>artist is incredibly talented and skilled but instead of using his abilities to make cartoons or comics he just make porn FUCKING WHY? It seems like the most skilled artists always go for porn instead of going legit. Meanwhile, the industry is filled with the worst artists in the west. What the fuck causes this phenomenon? Look, I don't hate porn but why would you spent all your time drawing rule34 of kids cartoons? If you want to do adult content, why not making a comic/cartoon with sexy characters?
>>151696987This is based, why the fuck would you want to fap to low-quality shit? Renaissance perverts had the right idea, porn should be as high-quality as possible. Who wants to bust a nut to something ugly?
>>151696987horniness is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural
Every animator and cartoonist wants to do this but is far too much of a pussy to do it openly.
>>151697037EVERY?
In my experience, a lot of artists aren't actually very creative or goal-driven people. (And when they are, they're the vast outlier.) As a rule, people usually just do stuff that is fun or interesting to them in the moment, even if it takes like 8 hours to do.
>>151697019Fpbp, you don't fap to ugly chicks why would you fap to ugly art?
>>151696987Porn animators earn more than average animators.
>>151696987Do we not have enough talentless wannabe indie creators? Do you want to add more to the pile? Let people do what they do best.
>>151696987who are you talking about exactly? i mean, being decently skilled at drawing in an anime style alone wouldn't make you special in japan
>>151697044Anyone who says they havent drawn tits or dicks is a liar.
>>151697019>>151697059No one talking about the quality of the porn, retard. This is about using your talent to improve western animation instead of being nothing but a porn manufacturer.
>>151696987Getting into the industry is very difficult (especially now) if you're not already well connected by the time you leave college, which answers>the industry is filled with the worst artists in the west. What the fuck causes this phenomenon?Because the answer is nepotism. Porn pays the bills. You can go the indie route but success there seems more down to luck than anything. The most successful indie animators are not the most technically proficient, they're the ones whose work happened to capture the zeitgeist or who were good at self-promotion.
>>151697082If everyone who made high-quality porn did that instead of making high-quality porn there wouldn't be any high-quality porn you fucking mong, do you actually have to have that spelled out? Are you completely dense?
>>151696987>artist is incredibly talented and skilled at making porn>only makes cuck shitthat's not fair!
>>151696987You've basically got the choice of making degenerate gooner material in your personal style, at a reasonable schedule and putting food on the table, or make minimum wage as, at best, an browbeaten inbetweener for a soulless corp that hates you, holds you in contempt for wanting to create anything not deemed algorithmically profitable, and is pouring hundreds of billions of dollars down the drain, not to give you a bigger team or produce your ideas, but to replace you with AI slopservers. They are unironically bankrupting themselves, cutting off their own noses to spite their faces, to try to harm you and make you suffer for your notions of creativity. At this point? The biggest irony in creative media is that the cure to slop? Oink.
>>151696987>>151697082See pic related.
>>151697103>artist is incredibly talented and skilled at making porn>Goes down increasingly grotesque fetish rabbit holes until their works become completely unappealing in spite of themselvesFucking fellatrix
>>151697103>artist is incredibly talented and skilled at making porn>only makes cuck shitBASED af, can you drop the artist tag?
>>151697098>porn is more important than an entire mediumYou coomers are worse than animals
>>151697125Reminds me of how Jinu tried to have a not-so-secret account for drawing scat. Then it turned out this wasn't degenerate enough for him and thus he began sexting minors. Textbook slippery slope.
>>151697173>thus he began sexting minorshuh post evidence or stop spreading slandering, you fucktard.
>>151697124Came here to post this.
>>151696987Short term rewards. More stability on horny coomers than a big studio that outsources all the talent and wants to train AI to replace you
Damn, thought this was a stealth Gumball thread at first.
>>151697019That's an animal
>>151697103Porn of married women will always be cuck shit. Go watch pedo shit if you don't like it.
Comic LO's cover artist is literally one of the most talented Japanese artists of our generation. It just happens.
>>151696987An industry job means you're working for someone else which means that you're doing what they want with a deadline and subject to crunch for no extra pay. Drawing porn for your simps is less stressful and can still pay the rent.
>>151697398That's 99% of jobs. Welcome to life.
>>151697335Anon, this looks boring and generic as fuck. Do you really call this talent?
>>151697425you wouldn't get it
>>151696987They worked hard to draw/animate, they can do whatever they want with that power...but atleast don't use it to draw extreme fetish stuff, that always makes me sad
>>151697124Me, except i'll make people i don't like get dino cancer
>>151697491Why? Why that tech you could turn people into thicc dinosaur women
>artist has specific needs and fetishes>gets talented by practicing drawing it>normies want them to draw regular porn or stop drawing kink altogetherWhy are they like this?
>>151697125Fellatrix is one of the only artists where I think they genuinely got worse in spite of technical improvement. He doesn't even draw good ahegao anymore.
>>151696987Why don't you just go after Matchattea? Hell, why don't you go after all the cartoon pornographers? It'll save you another worthless thread on faggotchan and you'll get some Internet cred.
>>151696987>>151697467There are very few financial incentives to justify becoming highly skilled in drawing. So you're selecting for those with strong innate compulsions to draw. Sex is often at the root of that, as it is with most human pursuits and obsessions.Speaking more broadly about art, with the advent of AI, I can imagine the entire art profession becoming more like sports, where the skill itself has little real world commercial use, and its value comes from the admiration of the masses reserved for a very exclusive group of outliers.
>>151696987>Work for yourself>Look at porn all day>Paid handsomely to draw easy kids cartoon designs for perverts>(Disney Adult gooner money)>Become godlike tits painter>Superior to industry artists in online status gamesAnon are you just jealous? They live the dream half of /co/ comes here every day to bitch about not having.
>>151696987It might not be as bothersome if it was more creative than homogenized brainless slop for subversive twitterites and third world homonculi
>a random gaijin who would praise a generic hentai talks shit about GODmichiThat's why your porn is shit
>>151697794But the last two are literal who compared to the first four and many other
>>151696987>It seems like the most skilled artists always go for porn instead of going legit.not wanting to deal with modern Disney or similarnot wanting to move to California
>>151697847That's one of those images where you can tell it was made during an extremely specific time.
