2026 soon. This is still the most godawful piece of shit to ever come into existence.There are barely any pieces of media I'd like to see erased from planet earth. Generally speaking I take the good with the bad. This is one of the exceptions. This thing and its spinoffs is a net negative for humanity and in a perfect world would be internationally banned.
>>151740759Nah it’s really good. I want to fuck Nifty.
I also like Hazbin Hotel. It's a hell of a time! lol!
>>151740801It's full of bad writing and holes. Charlie is one of the worst protagonists ever. Maybe if they focused less on Gays being Gay and more on her development things would be better. Season 2 is over and she still doesn't realize she is in hell and that the people she wants to redeem are in hell for a reason.
>>151740759ngl I like it
>>151740992It feels more like the heaven plotlines have more going on.
>>151740992if you want quality then go to the fanfics.they often are above the show in quality terms.
>>151740759If this shit came out at the height of tumblr culture and popularity it would probably have been a colossal cultural phenomenon. It still did very good, but it really feels as if it missed its time by a decade
>>151740759It's really fucking dumb and if you enjoy it your a nigger faggot
>>151740759It's zoomer slop, what did you expect?
>>151740759I..Agree!
>>151742140it depends really.it would have to compete with 2010 shows and be just among them.
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The spirit bomb has done immeasurable damage to the state of fiction, it's too clean a narrative shortcut. That ending was dogshit.Emily should have died in the process of getting rid of the Lazer, it would have sold her message better.
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>>151742140True. But I feel that can be said for a lot of shows. Most things would have probably been more successful pre-streaming
>>151742242it can still be fixed if emily finds out adam is her dad and always kept watch behind the scenes while making sure she is safe.
There's nothing wrong with the show, it's a fun musical.
>>151742242I love campy shit like power of frenship and the song was good too. Also the show never was that strong narratively. Reminder than season 1 ended with Lucifer just solving the conflict and beating Adam up and there not being a single reason he couldn't just have done that all along if Charlie had just asked him to.
I like how they just CareBear stared at the end of the season, something that was never indicated any of the could do before then. Gigantic fucking asspull
>>151740759Season 1 was excellent subversive satireSeason 2 was subverted garbage
>>151740759THANK YOU. This and Digital Circus or whatever the fuck are a blight on animation. How the fuck do people like this shit.
>>151742453Emily made the same shield Sera did midway through the season. The others were just extra magic batteries.
>>151742460S2 was great though
>>151742598Not even at all, but not because the writers didnt have good material to work with. The TV demon teaming up with the jew demon to use the angel demon to attack heaven should have been a great story but they fumbled the delivery.
>>151742460This. >heaven is actually evil>gay/LGBT sinners are actually the good guys >Lucifer himself saves the dayIt was pure subversive kino. S2 meanwhile retconned the whole “heaven is evil” thing and also introduced a bunch of weird toxic gay subplots while also humanizing characters like Valentino.
>>151743788>retconnedIf I learned something from my too long experience on /a/ is that this term used as a "I don't like it" surrogate is a sure way to detect a retard. Here's no different. Jesus fucking Christ, dictionaries are right there if you don't know what a word means
>>151743317>jew demonah nvm you're that schizo
>>151742460>>151743788Have fun with this bastard child raining on your parade. Happy subversions.
>>151740992It's like a battle harem or a rom-com: nobody is there for the MC. What she thinks or believes is not important. She's just there to give the characters people care about something to work around. Wasting time developing her instead of the Gays being Gay moments people actually enjoy is the worst thing the show could do.
>>151743788>heaven is actually evil>gay/LGBT sinners are actually the good guysyour retarded ass didn't even watch the show, who are you even trying to fool?
>>151744108In Season 1 almost all of heaven supports the exterminations. The exterminators are explicitly evil and unsympathetic. Meanwhile the largely LGBT residents of the Hotel are portrayed as being objectively good and worthy of redemption. It’s not that hard to understand the social commentary here.
