anakin from before the fall of the Jedi before the prequel movies came out

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>>151691206
*ahem*

>>151690345
This should be posted more often to spite the "good friend" coomertards

The Clone Wars TV show is not in continuity with the movies, no matter was Lucasfilm says. The proof's in the pudding and there's lots of stuff that doesn't line up.

Ahsoka not being mentioned in the third film is merely awkward. Impossible to rectify are that Grevious is a totally different character (a dangerous warrior vs. an empty fraud) and the character of the sepratists; in the TV show many of the planets with the sepratists just want to get away from the corruption of the republic but in the films it's a small group of what are basically gangster who ARE the corruption of the republic (see the trade federation senators in the first movie). Palpatine's coup was convincing them to just turn themselves into warlords. When Grevious dies and the gangsters are wiped out on Palpatine's orders the entire war ends in minutes because there's no one left on one side.

Then there's the clone troopers; sympathetic everymen trying to do their jobs and get by in the TV series, the third film definitely portrays them as always having been bad guys who'll do anything they're told no matter how evil.

I think mentioning Dexter's 50s diner at the end is supposed to be a jab at silly stuff introduced by prequels

>>151691762
I always asumed Order 66 was literal hidden brainwashing, I don't think Sheev could have trusted clones who could just refuse orders or warn jedi beforehand, his entire plan relied on them backstabbing jedi at the right time.

Though, having watched Clone Wars I was always annoyed how much time writers spent exploring and developing clones, they are really a very one-note character(s)

>>151692442
>I always asumed Order 66 was literal hidden brainwashing
Why would that be needed when in the second movie they already said the clones have been altered to make them more obediant?

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Pre-Prequel Star Wars is interesting.

>>151690345
>Yeah, except prequel trilogy has done the exact same thing to Episodes 4-6
Yeah and they suck too

>>151690345
Empire and Return also did the same thing to the original Star Wars. Luke, Leia, and Darth Vader weren't all related.

>>151692652
Adding context to character's history that wasn't previously explained is a lot differemt than outright retconning shit.

>>151692442
101st Airborne Div from Battlefront knew it was coming, they couldn't look Aayla Secura in the eue when she praised them as the bravest men in the Republic.

>>151690345
>>151692551
The things people like about The Clone Wars are in spite of the Prequels, not because of them. Anakin is written and depicted far differently to how he's portrayed in the films, and he's a much better character because of it. Retcons had to be introduced because the show expanded on parts of the setting that the films left woefully underdeveloped or unexplored and so ended up clashing with what ends up occurring in the movies. The constraints put upon TCW by the events of the prequels consistently hampered the storytelling in the show, forcing it to bend over backwards to try and clear the slate for the events of Episode III and make up for the lack of character development/worldbuilding that was present in the movies.

>>151692504
because the clones in the clone wars have vastly different characterization from what they were depicted as in the prequels

a hidden order that they carry out was possible back when the clones were depicted more as meat droids who could simply be programmed to do something that nobody would ever question
but when clone wars came out, the clones all had distinct and human personalities
they also re-contextualized their relationship with the jedi from merely being subordinates to personal friends and comrades who would go out of their way to save the clones

so you have a situation where clones are sapient, thinking beings, who are often shone to have close friendships with the jedi
their loyalty to the republic is abstract and distant, their loyalty to the jedi immediate and personal
not to mention that the clones being deliberately chosen over droids for their independent thoughts and creativity naturally leads to them being able to question orders, reduces autonomy be damned

there was just no way the clones, as depicted in the show, would be able to willingly keep a secret order to kill their friends or go through with the order

>>151692537
Casper Van Dien?

>>151694036
I always figured the that clones had some sort of programming and that the phrase "Execute Order 66" deleted their personalities and attachments.

>OT
Kind of sloppy and retarded but everyone gives it a pass for being the first.
>PT
The success of the OT gives Lucas carte blanche to get even more sloppy and retarded, so his fat autistic ass tries to cram 14 fucking in-universe years covering an intergalactic civil war and the lifetime of Darth Vader into 3 films. With action, romance, political intrigue, slapstick comedy and a shitload of characters jostling for screen time.

