I think Princess Peach is cute, don't you?
>>151690518Yep.
>>151690518not this pig-ugly version but the real one yes
>>151690518why'd they turn her into a girl boss? Her entire shtick is being a damsel in distress
Best Peach is fanart Peach, no question.
>>151690518i like this version,
>>151690723Not entirely. She been fighting with Mario since SM2. Only thing I'm weirded out about is that was a bit of an overcorrection. What does she need Mario for if she can kick Bowser's ass herself?
>>151691506>Not entirely. She been fighting with Mario since SM2.she's still a damsel in almost every fucking mainline game she's in
>>151690850Mushroom Kingdom's got really lax gun laws.
>>151691529>mainline gameThat's like a fifth of the franchise by weight, and frankly it's a running gag with more ceremonial weight than anything else. If Bowser can't even kidnap a princess right, how the hell is he a real big boss monster in the first place?
>>151690518not fat enouygh
>>151692517>umm actually mario mainline games aren't as important as spinoffs fuck off
>>151690723The movie director said the decision came from the fact that nowadays audiences expect "ruler" characters to be cool instead of damsels so they decided to use her as Mario's mentor figure while using Luigi as the objective since it made more sense for Mario to want to rescue his brother than someone he never met before.The downside of this choice is that it led to Toad having much less screentime than originally planned since he was going to be the "guide" character, but the writer said that at that point of production merely getting something that Nintendo actually approved of instead of shooting down was already a miracle so they were wary of trying to go back and make Toad fit in again.The movie's production was kind of a total mess because Nintendo was very hands on and very pushy about the fact that if they didn't like the result they were going to cancel the movie so it took them years to even get an act 1 and act 2 that Nintendo liked. It's no surprise the movie ended up so shitty.
>>151690723Why are you people still malding about this
>>151692575>The movie director said the decision came from the fact that nowadays audiences expect "ruler" characters to be cool instead of damsels so they decided to use her as Mario's mentor figure while using Luigi as the objective since it made more sense for Mario to want to rescue his brother than someone he never met beforeThat was the right call desu
>>151691506I think the bigger issue is the personality/demeanor. Peach is supposed to be so beautiful and sweet that Bowser can’t help but love her and want her for himself. I can imagine that happening with game Peach, but not movie Peach
>>151692578Because it was a bad decision that’s relevant to discuss again because of the new movie
>>151692618She's still a blond woman in a world where everone else is scarly turtles, gorillas and midget-esque mushrooms. I think he would want to fuck her no matter her personality.Not that it matters though since Bowser in the movie barely acts like the Game Bowser and is instead some kind of evil incel Jack Black.
>>151692578>why are people upset that we completely reworked a character to be a shell of their former selvesgee anon, I wonder
>>151692638The thing is that the movie is genuinely terrible on so many fronts that complainign about Peach being a generic girlboss when everything else is also accurately described 'generic Hollywoodian variants" it feels like you're missing the forest for the trees, basically complaining that your porridge is too salty when the plate also has a dead rotting skunk next to it.
>>151692575This sounds like bullshit to push a strong women stereotype
>>151692648>She's still a blond woman in a world where everone else is scarly turtles, gorillas and midget-esque mushrooms. I think he would want to fuck her no matter her personality.Meh, fair enough.
>>151692687What are you talking about? They flat out admited they made her a strong woman instead of a damsel princess due to modern audiences. Are you so addicted to culture war stuff you are somehow taking issue with someone admitting they did it but with wording you don't find unflattering enough?
>>151692714I'm talking about the "ruler" shit is total bullshit to push a woke agenda
>>151691529I don't grt the cartoon.
>>151692685Me personally it’s because I’m a Peachfag, but also it’s a thread with Peach as the OP what else did you expect us to talk about?
>Princess Peach friendzones Mario and treats him like a peasant>Luigi and Princess Daisy love and respect each other>mfw my favorite couple wins in teh endz
>>151692747But he quite literally admited it was to "fit the agenda", he just said it in a clean way because that is how professionals talk during an interview. Again, it feels like you're addicted to culture war to the point where you're upset about someone being truthful.
