Why does the MCU so frequently make purposely silly-looking versions of classic comic costumes to mock them while pretending it's respectful Easter eggs?
>>151708659>silly-looking versions of classic comic costumesYou can just write "classic comic costumes"
>>151708659>Disney shitty sloppy adaptations done to appeal to dumb whales instead of actual comic book fans for money and profit and ot for the art.You dont say, even Tim Burton cared to some extent with its two Batman films, the makers of the first TMNT movies cares also!Disney just wanted money, imagine if WB would do this crap for the batcostume,, i wanna puke already.
>>151708659fny
>>151708767>>151708659Exactly, its ''Subverting expectations'' (Destroying them with hatred)
>>151708659Because the MCU was always trash, you just know realize it, Disney, HATES YOU.
>>151708692In most cases they're very blatantly made to look cheap and goofy, with the excuse that it's just a stage show or costume partyI wouldn't have included old loki personally as they did that one pretty much for real and Grant stole the whole show
>"Hell no"I fucking hate Jessica Jones in particular and MCU as a whole so much it's unreal.
>>151708659Outside of irony-poisoning, the shadow of Whedonspeak hanging over Marvel Studios, and the legacy of corporate suits thinking "normies audiences don't want to see anything bright and colorful, this is post 9/11 America"...It's because Feige and Esposito are much bigger fans of Ultimate Marvel and the 2000s runs of the 616 continuity than they are towards Classic Marvel. Neither of them like 60s-90s Marvel all that much because:>adapting classic runs wouldn't allow them to tell the original stuff they'd prefer to do that would garner them fame (Beau DeMayo more or less spelled this out based on his brief time as the 97 revival showrunner)>personal taste: Feige prefers his capeshit to be more grounded whereas Esposito allegedly flat out doesn't like superheroes all that much (hence why he jumped at the chance to do Werewolf by Night, why he was very supportive of the MCU take on Moon Knight, etc)>they feel ashamed for liking capeshit in the first place>Feige desperately wants to appeal towards normie moms, single women, and wine aunts, so anything that punches down on what geeky men like gets his approval
To be fair this particular Wonder Man outfit was ass in comics as well
>>151709052>Wine Aunts>Looks it up>oooooooooh........dear....Geez, that makes sense, Disney, Wheadon, Faggy and Expositio were just targeting the misfits they wanna use, but hate geeks and comic fans, they hate pathos and legacy, without a shred of irony, it all makes sense now, appeal to the lowest common denominator.Can you imagine is this parasites would try to pull this crap >>151708659, on Tokusatsu, specially 80s and 90s stuff?
>>151708964If you wanna play shitmantics, (mostly whataboutisms), the original comic costume while actually good, was basically Catwoman and Batman fused but done by Marvel, so maaaaaaaaaybe you could stretch it to Disney not wanna copy Warner/DC.But were do you draw the line? certainly not like this >>151708964
>>151709305In a different and better timeline, they could just done this one.
>>151709275It's harder to do with Tokusatsu exactly because it was made with real materials in the first place.Most of these comes down to looking bad because of material choice, and not because the costumes themselves look stupid in the first place(though some of them absolutely do).If you were to translate a tokusatsu costume into real life, you'd just make the costume as it was in the first place.
>>151709275member when all the $ö¥tards were creaming their pants over Ant-Man shitty MCU costume because ''it look like toku'' even tough it didnt.These retards were the useful idiots to all this slop, since they had to taste, i am not a big Marvel fan but i did grew up with the 90s era of the former, and i know that Disney CAN and SHOULD do better and actually be sincere and take care of these icons of culture and legacy, but they just dont wanna, its all just writing their shitty cynical snarkathon millenial comedies with rapid fire stupidity cgi action slop and ''take teh shirt off boy'' scenes for the future catladies that would regret their lives, all the while wearing the snatch skins of legends.
>>151709305I could've swallowed that explanation had the final costume for Hellcat was not THIS. It just reeks of MUH REALISM and scoffing at more fantastical parts of superhero genre, which is par for the course for those Netflix shows and MCU as a whole.Not that the costume was the only problem with that incarnation of Hellcat, the character itself was awful.
>>151709275I hate the new Gavan costume, too tactikewlish, but i would hate it more if Disney or MCU pulls the ''See gays, this is why comic accurate costumes wont work because they just dont ok, No we didnt sabotage them on porpuse, no siree'' on them.Speaking off, did you know that Toei actually deisgned the Kyuranger costumes to appeal to american audiences who like Super Heros (but assuming they liked real accurate comic book costumes and NOT HIS? >>151708659 >>151708964), only for Hasbro to go ''I dont care about the Sentai, We wanna do Power Rangers without the Sentai, we will do our own costumes'', because that worked so well...........