That said, Lucas is genuinely inspired so he provided a sandbox framework for some of the best auxiliary Star Wars media to exist, fleshing out the Clone Wars.
>ST
actually the complete reverse issue of the PT which is even worse, covers one (1) in-universe year spread across 3 films where the setting basically resets to the OT but 1000x worse, no writer can do anything with the material provided because there's nothing of substance and setting outside the frame doesn't exist anymore

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>>151693784
Vader is forgivable. Leia however . . .

>>151692537
sauce?

>>151692442
>I was always annoyed how much time writers spent exploring and developing clones, they are really a very one-note character
If you've watched war movies and military flicks, there's nothing new with the clones and it's nowhere near as good as those movies. They're unironically more interesting as soulless killing machines, as a contrast to the chatty droids full of personality. The Genndy cartoon had it right.

>>151695388
Yeah I always thought it was interesting when the clones were somehow more robotic than the actual machines. And it drove home the idea of the whole war just being a proxy war Palpatine was using to get more power when both sides were using literal machines bought from the system he was behind.

>>151692442
Varies depending on the adaptation. I kind of liked the way the novelizations did things. The clones just rolled with it as if it was just another order. Just another part of the job. Nothing else about it. In the novelization Cody even sort of jokes to himself and sighs annoyed about how he wish Palpatine had given Order 66 before he gave Obi-Wan back his lightsaber.

>>151695450
So the Kaminoans bred them all to be psychopaths because those are the only people capable of following orders to the T no questions asked ever.

>>151695049
ANH was almost perfect, ESB was peak twist that nobody saw coming, and things only went to shit with RotJ.

>>151693972
>Anakin is written and depicted far differently to how he's portrayed in the films
No he's the same guy. The voice just distracts you. Anakin's just the type to thrive in war. Not to mention he's the war's equivalent of Captain America. That and Ahsoka being the fuckup pushed Anakin to be the responsible one. Then she dips and he regresses because everything starts going wrong all at once.

>>151695456
Pretty much? Like it was said, they're bred to be obedient. Obedient to the Jedi when they needed to be and then significantly more obedient to Palpatine and only Palpatine once he gave the word and took command. You could see it as psychopath stuff but I think it's likely the clones also just knew the order from the start and were just waiting to do it. intending to double cross from the beginning.

>>151695322
It's from a trading card

which character in the clone wars had the best overall writing and development and why is it ventress?

it felt like every other character didn't really have much development at all as they were restricted by the movies, or they just didnt bother with them in general

>>151695566
ok . . . Which game/company/year?

>>151695844
They forgot to give her an ending lmao

>>151695460
They never should have revealed Jabba the Hutt. The big galactic kingpin of corruption and degeneracy being just some giant fat slug? Why would anyone even follow him? Why not just take one of his slave chains and choke him out if he's that easily killable? Stupid shit.

>>151695460
I rewatched the OT about a yead ago and was actually shocked how bad the plot in ROTJ got. It's still a good movie but hot damn is it a mess when compared to Star Wars and Empire. It gets close to prequel bad at some points. Those scenes on the second death star really do save it.

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>>151696031
they didnt.

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>>151696472
okay and then she resurrected herself and her current status is "asajj ventress will return" at the end of tales of the underworld

>>151693784
Vader fucking died in 1977 dude, we all knew it

>>151696486
but in terms of TCW, yes the show forgot to give her an ending because season 7 decided to not be a full season and put dark disciple on screen, but the "ending" is that novel which was adapted from 8 cancelled TCW episodes

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>>151696496
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOO HE IS THE CHOSEN ONE AND TEH CENTER OF TEH HOLE UNIVERSE AS GEORGE METICULUSLY PLANNED WITH EVERYTHING ELSE FROM BEFORE TEH VERY BEGINNING!!"

