Seriously how did this happen??
>>151698279DC and Marvel suck anyway.
There was already 5 threads when the video was released. You can search in the archive. There is no need of another one.
>tranime>trangaNO!
>>151698279Manga sells everywhere, Marvel/DC sells in comic book stores only.
batman is better than any anime or manga
Not this discussion again.
>>151698301BASED!!
Reminder that Comicsgate youtubers don't even talk about comics anymore, they all just make drama videos about each other.
>>151698301Hulkbro.....I kneel.
>>151698296Wrong, faggot
It didn't broke the comic industry AT ALL. Their sales have almost nothing to do with each other.It only broke some westoids' minds.
Who gives a shit.
>>151698279Why don't you watch the video? Assuming you can understand it, ESL.
>>151698279>more accessible>manga has a variety of genres, anything that isn't capeshit in western comics is blacklisted and doomed to indie publishers where no one will read them>attractive characters in both the covers AND the manga itself, rather than having a big-titted woman on a variant cover and discovering that she's not in the comic after you've parted with your money
>>151698301Kill yourself hulknigger.
>https://desuarchive.org/co/search/subject/How%20manga%20broke%20the%20US%20comic%20industry/This thread again?
>>151698279Manga appealed to a generation of kids who grew up with it and turned into loyal buyers. Marvel and DC understand this as well, but they stopped doing it with comics and now do it with Hollywood movies and funko pops. And they would have done it sooner if they could have, Stan was trying to bring Marvel to Hollywood since the 70s.
>>151698456>and funko pops.Anon, I have bad news for you.
>Seriously how did this happen??Nintendo hired a yaoi/futa artist to do a pokemon manga and the rest is history.
>>151698485They made truckloads of money for over a decade. People are getting sick of the creepy silhouette, but they will always buy plastic junk with Spider-Man on it. Something will take Funko's place without a doubt.
>>151698279/biz/:The incumbent companies had strong views about how the industry should operate, instead of working from first principles. They got disrupted./pol/:Wokeism and DEI destroyed the product and created a chasm with fans./lgbt/:The old straight white men that ran these publishers were using us as skin suits. They were never true allies.Comics side of /co/:Fuck Tom King/Grant Morrison/Warren Ellis/Alan Moore/etc.Cartoon side of /co/:Who?/a/:We didn't break comics. We never cared about comics. You do you. Now stop posting here./ic/:The women all look so fugly./y/:The men all look so fugly./v/:Reading?
It's like blaming Kpop for the decline in popularity of baseball in the last few decades. They were never really competing in reality.
comics killed themselves by relying on the same ideas for a fucking centurySeriously get some nu shit
>>151698296FPWP.
>>151698279Why do we need to answer this question daily?
>>151698485I feel like I've heard this so many times yet it's never happened
>>151698531>The old straight white men that ran these publishers were using us as skin suits. They were never true allies.Rainbow Capitalism is such a retarded conspiracy theory. Anything to ignore that the faggot stuff isn't just a luxury belief propped up by elites.
>Pick up a comic>Hero is getting cucked and dogwalked by his girl's bull>Heroes spend more time fighting each-other than their enemies in pointless event wide comics>Locked in a status quo of no meaningful change>Pick up a manga>Hero struggles against challenges and is respected after overcoming them>Grows, endures and matures over the course of the story
>>151698279Wokeness
>>151698279Shame OP is using this video asbait when it's really well made, it showed that it took a lot of teeth pulling to get the American audience to eventually start reading manga
>>151698279Let's see here:>Doesn't rely on reading a fuckload of stories to understand what the fuck is going on.>Not written by talentless hacks who only care about stroking their ego.>Doesn't feature retcons and character assassinations every few seconds.>Doesn't shove hamfisted pandering and soapboxing into your face.
Most anime have appealing artstyles, animations, constistent characters/development.Comics on the other hand have different issues created by different writers, which in turn can create inconsistencies with the majority of characters in said comics. Comics also have various different artstyles that either improve or ruin the readers experience. If Marvel and DC really want to even the playing field with manga, they will have to cater to an audience who cares about this stuff (boys and men, not troons and dykes).
>>151698279People buy manga so they can prove they're a real fan of the anime when someone says >You're not a REAL fan, you watched the dubbed version
Manga segregates their stories by sex. That's the main reason. Their Shonen is allowed to be Shonen. Women can read them, but they still have their Shoujos. Comics now cater to women who are into Shoujos and Yaoi, alienating their main audience. There.
>>151698890If you watch the video the answer has nothing to do with the content of manga. Manga when it was sold in comic shops suffered even worse numbers than Marvel and DC.
>more East vs West slopShartroons should've put this shithole out of its misery
>>151698296Well, Marvel does.
>>151698279>The branch of the industry that publishes content people actually want to read is doing better than the branch that isn't.Truly, the reasoning behind this unexpected development will forever remain a mystery.