>>151692810>But he quite literally admited it was to "fit the agenda", he just said it in a clean way because that is how professionals talk during an interview.and? I just said the ruler shit sounds like bullshit, calm the fuck down>you're obsessedbecause I'm pointing out how "audiences expect rulers to be badass" is bullshit?
>>151692789I'm not telling you to stop talking about it, I'm just shocked that it's still a major talking point when Peach being bad is not even in the top 10 worst elements of that shitheap. Kinda feels like there is a wave of coomers that care more about a bland female character than the entirety of the work.
>>151690710Lol show me the "real one" that looks so different
>>151692835Unlike you the director is not retarded so he is not going to say "people would be mad if a princess was a damsel plot device" outright. To anyone who is not dim it is pretty obvious what "modern ruler characters' meant.
>>151691506The Trojan horse.No 9ne likes the dyke fantasy femske strong womsn. So they slip their poison pill into every piece of loved media they can
>>151692876.... dude I just said his ruler comment is bullshit, why the fuck are you so aggressive over nothing.
>>151692575>It's no surprise the movie ended up so shitty.>he says as the movie makes more than 13 times it's budget and has received widespread praise by both audiences and critics alike>tfw
>>151692963yet it's remembered poorly
>>151692963Successful =/= of good quality
>>151692963>Movie makes money off brand name alone>That proves it was good okay?!l o l
>>151692572Nah I think I'll stay and not care about the taxonomy of fucking video games on /co/.
>>151692982"Movie critics did not like a movie" doesn't make a film badly remembered. It is consistently floating in the Top 10s of streaming services where it's available and it has good user scores on nearly all movie rating sites. The movie is poisonous to movie buffs since it's basically a 90 minute Popeye short but it very clearly managed to be what people wanted a Mario movie to be.
>>151693140>I don't care if the source material isn't adapted properlyweird flex but ok
>>151693155Considering Mario is a series that consistently ignores its previous lore in spin offs and adaptations I'm not sure you can pull the "but the original!!" card here.
>>151693178yet the characters stay the same in every game. Peach is always a girly girl in every game, it's a constant.the scenario might change but the characters don't
Wario is better
>>151693178with that logic there's no point in reading comics. I mean, they consistently ignores its previous lore and run
>>151693288Not really, the logic is that in a franchise like Mario that basically runs on flexible lore and characters the movies doing their own thing isn't really a problem as much as it's part of the fun.
>>151693323but there characters still have constant personalities. For example, since luigi's mansion Luigi has been portrayed as a scaredy cat, it's not a constant part of his personality.Being flexible doesn't mean you just do anything you want, damn the rules.What's next, Mario becoming the villain and kidnapping bowser jr?
>>151690518My interests lie elsewhere.
>>151692809Amen brother. Luigi struck gold. Daisy's not just a friend who helps Luigi out whenever she can. She built an entire racetrack to their love.
>>151694617And her kingdom was only invaded once.
>>151690518Daisy better>>151693264Based
Also how do we feel about Toadette
>>151695016I don't mind brownish Daisy.
>>151692432tfw you forget your bazooka at home
>>151690518Are there any torrents for the movie? I got nothing to watch and me bored
>>151693363See, you're saying that, but Mario has already been very liberal with those "constants" for a lifetime. Peach in the old 80s cartoon is a bossy naggy "one of the guys" kinda character which was a staple in boys cartoons, in the old Adventure manga she was some kind of bombastic tomboy, then in Mario RPG she is characterized like a typical feisty "ojousama" maiden that was another common trope in media.Bowser has gone up and down from evil turtle wizard to fire-breathing playground bully to tortured rival to total doofy retard sometimes within the same continuity, Mario as you know can't decide if he is a Mickey Mouse-esque free spirit or a sarcastic Brooklyn uncle or a playful "silent RPG protag" gag and the movie ended up not going with any of those three and instead went for "Standard Hollywood Everyman Underdog" so even the face character of the franchise has been depicted differently in this movie.If the extent to which the characters can be bent is already so wide I don't think you can say that movie Peach is out of the line in this franchise, and frankly, it would be weirder if she were accurate to the mainline games when no one else other than maybe Luigi was particularly accurate. Cranky Kong managed to have a different personality despite his personality being in his fucking name.