>>151696504
They also forgot about Boba Fett and his bounty hunter buddies at some point and Maul until 2020 season

>>151690345
There is very much a difference between the prequels being prequels and TCW introducing a shit ton of characters who would've been major players in ROTS that we're told to believe were just busy at the time.

>>151696496
He literally escaped....

>>151696570
Not in the pre-shooting scripts.

>>151696523
the mexican sisters arc only got made because they were the only half finished episodes with ahsoka in them

like its the only logical reason I can think as to why it got chosen over basically everything else

>>151691762
Movie Grievous was also an empty fraud.
Genndy Grievous was drawn from the earliest concept art and a vague prompt of "Jedi killer that uses four lightsabers".

>>151691762
>Impossible to rectify are that Grevious is a totally different character (a dangerous warrior vs. an empty fraud)
What? Grievous runs away like a bitch TWICE in Episode 3. He only agrees to fight Obi-Wan when he had Obi-Wan surrounded and Obi-Wan proceeds completely dismantle his cyborg ass within the span of a literal minute. His characterization in the series is entirely in line with the movie.
>in the TV show many of the planets with the sepratists just want to get away from the corruption of the republic
The show very clearly portrays them as naive and and easily manipulated by Dooku, who had been cultivating a public image as a political idealist (that's literally why they initially dismiss his involvement with the plot against Padme in Episode 2). Having some marginalized true believers amid the ranks of the Separatists doesn't contradict anything in the movies.
>When Grevious dies and the gangsters are wiped out on Palpatine's orders the entire war ends in minutes because there's no one left on one side.
Yeah, because they were the ones operating the droid army, i.e. the bulk of the Separatist army. No shit the war is effectively over once the droids are out of the picture while there's still an equivalent force of clone troopers on the other side. Plus they were already politically decapitated with the death of Dooku.
So yeah, the war is over. Even if there's still some true believers in the Separatist cause out there, they're just gonna be a bunch of disparate local forces with little hope of putting up a fight against the now Empire

>>151691109
Christ fuck off, the prequels are infinitely more entertaining the the OT slop. Born in 1999 and happy about that.

>>151697007
who would be the leader of the separatists now by succession anyway?

>>151697068
I would imagine they'd just have the speaker of the Separatist congress temporarily assume the role while they sort out electing a new head of state. Not that they had the time to do so before it all fell apart.

>>151691235
Explain?

>>151690345
At the very least the Prequels did this with a past that was somewhat vauge. TCW inserted this stuff into the empty gaps of a preexisting story

I was retarded as a boy. Before the Clone Wars came out, I assumed that the Clone Wars themselves were going to be this war that took place 30-40 years before A New Hope, which is why Han whose probably 20 something in universe would have never considered the Jedi to be real. More over, I thought Anakin had an affair with Padme while he was Vader and that something horrible happened to him, maybe the Emperor discovered this and attacked, killing Padme, wounding Anakin, and forcing him into the Helmet.
>>151695205
What does this mean? What the picture is implying?

>>151697164
makes sense, it'd probably go
dooku>grievous>nute gunray>whoever else on the shadow council takes charge if he dies>separatist speaker

although ventress would have a claim as she is considered a commanding officer of the military

>>151694036
Yes, this goes back where I started; the TV show and movies are not in-continuity.

>>151696912
>Movie Grievous was also an empty fraud
That's what I meant.

>>151697222
I would insert my stuff onto Ahsoka's empty gaps

>>151697312
So how is that different from the series?

>>151697280
I doubt Grievous would be officially in line to get power, but he'd 100% go for a coup if the civilian government tried to do anything. Really, the whole thing was probably deliberately designed to self-destruct once Dooku was out of the picture. Palpatine just had to make sure the dominoes fell just right.

>>151697622
Grievous goes out and attackes being in the series. He's not as fearsome as the Genndy version but he isn't the total coward of the movies who tries to attack someone exactly once when he has a stupid idea he thinks will make him invulnerable.

>>151696582
>Not in the pre-shooting scripts.
So a non applicable complaint.

>>151697017
What's it like being retarded?