>>151697807>porn of interesting looking cartoon catwomen>:(>porn of generic little girls made in japan>:)
>>151696987Making a cartoon requires writing which is a different skillset, especially nowadays. If you make something today that would've been popular in 2014, people will say "this is fucking reddit garbage" and they'll dig up your porn accounts and put them in a google doc and they'll add their paypal link at the bottom. It's a real hostile world for creators.
>>151696987>hottest part of the animation is when it’s the pan away from the bedroom door during the credit and you just hear the VAs going nuts
isn't where your born really relevant to whether or not you can get an industry animation job? all the south american porn artists had no chance of making it to some studio in the first place.going indie doesn't pay the bills.
>>1516976901) "Being your own boss" is easier said and harder to pull off on a daily basis, as there are numerous stories of artists struggling even with Patreon/SubStar2) Degenerate's cope, being able to look at porn all day while having to make ends meet making porn is not "living the dream"3) "Paid handsomely" by perverts who may be all to eager to cross boundaries if they feel like it; even if they're your personal friends, then they're going to use you however they will.4) "Niche audience money" only lasts so long as you can crank out enough porn for them, but no one is a perpetual motion machine5) A matter of personal preference and therefore subjective, as it's not a matter of talent but adeptness like any skill6) Internet numbers which rarely, if ever, translate into earnings. Besides, several industryfags are pornographers, such as Yves Bigerel/Balak/Hecchidechu, Derrick Malik Johnson/Bronxden, and I'm sure many more that I'm not entirely aware of or who have an alter ego for making porn.Anyway, here's some more degenerate's cope:https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/150930404/#150932244>"Find a well made faithful and on model Paranorman animation with Courtney's ass looking spectacular">"She starts brapping continuously until she shits herself">"it's fine for about 30 seconds then she starts ripping ass like my dad and my heart sinks"Cosmic zozzle>>151697879I'm not defending lolicon, but calling Nicole Watterson's design "interesting looking" design is deceptive. She's just another ugly, Bean-Mouth blob character like Gumball and Richard, which pornographers take liberties with.
>>151696987Did this animation just make anyone else sad or was it just me?
>>151696987>FUCKING WHY?Money. You're naive or just stupid if you don't understand how much money you can make from horny people.
>>151696987You make a decent livelihood from your artistic passions without having to deal with the industry.>>151697847Might be some latinx shit
>>151697616Puritan culture never left, we just pretended to be inclusive during the LGBT movement.
>>151696987Given they came out of nowhere with art this quality they likely were a professional. Probably still is since their patreon only gets $2000 a month, barely enough to scrape by in most of the US.(assuming they're from burgerland)
>>151697141matchattea
>>151696987She looks ugly in this style, I don't know why people like this so much.
>>151696987The problem is not that indie artists start with porn. Making good porn is unironically an excellent place to start: you need to have good character design/anatomy skills, fluid animation, expressive artwork, etc. And it makes for a good passion project, something that the artist works on for their own enjoyment even when not getting paid and which then captures an audience that gets the word out about this person and their skills. The problem is not that indie animators do porn. Its that there is no pipeline for them to go legit AFTER they do porn. Animators with demonstrated skills like this have no pathway to then joining up with an animation studio and getting a paycheck.Compare this to, surprise surprise, Japan. Japanese manga artists almost always start with doujins, and demonstrating your skills there as an indie project frequently gets people recognized enough to get reached out to in order to pair with a writer and do a manga together, getting their foot in the door in the industry and the chance to earn enough cred to launch their own big project some day. No one thinks its weird, its just taken for granted that most people are going to have started their careers selling porn at comiket and thats okay.
>>151697994>she is uglyI get it, anon. You are gay.
>>151696987>Better Pay>like, way better pay>not beholden in his artistic freedom by some dumb nepo>capacity to insert whatever random bullshit into his works without having to worry about copyright>appreciated by an older crowd
>>151698159Makes me wonder how many western artists are salty for this fact. That they'll never be able to go mainstream unless they have people to defend them for their past Ed, Edd and Eddy Yaoi drawings.
>>151697616>"Stop complaining!"no>>151698033>"everyone I don't like is a puritan"Where are all the puritans now? Are the puritans in the room with us?>>151698168>Pot calling kettle black momentyou're full of pozz>>151698174 see >>151697994
>>151697994>which rarely, if ever, translate into earningsThat’s the joke - common /co/ artist envy like OP criticizes ain’t based in the reality. Thank you for taking the time to debunk each greentext.
Porn and luck is the only way animators can make money these days. Passion projects barley make the cut because you may not cater to an audience who cares or you may not cater to an audience at all, even when it's animated really well. Look at Monkey Wrench for example. Porn on the other hand? It's universal. Everybody loves a nice pair of tits and ass.
>>151697847Miku is the only reason degenerates remember her show, which no one cared about watching and no one cares about reviving.>>151698032>"muh bad brown people"You're homosexual, and you love your brown people so long as they don't hate the things you love (that is, the kinds of porn you love)
>>151698159>Compare this to, surprise surprise, Japan. Japanese manga artists almost always start with doujins, and demonstrating your skills there as an indie project frequently gets people recognized enough to get reached out to in order to pair with a writer and do a manga together, getting their foot in the door in the industry and the chance to earn enough cred to launch their own big project some day.I like the ones who start in porn, make it big with their own manga, then go back to making porn after their manga finishes.
>>151698228>monkey wrenchThis is a bad example tho. The designs are extremely unappealing. No sane person is going to give it a chance.
>>151698228>Porn on the other hand? It's universal. Everybody loves a nice pair of tits and ass.And with things like Patreon, its never been easier to sustain yourself online with minimal help. An audience of even a thousand people who like your work enough to throw you a couple bucks a month for early access/voting for the next character you draw can be enough to live off of decently comfortably, especially if you are not in a high cost of living area.
>>151698082>matchatea could be someone working in the industry
>>151698272I'm so fucking happy Tamagoro went back to making porn.
>>151696987>Oh no not heckin PORNOwhy the fuck are you here and not crying on reddit or better yet killing yourself
>>151698302I’ve seen a few artists get upset with Patreon’s rules and then they had to shift to subscribestar.Gumroad wad an option that was recently nuked. Pixiv and DLSite got fucked and now people have to go through extra loops just to buy things.And considering earlier this year with what happened to Steam, these websites really are at the mercy of credit card companies. All of this does not make porn drawing a secure choice.
>>151698437Do people need to go back to cash?