If manga didn’t exist people wouldn’t be buying comics insteadComics stopped selling because the distribution, and quality sucks
>>151698279>>151698580The industry killed comics with bad business practices like keeping old characters around in a shared universe and having editors wrangle evey writer so that they can never write anything really interesting, by pissing on the existing talent until they leave and not hiring new talent, and by repeating gimmicks until people are sick of them.Readers continuing to buy their slop did not help.The industry instead focused on adaptations, where the real money is, and in mediums that people respect in the US.Meanwhile, manga avoids these things.>>151698296Wrong, but it's a miracle anything of worth has come from Marvel and DC and embarrassing that other publishers have not pulverized them.
>>151699390>having editors wrangle evey writer so that they can never write anything really interesting>manga avoids these thingsFuck no.
>>151698279Wake me up when some first issue of some shitty mass printed sequential art manga printed on newsprint gets a high enough grade to be auctioned off and people bid even $1M for it because that hasn't fucking happened, much less being the highest auction for sequential art books.
>>151699466I should have written manga LARGELY avoids these things.>inb4 Still fuck no.We have plenty of interesting manga. Not nearly as much for comics.
>>151698279Alienating fans and using antiquated distribution systems are a deadly combination to any business model. Idk much about what’s been going on at DC for the last few years, but Marvel went too hard on trying to use rage bait as a sales tactic. Eventually people stop caring and move on to greener pastures. Anger will always lead to apathy eventually. It’s a shame too, I used to be a huge fan when I was making minimum wage. Now I make ten grand a month, but would never give them a fucking cent after making me feel unwanted.
>>151698375>Their sales have almost nothing to do with each other.Graphic novels are in a different market than graphic novels?
>>151699531>We have plenty of interesting manga. Not nearly as much for comics.Doesn't stop the fact that manga authors are way fucking more tard wrangled than US writers are.
>>151699480Bro, no one cares about collector autism outside of comics and video games, and even the latter is kind of dying these days.
>>151699480Nick Cage can spend whatever he wants on Action comics #1, but Goku will always be more popular than Superman now.Nobody actually likes Jewish Power Fantasy preaching outdated morals
>>151698717>Rainbow Capitalism is such a retarded conspiracy theoryRight liberal/libertarian is literally what the customer says.Now to be fair, the elites DID push a cultural so people went from OWS to doing pride parades sponsored by banks, lmao
>>151698279You ABSOLUTE LOST, OP:>Raina Telgemeier And Scott McCloud Now Get An 800,000 Print Run>Despite 300,000 Orders, Absolute Batman #15 Skyrockets On eBay>Comic Stores Are Booming Again As Readers Are Getting Younger>Some Good News About Monthly Comics Sales In Comic Stores For 2025>Youngblood #1 Was Image Comics Most-Ordered Comic Of November 2025.>Mel Cabot's The Princess Diaries Graphic Novel Gets 150,000 Print Run>World Of Click: Besties: Set Sail Graphic Novel Gets 100,000 Print Run>The First Cat in Space & Baby Pirate's Revenge Gets 150,000 Print Run>Maria Scrivan's Nat A Chance Graphic Novel Gets A 100,000 Print Run>Princess Academy Graphic Novel Gets A Quarter Of A Million Print Run
>>151698279I like this Spider-Man manga.
A single writer/single vision.Got burnout of comics because of thee lack of it
>>151699665Yes and no. They are tarde wangled to hell and back by their glorious editors, but so are western comic authors for anything bigger than the smallest publisher, it's just that they wrangler are severely out of touch due to the eco chamber nature of the industry and out of touch boomers in charge
>>151699678>>>151699785
>>151699749Don't read capeshit or licenseshit
>>151699678Not possible. No shared universe with ancient, rotting characters.
>>151698779You can easily get into comics and never touch Marvel/DC stuff
Big part of it is that manga tends to be a lot cheaper. Stock and ink used did a lot to lower their production costs and Japanese artists do a better job of leaning into their medium.
>>151699727>meaningless numbers
>>151699678This again.... it's really pathetic, bro...
>>151699749There's too little respect given to the art component. They just bring a fill-in whenever they feel like it to ruin the art.>>151699813Or indieshit or scholasticshit or euroshit.Stop this nonsense.
>>151699936My weekly pull list was 6 or 7 comics back when I was making minimum wage. Price really doesn’t have anything to do with people getting turned off from capeshit
>>151698279I don't take YouTubers seriously unless they're talking over footage of first person shooters. If this video is a PowerPoint presentation or some guy holding a mic or a screenshot of an article I'm just assuming it's full of shit.
>>151700109Do you like ANY comics?
