Realistically, what do you think will cause a second animation renaissance if anything?
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>>151713275Execs taking more risks, which I can’t see happening anytime soon, the reboots, revivals, unnecessary sequels, etc. of this decade have basically become our modern equivalent to 80’s toy commercials, where cartoons are only being greenlit based on how popular an IP is.
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>>151713298It’s not just animation but all forms of entertainment are experiencing a slump, video games suck, movies suck, tv sucks, and all are suffering from the same reboot/revival problem.
>>151713275What's the stretchy face guy????
>>151713418Somthing from Bill Plympton, I don't recall what exactly. Probably 'Your Face.'
>>151713456>>151713418Wasnt this from a MTV clip?
I'm being so fr, Zam studios is going to make a huge wave. Every other studio is being shut down or outsourced to India or has already been converted to CG sweatshops. What hope is there for the indy animator? Make their thing, drop it on tiktok and fuck back off to their wagie cage until they muster the gumption to make something else? Smiling Friends shows a genuine care for the medium so I imagine the projects they're going to produce will be nothing short of inspiring.I'm honestly shocked Genndy or Faust/McCraken never made their own studio after leaving CN, they already did it once for a company who gave no fucks about them, why not try again for themselves?
>>151713644Billy Plympton, I think it's from this oneDude went on to make his own movies with very small teams, most of them are very good https://youtu.be/WVfKyWmrQZQ?si=iK2jc1bI8inaC4jV
>>151713275A new war followed by a period of prosperity
>>151713714Not to mention Smiling Friends is like the one show that’s watched by normal human beings rather than autists and teenagers, and I’m glad to see how the studio acknowledges the poor state of the industry on the site.I just hope that studio gives variety to its projects rather than making them all Smiling Friends-like, it’d be neat to see them make all varied types of comedy cartoons.
>>151713275The collapse of the existing corporate studios causing a market vacuum
>>151713404Only a narrow range of personalities produce quality creative content. These personalities clash with with women. People who clash with women in western corporations do not get hired, do not get contracts renewed, do not get good reputations, and or often censured and fired.
>>151714104This. I think the true rise will happen when indie studios are making mass appeal preschool shows
>>151713934Yeah I am a bit worried they'll just do a bunch of newgrounds style movies. Not that I wouldn't enjoy that, but it would get tiresome seeing the same thing again and again and it would also provide no help making more people accept animayion as a medium instead of a "thing for kids". It would be insane to see them make something on the scale of Princess Kaguya or with the impact of Akira. But that's gotta be at LEAST a decade out
>>151713780Please make it a paneuropean reconquista.
>>151713275AINot in the sense of completely taking over the artistic side. But once you can feed an AI some character sketches and have it reliably replicate and animate them in your style, once you can tweak elements of a scene, the costs of good animation will drop by multiple orders of magnitude. This will open up the field to far more creative competition, and eventually new legends will be born
>>151713404>everything sucks I mean this sincerely, you have depression
>>151713275Nothing. It's dead. You're gonna get a wave of cheap ai sludge churned out and drowning out all attempts to animate and draw, and the continued locking down of the internet won't help either. We are fucked and the industry has had its life support unplugged. We're just waiting for it to be declared legally dead.
>>151713275Jaden Smith’s trust fund vesting
>>151713275AI will shitout slop non-stop, saturate the market horrifically and poison the well completely. Companies will fire artists, writers, voice actors and directors, who will then create a counter movement focusing on human art first and foremost. That will give people incentive to draw and animate better, and for more experimental stuff to happen so as to distance human from AI art.
Easy as fuck. Young zoomers and gen alphas have insane animation and general art skills because unlike us older folks they had elite level self-teaching resources right off the bat. I think that as they grow up they'll take over indie animation by storm and NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THAT! I've observed that amongst younger folks there's 2 types of art consumers>slop eaters>extreme elitistsI've met lots of younger folks in language learning discord servers and its crazy to me that at times you stumble upon these 15 yos that know half the literary canon and are more knowlegdegable on Andrei Tarkovsky than netflixslop and marvel, and lots of those are artists as well. I think that when those grow up we'll start getting insane quality out of the fucking blue.
>>151714138>never gotten along with women>all the creative spaces growing up were dominated by women>funnel all my autism into internet roleplay because its the only place I know its 9/10 another man>the older I get the more creative interests I develop>still can't stand womenyeah, that tracks
>>151714138Not only women but dykes as well. A good amount of that slump is trying to appeal to those parasites.
>>151713275When dykes and trannies are booted from the industry.