>>151697187
Sebastian Shaw (Anakin in RotJ) and Sir Alec Guinness

>>151696598
>the mexican sisters arc only got made because they were the only half finished episodes with ahsoka in them
Bullshit. They were originally an Asian dude in the animations they had pre-S7. It was just to appease some white bitch in management. They love to virtue signal on how much of a good person they are.

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>>151699180
and? again, they're the only episodes with AHSOKA that were half finished

and given filoni was in charge of S7...

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>>151690345

Disney wars is dead, EU chads win again.

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>>151700073
>EU chads
No such thing.

>>151700124
>muh canon
Cope, enjoy your filoni slop.

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>>151700184
George's words, not Filoni's.

>>151699997
The prequels are terrible but at least they're funny terrible.

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>>151700259
Is it still funny after every been beaten into your face in almost every corner of mainstream digital media?

>>151700259
They have interesting concepts but that doesn't get you very far since the sequels have interesting concepts too. The prequels are honestly saved by excellent art direction. The designs of the Aliens, worlds, and ships are so fucking cool that people are willing to forgive the absolute ass story executions because of how cool it looks.

>>151699230
Am I the only one who thinks this guy looks like DSP?

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>>151701007
filoni will make ahsoka immortal in ahsoka season 2 or the movie

>>151700073
I prefer my Star Wars as Star Wars, not Star Trek.

>>151700423
I think it's more simply that the prequels didn't fundamentally break the setting like the sequels did. Like, the prequels don't do a whole lot of crazy shit besides making the lightsaber fights more like wuxia bullshit. The biggest events are the fall of the Republic and the Jedi, which is built up across three movies, even if the execution is shoddy. Meanwhile the sequels are pedal to the metal every fucking movie.
>WE BUILT A SUPER DUPER DEATH STAR THAT'S POWERED BY EATING SUNS
>IT SHOOTS A SPLITTING BEAM ACROSS THE GALAXY THAT BLOWS UP THE NEW REPUBLIC CAPITAL (not Coruscant) AND ALL OF THEIR SHIPS
>IT TURNS OUT THE NEO-EMPIRE HIDING IN THE FRINGES OF KNOWN SPACE HAD A MASSIVE FORCE THAT TOOK OVER THE GALAXY IN THE SPAN OF WEEKS
>OH SHIT, SHE JUST DID A HYPERSPACE RAM THAT DESTROYED HALF THE NEO-EMPIRE FLEET
>THE REBELS ARE WIPED OUT EXCEPT LIKE TWO DOZEN DUDES WHO CAN SQUEEZE INTO THE MILLENNIUM FALCON
>ENTIRE FLEET OF STAR DESTROYERS WITH DEATH STAR CANNONS ARE GONNA BLOW UP EVERYONE
>OH SHIT LANDO BROUGHT EVERY SHIP IN THE GALAXY TO THE FINAL FIGHT
>PLAPATINE CAN FORCE LIGHTNING SPACE SHIPS
>SOMEHOW ALL THE DEATH STAR DESTROYERS GET BLOWN UP
This isn't an arc about the defeat of the empire or the fall of the republic. This is just imperial remnants coming out of nowhere to burn everything to the ground and salt the earth and the setting is left a barren waste. None of the prequels many, many fuck ups can compare to such devastation.

>>151692537
Prequel discourse inevitably goes into someone saying "you're just mad it isn't the movie in your head" but pre-prequel content like this shows me people had consistent expectations for how all this backstory should go.

Was Lucas bad at reading the room or did he not even try to understand what people wanted?

>>151701955
>did he not even try to understand what people wanted?
Not at all. He just wanted to make his vision.

>>151702067
Most fans don't know that every SW film by him except for ANH are indie movies. Bro got the deal of a lifetime from FOX to get full ownership of the IP since they thought the original was gonna flop. HA. George had full ownership and full creative control since ESB. Bro had final say on everything since he was the boss. So anyone trying to say it wasn't his vision is talking out of their ass.

>>151702590
Except for the fact that ANH and ESB were extremely collaborative projects that had dozens of elements produced outside of Lucas's control.