>>151699965>>151566389>Absolute Batman hits 10th printing>DC announced today that several major titles are headed back to press, with new printings of multiple sellout issues arriving in comic shops beginning January 2026. The lineup includes the much-talked-about Absolute Batman 2025 Annual #1, a 10th printing of the blockbuster Absolute Batman #1, and four pivotal chapters from the DC K.O. event.>The oversized Absolute Batman 2025 Annual #1—which features a 30-page lead story written and illustrated by Daniel Warren Johnson, plus additional tales from James Harren and Meredith McClaren—returns with a second printing. Retailers can order a main self-cover ($5.99) using the original Johnson & Mike Spicer cover art with a recolored logo, an open-to-order foil version of that cover ($8.99), a new cardstock variant by Johnson ($5.99), and a foil edition of Johnson’s new artwork ($8.99).>The phenomenon that kicked off the series, Absolute Batman #1 by Scott Snyder and Nick Dragotta, hits an incredible milestone with its 10th printing this January. This edition includes a self-cover ($4.99) featuring Dragotta and Frank Martin’s original cover with refreshed logo colors, along with a new open-to-order cardstock variant by InHyuk Lee ($5.99) and a foil version of Lee’s cover ($7.99).>Four key DC K.O. tie-ins—DC K.O.: Knightfight #1, Justice League Unlimited #12, Superman #31, and The Flash #26—will also receive second printings on February 4. Each will showcase its original Dan Mora cover art with a recolored logo. Pricing will be $3.99 for Knightfight #1, Justice League Unlimited #12, and The Flash #26, with Superman #31 priced at $4.99.
>LOL LE EPIC EAST VS WEST THREADScientific studies have provided irrefutable evidence that trolls are extremely severely mentally ill, dopamine addicted sociopaths. https://www.theconversation.com/amp/new-research-shows-trolls-dont-just-enjoy-hurting-others-they-also-feel-good-about-themselves-145931Therefore, each and every single troll both needs, and deserves to be subjected to immediate, involuntary and indefinite institutinalization not only for their own good, but for the greater good of human civilization. Also, trolling is against Global Rule 3, raiding is against Global Rule 4, spamming is against Global Rule 10 and shilling is against Global Rule 11.Fulfill your civic duty by reporting this thread as soon as possible and as much as possible, /co/mrades.https://sys.4chan.org/co/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=151698279
>>151698279My understanding is that during the height of the MCU's popularity, instead of properly capitalizing off of it, they race and genderbent all the big name heroes and started putting out really lame garbage like pic related. Not even worthy of wiping my ass with
>>151700205I like a lot. You're telling people to avoid the biggest one from the US entirely, when some of these others share the same problems.
>>151700224These are some of the best /co/ threads we get these days because ACTUAL COMICS DISCUSSION IS HAPPENING. Every other comics thread gets ignored.
>>151698279US Comic industry only has itself to blame
>>151699735>>151699983>>151699983
>>151698279People don't read comic books, they collect them. they're scarce by design.They would rather have a 10 customers pay $1000 each for a variant cover of Batman than print 1500 additional copies flood a bookshelf somewhere.
>>151698279It didn't. Post-crisis, capeshit became a wart sustaining itself on a monopoly built to funnel away money from CCG sales, which is a business model unrelated to Manga.
>>151698279One reason I'd like to mention is that anime shills the manga. You take any cartoon or LA movie adaptation of the comics, and they're all kitbashes, taking from across the source material and remixing. Liking the adaptations means nothing about if you'll like the comics because the arcs in the adaptation are decades apart in the comic, under radically different circumstances.It's obviously far from the main reason, otherwise all that movie synergy shit would have worked, but it's something it's one of the more infrequent reasons.
>>151698301I kneel.....
>>151699480What does rich people doing dumb shit for things made 90 years ago have to do with the present state of the industry?
>>151700898>otherwise all that movie synergy shitI recall that there were absolutely no movie tie-ins.
>>151698279Too much capeshit, even shonen is quite varied with its content.Floppies being shit and overpriced, thin ass TPBs being overpriced. Those compact books are a good start, but even those seem to be nothing but capeshit
>>151700188>Price really doesn’t have anything to do with people getting turned off from capeshitBut it has a lot to do with people getting into manga.Manga has been able to adopt a business model of weekly subscriptions of up to 400 pages of material via distributors like Shonen Jump.That amount of content both outstrips what you were buying every week and still managed to be cheaper.
>>151700188>>151701423I think price is definitely a factor for the average person. I have an above-minimum-wage job and have a coworker who talks about buying the DC Compact edition of stuff like Watchmen because he can get two books for the price of one standard size graphic novel. I enjoy splurging for the best printing of something, but this doesn't matter for a large portion of the market who just walks into a bookstore. Not to mention kids (it was a lot easier to convince my parents to get me a Viz/Tokyopop volume as a kid)
>>151701874>I have an above-minimum-wage job and have a coworker who talks about buying the DC Compact edition of stuff like Watchmen because he can get two books for the price of one standard size graphic novel.That's the thing I think a lot of westerners don't totally understand, too, it's just how low the price point is of manga vs. comics". It's "I have a job. I can afford comics".But untranslated and with no import costs, Japanese school kids are getting yelled at by their parents because they bought hundreds of pages of newspaper grade material with just their lunch money.
>>151698279A lot of people dont even think of comics and manga as the same medium. They're often even put in separate sections in bookstores. Generations of terrible press and a bad public image have given comics a really bad stigma in America, so they've attracted less and less talent over the years, especially with the rise of the internet allowing artists to put their own stuff out there. Being a niche hobby also means the marketing is pretty terrible and good things stay niche.