>>151744004Charlie is basically the story vehicle for Adam, Vox, Eve, and Alastor to use.
>>151742432Friendship beam/spirit bomb is peak cheesy fun.I think the real irony is the Spirit bomb has failed as a finishing move the majority of times its been used at this point.
Vox should have won.
>>151740759>the most godawful piece of shit to ever come into existenceYou are either underage or a melodramatic faggot.
>>151744130>In Season 1 almost all of heaven supports the exterminations.In Season 1, only 1 person outside the exterminators themselves know about the exterminations.
>>151744223Don't tell him...
>>151744004>Gays being Gay moments people actually enjoyOnly mentally ill freaks enjoy homosexual anything.
this show appeal is that every dialogue sounds like an autistic discord server. the main draw is for uatistic faggots 2 b like "wow this is what I sound like irl with my friends" and so only gay autistic faggots watch this shit
How hated would season 2 Charlie be by fans if she was a man?
>>151744672the most hatefully despised being in existence and main femboy icon for most degenerates.
>>151744108Heaven is not evil but retarded, just like the dumbass writers, and Vivzie of course
>>151742120well, give us some examples then
>>151742242Emily is a seraph her jobbing makes no sense, Viv is just a horrible writer
>>151745508How much do you lift, anon?
Emily is going to be a crying fallen angel soon.I bet it will be Abel that causes it.
>>151740759hazbin hotel is bad because vivzie can't write for shitthat's why the goose has an advantage since a story requires good writing skills, and vivzie has like negative skill
I can't get into it, it just keeps doing that BULLSHIT, where you establish one side character is powerful (Alastard) and then that one acknowledges (sometimes just throats in public) the other dozen faggots. It's terrible writing.How is it that there's been 30+ of anime dominance in entertainment, where they have the antagonist/evil council member/enemy of the week introduction nailed down to a T and millenial "girl" Viralpoop can't even conceive of not piling on new nobodies that get either throated by previous characters or just being disrespectful to show they're SERIOUS BUSINESS??? It sucks.
>>151742140The former tumblrinas turned Bluesky crowd hate it most of all.The best way to appeal to that crowd is by not going out of your way to do so and letting them project a million headcanons. If you directly appeal to them, they'll have a million arbitrary unwritten rules they expect you follow because they're addicted to being offended. Remember the SU fandom?
>>151740992I think the show just needs to figure out what the hell it wants its thesis around redemption to be.>"Can a murderer be redeemed?">Charlie is le shockedJesus mother of fuck, are you telling me Charlie did not consider that redeeming people in hell included murderers? She explicitly mentioned "hatchet wielding maniacs" in the pilot.
>>151746640It feels like this show has too many writers who simply don't talk to each other.
What's even the weight of murder in a setting with confirmed afterlife? lmao
>>151740992>Season 2 is over and she still doesn't realize she is in hell and that the people she wants to redeem are in hell for a reason.Charlie is hopelessly naive. Its quite telling that the only person in Hell who likes her is actually just an Angel who was left behind during an extermination. Go make friends with actual sinners you fraud.
I don't understand the absolute seethe for this show. I thought it was pretty good. It's very girly, yeah, but Viv has her own vision and it's animated and done pretty well in my opinion. I'd argue it's better than any other cartoon right now. It's the only show that feels like it gives a shit to try anything, it doesn't succeed at every story but it's always entertaining and the characters are interesting.
>>151746640Charlie is supposed to be super mega sheltered.
>>151746902It's popular and also gay and both these things require extra backlash towards an otherwise "fine" series.
>>151746902>It's very girlyYou just answered your own question.
>>151746399>anime>they have the antagonist/evil council member/enemy of the week introduction nailed down to a Tlollmao even
>>151746918The gay slut angle is not the problem. You're trying to fit it in there to hide behind it.