>>151715003Chuds like you acting like they're responsible for the downfall rather than the executives need a kick in the balls. Yes they paved the way for Steven Universe and its successors but the reason why all shows look so cheap and why so many struggle to get gigs or jobs is on the execs.
>>151714349Not necessarily, culture changes. People of the mid-20th century were appalled by the entertainment of the late 20th century. It's no longer for them.
>>151715391No I get that, but I say this as someone who has stopped watching television and movies for the most part: If you think entertainment is just universally bad these days, you have depression. There is some interesting vidya now that could not have worked in the past and a much bigger market for indies, and even some interesting sci-fi books coming out. I think what's happened is that due to various technological factors, the barrier for entry into variouss different enetertainment industries is much lower, so there's more slop to sift through. But there's absolutely a lot of gems out there, you just need to look for them
>>151713275Nothing. Animation as a medium has been gutted by corporations, streaming, gatekeeping within the insdustry, and digital technology. The conditions that created the rennissance in the 90's no longer exists.
Animation is doomed unless AI is banned and Indians are genocided.
>>151713275Nothing. Indie was our only hope but even then zoomers/millenials only use animation as a medium for their gay therapy sessions. We'll never anything close to a 90's cartoon ever again. It's dead, Jim.
>>151715344>chuds like you-Haha good bait bro.
>>151715484The real answer. But good part of that is having a culture that values children entertainment.
>>151715511I think creatives put too much stock in write what you know, which is good advice but really depends on the creator. A lot of times that writing strategy is just a lazy excuse to 1 to1 things from their life into a story with no thought of properly blending it and make it feel natural and never consider the appeal of it.
>>151715533>>151715484>Animation is doomed unless we all get on board with my retarded edgelord politics!!!kill yourselves
The war on AI is an epic battle between indie animation vs indian animation
>>151715633Yeah and AI is the indie animation
>>151713418>>151713766https://youtu.be/DepTb0112Hs
>>151715611I see subtlety is lost in translation huh, Ranjeet?
>>151714562We had a lot of computer programmers and webcomic artists once. They mostly burned out on creative endeavours or focused on getting real jobs once they had to be independent.
>>151715715Indians are cool
>>151715799yes we are there just jealous that we get all women now and women wants us but not them because there transphobic chuds
>>151715715Not Indian but yeah, in general the Indians in the US I've met have been way cooler and friendlier than the retarded fatass whites whites who tend to be the ones complaining about everyone else while collecting welfare on their couch
>>151715799>>151715824This shit funnier than any comedy that was made in the last decade. Jeets really have no self awareness.
>>151715839And he keeps fucking going KWAB!!
>>151715839>retarded fatass whites whites who tend to be the ones complaining about everyone else while collecting welfare on their couchWell indians have been buying up the businesses in my neighborhood and firing the white workers. I have applied to many jobs and have been rejected due to:>An indian who only hires other indians>An indian-american who just hires non-white people
It’s such a mindfuck to think that in a few years the animation renaissance would be 40 years old. Like so many of those influential animators from that time have grown old and it’d be best that the younger generations take influence from them, just like how said renaissance animators took influence from golden age animators like Avery and Clampett.
probably not gonna happen. don bluth is the only old master left (if you can even call him one) and no one has ever bothered to learn old school animation techniques. it's all just tweened flash and inconsistent digitally drawn crap from now on
>>151715872Yep, cry about it>>151715887>I can't get a job because Indians!I simply don't believe you. I think it's much more likely that employers won't hire you because you've got massive personal problems indicated by you coming to 4chan and blaming your lack of success on Indians. It is not hard to be moderately successful in the US, it really is not
>>151715887this because indians are mistreated by yall to you have to be racist to us and treated us like shit and destroyed our country so its called revenge
>>151715932>I simply don't believe you.Whatever faggot. That was the first post I made ITT. If it weren't for the stuff I said before, I would honestly like Indians. They are smart, USUALLY don't act ghetto, and have a lot of grit. But if you discriminate against me in my own country then you can go fuck yourself. White people are naturally physically stronger than indians, you aren't strong like blacks or hispanics.>>151715937Nope, a white american man named Norman Borlaug created a crop that fed all of India. You're welcome. Someone letting you into their country is the opposite of discrimination. You destroyed your own country, unless you want to technically blame Borlaug for your overpopulation. The British introduced modern techonolgy and built trains for you. You would see it differently you weren't jealous of whites' pretty eye colors and tall height.
Remember all immigrants are bad in Trumps America except Indians. Who join the Republican Party, staff the AI industry, govern states conservatively and marry the vice-president.