>>151698308I can't think of anywhere outside of anime specific stores that sells manga but not comics
>>151698432what do you expect from tranime fags?
>>151698717Gay and gender shit is the easiest way the One Percenters have to claim to be "working" to "help" people. It's easier to say that you're gay than actually improving public infrastructure for instance. Votes for women exist because the wife of a millionaire was butthurt that a male peasant/factory worker could vote and they couldn't.
>>151698890Saying they are segregated implies they are forced. They're not. They're just appealing to different markets. Plenty of men read shojo and plenty of women read shonen. An american might see a market like the japanese and cream himself at the thought of "segregation" but it's just more options for more people. True market freedom. Which is something americans abhor.
>>151699727>Print runsShipped and sold are different things.
>>151698279>>151698279maybe if american comic writers didn't kill off their heroes all the time and reboot the series with rehashes.
>>151702646>>151698308Anon's wrong about comics being sold only in comic book stores, but the selection you'll find at, say, Barnes & Noble is anemic compared to the manga section.You'll mostly see superhero stuff, some classics, Scholastic works, and a few big name/popular GNs, meanwhile you can walk over to the manga section and have no problem finding weird, fucked up niche shit like "Violent Femdom Rape Fantasy Vol. 14" or "Groomed by a Loli Vampire Vol. 9" or "I'm Having a Schizoid Episode and I'm Going to Fucking Kill Literally Everyone and Then Myself Vol. 22," the kind of stuff that you'd have to go to an adult specialty shop to find the comic equivalent of, usually 20 feet away from the latest volume of Dandadan or Jujutsu Kaisen.
>>151698301>>151699727>scholasticKEKSeethe & /co/pe
>>151698301/thread
Which of these spammers is worse?>>151698301>>151703795Vote now!
>>151698279Manga are more interesting and have more variety and are better drawn and are better paced.The only thing comics have going for it is the dialogue sounding more natural to english readers and maybe the colour but the colours always suck and so does the dialogue.
>>151704237>The only thing comics have going for it is the dialogue sounding more natural to english readers and maybe the colour but the colours always suck and so does the dialogue.Kek, you're such a petty cunt.
>>151698279what's the other like 43% of the pie?
>>151698308It doesn't even sell there.
>>151700214>won't say the circulation>first issue included
Why does the video ignore that manga was artificially kept out of the US market for decades by jews and organized crime?
>>151698301Doesn't matter how bad comics get. Even the worst, most pozzed piece of shit comic book is still better than even the best of tranime/mango.
>>151698279Remember when Goku sold his marriage to the devil, and Chi chi got together with the writer's self insert and had kids with him? Then Goku's body was hijacked by Piccolo while Goku haunted him as a ghost?
>>151698279There are a variety of reasons.I think anime does a great job at popularizing manga. Anime being one of the biggest nerd entertainment mediums not only helps bring notoriety to the comics its based off of, but also just brings the general idea of manga more towards the forefront.Also anime has more variety in stories. It's general structure of various stories which start and end, with only a view serials which run ad nauseum helps it be less intimidating for newcomers.I think there is also something to be said about manga and anime just being culturally in vogue right now
>>151706508Very odd stance. You're siding with the very thing caused the downfall of comics.
Floppies absolutely fucking giga suck as a storytelling formatHigh pricesHarder to read because of lack of rule of T and text text text textManga stories are easier to get into, and it's not about continuity or lore or whatever, the stories are just more exciting because of the way in which they're told; because of the floppy format comics are trapped in between excruciatingly slow decompression and stories so fast they read like summaries.
>>151706600>manga never does anything bad to the protagonists!Dumb cope. Naruto is currently trapped in limbo btw.
the most popular manga magazines run upwards of 20 series at a time, aggressively court new talent, run constant popularity polls of their current series to gather data for what series need fixing or axing and are in a competition with a dozen other weekly and monthly magazines all also doing all of that.... and then the west receives a translation of the couple dozen most popular series from the hundreds of current serializations...... meanwhile Marvel and DC throw darts at a board. It's surprising theyre still in business at all.
>>151698301This kills the "CHAD"ulk spammer
when i was a little kid in the 90s it would take my whole week's allowance to buy a single marvel or dc comic. and id have read through it within half an hourshit wasnt worth it
>>151706739Manga can do that for two reasons that would never fly in american comics, one good for creators, and one bad: the schedules mangaka are subjected to are hellish, it's 19 pages per week and only serious illness or being too big to get cancelled gives you better working conditions; but the only reason mangaka endure this is that they actually own their manga, get serious money if it gets popular, actually have a say and influence in how it gets adapted into an anime, etc. Western artists and writers wouldn't accept the working conditions, and the big companies wouldn't accept the ownership terms.
>>151705562Doujins/indie porn comics.
>>151706835the "hellishness" of it i think is overreported and underrepresentative.19-21 pages a week (or 30+ a month in monthlies) is alot on your own but basically no modern published mangaka is running a shoestring budget team.... there is basically a professional class of manga assistants, how much work the mangaka does is really on whether they see themselves as an artist or a director.