>>151694163my interest has been erased from existence for 40 years
>>151690723She is no girlboss. Nintendo stepped in after the trailer's woke backlash, took out all of the girlboss scenes and promoted Chris Pratt's christianity.
>>151693087
I wish I was Peach
>>151696066Holy non-sequitur
Peach should always, always be depicted as having a huge butt.
>>151696515Yeah, a better one would be the retards predicting a flop for the Minecraft movie based on the fat black lady and "kids nowadays don't know who Jack Black is"
Super Mario Adventures Peach was very kawaii, capable and not a mary sue. Aside from the game version, THIS is the definitive Peach.
>>151691506Bowser is too strong for her I guess
>plebs: wah, whats this woke girl boss trash? She should always be damsel in distress and do nothing to help herself!>patricians: will remember unhinged kino Peach who was simultaneously the object of rescue and nutcase kicking ass and diving head first into dangerous situations
>>151694163@%&@*! (Based!)
>>151696613Ok, but movie Peach is still trash
>>151696066What mental illness led you to post that at me? I never said the movie wouldn't make money, only that it made money due to brand loyalty and it is still a bad and shitty film;
To be fair, the last time the main goal of a Mario game (that's not a remake) was explicitly "save Peach" was Odyssey in 2017, almost 10 years ago at this point. She's more main playable cast member than damsel in distress at this point.
>>151692618This, more or less. Across every Mario game with something resembling a story and not merely a premise, Peach's personality has always been "warm." She might be a hopeless damsel, she might be snarky (like in Paper Mario, the best Peach), but she's always warm. There was none of that in the movie. They tried to make her bad-ass, but just kind of made her boring instead. I suppose the boring part is accurate to the mainline games.
>>151697845She was pretty warm when she was talking to Mario after the obstacle course and the DK fight though. Maybe we could've had more of that kind of scene but I don't know where they would fit that since she spends most of her screentime dealing with Bowser who is naturally someone she hates.IMO if anything the problem is that she spoke too much like a normal action woman instead of acting remotely regal or posh, there's very little princess to her, and I know Miyamoto noticed that since most of her dialogue in the japanese dub is basically "thing she said in the english version but worded more polite".
>>151690518She's a bit tough in the movie
>>151697884I thought Mario would at least excel in the obstacle course because we seen him do some parkour in the beginning of the film
Ew, ew no! Noooo!
>>151691529>Peach is just as capable as Mario>"then how does she get kidnapped?"She gets kidnapped because Mario has never beaten Bowser in a fair fight in any main series game, ever.Thinking Mario could stop Bowser from kidnapping him is selling Bowser short.
More of a Rosalinabro, glad that the movie still has here looking so cute and sexable.Remember the Emoji Movie masturbator? I will become the Mario Galaxy Movie masturbator!
>>151696553Oh, absolutely. Her name is literally "Peach" for God's sake, she's gotta have a huge butt.Also the fact that this thread isn't already full of Peach fanart is a crime. I can't believe /co/ has consistently wasted the opportunity that comes from Peach now being /co/-related. Actually, wait, yes, I can believe that. This is /co/, after all.
>>151700976Apologies, I still need to recover my Peach folder from my previous laptop
>>151700976
>>151690518Luigi is cuter
>>151692618>>151692648>>151692685>>151696638>>151697845Peach is still all these things(calm, kind, beautiful, and regal), but she's a fictional character and like everything from the past has been adapted to fit the times of the entire values of today, so Peach is tough and more confident and can kick the ass of her kidnappers now. So this isnt a big issue.
>>151701082>View her as far bait and nothing moreNothing of value comes threads like these, Nothing about what her character contributes to the franchise outside of being a purpose for the hero and the villain
>>151700976Stop crying about everyone not being a chomo like you.
