Animal Farm is now a kids movie starring Seth Rogan.We'll never get a faithful adaptation ever again.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8wLmj9SiKM
>>151732816>Seth Rogan as Pig StalinThat sounds like a Family Guy cutaway joke
Looks pretty faithful to me.Animal Farm is about how a revolution is betrayed by fascists who are obsessed with western luxuries. It's exactly what happened to British and French communist parties, which is who George Orwell was writing about.Orwell's publisher frequently mischaracterized his works in order to avoid being banned in MacCarthy era US. Like how 1984 is actually about the BBC during WW2 being forced to broadcast anti-USSR propaganda which then switched to anti-German propaganda the minute Hitler invaded Poland, and then back to anti-USSR propaganda the minute the war ended. None of his books are about the Soviet Union, Orwell admired the USSR and called Stalin the greatest man who ever lived. He even fought alongside Russian communist freedom fighters in the Spanish Civil War, another revolution crushed by western fascists.
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>>151732816>You know what would make this psychological horror story about communist pigs abusing power better?>PIGS DRIVING SPORTS CARS!And thus, this movie was born
>rich futuristic hag is le villian now instead of napoleon who is now a comedic-relief being enabled by said hag.We're doomed
>>151732876>No no, it's about these failed commies! Not these other failed commies which were actually totally successful commies!
>>151732941What does George Orwell say about capitalism like this
>>151732941That's what happens in the book. You clearly didn't read it just like these morons>>151732908>>151732953
>>151733018Nah, you're just media illiterate
>>151733033Obviously not, he's just being dishonest.
>>151732816Usually Cgi kids movies that aren't Pixar, DreamWorks or sony which gives then attention. are the most basic, condensed and safest slop ever to be made. They are not visually interesting, impressive but basic animation, barbones humor, condensed writing, boring models and characters.Not worth remembering.This is just one or these movies but because this is *specifically* based on Animal Farm, a critique of Marxism. We've lost the plot, now these euromutts are fucking with old books that isn't meant to be capitalized in the first place.Tldr; what the fuck are we even doing anymore
>>151732816>human villains
>>151733033Are you saying that the Pigs didn't purchase a car in the novel? Because that's what happens.Read the fucking book.
>>151733218It wasn’t a sports car though, so my point still stands
>>151733148>Mr. Jones>Mr. Fredrick>Mr. Pilkington >Mr. WhymperREAD THE BOOKAll of the complaints of "WHY DID THEY CHANGE THIS" are just people not reading the book. Everything that happens in the trailer happens in the book, the pigs start buying luxury products sold to them by humans and in the end are indistinguishable from humans. READ THE BOOK.
>>151733148The farmers were essentially villainous in the book but hardly the ultimate villains.While it can be argued that the book is about Ideological Authoritarianism in general, Napoleons rise mirrors Joseph Stalins too closely to not bring Communism as practiced in the early 20th century to mind.People like to bring up Orwell fighting for the Republicans in Spain but fail to mention he was pretty thoroughly disgusted with them by the time he left.
>>151733244Anon, it is actually you who did not read the book.
>>151733244I don't think you have read that book actually. not with that reaction toward the movie.
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>>151733244The Pigs start by raiding internal resources pretty early on, namely milk and apples.Also Napoleons purge is way before they start "importing luxury goods".The Pigs, with the possible exception of Old Major, are pretty clearly hypocrites from the start, even Snowball.
>>151732816Youre not getting a faithful adaptation of any book ever again, not animated a least.
>>151733468dont you put that evil on us
>>151732816The human models look so bad
>>151732816Look, we already got "Napoleon Mighty Leader", we need nothing morehttps://youtu.be/0m1VsFOUePw?t=33
Why do directors shy away from giving kids movies proper lessons? The Animal Farm book and movie I had to write a thesis of in middle school was nothing like this.
>>151732816>faithful adaptation ever again>againnever was one.
>>151733419>>151733330>>151733329Spend less time watching right wing grifters, more time reading books.
>>151732816Even ignoring political allegories, this stories whole message was that evil can rise from good or beneficial causes, the idea of an outside force corrupting the main character completely shits on that message.>>151733505The animal models look generic as fuck too, it’s your standard dreamworksified/pixarfied character models we’ve seen a million time before, if they wanted to appeal to more mature audiences they should’ve used this opportunity to stylize it, make it more unique, like visually dark and gritty like the original film.
>>151733632Spend less time being an absolute retard, more time not being an absolute retard.
>>151733632good morning sir
>>151733632I did read the book and the Pigs are corrupt way before they start wearing clothes and walking on two legs.