>>151700601lol no
>>151698279>JAPAN GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD>USA BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADThis is what you faggots sounds like.
Manga readers/Pokémoners are the same kids that collected sports cards in the 80s/90s to be part of the trends. Comics didn't lose the people threy never would have had.
>>151698279Mystery Nigga
>>151707070Das rite/co/cksuckerJ/a/pan wonThis is the /a/sian Century
>>151707165Forgot pic, i'm an idiot
>>151707199korean and chink shit
The sheer size and scope of the manga industry just dwarfs western comics so heavily that it's no wonder manga outperforms to such a huge extent. There's so much more competition that even the sloppiest slop outdoes the rough equivalent in the States. People have pointed out that shonen battle manga is basically the equivalent of capeshit over here. I can see that, and as a fan, I'd definitely agree that the genre hasn't been putting its best foot forward for a solid ~15-20 years. But I'd rather read JJK or DanDaDan than the latest Spider-man run, and it's not even close.Shit, if you're willing to dig a little, you can find tons of manga about just about anything. I saw some Youtube video where the creator went over some of his favorite currently-running golf manga. And when he said they were his "favorites," he meant that he specifically preferred them out of all the golf manga currently running. You're just not going to see anything close to that from western comics. At best, you can point toward a few promising series that aren't about superheroes, but you're basically choosing from "the one interesting fantasy comic," "the one horror comic that shows some promise," and "this indie series about anxiety that isn't total trash."I suspect there are a ton of reasons for this, probably going back at least to the Comics Code Authority but probably further than that. At the end of the day, it resulted in a ton of very promising genres (mysteries, horror, fantasy, etc) getting wiped out, leaving western comics extremely homogeneous by comparison. And now that it's basically just DC and Marvel with Image kinda/sorta seeing some success, those few companies have seen a massive drop in quality due to being the only game in town.I'm also gonna add, while woke shit is usually toward the bottom of my Top 10 list of things harming society, shit like >>151698722 and >>151700563 *definitely* does not help matters.
>>151698510Tons of Japanese artists got their start in porn anon, if you're good at drawing dicks and boobs you're probably good at drawing other things too.
>>151698279with manga you just pick a series then the first book volume 1 chapter 1 and read from there, that one simple trick buck broke an entire western market on top of anime selling the manga Like thats it, somebody watches Chainsaw Man then they want to read it and that's it vs someone watched capeshit now here's an entire essay and novel on where to start, all the tie-ins the minis the shitty events the relaunch, reboots the different universe etc
>>151699715>>151702790It was late what I meant was>Anything to ignore that the faggot stuff is just a luxury belief propped up by elites.Idea that that they are only doing all of the LGBT stuff because it is profitable is stupid. Whether they actual believe in it or not is irrelevant because they are a corporation. It isn't some free market shit. Pandering who are by necessity a minority to the detriment to everyone else isn't "Capitalism".
>>151698279Manga:>Go to bookstore>I want to read about Laios from Dungeon Meshi>Buy volume 1 of Dungeon Meshi>Single author's version in a self-contained story that is high quality.>Gradually but the rest of the series when you have money or buy in bulk online to save money.Western Comics:>Go to bookstore>I want to read a story about a knight exploring a dungeon>They don't have anything besides Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman and comics about trans kids fighting heckin white Christians>Go to comic book store>It's all fucking superheros and maybe a few indie comics here and there>Nothing about knights or dragons>Decide to read about Wolverine because of the Deadpool and Wolverine movie>50000 different books about Wolverine>Go online and find one that that appears highly rated on many lists>Have to read a story about spiderman, cyclops and Squirrel Girl or whoever the fuck just to be able to understand what's going on, all of these stories ranging anywhere 1-6 out of 10>Finally reading Wolverine comic>Entire thing is haphazardly written by 16 different authors who all hate each other with various levels of competency>Keeps mentioning other characters and events for some reason>time travel and extra dimensions and magic and unrelated shit>Why is Thor a woman? Shouldn't he be a dude?>Why are there 15 different characters who are all just slight variations of spiderman? Why does every character have 15 variations of themselves who are all sidekicks?>Actually starting to enjoy Wolverine comic series now, despite the over-the-top writing in some areas>Learn the series was actually just canceled because Marvel has decided to reboot the entire universe all over again>Try to read an indie comic>Ranges from the worst thing you've ever read to like a 7 out of 10.>Half of the indie comics are also capeshitRinse and Repeat for several years and that's why manga sells more.
>>151707070because that's what they're saying
Marvel and DC lack aura. Meanwhile anime protags are clean as fuck.
>>151707794At least show an actually good one, because this shit right here is ass.
>>151698301
>>151707846I didn't hear you. Say that again.
>>151707863Solo Leveling is objectively trash, post something that's actually good instead of flavour of the month garbage.
>>151707341>But I'd rather read JJK or DanDaDan than the latest Spider-man run, and it's not even close.Damn. So would I. I even gave JJK a chance; not so for Spider-Man. Sorry Spidey, but you've been unreadable garbage for decades now.