>>151692597No it wasn't . It just means they never liked Mario to begin with. They had to update it for feminism
>>151697041
Now make her have a French accent and be my isekai gfhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwNPvKRVyCMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXOO-yyAtzs
>>151692904not him but just reading the conversation, anons like him basically prepare a formal argument after getting btfo in a previous unrelated thread so when the same topic comes up theyre ready to unload an entire dissertation on you and get mad if you dont play along with it basically. Its really obnoxious and autistic, probably see it on /co/ most often.
>>151697845Paper Mario 1-3 are the best written Mario games, no question, and Peach is great in them. She's aggressive, clever, capable, and amusingly reckless.What I wanna know is why her title is "Princess" when she's the sovereign of the Mushroom Kingdom.>>151700869Mario's beaten Bowser in tons of fair fights - every mainline Mario game starts with Bowser pulling some new trick to overwhelm the odds. In SM64 and Sunshine it's subterfuge, in Galaxy it's showing up with an armada and blasting the fuck out of everything, and in Odyssey it's magic hats.
>>151690518her physical appearance is great.
>>151703864She's as flat as a board and has a face like a 60 year old jewish karen who's had a ton of work done.
>>151703808Her title is Princess because she is a princess. The Mario games were never intended to have a timeline, plot or world building that makes a lick of sense and all of the RPGs had to handwave massively logical leaps to make those characters and settings work outside of a platforming game scenario, but of course Nintendo always makes sure to tell the teams behind those games to keep things vague enough so they avoid doing shit like introducing parents for Peach or whatever.It's genuinely shocking they allowed the movie staff to give Mario and Luigi parents, but then again they probably see those movies as spin-offs with no connection to the game depictions since they allowed the movie to turn the Kong family into some kind of weird monkey kingdom thing.
>>151692432Fire Flower, the very best there is. When you absolutely positively need to kill every Goomba in the room, accept no substitutes.
>>151703808My point is that if Peach gets kidnapped because Mario can't really do anything to stop Bowser from kidnapping her, then Mario wouldn't be able to do anything if Bowser wanted to kidnap him instead.Bowser doesn't do that because kidnaping Mario doesn't get him Peach's hand in marriage, that and the one time he did kidnap the Mario Brothers, who saved them from him?
>>151700976And Rosalina is meant to tower over everyone else, but clearly the movies thought otherwise.>pic relatedUnf, saved.
>>151700976>that milf-aged body PeachNice.>mfw I reverse search the artist
>>151704389Yeah, I suppose Bowser could kidnap Mario and Luigi. The games usually start with Mario bros incapacitated due to Bowser's latest superweapon - magic, the armada, framing, whatever.The funny thing is though that in a lot of the games it's evident that Peach/Mario/Luigi would escape even without the others coming to their rescue. There's at least three times where Mario has shown up just as Peach breaks out, and all he's had to do is cover the getaway.
>>151692575>nowadays audiences expect "ruler" characters to be cool instead of damsels
>woman can have any half ass girlboss fantasy they want>men want a fantasy of being the hero and rescuing a beautiful girlDENIED
>>151695925Who's that? Looks cute
>>151704795Who wants to tell him?
>>151704525>Yeah, I suppose Bowser could kidnap Mario and Luigi.Well, he did in Mario is Missing (well, just Mario) and Super Mario 64DS and Super Princess Peach.
>>151695026Shortstack waifu. I hope shes in Galaxy movie.
>>151694163Stop liking evil women.
>>151704795Prince Haru from the 1986 Mario anime MovieI think they wasted his design because I really like it
>>151704774They also killed the manic pixie dream girl archetype because they convinced everyone that archetype was a male fantasy and needed to be destroyed.
>>151691506>She been fighting with Mario since SM2.That was a reskin of a different game and it hasn't happened since.
>>151705043that whole thing needed to be killed anyway.it was a "trope" some AV club faggot made up
>>151704525Right, so if Bowser can kidnap people just as capable as Mario, how can anyone say that Peach being just as capable as Mario doesn't make sense because Bowser kidnaps her often? What reason would they have to say that, why would they take issue with that?