>>151702688
Learn sone reading comprehension, dipshit.

>>151702688
>produced outside of Lucas's control
ESB was the first indie Star Wars. George had FULL CREATIVE CONTROL thanks to owning 100% of the rights. He had final say because he was the owner and boss of everyone who worked on it. He wasn't working with Hollywood post-ANH. https://youtu.be/A9fPtvVL82M?si=a7HbW1syuF6TRIiI

>>151702793
Aw yes because it was Totally Lucas's idea to have Harrison say "I know" after Leia admits he loves him...
Get a grip the Star Wars films were far more collaborative than you think they are. Never during the OT did Lucas spend literal hours fretting over how Yoda spoke like he did making AOTC. Oz was left alone to do what he did best.

>>151702759
>sone
Learn some writing comprehension.

>>151690345
>>151701955
https://youtu.be/07wYdqUM1Hw

>>151702067
Except "his vision" didn't even line up with his own movies, as >>151703178 shows.

>>151690345
> except prequel trilogy has done the exact same thing to Episodes 4-6
and it was retarded then, too

>>151703178
I can only imagine how frustrating this kind of shit was to people in 1999

>>151702842
having full creative control is not mutually exclusive with listening to critique and collaborating with others. It's a very well-worn joke by now that the prequels ended up the way they did because no one had the stomach to tell George "this is retarded" like they did in the OT days

>>151702067
>He just wanted to make his vision
Yes, including Chewie, Boba and the droids was totally not at all a shallow, merch-driven move.

>>151703178
Obi-Wan was already doing the "from a certain point of view" bullshit by RotJ

>>151703552
At least, by complete luck, he sounded like he was lying in ANH probably because of how bored Alec Guinness was during shooting

>>151703522
That's what I don't get about Lucas. He talks about "his vision" and political commentary or whatever as if Star Wars were auteur films, but at the same time he took so many greedy, blatantly cashgrab directions, mostly around pandering to children.

>>151703660
The funny shit is his quote about the movies
>there intended for children, but people don't want to admit that...
Like how can George claim he has this grand artistic vision while shitting on his own work?

>>151703721
And wasn't the point of the cancelled Star Wars Underworld to be a mature take on the franchise? Even the later, cancelled episodes of TCW were going to be more brutal than the early series.

What made him change his mind?

When I was younger I would really go around defending Filoni's shit and jump on the "TCW fixed the prequels" bandwagon but looking back yeah this shit is really fanfictiony. Like say
>lightsabers are one of the most recognizable things about Star Wars, right?
>so get this, let's make a stronger variant called the DARKsaber
>>151696522
This shit is really funny, like George tried to sell the idea that akchyually he always planned Jabba to be a fat slug alien and what he did in 1997 A New Hope Special Edition has been the plan all along but he just didn't have the tech and the human Jabba was just a standin (despite being played by a proper actor with a properly designed costume fitting the rest of the movie).
Like dude it's alright to say that some things may have changed along the way

>>151702857
That's a typo, dumbass. Try again.

>>151703721
>Like how can George claim he has this grand artistic vision while shitting on his own work?
Saying it's for kids is shitting on his work? When did works aimed at children become synonymous with trash?

>>151703842
Anon you can't say your are making a serious work of art and then say it is only intended for Children. Not even Walt Disney would argue his works for specifically for Children.

>>151703842
Tell me why the fuck would he spend so much time in TPM talking about trading policy and the senate if the movie was for kids.

Like I don't even know who the target audience for that movie is besides possibly Lucas himself. And it's not even the interesting type of "author made it for himself".

>>151703769
TCW was designed to grow up with its audience, so it started getting a bit "darker" (not really) as the audience at that point would be teens
underworld, by the time it got made, would start to appeal to that same audience who would now be older teens to adults

thats the difference between lucas and filoni wars
lucas understands that the franchise should mature with its audience while at its core being a franchise made for kids
filoni keeps on pandering to manchildren who watched his kids show, and doesnt really try anything more indepth than it, relying on nostalgia and fan favourites

e.g something like the bad batch (an animated show that had a lower amount of filoni influence) has more complex and "adult" themes than ahsoka, a show that's live action

>>151696414
ROTJ suffered from escalation syndrome. All of the stuff with the Emperor should have happened on Coruscant or in a dark fortress, but instead it's gotta be in a superweapon because ????