>>151707341There's good reasons why. The American comic book industry is stifling as fuck. Either you go indie and get little support, or you work for Marvel or DC and get no chances to actually tell the story that you want to tell. I'd kill capeshit any day of the week if it got us the same amount of creator control and genre variety as manga has.
>>151707725>to the detriment to everyone elseHow is it a detriment to everyone else? A business expanding its customer base is commonplace, and most people don't throw a hissy fit when it happens. You just sound like a faggot.
>>151698722That's funny, it's even worse over thereMaybe if our western heroes were more cuckolded we'd get more readers
>>151707794>DC lack aura.But anon, part of the reason why Zoomers are getting so into Absolute is because the characters are basically, as you like to say, Aura farming 24/7
>>151707726Japshit:>go to bookstore>I want to read an Isekai by Tokigeshi Murawingu, the writer who appeared this year and only made an isekai>buy it>happyComics:>go to bookstore>do you have uhhhhhhhhhhhh a number 5 and a number 2? I want it animal style>"Sir, this is a bookstore">scream, spaz out on the floor, shout "I'm Pickle Hideo!">be asked to leave>leave>complain on an imageboardWhat an odd person
the american comic industry performs surprisingly well despite being on par with japan's gun industry
>>151707984>A business expanding its customer baseYea, that's not what American businesses did.Expanding your business would be doing what manga does; creating new things that appeal to specific demographics while maintaining what your current demographics like about your content. It's why pretty much every manga publisher has a shounen magazine, a shoujo magazine, a seinen magazine, a josei magazine, and smaller imprints aimed at even more specific markets like BL, GL, TL, etc. etc.Taking your existing content and changing it because you think you can attract a new demographic while retaining your current one even when you're putting in things that the current demographic dislikes isn't good business, it's just fucking stupid.
>>151698308TPBP
>>151708256Aura farming 24/7 but with ZERO feats done LMAOO! What comics didn't realize is that they need to match aura farming with equally epic/peak/cinema fight scenes, and I must admit the only comics doing that currently are Absolute Batman & absolute WW, absolute Superman fights were fucking TRASH!
>>151698279My experience with superhero western slop is: "Wow this cartoon movie about super hero is awesome! I'll check out the comics!" and I buy one and its the worst thing fucking imaginable that makes no fucking sense to a newcomer..
>>151698301KEK.
>>151700572>when some of these others share the same problems.if the problem is specifically being daunted by relaunches, different creative teams, lack of genre variety, etc and a desire to have one concrete vision, then yeah I'd recommend comics that AREN'T capeshit and licenseshitThese people already made up their minds about superheroes and I'm not here to change that, I'd rather concentrate that energy to find out what those people DO like and find appropriate recommendations for their liking because again comics as a medium != superheroes as a genreI don't care if they think Superman is stupid and Spider-Man is for idiots, I want to see more people get into comics an a medium first and foremost
>>151708540"Woke" is a word used by normies & midwits who can't admit the actual problem since people wrongfully demonized McCarthy. The problem isn't "gays existing" since most people don't have a problem with gay porn existing on the Internet. I have no interest in rehabilitating the word "woke" so I call it commie gobbledigook.I call Rainbow Capitalism a conspiracy theory because it is just a cope to pretend that the Left didn't have unchecked cultural hegemony. The only evidence that they have for it is when companies go back on it when "it isn't profitable" but it was never "profitable" not without some special interests funding it.The problem isn't slop. Slop always existed. Bad comics/movies/books/games always existed. The problem is evil slop. With regular slop, there is very little incentive to defend; but with evil slop, there is an industry wide gaslighting of the quality of evil slop because all that it matters to the tastemakers is promotion of evil.
>>151698301BASED
>>151698279Is just that manga is not being held back by the political correctness and puritanical believes that have been infecting western media for at least a decade.Everything has to be about some kind of oppression Olympics with you guys and you don't leave space for enjoyment.
>>151698485Fake AI article.>>151698722Also manga often had an end goal in sight, even if nebulous or they take forever to get there>I want to be the best at [thing]>I want to find the treasure>I want to find my family member>I want to learn how to be good at sex so that my wife is happyThis keeps the story focused.
>>151698279>mangaThat category encompasses a wide variety of genres catering to multiple demographics. DC and Marvel are restricted to capeshit, a hobby largely geared towards middle-aged men.
>>151698580You didn't read or try comics and it showsAny midwit can find publishers that aren't Marvel and DC
>>151698279you wannna know the real reason?manga is sold in digest volumes, printed in black and white on cheap paper, so it's cheap to print, cheap to carry and cheap to buythe worst thing comics ever did was move off of newsprint and start spending a bunch on color and fine quality paper for printingcause what this did was make it so only select places could afford to sell comicsback in the day you would find a comic section at every gas station and grocery store, and comics were cheap so getting people to buy one was nothingbut once they started printing on fancy paper with fancy colors the price per issue shot up 400% and suddenly a lot of the retail stores stopped carrying them cause they weren't selling well enough to justify buying and keeping stockby moving to more expensive paper and ink they simultaneously made comics more difficult to find and more expensive to buy and that would eventually destroy the new and casual reader marketmeanwhile for the price of one or two american comics you could get an entire story arc of manga, cause it was still using low grade stock and black and white printingpretend you're a kid with 10 bucks, would you rather buy one or two american comics, or buy a manga digest containing several issues, maybe even an entire story? not to mention the fact that the manga could have explicit gore and full frontal nudity.