>>151713275We're approaching 2026. Animation is now when you take a Minecraft parkour reddit story short and put a furry at the bottom.
>>151716085You forgot head the FBI.
>>151716029>you, you, youI am not Indian. I'm a white dude working in a research lab which includes both Indians and Chinese (and a korean and a Russian and a couple of Brazilians). Of them all the Russian is definitely the most unpleasant. Chinese guy is the funniest (he's got a weird combo of politics, basically he's gay and came to the US to escape China's anti-gay stuff, which basically turned him into a super pro-American anti-commie pro-gun gay dude). The Brazilians are alright (desu they seem like basically American hipsters with funny accents), the Indians are definitely the most polite.Given this website's edgelord faggotry, first off, no, I don't believe you. I think it's far more likely you've never met an Indian in your life and you're just taking whatever excuse you can get to screech about brown people, probably while being brown yourself. But let's say that you were correct and you actually were discriminated against by Indians. Well, in that case, I don't believe in holding the individual accountable for the sins of other members of his race. I don't hold the Russian I work with accountable for the Ukraine war (and it wouldn't make sense to, since he's very anti-Putin). It is genuinely an unhealthy attitude to stew in an environment where you don't get any pushback for this sort of thing and in which you think that anyone who must be pushing back on it is only doing so out of racial self-interest.
>>151716133See? Indians is the best people and thats why women is the most attracted to them instead of chuds.
>>151715926Bakshis the other animation legend that’s still alive, but like Bluth, he’s also retired, obviously.Animators are still capable of making great stuff, look at The Day the Earth Blew Up for example, a film made to be a homage to classic Looney Tunes that looked great, that Disney Once Upon a Studio short also proved that Disney animators are still capable of making great animation in 2D. However, most of these animators are regulated to boarding for beanshit so they can ship that off to a Korean studio or something. There are people with talent but the industry ain’t letting them shine.
>>151715649Learn to draw fag.
Something that some Japanese directors did was put their storyboards on YouTube to show off their independent work without having to go through the extra work of inbetweens, colouring and sounds.
>>151716186>>151714340The future is people who know how to draw with striking styles, giving that to AI systems designed for animators to make the process of animating in that style much cheaper. It's not going to be "AI generates everything" or "Human art only", it's going to be human artists working with AI to make the process of animation much, much cheaper (and thus much more open to new creators)
>>151716133>I think it's far more likely you've never met an Indian in your life Wrong, I grew up around tons of desi people. There were more south asians at my HS than white kids. If you read my post I complimented them on quite a bit. If it weren't for their hiring practices in MY neighborhood I would have no issue with them.>you're just taking whatever excuse you can get to screech about brown peopleNo. I never post indian hate on here, I just made my first post when you mentioned whites being unemployed and lazy. >I don't believe in holding the individual accountable for the sins of other members of his race.Me neither, but I'm smart enough to know that others do. The average indian person I grew up with disliked me to an extent for being white, even if we were friends. Some of them liked me entirely, and some of them hated me.I think your experience is biased a bit, I'm not talking about professional research labs. This started when I was a teenager, I applied to work at Burger King in a pretty white neighborhood, but there were no white people working there. The manager was a young desi american, just like one I went to school with. I do not hate Indians for their identity, and can admit like you said they do a lot of things better than white people.
>>151716247I'd rather watch slideshows than AI tweening.
>>151716247They need to figure out how to do that first. I worry less that it’s impossible and more the execs will settle for garbage as it stands then bother to progress it.Flash was supposed to make animation cheaper and faster. Wakfu proved it could be used normally. But instead of more with the same budget or the same with less. We got less with less.
>>151713308Thank you, anon. I have faith in your vision.