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>>151703660
And now, said children have grown up worshiping greedy, blatant cashgrabbers (also looking at you, Scoundrels' Cantina).

>>151703887
>Tell me why the fuck would he spend so much time in TPM talking about trading policy and the senate if the movie was for kids
Because bro's autistic like that. I thought this was known.
>>151703880
>Anon you can't say your are making a serious work of art and then say it is only intended for Children.
Says who? You? Who are you?

>>151703895
Exactly, the reuse of the death star is a shitty fucking plot point and it's amazing it doesn't get shit on as hard as the force awakens does for doing that.

>>151690345
> prequel trilogy has done the exact same thing to Episodes 4-6 and Obi-wan and Anakin pictured here are not even the original versions of those characters
Why does it matter? Obi-wan and Darth Vader from the OT are nothing burgers. They don't really have any personality to them. Prequels would be boring if they kept them this way.

>>151703895
>All of the stuff with the Emperor should have happened on Coruscant
That was the intention but it wasn't in the budget. Multiple death stars were also planned but changed into just one for the same reason. The money and tech wasn't there. So Lucas spent the years after developing the tech for the prequels.

>>151695460
>>151696414
Filtered.

>>151703997
Yeah I was filtered by a shitty story because I have standards

>>151703887
I was a child when that movie came out and I could follow that easily enough. Brown children like you probably had more trouble though.

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>>151690345
Difference is that Filoni Wars sucks dick.
BTW, put "Star Wars" in your OP so my filter catches your dumb mousecuck ass in the future, thanks.

>>151704091
I really don't understand this talking point that TPM had too much politics, if you never saw the movie you'd be under the impression that it's paced like Star Trek The Motion Picture. Kids wouldn't have loved it if it was boring.

>Prior thing did bad thing
>means new thing can do it
Genius over there

But if you cant tell the difference geniunly between putting characters in a prequel, and characters inbetween an existing story, then, im sorry anon

>>151700124
>>151700243
Who cares?

>>151699997
The prequels arent cashgrabs, they're lucas-autisim.

>>151695049
Honestly this.

>>151700243
>>151700124
>George
Someone less relevant than Filoni, you mean? With less influence on the franchise?

>>151703895
To give lando something to do.

>>151704198
George also said it was great that it existed and that people liked it, so what even is the point?

>>151704091
>>151704159
Political talk scenes fundamentally do not fit within the Star Wars universe. Space fantasy doesn't mean space politics.

>>151704217
I like the politics though

>>151704222
The politics is literally something a 7 year old autistic child could follow. How fucking retarded are you to find that entertaining?

>>151699997
The prequels were cashgrabs but they weren't soulless. If they were soulless then they wouldn't have sparked such a massive explosion of merchandise and other licensed products that turned Star Wars into the biggest cash cow for over 10 years after TPM was released. It is insane how much of a success story that was, but you don't get that success story if you don't have cool shit that sparks the imaginations of kids and nerds. It doesn't matter that the prequels were horribly written, because they were soulful enough that the fans wanted more stories in that setting.

That's why the sequels were soulless rehashes. They don't spark that same kind of imagination in anyone else. Nobody wants more stories in the setting the sequels built up. Nobody gives a shit about the main character outside of 3D porn. The only success stories since the sequels came out have been in stories set before them, re-using the aesthetics of the older movies that people still liked. While the prequels were one of the biggest success stories, the sequels are one of the biggest most spectacular fuckups in media history.

>>151704222
How? The politics literally do no make sense within the context of the story. Hell multiple factions actively make political decisions that are antithetical to their goals.