>>151698437Why did Mastercard and Visa suddenly care about porn? What happened?
>>151698455No, countries need to nut up and regulate credit card companies and tell them they can't prevent their people from making legal purchases.
>>151697082social responsiblity is a meme. get fucked.
>>151696987i hate how artist use their talents for extreme degenerate shit like this.what’s the point of making nicole be more well known as a cheating ntr bitch in fanworks?
>>151698455We just need better payment processors. Brazil, for example, has its own version of paypal and you can do whatever you want with your money.
>>151696987>artist is incredibly talented and skilled but instead of using his abilities to make porn he just make cartoons or comicsLiterally the most tragic waste of talent.
>>151697082That doesnt pay the bills. And American cartoons are policed by queers, nep babies and fink.
>>151696987PART 3 WHEN?
>>151698556You're just upset they're not drawing the extreme degenerate shit you enjoy.
>>151696987They could make 2-hour PNGtuber videos reviewing every episode of every Nicktoon. Or they could make a podcast where they complain about how every Netflix show is woke. Both of those would make more than porn and way more than an indie animated pilot.
>>151698507They think it "tarnishes their image" and want to distance themselves from it. The problem is that they effectively have a doupoly over digital payments. Crypto is not going to be adopted by the public as the only ones worth a shit are used as speculative "investments". Coins like USDcoin or whatever might be a possible alternative, but I doubt it will be widely accepted.
>>151698583What the hell is a fink? I've never heard of them before.
>>151696987>Why are ARTISTS drawing ART instead of doing something that requires ART AND WRITING (not to mention time management and probably a lot of other different) skills????Porn is just the most popular flavor of art. Also, not every artist WANTS to have a comic or cartoon, some just want to draw commissions in peace.
>>151698556Nicole has been known for that for over ten years. It's her destiny.
>>151698002congrats one being immune to ntr
>>151697082Making porn is improving western animation
>>151698556Unless a couple is equally attractive the woman will always be drawn riding the cock carousel for both "degenerate" and self insert purposes
>>151697082It's too late by that point, if they put a ton of effort into making a cartoon nobody's going to care about that, nobody's going to be a fan of the show, people are just going to dig up all of their old porn and use it for drama. Unless the artist is a guy, then all of that goes out the window.
>>151697082>This is about using your talent to improve western animationgee it's almost like the industry fucking sucks to work for
>>151698643Not true. Nicole was a niche subject before that viral video.
>>151696987It still bothered be that they teased Anais would get involved but never followed up on it. Now I'm married and can't look at that stuff anymore if it does come out. So fucking mad.
>>151698686There is going to be cuck porn even if husband and wife are both attractive that is why there is porn of naruto turning into a woman and having sex with black guys while his son and wife watch
>Why are they drawing naked women for money? Why aren't they becoming a storyboard artist (which means doing 10 people's jobs nowadays) for $1,100/mo while watching writers make $40-52/hr? Why aren't they dumping several months of work into an indie pilot that'll make $500 on YouTube?
>>151696987Cartoons and comics don't sellWhy do you think corporations are moving away from animationIndie animation literally can't succeed without merch. That was true for animation in the past too but then companies stopped making merch for cartoons
>>151698790Anon, Nicole was the /co/ MILF with more porn even before the video.
>>151696987Porn is unironically more profitable than the normal industry by now, furry artist knew this a decade ago
>>151698334>>151698272>Tadataka Kawasaki's bitch wife is the reason he doesn't draw loli porn anymore
>>151698838No? Gumball porn was not a big thing in 2011. The /co/ milfs were Dexter's Mom, Peg, etc.
>>151697141>>151697318Cringe
>>151697425>this looks boring and generic as fuckThat's your opinion, not an objective critique.
>>151696987Because in reality, animation is done by animation mills/farms. If this guy wasnt doing porn he would be in the cubicle as part of a team making something that doesnt look like this at all, but because hes doing porn, he can make it look like how he likes, and gets paid directly for it rather than on a wage from a company and can make it as maticulous as he likes whatever way he likes. Porn is the a way artists can make a living for themselves working on a project where they are always in charge.More should do what Speedoru did. "One for them, one for me". He does porn to make money, and gets to make a SFW show because he has the money and experience from NSFW.
>>151698910>wasn't a thing in 2011The show premiered in 2011, bro. Nicole has been THE milf since 2012.
Something about porn going viral on social media is kinda disgusting. I prefer when it's just autistic bros on here doing it. Genuinely.
>>151699029I don't like that Judy is CGI. She should be 2D like Spike.
>>151699029FUUUUUUUCK HER
>>151699208Has Judy porn been making new rounds or has not much happened since Z2 released?
>>151699293Its all porn of the bobcat and snake to the point where Ive actually had to blacklist it.
>>151697173>Jinu tried to have a not-so-secret account for drawing scatThere was no secret account, they were just private comms that got leaked>he began sexting minorsHe was roleplaying pedoshit, not actually being a pedo
>>151697861This, Gwen, Jenny, Raven and Frankie are evergreen status because the kids/teens who grew up watching them still make up a majority of porn artists now. Hekapoo came from a show that fumbled its last season and Miko Kubota's show got hindered by Nick not giving a shit, both in the 2010s. They get art here and there for sure, but not to the amount the first four do in a year.
>>151697879i don't even know what that western shit you are talking about. i can tell you are a typical retarded salty gaijin who can't even criticize japan without the lowest level of straw-man, though. my condolences.also, takamichi doesn't even make porn himself even though he's the cover artist of a controversial lolicon magazine.
>>151698287Nta but people are watching, just not to the level of other indie shows like ADC. Like fuck, I saw knock-off merch for ADC on my family cruise trip to Mexico earlier this year.
CATmoms are SEXO
>>151699062This, she's been a top milf in and outside /co/ for years. Far surpassed /co/ milfs like Peg Pete. Do I like the NTR angel? Not much, but it just falls into that category at times when you're dealing with a character who's in an active relationship.
>>151696987HERE COMES THE MONEY
>>151699661?
>>151699633>NTR angelLmao
>>151699293She's getting some, but like the other anon said, it's mostly the two new dudes.
>>151697794imgine thinking hekashit and miko will make you famous LMAO
>>151696987Western animation studios don't deserve good animators, they're talent is better used on porn
>>151696987This board cares more about porn than anything else. You won't get much sympathy here. Instead, you just created another excuse to discuss and post porn. Never do this again.