>>151733633That's what I literally said here >>151733132
I wonder how they're gonna handle the chicken massacre scene.
>We'll never get a faithful adaptation ever again.We never got a faithful adaptation, lmao.
>>151732816>Napoleon as the protagonist and not Boxer, Benjamin or an extended role for SnowballWhy? Even an OC pig that gets led astray by the humans and Napoleon seems more sensible than the Stalin stand in
>>151733268>The farmers were essentially villainous in the book but hardly the ultimate villains.They are the ultimate villains just as the pigs are. The point of the book is that all the animals accomplish is a change in masters.>People like to bring up Orwell fighting for the Republicans in Spain but fail to mention he was pretty thoroughly disgusted with them by the time he left.Orwell explained the premise of the fucking book himself.>Of course I intended it primarily as a satire on the Russian revolution. But I did mean it to have a wider application in so much that I meant that that kind of revolution (violent conspiratorial revolution, led by unconsciously power-hungry people) can only lead to a change of masters. I meant the moral to be that revolutions only effect a radical improvement when the masses are alert and know how to chuck out their leaders as soon as the latter have done their job. The turning-point of the story was supposed to be when the pigs kept the milk and apples for themselves (Kronstadt.3) If the other animals had had the sense to put their foot down then, it would have been all right. If people think I am defending the status quo, that is, I think, because they have grown pessimistic and assume that there is no alternative except dictatorship or laissez-faire capitalism. In the case of Trotskyists, there is the added complication that they feel responsible for events in the USSR up to about 1926 and have to assume that a sudden degeneration took place about that date. Whereas I think the whole process was foreseeable—and was foreseen by a few people, eg. Bertrand Russell—from the very nature of the Bolshevik party. What I was trying to say was, ‘You can’t have a revolution unless you make it for yourself; there is no such thing as a benevolent dictat[or]ship.’The CIA version of Animal Farm has people brain poisoned as to what the actual message was.
>>151732876>Boop boop beep boop gaay ka gobar khao
>>151733033You are braindead plant.
>>151733244You will never be a decent human being with critical tough and common sense
I for one cannot wait for the right wing think pieces and reviews about how this is woke leftist propaganda that ruined the book and Orwell's message about how communism is evil and doomed to fail. It's going to be comedy gold.
>>151733419I don't recall Snowball being a hypocrite in the book, and I certainly don't trust this derange Hindi automaton to prove me wrong >>151733244 >>151732876
>>151732816The sad thing is I get why they landed on comedic animated film. It just comes across as very tone deaf and akin to adapting 1984 into a romcom. Like you could, the ingredients are there, but why?
Guy needs to stick to making jigglypuff voices and acting like a gorilla. What the fuck is this dumb shit
>>151733632>Spend less time watching LEFT wing grifters (media essayists, cartoon reviewers, breadtubers, influencers, watchmojo) more time reading books.
>>151734770Are you the same schizoid Jannie that derailed the MCU costume thread with insane tangents just for flooding reasons?
>>151735030I have no idea what you're talking about.
>>151735030>>151735042Also the 1954 version was actually made by the CIA.>Animal Farm is a 1954 animated drama film directed and produced by John Halas and Joy Batchelor and funded in part by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), who also made changes to the original script.[7][8][9]
>>151732816Remember, and I say this from a neutral standpoint, Capitalism exists to devour and transform everything into more of itself, for better or worse. Communism would simply destroy things it didn't like, but Capitalism will devour it and turn that thing into an inversion of itself, even things that exist to praise it as an alternative to Communism, everything gets crushed, mashed, flattened out like a dough roller, until everything has the same approximate consistency of that "Sing" movie. No substance, no commentary, no potentially dangerous ideas, no actual morals. Even things like white supremacy will be digested and made more palatable to the taste of Capitalism's consumerist ideology. And sometimes, that's fine! Hamburgers taste good! But it will turn every single steak into hamburger. It also turns every single cow patty into more hamburger. It recycles that guy's uneaten burger into more burger. Until the whole world is burger. A "Green Goo" scenario, if you will.
>>151732816To the /co/mmunists in this thread I have a question. Why do you think the solution to saving the worker from those that have accumulated all the wealth is to accumulate all the wealth to the state?
>>151735102the answer is to disconnect wealth and well-being. Make anything necessary to live be available to everyone, so that NOT having wealth doesn't mean you have to go hungry or homeless.
>>151732876Give me 5 of your best reasons why you think communism is a better economic system than capitalism.
this is about the level of respect Orwell and his retarded monkey slop deserves. I'd say add a few more fart jokes and a dance party ending too and it'd be perfect
>>151735121You realize you are giving the state entire dominion over your life right? Anything the government supplies it can take away for any arbitrary reason.