>>151704274
>Prequels were better because I get to spend more money
Lol, lmao. The sequels are better in basically every way. They don't look like shitty movies in front of a greenscreen, they don't have retarded actors, and they actually have a coherent plot.

>>151704299
The sequels had better actors and cinematography but you gotta be smoking crack to think they have better plots than the prequels. The prequels have pretty bad plots but they aren't near as bad as the sequels.

>>151704299
lol, the sequels just repeat shit from the OT for member berries by artificially resetting the galaxy
Disney also didn't do the one thing that would get people excited, i.e. have all the OG characters reunite after all these years

>>151704387
>Repeat shit from the OT
>Dude slave 1
>Dude getting left arm chopped off and replaced with robot 1
>Dude boba fett is all the storm troopers
>Dude chewie
Fuck off with this lmao. Prequels are even worse.

>>151700243
You haven't included the best trolling from George, when Force Unleashed game was in development they wanted to give sith apprentice Darth name and George suggested Darth Icky

>>151704299
>and they actually have a coherent plot.
SOMEHOW, THEY FLY NOW RETURNED

>>151703895
>>151703917
I'll keep arguing the second Death Star makes sense within what had been established up to that point, of course the Empire would want another one to show off power, and having it be still under construction was the best way to do that.

TFA did that plot for the 4th fucking time, made it bigger and flashier, constructed by the fucking loser faction in a way that shits on everything that had happened before. That should have been for episode 9, not 7.

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>>151704418
You know damn well it wasn't meant to go that way. Your collective whining over TLJ cost us true Star Kino.

>>151704482
Concept art and scrapped plans count for precisely as much as the amount of toilet paper you can print them on for me to wipe my ass with.

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>>151704491
How about a full script?

>>151700299
No, but at the same time it's hard to even imagine something that doesn't become worse the instant Reddit users are involved.

>>151704465
They somehow built a second death star.
Immediately after completing the first.
And that first station being Immediately destroyed
With an entirely new layout without the exhaust port
That was multiple times larger
In secret
Fully operational
In less than 3 years
Sorry but the 2nd Death Star is stupid. Is it starkiller stupid? No but let's not act like it's not stupid.

>>151704514
You realize you're just proving my point with this? The sequels could have been cooler, but Disney fucked everything up and now nobody cares. Scrapped concepts just support that. George at least had the balls to stick with his ideas, even if they were shitty, and it resulted in millions of people wanting more of that.

>>151704514
>only a few scattered planets remain unoccupied
Even the OT had better sense of scale than that.

God, why do only retards keep getting writing jobs at franchises like these?

>>151704538
Executives don't want to pay people who are competent.

>>151704532
They shut down the Senate and went full on iron fist on the first movie. That was the point the galactic civil war really started.

>Is it starkiller stupid? No
A defeated imperial leftover shouldn't have the resources to make an even bigger superweapon.

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>>151704536
>The sequels could have been cooler
Midi-chlorians were never cool, any attempt to make them cool would be rightfully mocked.
>but Disney fucked everything up
Disney was doing alright, all things considered. Again, it was your collective whining over TLJ that fucked everything up.
>George at least had the balls to stick with his ideas
"Somehow, Darth Maul returned . . ."

>>151704625
TFA and TLJ were both ass, so no.

>>151704482
That script is abysmal tho.
>palpatine's secret master's master is around to make kylo a villain that isnt a jobber
>fakeout death with r2
>force ressurection at the end still
The only good thing is the finn part.

>>151704625
TLJ is fucking terrible. How can you possibly act like it wasn't? The plot holes and inconsistencies are more rampant than AOTC and that is an accomplishment

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>>151704635
>inb4 paid shills
Then why weren't they nicer to TRoS or Disney's other misfires pre-Covid?

>>151704625
>Again, it was your collective whining over TLJ that fucked everything up.
You're projecting opinions onto me that I don't have. All of the sequels were shit and I blame Disney executives for it, I don't focus on TLJ specifically. They failed where George succeeded with the prequels, simple as that. And I've also been consistent that I don't even think the prequels were "good" movies by whatever definition you want to use for that, the reason why they succeeded is because they were far, far more imaginative than the sequels, and people resonated with that.