>>151697125>sunnibee
>>151699937>Sunibee
porn makes money nigga
>>151699952>i'm not obsessed i swear, i'm actually very chill in factimagine my shock when the schizo artist is a schizo
>>151697412yeah this "life" racket is such fucking bullshit for a pervertjust leave me alone and let me jerk off without being hassled to have to go outside and be subjected to humiliation ritual in order to survive another day on this prison planet
>>151699952It's strange how artists are almost always insufferable pricks. Rarely do they not carry some form of pretentiousness.
John Byrne George Perez Neal Adams Adam Warren Arthur Adams Mike Grell Jackson Guice Dan DeCarlo Mark Texeira Jim Balent Dave Cockrum Michael Bair Jason PearsonThey've all touched the darknessproof that artists are still human.
>>151698168>Posts S1 design instead of the soulless, bug-eyed version present throughout most of show's run You're proving his point.
>>151700038don't forget Dan Haskett and Bruce Timm
>>151699952Didn't Suni become homeless in recent years?
>artists draws things they likeno way
>>151696987>>151697082Besides sex/sexual content being one of the biggest motivations for people it's infinitely easier to make your own porn than get into the western animation industry. Plus if they have bad writers because of some "diversity" quota or system where they're prioritizing their subsidies or corporate welfare over quality what they'd be animating would still be wasted.
>>151700197NOOOO they're suppose to draw thing I LIKE!Its not fair!!
>>151696987Addiction is a powerful thingFor many, it can be hard to resist constantly doing an instantly gratifying thing once they realize they have the power to do it.
Furfags both need, and deserve to be treated like the domestic animals they yearn to fornicate with and be castrated, beaten like a rented mule, and euthanized. But until the day of their much deserved genocide becomes a reality, mass report any and all furry threads and posts for violating Global Rules 3 and 6.
>>151696987>It seems like the most skilled artists always go for porn instead of going legit. Meanwhile, the industry is filled with the worst artists in the westUnironically because being an online porn artist has way more potential income and stability than working for an American studio. The industry also isn't filled with bad artists, most of em are actually pretty great. The problem is studios want to go as cheap as possible. You can have the best chef in the world at your disposal but he'll never be able to make a $5 frozen TV dinner taste not like shit.
>>151697125>>151697643>POV: A Fellatrix woman is rapidly approaching you
>>151696987Porn pays and artists have always been horny nerds. Dig through the portfolios of the older ones who animated your favorite shows and you'll find a lot of pinup art.>>151697082Bro, western animation is cucked because of the industry. Go watch glitch animation and punch punch forever if you want more "innovation".
>>151698621Larry Fink is the ceo of blackrock and it's ilk basically pay extra money for media to include obnoxiously done progressive politics or "woke" shit in it. Involves things like blackwashing characters, making them gay, making them feminist or shit on men etc.
>>151700229FUCK OFFThey are going to draw the things -I- like!!
>>151697794It's who's fault that Rule34 of popular thing get's way more engagement than original characters, now?
>>151696987Great artists make what they want. If the industry and audiences cared about great art/writing, then the artists would follow.
>>151700317I know its cheating because hes Japanese, but the guy titled the creator of anime "tezuka" had a bunch of his drawings leaked by his daughter after he died and it was all wierd fetish shit. Like, genuinely bizaree stuff, you could probably find some of it still. You would not know it at all from his base work. Also the thing with the artists for Wakfu season 1 getting carried away drawing the princess episode and were told to stop, and there now exists a vault of official wakfu porn under lock and key, this was given validity by way of the uncensored storyboard of a bath scene being leaked.Artists are perverts.
>>151700358>now
Remember when irl porn parodies used to be a thing? What modern cartoon characters would you like to see in one?
>>151696987Can you blame them? Animation in the West seems so fucked unless you're working on a forever show like The Simpsons, or a CGI movie for one of the big three; you are fucked.
>>151697879weebs man
>>151697082Have you seen the Absolute State of western animation these days? >>151682548You're better off drawing furry porn, or making your own project.
>>151701477I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYONE HATING ON FIONNA AGAIN
>>151697125Vacuum ain't bad. Jelly excretion may be coloured, odourless shit, and while I like that (personality excretion really), I'm not liking the idea of him going straight into actual scat. I'd say that he'd put it elsewhere like he has to do with Suzie Q. Big bitches have always been his forte, but I do wish Q and Valentina got more love compared to everyone else. The curse of Discord.
>like artist style>want them to succeed>they draw something so stupid or niche yjk they're doomed to obscuritysad, man
>>151701522Your waifu a shit, only good at sucking dick in fanart.
>>151696987Porn is instant cash
>>151701565>personality excretion Ha. I guess there are things in life this old dog can still learn.
>>151698813And porn of futa Hinata assraping Naruto, AND Boruto
>>151701788>of futa HinataWhat a wonderful phrase!
>>151701788She would never do that to her son
>>151696987>artist is incredibly talented and skilled>pornit's just looping the same scenes, retardyou can do it yourselflet's not even discussing about anatomy
>>151701788>gave birth to Boruto through her dick or asshole>raping anyone after that
>>151701960>let's not even discussingGOOD MORNING SAAR
>>151701824kek
>>151701960Is this bait?
>>151702021the only bait here is op trying to pass off-model shit as talent
>>151701934Look at that blonde sissy,hes just asking for it. Sometimes auntie Hanabi will join in on the rape too maybe even Sakura.
>>151697125This but orangekisses and the Gogo Bomango guy. And devilhs. I really like the evolution of boobsgames' work.Otto Schmidt used to post futashit on old Tumblr all the time before he started doing work for DC.>>151697158>>151697119I have dabbled in lewd commisions but the truth is, it gets old. I'm a musclefag, and the kind of people who would ask me for stuff had really autistic, weird fetishes like reality warping or whatever. I'm actually gainfully employed, have like three friends, and treat art like a hobby at this point. It wasn't worth the effort. I have projects I want to do that I want to be sexy, but they aren't necessarily porn. If I can finish writing and drawing a comic that eventually gets published somewhere, that will be enough.
>>151702085How the fuck are big muscles and reality warping even related?
>>151702041on-modelfags are some of the most autistic fags on the internet.
>>151702200i've seen absurd fetishes like being absorbed into pecs like it's a blackhole
>>151696987it's not even porn, it's ntr/cucking/cheating shit
>>151697335But that's not the Shounen Zoom series' author, Shigemaru Shigeru.