>>151708659>''Would you like it if it look like this, wing and all?'' mhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhYes, yes we would, I would.
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I mean, if Alex ross and similar can make these look realistic and still really good? >>151708659 why do this disrespectful idiocity instead?
>>151709623>The scales is a "hero costume" patternI actually don't hate that.
>>151709653Here's Alex ross Cap
>>151709275To be specific, Feige has been trying to appeal towards normie women ever since Ike Perlmutter was removed from Marvel. While Perlmutter was the reason we didn't get a Black Widow movie sooner (or more toys of female Marvel characters), he was right about the likelihood of alienating the majority male demographic that makes up Marvel's customer base.What Feige is doing is far worse than just merely "appealing towards women", because Feige is genuinely on stupid pills. He thinks plugging in female characters with chips on their shoulders and having them shit on men is what will actually get normie women watching capeshit. He does not understand that while women do like genre fiction, they don't really like capeshit. They like:>adventure >fantasy (specifically whimsical fairy tale stuff - think The Neverending Story or Moomin or OTGH or Harry Potter or Ghibli movies)>horror>slice-of-life>sci-fi (either sci-fantasy or idealistic/romantic pulpy sci-fi)>drama/soap operas (Sex and the City, Grey's Anatomy, Gossip Girl, Days of our Lives, Desperate Housewives, K-dramas)>mystery/detective/crime>thrillers>romance most of allThe power of capeshit is that you CAN include all these genres depending on what kind of story you want to tell, but Feige cannot think outside the box. Women and their interests are alien to him and so the MCU will continue to decline.
>>151709653That costume would look cheap even if translated 1 for 1.The physique simply cannot be seen through the scales like they are in the image, and on top of that the star would be noticeably just tacked on top of them, with visible gaps, simply due to the nature of them not being a flat surface.The scales would either need to be a pattern (this fixed both issues), the star painted on to the scales (this would likely look even worse), or have the scales formed around a white background, forming a star shape (this would fix the latter issue, and could let a bit of the physique show though the star.
>>151708659Because it was written by irony poisoned assholes who don't want to like anything uncool
>>151709275what would a MCU adaption of kamen rider be like?
>>151709653Thor's silver armor is actually a pretty good indicator that Cap's scalemail is doable and can look decent in live action.
>>151710052Showa or 2000s Heisei?, (pic rel is Reiwa tough.)Either way, it would be a joke
>>151709866have you seen this? >>151709799 or pic rel?
>>151710226That looks cheap as fuck mate. Literally a molded plastic shell.
>>151710226Not anon, but this looks absolutely fucking retarded. What are you people even smoking? He looks like a shitty quality action figures you used to get with happy meals.
>>151709509>>151708964mcu might make retarded jokes about the comic costumes but ultimately they did comic accurate Deadpool and Wolverine when Fox failed to do so, and reasonably acccurate spiderman, and Avengers Captain America looks great to me even tho people make fun of it....
>>151710191Anything works for the idea. maybe the 1st showa one to keep things simple.
>>151710226I feel like Ultimate Alliance Cap would be a good reference point for a live-action practical costume.
>>151710359it would be but they actively dont want anyone to have masks if can be avoided
>>151710052If America ever adapted Kamen Rider, it would probably be a blend of the original Kamen Rider manga by Ishinomori, Anno's Shin Kamen Rider, and Kamen Rider Shin. Considering the Wolverine parallels, I can see things playing out much more like a revenge story (bringing things back full circle to Monte Cristo and Tyger Tyger as core inspirations). Kinda like Deadpool but a lot more dramatic/tragic.
Speaking of Cap, I don't mind losing the chain mail texture.But for god's sake, give him the cowl (or whatever his mask is called). Cap with an exposed neck just looks wrong somehow.
>>151708659Olsen doesn't even look bad in hers.Maybe a few touch ups (also a collar to better connect the cape to the neck) and you're golden. Longer gloves would be nice too.
>>151710340You realize the whole point is to ridicule them?
>>151708767>imagine if WB would do this crap for the batcostumewe don't have to imagine, they've been mocking the tights for 20 years
>>151710718Honestly these days they could just give him a slash-proof neck guard/cowl, and then with the helmet/mask on top of that.That way they can just take of the helmet and pull down the guard as needed.
>>151710359The First Avenger video game tie-in actually had an alternate skin that was the classic suit and looked decent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxoJar0XdwY
>>151711637I remember console tie-ins and how they stopped once Avengers happened.
>>151711671I kinda liked the Hulk one.Sure, it's a very shitty Ultimate Destruction, but it has its charm.Also it was my introduction to U-Foes.