>>151716386I worry about that too, and I think that's the biggest threat. I don't think current AI systems are there yet and animation execs will see the savings and jump to adapt early versions of these systems before they're ready. However, I do think this is definitely eventually going to happen within the next 10 years. It's just hard to predict when exactly. The image generation and video generation cutting-edge models are still advancing rapidly, but I feel like a lot of our engineering talent is focused on pushing these models forward rather than on business applications. Which right now makes sense; it would suck to spend a year or two making a new animation workflow incorporating AI only for it to be made obsolete by a new fundamental model with far greater capabilities. But I do have a lot of hope. I think we'll see the following phases:1. Big corpos doing early adoption of AI animation techniques before they're ready in order to save money (sort of begun already)2. Backlash 3. AI systems improve in the background for a while and new indy creators slowly begin to learn new tools 4. A burst of online "indy" animation, some of which looks and sounds very jank, while they figure out how to work with these new tools 5. Indy scene matures, and all of a sudden we've got indie online animation that rivals or even outshines big business animation (which is struggling with budget cuts, animators locked in to using early, clunky versions of the AI tools, or dedicating themselves to 'traditional' animation in the face of the backlash and doing so poorly)6. Eventually this new wave of indy animators found their own studios or get hired and legitimized
>>151716478Lol I ain't reading all that shit touch pencil faggot
>>151713308this anon is right you know?We can't just sit around waiting for something to come up when we can play active roles in it! I'm not even talking about making our own stuff just support good stuff and drag bad stuff thru the mud until the world feels right again idfk
>>151716651I hope you know when someone posts "I ain't reading all that" it is immediately clear to everyone else that they have in fact read all that
>>151713275Well a certain people would have to be expelled from the nation
>>151714340>eventually new legends will be bornIs there any AI artists that stands out from the crowd of AI artists now? Like plenty of accounts are big cause they gen fan art but it's not like any have die hard fans that know their best pieces by heart. the direction the medium is taking seems to be a flat horizontal organizational structure, so a "Legend" standing out doesn't really make sense because legend implies they are doing something exceptional from the ordinary and thus are doing something no one else can do which is antithetical to the goals of the AI art movement, that Anyone can gen anything with no limitations. the only real hierarchy between AI artists is the specs of their PC and how intensely it can handle genning something. It's interesting to observe how differently they talk about making images vs traditional artists.
>>151714971Yeah dont get me wrong here. Im trying to be concise. There's also a healthy plurality of men who enable the women by taking their side in all matters. I wouldnt necessarily want to kick those men out. Someone needed to tell george lucas to not make luke skywalker a cyborg and han solo a lizard man. These men who have a mind for their social appaearsnce can provide a valuable service to creative men. Its just in thenpresence of women this sense becomes a panic and their attention turns away from how the project looks to how they themselves look in the moment in the meeting with the angry woman and the man in a loud shirt who just told a poop/vagina joke.The women who are cool and wouldnt be contributing to this issue can prove themselves by acknowledging that they need to get out and help keep the rest of the women out too.
>>151715344>its not the trannies and lesbians. Its the executives who do their biddingYes. If all of the men locked arms and just said "no" the day would be saved, but these men are pussies. Which is why they got MBAs and applied for jobs as a "professional rich person". We need men like this to fill out forms and make phone calls to banks. What invaluable service do the trannies and dykes contribute?
>>151715599People who "wrote what they know" are not creative.
>>151717044There are some who've done some creative video editing work usually following small narratives, which stands out from the majority of people who just do low-effort prompting. Some of them also do some small-scale model tweaking and training to get particular styles and effects, as well. But I think we're in the infancy of AI art; we are only just grappling with the fact that AI can make decent looking art, even if it takes some effort to get it to do something non-generic. We haven't really reached the point that I think we eventually will, where AI tools are tuned to take in some samples from an artist and learn to draw and animate them in multiple poses. I don't think things will end up 'flat'; I think decent-looking yet generic art will become much more ubiquitous (and thought of as slop) while the "legends" will be the people who us these tools to achieve unique looks and animation styles, either on their own or with very small teams, and then use these to create animations with risky narratives that current studios would shy away from. There will always be room for legends to arise in creative work, simply because not every person has the vision to achieve things like that.
>>151717284Then billions generate slop trained on the "legends" that looks just as good.
No matter how good or convincing the ai slop is it'll never compare to authentic human detail and precision. You can feel the intention through each motion in the animation. Ai niggers will disagree, im not saying ai looks like shit, i see good examples of it, but it gets muddy when it comes down to details, which is where shit matters most
>>151717491Sure, but that's just an accelerated version of what's happening right now. People take inspiration from legends, put their own twists on it, and then from this process new distinct styles are born.>>151718083Current AI isn't there yet, but the big mistake you're making is thinking that the weaknesses in existing models will be there forever. Five years ago, these things could barely make muddy, mutant-looking faces that were 128x128 pixels wide. There is no reason to think that AI artifacts or muddiness will last forever.
>>151717044>>151718083All AI "cartoons" I've seen are just stock Pixar designs, stock Family Guy designs, stock generic anime designs, stock beanmouth designs it only copies the most common, and thus generic, artstyles, making them look bland as fuck.The animation renaissance had animators with unique and distinctive artstyles like John K, Jhonen Vazquez, Danny Antonucci, Genndy Tartakovsky, all people with artstyles that help inspire others, AI can't capture that artistic merit.