>>151696987>make real money on your own terms>become an underpaid, overworked monkey for a slight chance at positively influencing an industry that won't ever be interested in you, your exceptional talents, or your creative inputIt's not exactly a tough choice.
>>151698791>Now I'm married and can't look at that stuff anymoreCoward
>>151702600t. virgin
>>151696987To put it simply, I couldn't afford health insurance until after I started doing NSFW.I do SFW content as well, but it only earns me about 1/6 of what I get from porn.
>>151702732Based swain
>>151702732Remember when (they) banned you for posting a sfw drawing of Nicole?
>>151702868They sure did.
>>151698507the patriot act holds payment processors accountable if someone uses them to break the lawthere are also unconstitutional obscenity laws that exist on the books, but no one ever gets prosecuted for, so the payment processors are technically liable for itrealistically they're just testing the waters on shutting down speech though. uh oh you can't say that, get debanked!!! what do you mean the law is unconstitutional? doesn't matter it's a private company!!!
>>151696987>artist is incredibly talented and skilled>off model garbage
Cuz the industry is fucking dead and the only way to survive is to make coomer shit
>>151702732>>151702887How long it took you reach this level? Were you always good at drawing or is it hard work?
>>151696987Sex is a powerful motivator for the artist and paying customers
>>151703015Thats what i’m saying, the fuck do people see in that shit style, looks nothing like her.
>>151703015Only unskilled artists draw on-model
>>151696987>going legitWhat does “legit” consist of in your eyes? Your options as an artist are:>local art communities (if you have them)>freelance entirely through online projects (necessitates marketing skills)>make state funded propaganda through nepotism (lol if you don’t have the connections from day 1)If you cannot do any of this for variety of reasons then your only option to make money as an artist is pornography. Supply and demand. There will always be demand for weird porn from deranged strangers online. Corporate demand for art is non-existent thanks to AI, and the animation industry is on life support. It’s infinitely easier to get your foot in the door by catering to an existent market you can quickly receive pay for than it is to curate an online audience entirely from scratch and hope that they like your indie vanity projects enough to generate revenue from it.
>>151703038thislike in the example of the OP pic - that artist debuted on twitter with a long and high quality gumball animationthat dude definitely had a real job before the economy took a shit in 2020
>>151702600checked and it'll happen to you too my manjust wait until 1-2 years into the marriage, that's when your freedom really starts disappearing
>>151703347Marriage sounds like a scam, damn.Hope that anon found happiness none the less.
Why would you animate porn when you could animate Joe Rogan and Elon Musk fighting MrBeast and Logan Paul with mech suits in a Rick and Morty art style? You'd make even more money.
>>151703297skilled artists can make on model look appealing even in pornunskilled artists have to use off model trash do to lack of skill
>>151703486Now what about porn artists who purposefully make on-model porn that simultaneously looks as unappealing as possible?
>>151703347Most of my freedom disappeared in one month...
>>151703486>make on model look appealingThat is called off-model, retard. Only people who don't understand art at all posts shit like this. For example, gumball's design is flat and stiff. It doesn't even have a side view. In order that make it work in a complex animation/comic/image you need to go off-model. Why do you think decades of The Simpsons porn didn't produce good art? Because unskilled artists try to keep the on-model style.
>>151703612didn't readOn model > off model skillet
>>151696987Wasn't the scene just Riley Reid's Blackedraw scene but animated with Gumball?
>>151696987I can see where you're coming from and how it can be a little frustrating, but how is porn "not legit", in your perspective? Sex will ALWAYS sell, literally based on evolutionary imperative, and drawing lewd stuff is very fun.
>>151703486Nah, it's just that certain stylistic and aesthetic choices are more or less conducive to sexuality, it's not really that complicated. Some styles and characteristics sets/traits are inherently less sexy than others, so fan artists get to utilize their own interpretation and skill set to make improvements. If you don't want to agree that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion, but your viewpoint is inherently flawed and based on a bias. Most good fan art that someone like you might consider "off model" is created by artists that, if we wanted to, could easily replicate a show's base style by following guidelines, we simply choose not to.
>>151703689What?
>>151703827Ignore him. On-model niggers are just shitposters.
>>151703857Yea you right, fair point
>>151703052You kidding me? I was atrocious.
>>151703297>>151703827The most skilled artists I've seen are able to stick close to on-model.Most mediocre artists essentially switch out optimized heads of a given character onto the same voluptuous bodies. It gets old very fast.
>>151704410Stop lying and kys
>>151704410Guilty as charged.
>>151698287Osmosis Jones ripoff?
>>151696987Cause there's actual money in it. >But bubu bubu buAnimation is not a profitable field. Animators have been traditionally underpaid for most of their history, and in the current year, where the economy is fucked six ways ’til Sunday, it's even worse. The only people who are willing to work in said field are either nepo babies with no talent or talentless fucks who couldn't cut it making porn.And no, indie animation is not the solution. What are the profit margins? How do you make money on this kinda shit? Guess what, unless you hit the metaphorical lottery, you don't. You might unironically have a better time actually winning the lottery than making a successful indie animation series. Because if you don't, you're going to get pennies from YouTube, and if you have a problem with that, blame Zach Hadel, because he's at least partially responsible for that. Maybe you get lucky and build a large, passionate fanbase on Patreon, but I doubt it. Your going to live off scraps till you eventually quiet after the second episode if you even get that far. Even with talent the odds are not in your favor.So instead, you become a porn artist. With a decent amount of effort and talent, you create a sizeable audience, and you make a decent living. People might pay you to draw an ugly bastard pig man going balls deep in Nicole Watterson or some age-indeterminate VTuber's feet, but at least you can pay rent. Sure, everyone wants to make their dream series or become famous thanks to some movie, but the chances of that happening right now are below the earth's mantle. It’s better to at least make a living than be broke making a mockery of your dreams.
>>151697103I blame women for popularizing that shit.
>>151696987This specific kind of NTR is more annoying than others because everyone should know that Richard has to be an absolute god in bed in order to keep someone like Nicole around. Even with his other positive qualities and their chemistry there’s just no way Nicole would put up with what goes on in that house without getting a hard reset every night and Richard is the one who does that. The only reason they don’t have 50 kids is because of the restraints of story.