>>151735128for one thing, I don't think amassing wealth is inherently virtuous, I think it's morally neutral. So if you're profiting off of other people's suffering, it becomes a malicious act, because there's no inherent virtue in amassing wealth to justify it. There's nothing wrong with making money, but if you had to, say, threaten someone with losing their medication to get them to sign a worse deal so you make a bunch more money, that's evil. Making money is less important than people being alive and safe.
>>151735164So what is virtuous about stealing other people's possessions?
>>151735157Yes, which is why you don't make it a social welfare program, like Food Stamps, you make it a universal thing like the police and fire departments. You don't make people have to sign up to get into a line to eventually get a housing voucher they can give to a capitalist who is holding housing hostage, you make a 911 style phone number you can call if you lose your access to stable housing, and it's available to everyone. This would also help to bring down housing costs by providing an actual alternative other than homelessness.
>>151735182That's an absolutely nonsensical bad-faith question, framed so as to automatically make your perspective seem "obvious" and any alternative be automatically painted as "theft". Make a better argument if you actually want an answer, and if you don't actually want an answer don't ask the question.
>>151732876Communism = gay/thread
>>151732816There's never been a faithful adaptation of Animal Farm. They all change the ending to a happy one.
>>151735208I accept your concession
>>151735190You're acting like the government can't stop universal programs.
>>151732816this is from the same studio that made that jesus tv show and david vs goliath animated movieall the more reason why christians should be banned from hollywood
>>151735266They are just distributing the film after no one else wanted it
>>151735138Ok, retard
>>151732816Asked this in another thread but can Angel Studios make anything good? They're also making a musical adaptation of David and Goliath that looks mid as fuck. Kinda disappointing desu, because I love The Prince of Egypt and want to see more Bible adaptations in that vein.
>>151735264they absolutely can, but the government isn't some shadowy cosmic entity, it's a bunch of human beings. Making something a universal right makes it *much* harder to end. Case in point, the decades-long conservative effort to dismantle social security, which is so difficult because the aging voter base doesn't want to lose their benefits. If those same old people never had to worry about losing their homes and become homeless, they would vote against any politician who tried to take it away from them. "A rising tide raises all ships" and "personal is not the same as important" are two important and eternal moral cornerstones that can guide you in your considerations on these matters.
Here's a tldr summaryhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l4c2_0bLXhw
>>151735128>Give me 5 of your best reasons why you think communism is a better economic system than capitalismFood, shelter, medicine, water, electricity
>>151735380>Food
>>151735380>electricity
There times when i wish i was born amish. But then again
>>151735380I didn't know commies and ruskies like homosexuals and operadas?
>>151735380>FoodHolodomor>shelterKommunalki>medicineZero-covid policy>waterAral Sea>electricityChernobyl
>>151735069Yeah, what else? Hmm?
>>151734860>>151733419Snowball is very explicitly the "good" pig which is why he gets run out.Snowball represents Lenin and the intellectual/professorial leaders of the movement that were pushed out by Stalin (Napoleon)All of the characters in the book are very simple and one-dimensional archetypes of different players and classes in the Soviet revolution
Please Santa, all I want for Christmas is for Seth Rogen to get bone cancer.
>>151735845never gonna happen, he's useful to the cabal, even if he smokes weed and is occasionally critical of Israel, he'll get sips from the fountain of youth like every other celebrity. (metaphorical, by that I mean he's wealthy and would get million-dollar treatment for any possible issue he might have in that department, because they are the chosen people and you are not)
>>151735866He made Santa Inc. He's getting bone cancer for Christmas. Santa doesn't tolerate that shit.
>>151735896Tell that to every coca-cola exec.
>>151735910Tell that to their severed penises which are preserved in Santa's workshop up at the North Pole.
>>151735969Is that why Hitler wanted to find Santa so bad?
>>151735994And the Holy Grail. o he could pour water on the severed ends and reattach it.
>>151735380>FoodMao alone starved 30.000.000 people to death.
>>151736221Western embargos did that.Every time someone tries to claim "communism starves people", there's a Western embargo involved.
>>151736341>Western embargos did that.Did western embargoes force him to be a retard with the Four Pests campaign?
>>151736341>Western EmbargosSo a communist nation needs supplies from capitalist ones to survive? Is that really the argument you are making right now? Also China and the Soviet Union had some of the most arable land in the world how do you fuck up food production that hard when your countries are mostly farm land?
>>151732816Is he still a commie?
>>151735380Capitalist societies produce more of all of this. That's why China is capitalist economically.