There is one artist that draws Spider-man in a very realistic artstyle, with a proper costume parts segregation and webshooters being visible. The fabric twists and shifts, so sometimes his torso is a bit exposed, sometimes the belt becomes visible. And it looks like coolest shit ever, the only problem are the eyes - I think they're a bit too small and are too far apart. I wish someone would try to adapt this kind of costume, instead of a fully body costume.
>>151708767Anon I love Burton's Batman films but to say they try to be respectful to the source material is just straight up lying.
>>151709162>To be fair Wonder Man was ass in comics as well
>>151708659I like Scarlet Witch. Fills it out almost as well as her porn parody version.
>>151712483Let's be honest, she looked better than any of the parody versions.
>>151708659This was Wanda's best costume>>151709653>>151709718There's an edit of Captain America on Twitter with scales but I can't find it>>151711637This game inspired the action in The Winter Soldier>>151711671There's a cancelled Avengers game by THQ
>>151712697Found it!https://x.com/nicolegoyus/status/1987601858420998270
>>151708659>WAHHH, THEY LOOK SO SILLYThree of these are what the costumes would actually look like if they were faithfully adapted. You can tell me you want accurate Silver Age costumes all you want, but I'd be very hard-pressed to believe you'd like them if you got them. They're of the time they were created, just like any sort of 90s grimdark garbage you love to hate.Sure, part of the issue is that studios think they won't look good and people won't take them seriously, but the other issue is that most of those classic costumes were just colored spandex with little bits of fabric or latex poking out. It would look like shit on someone's actual body, especially in motion, and even more than that, there's little reason for a real-life person to fight monsters and gunmen in a cotton onesie.>what, so we just CONSOOM tacti-cool slop forever?!No, but posting Alex Ross art of old Jack Kirby designs is just coping for your nerd FOMO.
The first top costume in the picture is literally silly and demeaning in-universe
Making movies based on comic books was the worst idea ever, it convinced comic book nerds that their opinions actually matter.
>>151712862>Three of these are what the costumes would actually look like if they were faithfully adaptedPrrtttHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!Oh my god that so hilarious.
>>151712944>second stage of griefI accept your concession.
>>151712905They matter more than those dick riding hack producers
>>151709052The problem here is 2000s and Ultimate also helped introduce the worst qualities of modern Marvel. It's a double-edged sword. Also while many don't like the idea of it, I've proposed before that their creative decisions were partially influenced by an emotional reaction to the Aurora theatre attack
>>151712982Nope, nerds never mattered and we need to go back to shoving them in lockers. We're going back to the days when bullies reigned supreme!
>>151713019Trvth nvke
>>151712944The people who deny that it's possible to make good comics accurate suits ignore Raimiverse and TASM2 Spider-Man, first Winter Soldier, first Iron Man, first Thor (for the most part minus helmet), Norton Hulk, Ghost Rider, Deadpool, AoA Wolverine, Galactus etc. They can do it. They just choose not to.
The directors and producers want to be friends with the actors too. I remember hearing that Whedon showed Olsen a picture of the classic suit and he promised her he wasn't going to make her wear it. And not about the suits but another big problem is that they want to be friends with the actors so badly that they don't require them to shave or change their hair.
>>151713039>Spider-ManEasy one to get right, because it's supposed to be full spandex with minimal texture.>Winter SoldierYou mean Captain America? Because the only thing especially accurate about that one was the A on the helmet.>Iron Manoh nonononono>Norton HulkThey literally made the same fucking joke about the purple shorts. Fuck off. He also looks extremely washed-out.>Ghost RiderWow, biker with a flaming head.>DeadpoolNot Silver Age.>AoA WolvieThe... the two second cameo? That's also not Silver Age?>GalactusAlso washed out. None of that Kirby charm.
>>151709509>I hate the new Gavan costumeIt's just the old costume with less colorful lights.