>>151705063Come on now, someone giving a name to the trope doesn't mean they made it up.
>>151705062Mario 3D World and Mario Wonder both have her as a playable hero that doesn't get kidnapped, 3D World's Switch re-release was even the biggest new Mario title at the time the movie came out.
>>151705294The thing is that it's called the Super Mario Bros movie and yet Mario is completely unimportant to the plot and the entire film could've played out without him. The only reason Peach didn't BTFO the entire Bowser army on her own was merely because she got distracted instead of her being overpowered.If the protagonist hero has no reason to exist in the story because they made Peach of all people too formidable that is a big hint you have made a weak script.
>>151705514"Tropes" as a concept is way too abused.Just go to TVTropes to see how EVERYTHING is some kind of "trope"There are billions of movies. Of course, there's going to be more than one time, a character has a certain personality or an event happens. And as soon as someone notices, they get to be the one to name a trope (and get attention)and right after, someone else gets to point out how that trope is problematic (and also get attention)
I remember when Peach was allowed to be assertive without shitcanning Mario and Luigi
>>151705650>Just go to TVTropes to see how EVERYTHING is some kind of "trope"Yes? Has anyone claimed otherwise? TvTropes outright says that tropes don't make something good or bad, they just exist and some people have fun pointing them out in media. Many of them we used to call 'cliches' before the term trope got hammered down and even back then we had entire arguments in academics about the concept of something becoming a cliche.
>>151705670You're posting a comic made by an average japanese mangaka. On average those are significantly better storytellers than the people that work at shitty studios like Illumination. The movie was doomed to be crappy the day Nintendo said yes to that studio.
>>151701146It's a bit lame, her personality is nothing like the games at all. The movie one seems to have her face in a constant frown 90% of the time, while the game version gives off a sweet, calming, endearing aura.
>>151705709>>151705514 seems to be implying so. and >>151705043 said it was then deemed badLike I said, when EVERYTHING is a trope, the whole idea ceases to have meaning. Oop it's the "White guy falls down the steps" trope. It's the "Brown Haired guy has a large object fall on him". "It's a Red car drives through a tunnel". I guarantee those things have all happened in multiple movies, but it's also because it's impossible with the billions of movies not to repeat something, doesn't make it worthy of categorizing and discussing.
>>151705744>The movie one seems to have her face in a constant frown 90% of the timeThat is not true at all. She frowns only when the subject is Bowser or during a couple of slapstick moments. I do agree they failed to give her sweet or calm moments however but she is far from the only character in the movie that failed to feel like their original version.
>>151705744>sweet, calming, endearing aura.modern girl characters aren't allowed to be like that.
>>151705792I am >>151705514 and I am not saying anything of the sort. I am just saying that AV Club did not invent "manic pixie dream girls". That guy just coined a term that became a popular way to refer to those characters, but that archetype of a fairy-like quirky girl that serves as the love interest existed long before that article was written.Kind of like how TvTropes calls traitorous greedy henchmen "The Starscream" despite the fact Starscream is far from being the first example of that kind of character existing. The term just got popular and became the widely known name of the trope. I think you're being a bit too pendantic there, plot devices and character archetypes being linked to tropes that are easy to see in stories cannot be compared to something as mudane as "a red car goes in tunnel".
>>151704952They totally did, he's adorable!
Rosalina > all.
>>151705923Too bad Brie Larson is going to ruin her
>>151705937I don't really have too much of a problem with her voice at least from the little we've been exposed to. Nintendo's voice direction in the booth will almost certainly prevent anything really unpleasant.
>>151705937Brie Larson is being hired to read lines that the movie's directors, producers and writers decided. She is not the one ruining anything, it's Nintendo and Illumination themselves doing it.