>>151732816I'm okay with making an Animal Farm based film about capitalism, I just wish they'd give it a subtitle.Animal Farm is a great work of art about the failings of the Soviet Union and Communism. Any deviations from that core theme ought to have a different title
>>151736696Mao was a massive retard that had brilliant ideas like exterminating all the sparrows in China and forcing every peasant to melt down their farm tools with backyard forges to make useless pig iron in a retarded attempt to drum up national steel production.
>>151737042>Two cents have been deposited into your social credit account Maoh Pin Yang
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxsNU7ZZAlU
>>151732842No, not Stalin.He is supposed to be an Elon Musk allegory.YOU THINK IM JOKING NIGGER? Watch as they push some shitty app platform called 'oinker' or something in the movie's universe.Now be ready cause the next family friendly movie is going to be Brave New World and it's about how medication is actually good for you.
>>151735157>He thinks the mentally ill retards who collect toys and cry about not having good financial skills have an actual ounce of rational thought beyond "someone will come along to save me"Anon....the person you are talking to thinks that a doctor looked at him as a baby and said "I hate this person and I know how to make them seeth. Assign them male."
>>151735506You get electricity from a single provider with a regional monopoly negotiated with the state hooked into a federally managed grid. There is fuck all capitalist about it. Shut your whore mouth.Or you live in Texas and have to pray your masters let you live every winter/summer.>>151735402Remind me what % of the country has their food paid for by the government? Remind me again why we need price gouging laws for food?>>151735572You're a dumbass.
has anybody mentioned the 1999 film at all?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QrhhaWp-0o
>>151736221>Mao alone starved 30.000.000 people to death.Yes, he did, due to a combination of local officials being too afraid to report that their peasantry needed help leading to help not getting sent to those in need and even food that could have helped prevent famine being exported while people starved, severe weather destroying crop yields, that bullshit with the sparrows, and Lysenkoism.The moral of the story being anti-science bullshit is bad, the environment should be protected, and authoritarian regimes that leave people too afraid to report failure are bad actually.Meanwhile, Britain starved 3.8 million people in India through deliberate neglect, inflation, and the extraction of resources for troops.The moral of the story being shut your whore mouth.
>>151737396https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m1VsFOUePw
>>151736753>Capitalist societies produce more of all of thisAnd capitalism in those societies ensures everyone gets access to all of that, right?Right?
>>151737293We don't need price gouging laws because the average fucking profit for a grocery chain is between 1% and 3%
>>151735102the goal is "dictatorship of the proletariat" which is when the state is accountable to the proletariat (alone), this involves direct democracy and direct worker management of factories etc.
>>151737397>The moral of the story being shut your whore mouth.Retard commie big mad when you mention the pesky death tolls they're responsible for
>>151737501Damn
>>151737397>HE DINDUNOTHING IT DON'T COUNTJesus christ
I'm not sure what's sadder, the retards who defend capitalism because they think the literal sole possible alternative is Stalinism, or the retards who unironically defend Stalinism on that same basis.
>>151737667>direct democracyunless people start to only work half a day it's impossible to assume Everybody has to do the whole politics work in addition of their regular activities>direct worker management of factories there is no model where this can work, ever. you will obey a hierarchy no matter what, the guy running the forklift has other shit to think about than how to deliver the products or how to improve the microelecrtonics in the machines.
>>151735687What kind of moron thinks Snowball is Lenin rather than Trotsky? You fucking pseud
>>151737397>Britain starved 3.8 million people in India through deliberate neglect, inflation, and the extraction of resources for troops.You disgusting brown moron. That pathetic self-victimization doesn't work outside of Bluesky any more. Read Amartya Sen on the actual economic causes of the famine in India
>>151735102>Why do you think the solution to saving the worker from those that have accumulated all the wealth is to accumulate all the wealth to the state?First of all, the idea that The State™ should not have any involvement in the economy is extremely arbitrary. Singapore is one of the most advanced countries in the world, and their economic policy is heavily state-driven, for example. Also, no actual leftist thinks, say, the US government as it currently exists should be planning any economies; no ideology will save you from bureaucratic rot, not even ones that want to eliminate the government entirely (since they're retarded).Some commies still want an old fashioned Soviet bureaucratic hell, but not all of them. Modern tech eliminates much of the practical need for rigid central planning.That said, none of this really matters until capitalism finally shits its last bed, and by the time that happens we will probably have better-developed post-capitalist theory.
>>151735370Ai slop, go back to India pajeet
When did /co/ become /pol/
Orwell was a democratic socialist writing a very obvious direct parody of the rise of Bolshevism and how totalitarians fucked up what he saw as a positive movement for workers. Any other reading, from "Communism bad" to "Akshully he hated fascists specifically" is just failing 5th grade level comprehension.