>>151746938I am saying they have it figured out. It's not spectacular, but it's there. Everyone knows how it works, more or less. What does voledrop employ? Does she have any concept of structuring shit at all?
>>151746911I feel like that only goes so far. Like, we are talking the very simple concept of killing another human being which Charlie already knows about.If nothing else, she's met Nifty, a character who very clearly has some kind of violence streak and bloodlust.In the pilot, Charlie's motivations stemmed partially from on some level, having personally seen that the denizens of hell had good in them and her naivety stretched to not knowing the complexity of the human condition and not considering the idea that some people had no true intention of change.
>>151746824It is so heavy that even failing to prevent the murder of another can get you sent straight to hell.
>>151747217I don't mean conventional morality slapped onto the mechanics, but actual ethics
>>151746640what if charlie just assumed Angel's sin was sucking dicks and she was surprised by just how much worse it was?nah, it's definitely the write-tards
>>151740759Isn’t it written by a tumblr girl?
>>151747510That scene has a much worse problem though. The dramatic reveal lasts for all of five seconds before we're immediately spoon fed the fact that Angel's kill was his own abusive father. The show legit could not trust the audience to grapple with the idea that Angel may have been a genuinely bad person before spoonfeeding us the information meant to make us instantly forgive him.
>>151747582Yeah “abuse” seems to be the ultimate evil according to the audience of shit show. It’s why many of them unironically believe that Valentino is more evil than Alastor, a serial killing cannibal.
>>151740759>>151740759im gonna come out and say it, pic related is pretty based
>>151747666My point was that the character who was literally a fucking gangster during prohibition can't just have done shit that gangsters did during prohibition.I've heard that would be a recycle of Moxxie but come on. Make him somebody who was down on his luck, pressured into different things, and got caught up in the adrenaline of a firefight.Fuck, say his abusive boyfriend pressured him if you have to.Why is a show about sinners in hell seeking redemption playing everything extremely safe? Why is every fucking "redemptive" character written in a way meant to make me say they were never REALLY a bad person to begin with?What's the actual goddamn point? It's so fucking boring.
>>151747896He still is a gangster but smuggling substances didn’t send him to hell (since vices like homosexuality and drug use are not sins according to Vivziepop.) His dad is heavily implied to be the only person he actually killed.
>>151747931>His dad is heavily implied to be the only person he actually killed.Which is my fucking point. Turf wars, debt collection.Hell, you know what? Just say that one person he was recovering from alcoholism, he pressures that guy into buying, that guy dies due to a drunken accident. Pressuring someone to relapse Andy Dick style because he was desperate to prove himself to his dad or his superiors or whatever and it ends badly.Just.. something that would actually require me to hold him to a standard of needing to redeem himself.But we can't do that because Vivzie doesn't want us thinking badly about spider wooby and doesn't trust us to follow that kind of redemption arc.
>>151748021So far murder is the only sin that is confirmed to get you sent to hell. I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing since otherwise it makes heaven seem overly harsh and judge-y. Perhaps we will get some more nuance in s3
>>151748021From a pure writing standpoint it's just better to have one big sin to redeem than a bunch of small stuff.
>>151740759>This is still the most godawful piece of shit to ever come into existence.That's not Steven Universe.
>>151748201I'd agree if not for the fact that we have already been spoonfed the fact that his victim was his abusive father. Let me sum it up. In-universe. Redemption is confirmed possible, we're clear on that.But let's talk theme. It isn't simply that Pentius and Angel didn't commit serious crimes but that their backstories are intrinsically designed to be forgiven from the get-go.Redemption is canon to the universe but the actual theme is tapdanced around because none of the characters in the hotel are actually presented to us as people who did anything that would let the audience condemn them enough to need redemption. Like, I'm gonna hedge my bets, Angel's dad is gonna be an unrepentant psycho with little to no good side to him mirroring Valentino. He's gonna be someone the audience won't blame Angel for killing to begin with.