>>151705898you just said they are mundane. traitorous greedy henchmen aren't anything unusual but now they're The Starscream. Really? bad guys are unscupulous. and give me a female character that DOESN'T have a trope attached to her.again because you have billions of movies existing, there is NO way you can write any kind of character that doesn't exist in other movies.all of which wouldn't be an issue if as >>151705043 said and I've seen myself, you get a squad of people bitching every time that character appears again, Ugh this is racist, this is sexist. this is a problem.The whole reason all this shit with Peach happened in the first place was because the UGH DAMSEL TROPE-SO SEXIST CAN'T HAVE IT.
>>151706004Again, I think you're being a bit pendantic. Tropes are there because people that love stories have fun pointing out repeating patterns and cliches that show up tine construction of the stories. "Many stories happen to have a character that is tied to this one trope" doesn't mean the trope doesn't exist. Please, these things have been discussed for long years before any of us were born.Furthermore this has absolutely nothing to do with society deciding something is problematic or not, it is naive of you to think that a single article on AV Club convinced the world to kill Manic Pixie Dream Girls or whatever. Trends like that take significant motion to take roots in pop culture.In my opinion, and I say it's only my opinion because I've never done any research on the subject, I think trends simply change. I distinctly remember my sister talking about how Mulan was badass and how tired she was of traditionally feminine characters when we were kids all the way back in 2004 or so and I am pretty sure she has never spent a second of her life, specially back then, reading any think piece on problematic media. I could see girls of generations born in 90s and upwards wanting characters that play more active roles in their stories being the reason some tropes are losing favor in the public eye long before I'd believe Tumblr shitflinging being the primary cause of it.
>>151690518The versions without resting bitch face, sure.
>>151705977The tidbit we got IMO already shows they got her wrong. She didn't feel motherly and calm at all and her smug little smirk after blowing up Megaleg just reeks of more girlbossing. It feels like they're trying to make her some kind of cool big sister type which isn't what Rosalina is.
>>151706146>motherly and calmThey don't want this. Even actual mothers have to be forced to be hyperactive, or extreme, or anything else BUT maternal.
>>151706146Well I think that's less a problem with Brie and more a problem with the overall writing. They're gonna girlboss™ her like they did Peach but that's hardly Brie's fault. It'll be interesting to see how hard they lean into the "Rosalina is the supreme being" memes.
>>151706211>Mario>getting laid
>>151706111so you're sister never read anything ever that could've influenced her but talked about how "tired she was of traditionally feminine characters" because I HAVE read seen and heard enough material to see how they feed the progressive talk into everything. If you think movies critics, influences, writers, singers, teachers, ANYONE who talks to other people, particularly younger people don't try to feed them some agenda or influence them, you are very naive.and you still flat out ignored what I said here> as >>151705043 said and I've seen myself, you get a squad of people bitching every time that character appears again, Ugh this is racist, this is sexist. this is a problem.The whole reason all this shit with Peach happened in the first place was because the UGH DAMSEL TROPE-SO SEXIST CAN'T HAVE IT.That IS because of the media screeching about problematic tropes. maybe you SHOULD do some research.
>>151706294What are you talking about? They're just two friends in, in bed, naked, strengthening their friendship
>>151706294We know where this leads.
>>151695818>actually changing peaches personality completely for the movie is based chudyou're transparent
I think having peach participate more, both in the games and in other media like movies and such CAN be cool and interesting, but the problem is that they don't need to try so hard to make her this 'strong independent woman that needs no man' archetype, making a point in showing her fighting hand to hand with enemies, doing some crazy stunts, being this super cool action girl...All this stuff just doesn't fit her character, and that's ok, a female character DOESN'T need to be this action hero archetype, she can be sweet and cute and caring and still be determined, still be brave when needed, she can still have a personality that doesn't involve her being angry all the time.
>>151706333no judgement here
>>151706370again, they nailed it here>>151705670
>>151706333The Bowsette wave, what a time to be alive.
remember when Peach had brown hair
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>>151706394Yeah, I think that one is good, it certainly doesn't give the same 'girlbossy' vibe as the movie one.The movie one... I dunno, it feels like Mario and Luigi are sort of insignificant near her. Makes the thing sort of pointless IMO.
>>151706445a cartoon about the Princesses running an office
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