>>151732816wow this thread sucks just as much as the trailer
>>151732816Animal farm always sucked because the anti-Stalinist perspective it trys to convey is built on a false premise to begin with. It's a metaphor based on a false narative. The vast majority of evils that people associate with the Soviet Union actually came after Stalin when the elite body he was trying to supress finally took power with his death and a lot of his history came from Trotsky himself who was a literal contact of the SD that helped setup nationalist paramilitaries.So having faith in any form of adaptation is a ludicrous notion, if anything Seth Rogan would elevate it.
>>151740004>leave the bloddthirsty murdering dictatorino alone you meanies!
>>151740421>doesn't dispute that Seth Rogan is an upgrade to the storyCheckmate.
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>>151737396I remember liking this film a lot as a kid, also thought it was a bit scary, not just with some of the odd looking effects, but the sadness present throughout.
Reminder that Marx believed confiscating or limiting access to firearms was only ever done by the rich to hurt the poor. Anyone who spouts pro communist arguements but believes in gun control doesn't actually believe in communism as a system.
>>151735380You get almost none of these with Communism btw.
>>151740704>Reminder that Marx believed confiscating or limiting access to firearms was only ever done by the rich to hurt the poor. Anyone who spouts pro communist arguements but believes in gun control doesn't actually believe in communism as a systeminterestingactually it's just hilarious
Capitalism has done more harm than socialism. Stop making the book as if it were a biblical prophecy
>>151740845Morons really want to repeat the lies they were taught in school. American education is trash.
>>151732876>Source: My ass>Orwell admired the USSRNo he fuckin didn't. This is literally Orwellian revisionism of History in the very guise he despised of. Commies are some of the most insidious freaks ever.>the minute Hitler invaded PolandHey faggot, the USSR/Russia invaded Poland a week later and did joint operations before and leading up to the invasion with Hitler. Hitler and Stalin made pacts before the war started and both were committed to the full invasion of Europe. Before Hitler backstabbed USSR/Russia of Operation Barbarossa.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_PolandThe only reason commies aren't lambasted over this was because of Cold War fuckery trying to hide their own atrocities like the Gulag Archipelago behind the Iron Curtain and the fact they teamed up with Hitler and ethnically cleansed the Polish with the help of the Nazis, and then carved said Poland in half. Russia was NEVER good during it's commie phase leading up WW2 and beyond into modernity. They only slightly redeemed themselves when they fought back the Nazis, but that was moreso because Hitler was on Moscow's doorstep and the Allies dropped an absolute fuckload of munitions and resources so Russia could push them back. If the Allies didn't give them anything, Moscow and Russia would've fallen. AKA, the capitalists saved Russia's ass. Then, said Russia, invaded and annexed Crimea and now Ukraine, but somehow smooth brain psuedo-commies still hump after their dystopian fever dream of Marxism and Stalinism, despite NEVER working anywhere. Commies should be treated with as much disdain as the fascists were, if not more, to shame that entire shithole of an ideology back into Marx's deranged pauper economic religion of a graveyard.
>>151740004Are you retarded? Animal Farm came out in 1945. It was never intended to show "the vast majority of evils that people associate with the Soviet Union." It does what it does very simply and very well.
>>151735380>Food, shelter, medicine, water, electricityPeople lost access to those every time communism was tried, dipshit.
>>151735303>Making something a universal right makes it *much* harder to end.Lol, LMAO even.>but the government isn't some shadowy (~~~) entityThey all are, even the commies, once you realize the convergence of power and resources draws psychopaths and control freaks like moths to a flame, maybe your starry eyes for a mega-state will evaporate. It's why giving ultimate power to the state is always a bad bet. Especially disarming said populace, which Western Wokie-Liberal psuedo-Commies LOVE to push.>"A rising tide raises all ships" That's dependent on the fact that the ships are all in tip-top shape. Which, much like people, they aren't. People aren't ships. people use their resources differently from one another, and people's life situations vary wildly from one another as well. You can only auto-correct life, stupidity and incompetence on a universal state scale up to a point before you just go full on totalitarian and then the question becomes what is more important, safety or freedom. The Classical Liberal West already figured this out, it's somewhere in the middle with a capitalist economy and with a social safety net, and then comes the question of how encompassing the social safety net should be.
>>151740896It's a good thing that you've mentioned modern Russia. Dissident rightists have swallowed the propaganda that it did a complete 180 since 1991, but essentially the USSR is a zombie empire, it's just that they're no longer dedicated to communist ideology.