>>151704410The problem with the argument is that you're conflating "technical skill" with "stylistic choice/preference", these are not the same on a fundamental level no matter how you look at it.Being able to stay "on model", is not purely an expression of skill in and of itself, it ultimately means that you can look at an example (like to say a screenshot or model sheet) and replicate (aka...following guidelines). If anything, it's mostly an expression of one's ability to copy effectively, which isn't a bad thing if that's what you want to do, especially if it pertains to a production pipeline.However, the point of fan art is often to bring one's own stylistic interpretation. If that happens to involve overly sexualized prominent features, so be it. Fan art is purely subjective and people aren't going to get artists to stop liking what they like to draw. The main reasons you keep seeing certain body types, are because there is a large and prominent market demand for them, and artists often enjoy drawing those body types. To top it off, art styles themselves, and skillful expression of said art styles are not the same thing either, but that's a whole other conversation.
>>151704736And, it's canon that Nicole dated other guys in high school while dating Richard.
>>151704775why are you even trying to argue with a shitposter
>>151704410>>151703827I'm not here to change anybody's minds about whether on or off model is best. But I do wish to point out that the expectations of what is or isn't on-model has changed throughout time, especially as animation switched to digital. Model sheets in traditional animation were not meant to be all inclusive, while sheets for modern shows sometimes are. There is also a certain level of leeway - we can visually tell Merry Melodies apart by director, which means they are not exactly the same, but they're not exactly off model either.For my money, skill shines through regardless of design.
>>151696987Its the other way around. Artistically inclined/gifted people enter the industry and get corrupted by deprecated practices which lead you to think that terrible artists just happen to be the ones getting chosen for industry. Meanwhile most super talented porn artists are less gifted people who (no pun intended) are in it for the love of the game. They're trying to make high quality shit to beat off to, and they upskill like crazy as a side effect. Not uncommonly to the point where they outperform professionals.The same phenomenon happens in tech. Most of the REAL advancements in transformer architecture since GPT-2 are due to coomers putting their blood, sweat, and tears into things like stable diffusion or leading the industry on advancements in critical areas like context through something like AI Dungeon. Business use cases aren't shit compared to a coomer with a dollar, a dream, and some free time.
>>151704863Oops, I cut off a sentence fragment.>For my money, skill shines through regardless of design, but a minimal amount of recognizability is warmly appreciated when it comes to cartoons.
>>151704736Anon she's doing it for money not for loveRichard might have pimped her out in the first place
>>151704736>that Richard has to be an absolute god in bed in order to keep someone like Nicole aroundThe reason Nicole is still around is the "parental control". Just like the universe doesn't allow Richard to have a job, Nicole is forced to cope and never divorce Richard. And there is no way Richard would be good in bed. The show told us over and over he is useless.
>>151699406>He was roleplayingModern Internet no longer differentiates this. Even if it's fake or fictional, they treat it just as bad as the real deal.
>>151704968>Richard might have pimped her out in the first placeSo, Richard is based?
>>151703980How long ago was this made?
>>151697125>JinuSenpaihttps://files.catbox.moe/dodk5t.mp4
>>151704837Mostly because I enjoy talking about the subject and other people involved in the thread are able to interact too. Also partially boredom I'll admit lol, killing a bit of time while waiting for something>>151704863Hit the nail on the head, skill will manifest regardless of stylistic choices. A more experienced artist can often make a style work regardless of how good or bad the style is, while a less experienced artist will have a more difficult time either way, still doable but will take improvement.>>151704877still a good and relevant chart, tackles most related points
>>151696987Because they dont want animators, they want storyboarders, which requires no real art or writing skill, to be 'showrunners' and ship as many other rolls overseas. They want to run the people they do get stateside into the ground and they are these showrunners! Its better being a shameful degenerate in both workload and cash revenue, amd frankly, parental approval.
>>151705093Holy shit, but why did this get out in the first place? A revenge act?
>>151697019>Who wants to bust a nut to something ugly?Ask your dad
>>151697103>always the cuck and never the cucker Kek
>>151697467Indeed. Its always sad to see an artist draw fats. That's 1 step away from scat and vore
>>151704775I'm conflating the approximation to the original art style and model, while maintaining a high degree of sexiness, to greater skill. My post was in answer to the anon stating that "Only unskilled artists draw on-model".I will add, however, that those artists that merely copy the art exactly and paste nipples and a vagina without integrating them properly and without any attempt to make it look sexy are terrible.Admittedly, I was also saying that a lack of ability correlates with that same-body preference. It's a lack of cognition that makes all of these fanartists want to scratch the same itch. Understandable, since these are people thinking with their dicks.Also, bringing in market demand kind of diminishes your argument about the urge for personal stylistic interpretation inherent in fanart. Should leave that part out.>>151704837Quiet, kid. Adults are having a discussion.>>151704863I can agree with that.
>>151696987Be the change you want to see
>>151697690 >Look at porn all dayLiterally anyone can do this. Having a real gf is way more impressive and nice
>>151705176From what I remember (rumor) it was the other RP'er who leaked it, I think he did it because he had a guilty conscience. Jinu is still around only behind paywalls(check kemono) even though he said he was getting help for his porn addiction. Whats hilarious is that a couple months before this leaked he was caught with an alt called JinxSeptic that did anal fart blowjobs and toilet clogging hyperscat.
>>151705353people like OP would never touch a pencil, it's much easier to be a pretentious douchebag
>>151699029What’s the source for this?
This is fucking depressing. Pornography, whether real or simulated, is a very underhanded tactic of exploitation and psychological deterioration, and that's where the money is.
>>151701824KEK nice
>>151705488Unlike the animation industry, which isn't exploitative or culturally detrimental?
>>151698813In Naruto's case it's because he's seen as a "herbivore male", as in he's so caught up in his own bullshit he's not pleasing Hinata. It also doesn't help that all those artists latched onto Raikage JUST because of his skin tone.
>>151705213This. I don't understand why people always complain about "cuck" porn. Do they always self insert as the husband?
>>151705425>JinxSepticYeah I heard about that alt! Never bothered to look for anything associated with it... until now.Lmaoing out loud, it's not my thing and I'm not going to judge him, but damn what a damn collapse. I think Teckworks's Ralsei bit during the tumblr days was pretty absurd but Jinu takes it.