>>151698531Pretty much. And they all have a point.
>>151698279lol they didn't 'break' anything, comic sales were in the same range they are now before manga was even slightly relevant in us stores. manga are just better at attracting new readers across multiple demographics.
>>151707394Do you have any guides on drawing dicks, pussies and simple faces?
>>151700563which would be relevant if that had anything to do with the performance of comics, but it doesn't since those figures haven't shifted in decades, since long before they started doing anything that triggers stupid faggots like you.
>>151712734>manga is sold in digest volumes, printed in black and white on cheap paper, so it's cheap to print, cheap to carry and cheap to buyThe relative amount of piracy of comics and manga disabused me of this idea. When the cost of both are zero, manga still enjoys far higher readership.There is no doubt cost plays a role. But cost just makes comics a poor value proposition. It does not explain the multitude who are apathetic, if not actively dislike the content.This is the commonality of all dying industries: they don't listen to the people who vote with their dollars.
MODS = FAGGOTS
>>151698279Numbers are from Asian countries, not the west.
>>151712976Manga is more popular in Europe too. American comics are difficult to find.
>>151698279Manga is generally appealing. A lot to choose from. Some might not appeal to you much, but it's there and visible, not so much for comics. I've gotten into reading more comics this year and I've been having fun, I'd assume webcomics appeal to me more and there's an issue with that shit hiding in the Internet's recesses. Gotham Academy has been nice, not a fan of its pacing, probably, but I really wouldn't have gotten into it if it weren't for a panel I saw in an /aco/ thread. Octopus Pie, Scott Pilgrim, it really needs to break from the DC/Marvel superhero dominance.
>>151707725Gay people existing is not a problem desu. For instance, you are gay, and yet the world keeps turning.
>>151698301MY HERO!!
I always find it funny how disconnected people can be about this. They spent formative years digesting comic info and lore, reading things while just accepting they don't have the backstory because they were young. If something interested they dove in and discovered it and had nodes to jump off of to get an understanding of different writers, story arcs, callbacks, etc. So they have all this information as adults and any point is somewhere they can begin and "get" it.A newcomer comes around, not invested enough to dive into the network of information needed to know comic bullshit, and they want to read about Batman. They see that there's hundreds of Batman stories going back 90 years and have no idea where to begin. If they ask a dork they'll get some weird and confusing remarks about different series and arcs they aren't privy to, and just want to know the story of Batman.That same guy is curious about One Piece, he picks up volume 1. That's where the story starts. He wants to see what Naruto is about, he picks up volume 1, and if he gets into it he might learn there's light novels about the lore and shit but he never even needs to know it to start reading or to finish reading. Comics using the same fucking characters over and over makes it retardedly overwhelming for a casual person to pick up, you have to be invested into it from the beginning. Sure the system works for people who are invested in the medium but it just doesn't for a lot of people.
>>151713250I grew up watching anime and cape cartoonsSpent my formative years reading manga and comicsWhen I wanted to start reading Spider-Man and Hulk to really get to know what they were like I started with ASM #1 Incredible Hulk #1 from batch torrents on piratebay that led up to secret invasion that was going on in comics I still have those files on my old portable drive though I've replaced some of the ratty old scans with Masterworks Edition
>>151706835>the schedules mangaka are subjected to are hellish, it's 19 pages per weekOh God, how are you this fucking retarded? At this point if you engage this subject you should know damn fucking well that manga magazines are not all weekly, in fact there are more monthly ones. Meanwhile artists in comics can't draw 8 monthly issues in a year.
>>151698279capeshit sucksmanga allows small names to get a chance to break out with completely new IPs even if theyre designed with a very limited run for it's story
Isn't Absolute Batman doing manga numbers? Even the Infernal Hulk is selling pretty well.
>>151713250>Comics using the same fucking characters over and over makes it retardedly overwhelming for a casual person to pick upThe reason they do so is because the value of those companies is in owning the IP. By having all characters share a universe, they are derivative and therefore owned by the company to some degree.I've said it before, I'll say it again. Publishing is incidental to comic books. Manga actually works like traditional publishing.
>>151706969Tell that to people that run something in by far the biggest magazine in Japan that repeatedly submit unfinished art for serialization or commonly miss weeks due to simple illness because they have no backlog. I think it's about as hellish as it sounds.
>>151698279Manga>cute girls and hot guys>flawed relateable characters>adult themes>respects the fansComics>fats, blacks, and trannies>Mary sues>degenerate themes>lectures the fans."Fuck! How did this happen?
>>151713410>"Fuck! How did this happen?It's a mystery.
>>151698301Is Hulkbro the most based /co/CHAD?
>>151713145
Seeing someone try to force his epic new maymay and samefagging like this is just so sad...