>>151704538
For all the flaws of the prequels, the Clone Wars at least felt huge whether you follow the secondary media or not

>>151704673
The reason why they succeeded is because they had Star Wars plastered on them and social media was still just a pipe dream.
NOBODY liked George's imagination, save of course the poor kids who didn't know any better.

>>151704673
>far, far more imaginative
see >>151704397

>>151691762
Things were a lot easier back before Disney when Canon meant
>Shit that appeared on screen in an official Star Wars movie.
Anything else was non canon until it appeared in a main series titled Star Wars movie.

Now with Disney shit is anything and everything, who the fuck knows anymore.

>>151704719
Once I checked Clone Wars 03 out of curiosity and I got so hooked I watched the whole thing. And it pretty much follows all beats of the prequels. TCW also gets very good by the middle seasons.

They don't "rehabilitate" the prequels at all, it's just a sour reminder of how good things could have been if Lucas didn't shove his head up his ass.

>>151691762
baste

>>151704872
Everything surrounding those events is more imaginative.

>>151704932
>Anything else was non canon until it appeared in a main series titled Star Wars movie.

not really no

there was always G-canon, which was whatever George Lucas personally considered canon, which varied over time but always included the first 6 movies and the second Clone Wars series and its movie

there wasn't really that hard of a canon as far as LucasFilm was concerned beyond that and multiple things changed over the years, it wasn't really until 2005 that any part of LucasFilm's internal consideration of what is or isn't canon became public knowledge

there's always been fans who tried to decide what was or wasn't canon, but those people are writing fanfiction

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Are there any "space adventures" series which are a good substitute for Star Wars?

It must be
>lengthy or on-going, no self contained short stories
>consistent writing
>keep a good production value: no black and white serials
>"cinematic" presentation: TV, movies and games count but books don't

>>151705189
Farscape.

>>151691762
>>151692442
Like what >>151692504 said, we were told in their first appearance that the clones were made to be 100% loyal meat droids that follow orders. It's the Clone Wars series that fucked everything up by including clones with individual names, they refuse orders, they desert the army, etc. They should have been a literal faceless army of expendable mooks that follow any order given no matter what.

>>151705268
If we go further, I ultimately find the concept of the Clone Wars that the EU writers had before the prequels was better fitting, i.e. that the clones should've either been some ominous bad guys or that the wars were about multiple sides producing expendable clones. Even Yoda's line "begun, the Clone Wars have" felt shoehorned. But yes, if you start something, you stick all the way through.

>>151705225
I've seen a review of it once, it felt too "trekky" for my taste.

>>151692442
>I always asumed Order 66 was literal hidden brainwashing
>>151692504
Only the clone commanders actually received order 66. Cody gets it from Palpatine then just orders a grunt to shoot Obi-Won and the grunt complies, like with any other order.

>>151705268
To be fair, many episodes of the TV series are good (though it's overrated). Ripping off war movies wholesale or playing with the tropes and conventions results in some good stuff, and lets the world feel "bigger" when there's someone other than Anakin, Obi-Won, and Ahsoka to base episodes around.

It just doesn't fit with the movies.

>>151697258
>which is why Han whose probably 20 something in universe
Do most people who have seen Star Wars not know that Han was in his 30s in ANH?

>>151705189
Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis

I always skip the clone eps.

>>151705535
They should have had more episodes based around all those cool Jedis we see in Episodes 2&3 who served as generals, I mean they do it from time to time so clearly they were allowed to do it, but more often than not they focused on some generic ZX45636 who learns about being loyal to Republic and his clone brothers

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How would (You) have written the prequels and sequels? Throw in RotJ too if you feel like it.

>>151705836
Clone Wars Adventures might be up your alley.

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the best character to come out of the CWMMP, no wonder george liked her so much to put her in TCW and give her some development

>>151706563
Anon, she is a scrapped AotC character. She was supposed to be in place of Dooku