>>151705647The problem is that Naturo is a huge faggot. Even if you ignore his homosexual obsession with Sasuke, you get shit like this. Even loser cartoon dads like Richard Watterson are more masculine.
>>151696987Money money money, is all about the money!Imagine not knowing you make ten times more making shemale, scat and interracial content than your faggy flower painter.I might not be a jew but i sure as hell think like one when it comes to money lol, just imagine retiring at 34, imagine, when most zoomers are living on rent working as wagies and will never own a house or a lot.Go see how much jews like darkcookie make, not sure how much he makes now but he used to make 40 grand month.Heck i would be working if patreon had not banned me, i got banned from making a pikachu and a dalia (futa) ai art, tried to appeal but the jews said nope, fuck off antisemite, also i am more passionate about porn, the human body is cooler that faggy flowers.These are my 69 shekels anyway.
>>151703980SOVL
>>151705728Gentlemen, is it gay to use your sand powers to shake another man's hand?
>>151705776>patreon>for aislop
>>151705309I hear ya, but I see a part of that a bit differently. I think that the correlation is more or less due to more sexually explicit body types having a more primal and widespread appeal making it an easier starting point (ie. Sex sells), resulting in a far larger pool of artists drawing those body types and characteristics. To your point to be fair, that does result in more amateur level artists utilizing those characteristics, on the grounds that there are far more amateur/low level artists than high level/ great artists in general. The result is that there will be a higher volume of those lewd body proportions/types cropping up, since for a lot of artists it just stops at drawing boobs and butts well, which if that's all they want to do more power to them. I feel it's more of an enticement factor, over a cognitive factor, but I think both do apply.Also on that note, just like with most any hobbies are endeavors, the vast majority of people aren't going to put in the effort to become "great". In the long run, for most people, good is good enough, but some will strive to be exceptional.As for the market demand part, I do agree I could have left that out, but I don't think it's necessarily counterintuitive either. Positive affirmation typically (but not always) goes hand in hand with an artist's development in terms of figuring out what works and what doesn't. ("I did *thing*, I enjoyed it and it got me positive feedback, I'll keep doing *thing* but better over time").
>>151705149To follow this up as to why for everything: the money has dried up. It used to be all advertising for toys. Kids dont play with toys, they play games and don't need cartoons for games advertising. Swat Kats, HeMan, Teen Titans, they are all shows that did great but got canceled because they didn't push toy sales for one reason or another.So now the industry pivots to an anime industry like model, sort of: Make producers and actors celebrities and sell merchandise as novelties to obsessive older fans. Cut costs, oppress the staff, make it political, shill to establish ground work discussion to spur more merchandise buying obsessive fans. If you cant get fifty children to buy 7$ figures get an adult male who will buy 350$ in statues and cosplay items.Also, no office politics in porn projects most of the time. I think that is a factor.
It's pretty straightforward Step 1: >Make funny animationsStep 2:>build audience Step 3:>Pivot to PNGTube community drama rant videosStep 4:>Buy Lamborghini
>>151705627Good point.
>>151705627Yes. Underpaying thousands of Korea’s best artists to hypnotize children for advertisers is the medium’s noble cause.
>>151705838>any hobbies are endeavors any hobbies*AND* endeavors. My bad on the error
>>151697986well theres also the fact your average esl's currency is dog shit, so doing porn for USD is the smartest strategy without trying to move somewhere. its usually why they are cheaper too, thus making relative bank much quicker. outside of big companies, most animations end up subsidized by various governments, like canada or georgia anyway, so its tough for anyone to get in even if they lived in the US
>>151705924You forgot a step>Step 3.5: get outted as a pedo and cancelled
>>151705309>same body preferenceMatchatea draws a skinny Nicole with small tits and a big ass. That isn't the standard bimbo porn body, it's close to cartoon Nicole. Some people could even argue that Nicole should be drawn with D or G cup boobs because of her anime form. If you hate something close to the show, what the fuck you want?
I really like how both Amugea and Matcha render. It's a weird "less is more" kind of thing.
Sometimes I think about Jeane D'Ack and get really depressed.Their goofy artstyle is so reminiscent of older Shounen Jump stuff, and so many of their stories involved adventurers and stuff. It makes me think that in a different life they might have been another Eichiro Oda.
>>151705979it doesn’t require documentation or a visa like a regular job, or much social skills, it’s an attainable art gig for true drawmaxxers
>>151702085>This but orangekisses Who drew exactly what I loved about Jasper; they said "I DON'T TAKE REQUESTS OR COMMISSIONS" which was ironic since they drew what I would have asked for.>and the Gogo Bomango guyVH made the critical mistake of wanting to retell a 20 year old story he was already getting sick of with a consistent lore which could have been fine except it was…not good, had every side character he'd thought up in the last decade and then some whether they served a purpose or not, and his editor wasn't capable of telling him this. His art was top tier but he was drawing it like a graphic novel not a webcomic and the pressure got to him. He broke and suddenly Gogo had absurd skinned chicken musculature, then he started focusing on hyper commissions instead of scaling back what Bomango 2.0 was going to be because those had no long-term commitments to any particular character and his storytelling couldn't be criticized. He went from a warehouse job to doing GB as his fulltime job and I don't think he was mentally ready for that commitment.
>>151698791The entire reason Camp Sherwood went on hiatus for SEVEN FUCKING YEARS was because D married a strict Mormon who told him to stop doing porn. The moment they divorced he picked up when he left off.
>>151703980god bless you for sharing that
>>151703347>that's when your freedom really starts disappearingI was your janitor for 2 years and I'm still married to her regardless of her opinions of the matter because I made it clear she didn't fucking own me
>>151704665Zereul wishes those two had an ounce of the personality ozzy and drix had.
>>151704736>everything makes sense because of MY internal logic except I'll handwave the outcome as "restraints of story"Even Mike Yagoobian doesn't deserve to highlight your selective application here
>>151704877I don't even care for this character in the least which is probably why the message is without refutation or argument to me
>>151705093I made it 30 seconds before I noped out
>>151705266>Its always sad to see an artist draw fats.Hyper fat. It's a whole other world. Rubens was not secretly hoping to draw monsters that could never live.