>>151698279Because manga actually has some genre variety
>>151698279I think capeslop doesn't yield to self-inserting very well. DC and Marvel characters are more meant to be revered. Manga is much more immersive for the reader. That's really all there is to it.
>>151707726This is mostly a fallacy at this point. Manga titles do have secondary series, sometimes crossovers, and many unnecessary stuff. It's just that you don't see them published in America... Maybe in other western markets, because the manga industry is kinda shit in the USA because the works are often censored and the quality of the books themselves (paper etc) is kinda ass. Like I own the Viz editions of Claymore and the covers are often blurry and full of artifacts.
>>151713544Capeslop's original idea wasn't to self insert, it was mostly a comment on how the institutions that existed in society were doomed to fail. They were aimed at kids of the '29 crash and the impending push of totalitarian ideologies. Super heroes exist because the police isn't capable of doing shit. And then you have Superman who is the most blatant piece of zionist propaganda ever made. In fact sidekicks were invented so the reader could self insert, Batman or whatever were more like father figures for kids. Marvel made it so kids and teens were the heroes instead.
>>151713544>I think capeslop doesn't yield to self-inserting very well.someone tell that to spider-man fans
>>151698279It was a slow break. They really saw this coming since the turn of the millenium. With Dragonballs, One-Piece, SailorMoon and Pokemon getting traction. How could they break it? Because of saturation and price. Japan produces so much stuff that you can easily sell it cheap to global markets, while have animes to promote it and merch/videogames completing it.
>>151713617>Manga titles do have secondary series, sometimes crossovers, and many unnecessary stuff.That stuff is pretty rare though.At most you'll get little side stuff or spin-offs that aren't really necessary or relevant to the story at large.If I want the full story of Ajin I just need to go grab the manga and read it, nothing else is necessary.
>>151698279America is less white than it used to be
>>151698279Start at issue one. Only one title to buy. No cross overs. Affordable. Artist and writer never changes to become different. No muh feminism/blacktivism/lgbtpedofile propaganda.
>>151707199dark horse
>>151714212Definitely not, Dark Horse has already admitted that Berserk alone makes up more than half of all of their sales.That big chunk is almost assuredly kids/Scholastic comics.
>>151706739Currently, Jump have shortage of talented mangaka, due to how brutal weekly release is, how burn out the mangaka was
>>151698296Marvel was ok up until the MCU. DC sucks aside from vertigo.
>>151698279I don’t get why people care so much. Outside the US, manga absolutely dominates US comics anyway.
The real answer is western media keeps defaulting to self-contained stories where status quo is king and nothing ever happensTurns out every human being on earth prefers stories with plot progression and world building and deep lore
>>151714599Status quo is king and nothing ever happens because it has to be for a revolving door of artists and writers to use it effectly. If status quo changed then those artists wouldn't have that template, they'd have to constantly be working on plotlines some other writers made then passed to them like writing hot potato.Series with plot progression and world building either have a single writer and / or small group of dedicated writers so there doesn't need to be a status quo.People don't read Spiderman to see plot, they read Spiderman to see Spiderman.
>>151698401>>151698337I've watched half this video and it's just a history lesson about manga entering the western market. So far there aren't any hot takes about how import product affects local industry.
>>151714924If a story has no plot, then there is no reason for it to exist.
>>151714316But other Jump are weekly too. It's just that SJ's editors have a, let's say, "personality". Tite Kubo famously clashed with them all the time and according to him they "had it in" against him. Bleach was a massive hit but apparently the editors in general didn't liked it and only tolerated it because Akira Toriyama loved it. The funny thing is that most current SJ mangaka love Bleach and SJ themselves have tried to repeat the Bleach formula with little success twice, with JJK and KGB
>>151714985>JJK>Little successUhh, uwotm8?It hasn't sold as much as Bleach, but it's still sitting at over 100 million volumes sold in 6 years, compared to Bleach's 130+ million volumes in over a decade.
>>151698308>Marvel/DC sells in comic book stores onlyNo they dont sell there either
>>151715059With the difference that Bleach is still a hit decades later while it almost seems like SJ wants JJK out, with its rushed ending and its Boruto-like sequel. Demon Slayer hit the right notes with them, short, to the point, and way more profitable. DS was a culture defining landmark, while JJK ended up being a popular anime.
Not all manga created for Shounen Jump are equal. Some will peter out and end (Iron Knight, Dreki Sol) or become popular in certain other countries ( Zenki, Ninku)
>>151714930I remember that in France the old guard was up in arms about manga because it was too sexual and violent. Think of the Asterix kinda guys. But you also had lots of readers of Metal Hurlant, and many manga and OVA were actual ripoffs of MH stuff, so it succeeded. These days manga makes up like 80% of the french market, and on top of that, you have actual french mangaka, with actual anime adaptations, with positive reactions from both mangaka and audiences in Japan. In America this is a tougher challenge because manga goes against everything America is about.
>>151715194It's so strange when I see people only try to downplay JJK's success. Never read it but to have hard data of it topping sales yearly and still try to deny its success is... odd.