>>151713112There's another upcoming new one which is red (Gavan Infinity)
>>151709052>It's because Feige and Esposito are much bigger fans of Ultimate Marvel and the 2000s runs of the 616 continuity than they are towards Classic Marvel.In actuality majority of MCU is just Jerry Siegel's ideas and their Logical extrapolations on the other characters and in Particular case of MCU Ant-Man an upside down take on Silver Age Atom ie => in SA Atom canon organic "soft" stuff is very dangerous to shrink because more you shrink = highly likely for example apple will have a NUCLEAR blast = = > in MCU Ant-Man canon only hardened objects can be carelessly shrunk without IMplosion ie ship or human turn into tiny mess soup but an ant can be shrunk and grown without any kind of implosion effectMCU Cap is literally More original Superman accurate than either 616 Cap , Lee-Kirby pure Cap , Simon-Kirby original Cap OR Ultimate Cap this is why ONLY Action Comics #13 has character using heavy as fuck car door as a shield and NOT IN ANY CAPTAIN AMERICA comics in the existence before The First Avenger movie was made>Neither of them like 60s-90s Marvel all that much because:Just like public in general. Same goes for Overall comics when they contradict Siegel's Whys of Superhero. This is why SnyderVerse trilogy is still relevant while Superman 2025 could barely make 50% of what MAN OF STEEL made. This is why Invincible, Star Wars, Dune, Terminator, The Matrix, Robocop have more games/tv shows/etc per capita than Superman let alone Other Siegel's ideas let alone Overall Superman despite the fact that without Superman none of these would exist, no human looking "cyborg" robots, time travel-looping, normal sized guy who is unstoppable, guy with superpowers still using guns (Action Comics #23) and then stopping using them because he just becomes Even MORE overpowered (Neo in Matrix 1 vs 2,3,4 = Superman in Action Comics #23 vs post-heat vision Superman especially modern where heat vision = laser and/or telepathic blast and/or Extension of inner "SUPER" )
>>151709440>>151709509>>151713565Holy fucking schizo. Would it kill you to type coherently?
>>151713110>>Winter Soldier>You mean Captain America?No, you fucking retard, he means Bucky Barnes. The Winter Soldier.
>>151713911Oh, that's great! Because 1) that Bucky Barnes look is from the 2000s, and 2) it's a tac-vest and a metal arm. Not exactly the hardest thing to copy from the comics. It would literally be hardest to get it wrong. And they still didn't give him a domino mask.
>>151713942>he doesn’t knowCap’s look is also from the 2000s, mostly inspired by the 1610 Ultimate version of Cap and not the 616 original. Besides,>moving the goalposts so that the comic-accurate costume is no longer comic-accurate due to a minor facial detail
>>151713958>thread about how movies won't adapt Silver Age comic book outfits>all the examples of comic book accurate costumes people praise are from the 90s and 2000sDo you see the disconnect?>the comic-accurate costume is no longer comic-accurate due to a minor facial detailPretty significant in terms of him looking like a comic book character and not a random soldier. It's the single feature of his that's been consistent since the 40s. In fact, it's almost ironic that someone would praise the first Winter Soldier outfit so much when the FatWS outfit is more accurate to his original 40s trench jacket.
>>151708659This is why im excited for Street Fighter. More or less 1:1 costumes from the games and they made them look good and not cheap
>>151714165>jizzing your pants over thisI hate you niggas like you wouldn't believe.
>>151713873Only 1 of these is ME and it is not my fault you are lacking in term of comprehension, I ALREADY walked out to You and simplified as Best as I CAN but it seems like maybe My best isn't enough or not enough any More. Maybe you just Can NOT understand me in the first place, like how blind person since the day 1 can't know what color really is, let alone difference betwixt them.
>>151709853What’s weird is that a lot of his women are written like early 70’s women in comics like The Defenders. It was hamfisted back then and it’s worse now. The only thing missing is the term chauvinist pig.
>>151714559Marvel sucks at its female characters, be it comics or movies or shows.And those that are worthwhile, MCU managed to butcher beyond any recognition (cough She-Hulk cough)
>>151708659I'd give the Cap one a pass as that was his stage show costume.
>>151714837People forget that Jen was a total shitheel in the 2000's.
>>151714855Slott sucks. 2000s She-Hulk sucks. 2000s Marvel comics suck with some exceptions.No, I won't hear how I "totally liked it in the 2000s" (which I really didn't, I always found Slott to be extremely unfunny)
>>151714902Holy shit! Are you me?I feel exactly the same about 2000's books & Slott.
>>151708659Because the git it so undeniably perfect on their first outing, that they were afraid to ever try again.
>>151715033Fuck I totally fatfingered that so badly lol
>>151715033IIRC Adi Granov was working on the designs for the first movie, that's why it looks good.
>>151714165Too bad Street Fighter is the gayest, redditest shit ever.It's bad enough that my niggas Cody and Rolento have to be stuck in that slop over us getting more Final Fight games. Why the actual fuck the last FF game was in 2010? Especially when "le heckin retro beatem up" nostalgia is at an all-time high and Streets of Rage and Double Dragon games keep getting made.
>>151715033>Adi Granov suitThe peak of Silver Age perfection.
>>151708659Idk, i liked Old Loki's costume
I unironically want to see the original Iron Man suit in live-action.No gold paint nothing. It just has a very sleek look that I feel could unironically work without any compromises.
>ITT: Anons who don't understand the difference between a drawing and a real-life person