>>151705488>Pornography, whether real or simulated, is a very underhanded tactic of exploitation and psychological deteriorationhe said on 4chan dot org
>>151703689probably
>>151705776>Go see how much jews like darkcookie make, not sure how much he makes now but he used to make 40 grand month.he's "only" making twice that now
>>151705776>i got banned from making a pikachu and a dalia (futa) ai artSpeaking as a pornographer and AI hobbyist, good. Kill yourself.>THEY'LL COME FOR YOU NEXTNo, I have an actual job thanks.
>>151705889>no office politics in porn projects most of the timethe greatest thing about working for Adam & Eve a while back is fucking nobody talked about sex at work
>>151706607hideous style
>>151705309>>151704410>>151703015Why I don't see you in threads about Raven, XJ9, Frankie Foster, steven universe, avatar, adventure time or any other of the threads filled with off-model art? You fags only posts in threads related to Gumball. You don't really care about art, you just hate Nicole.
>>151703980I kneel
>>151706667It's a great style, retard
>>151706741>t. faggot with 0 taste
>>151706706>Raven, XJ9, Frankie Foster, steven universe, adventure timestyles with geometrically rigid, often asexual depictions of the characters go off-model to be made sexual but also beneficial to artists who have fewer skills with anatomy>avatar,generally close to model because there's more realism to the style plus it's fauxnime meaning there were tons of artists out there already in that realmYou really thought you were going somewhere with this
>>151706706Actual insane person.
>>151706667>>151706741And we'll never know what it was because the janny yeeted it before even the archive sites could save it
>>151706706>You don't really care about art, you just hate Nicole.Anyone still using the "admit you just hate X and go" bullshit in almost 2026
>>151706770>going off model is having less skillThis is pure insanity>>151706839Not an argument
>>151706791Enjoy, anon https://files.catbox.moe/kto94h.jpg
>>151706166>the daughter of the Chad is ugly as fuckKind of based. Give me a qrd on that manga
>>151703980How did you improve?
>>151696987>FUCKING WHY?
>>151705658The problem is that most of the porn focuses on the cuck
>>151705889>the money has dried upNo it hasn't.>It used to be all advertising for toys.The avenue for advertising changed.Kids no longer watch tv as much as they used to.They moved to YouTube and streaming.>Kids dont play with toys, they play games and don't need cartoons for games advertising.They still get toys.Just because they don't play with toys doesn't mean they don't want/buy them.>Swat Kats, HeMan, Teen Titans, they are all shows that did great but got canceled because they didn't push toy sales for one reason or another.I do not remember seeing any Swat Kats, HeMan, or Teen Titans toys growing up.The thing is, with the exception of HeMan, these shows didn't have a toy line to go along with the show because toy companies need to license the IP.A toy company isn't going to license an IP unless they know it's popular or are actively invested in it's development like HeMan or Bakugan.
>>151708477Nta but just draw.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMLEudGbxQkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPLImB-I71wWatch speedpainting videos like:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQKc6C8lH8MResearch tutorials.Save and study images that you like.Try to copy styles you find appealing.tldr: Study and practice
>>151709001The artist in the OP makes like 2k/month in revenue on Patreon. That's poverty wages. He'd probably be making less if worked legit in the animation industry, though. You need to win the animation fandom lottery to make money
>>151700323This. Pretty much the biggest reason animation and entertainment is dying is because Fink and his fraternity of fagaloons with more money than sense (and the luxury belief to go with that) think the only reason humanity isn't a Burger King Kids Club of diversity is The White Man and media diet.
>>151696987>It seems like the most skilled artists always go for porn instead of going legit.The 'legit' industry is dead, and porn pays the bills.
>>151709303>2k/month in revenue on Patreon. That's poverty wages.Depends on where they live in the world.That also doesn't account for any commissions or work they do outside of Patreon which would add a bit more to that amount.
>>151702991Incorrect. It is the FOSTA and SESTA acts that stripped section 230 protections from payment processors, with ultra-vague wording that should have had the people presenting it laughed out of the room (or publicly executed with a blow torch if I were king.)
>>151696987Nice bitrate retard
If you want this kind of shit to stop be the change you want to see in the world, get rich and become a noble art patron who let's whatever porn artist work on their passion project.
>>151709303Not for the part of the world he's in.
>>151696987What if i'm a furry porn artistand my future goal is being a cartoon creator, designer and animator?
>>151700244Addiction to sex is built into humans but the guys aren't going to be getting it from women the normal way for various reasons despite effort or waiting for the pleasure so there's basically no reason not to enjoy porn right now.
>>151710385idk, all i know is that i wanna have sex with foxes
>>151696987They're in it for the money, not for the legacy or career, or to teach the next generation and restore a dying art.
>>151709303>He'd probably be making less if worked legit in the animation industry, though.This, and also it's a job with little to no security, with most recent Gumball being a good example: >Work your ass off to rush out 40 11-minute episodes as quickly as possible >The instant production had been finished, production team had been dissolved and everyone got laid off, tossed back into increasingly hopeless job market
>>151705425>anal fart blowjobs and toilet clogging hyperscat.
>>151705425>he was caught with an alt called JinxSepticwew, imagine trying to hide shit-based fetish behind username that is just one letter different from your main handle. I'm having flashbacks to a time when Inkune's brain self-obliterated when people have found out (again) that he draws scat and piss on a separate account.
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>>151705425Those images of his fursona shitting massive logs are still simultaneously hilarious and horrifying because I'd hate to be the janitor who has to clean that shit (lol) up.
>>151711471Why even hide it? If aint extreme degeneracy like lava/churnurg draws just pust a warning to it.
>>151711625What was even more hilarious were people being mad of them leaming.
>>151711730The e621 users yearn for more Jinu fard and shid
>>151704736Or you can just see it as not canon to the show, like we already know that Nicole's life would have turned out much worse if she didn't choose him.
>>151705425Yeah, it was the other RPer, but he leaked it on an alt account, so whatever they really run under is up in the air. I'm still wondering why Jinu got the bright idea to do it. Not because of the content (fucked up, but no one was hurt) but because, in his words, he went through a breakup. Like no, don't use porn as cope. Also his scat alt was just privated, not really hidden because of one letter off, but he did make good on the promise of nuking the account. I have no access, but he probably just draws scat for a hidden server now.
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>>151711848>we already know that Nicole's life would have turned out much worse if she didn't choose him.We don't know that. Nothing in that episode was real
>>151696987>FUCKING WHY?Porn pays more and my penis, for one, is incredibly thankful for that.
>>151697082Unions ruined western 2D.
>>151712350Penis...
