Was the Disney dark age actually *that* bad?
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>>151763094if this is what they call the 'dark age' what the fuck do we call where we are now
>>151763094Disney renaissance was the dark age actually. Seriously, some of the worst layouts you'll ever see in animation there.
>>151763429Not true (except Little Mermaid)
>>151763209The smug fox stare
>>151763094this happy bastard gets to fuck maid marian every night
I’ve grown to dislike the sketchy linework of the Xerox period, it just looks sloppy compared to anything Disney made in the 30’s and 40’s.
>>151763094Honestly yeah. I mean let's look at it objectively>Jungle BookOkay>The AristocatsShit>Robin HoodOkay>Winnie the PoohA stiched together film made of shorts>the RescuersBoring>Fox and the HoundDecent>the black cauldronBad>The great mouse detectiveGreat>Oliver and CompanySlopTwo good films over the course of nearly 3 decades is pretty fucking bad.
>>151763429The Renaissance is overrated IMO, the only good films from that era were The Lion King, Hercules, Mulan, and The Little Mermaid, the latter film is really good but it’s what Disney built its formulaic ass structure around, Aladdin is the proto-Shrek with its meta humor and celebrity VAs and shit and Pocahontas is an ugly attempt at stylized realism. Disneys last two great films were Lilo & Stitch, a film which I like for how it managed to set itself apart from Disneys house style, and The Emperors New Groove, a great example on how to do a wacky comedy film correctly. Tangled and everything after it is nothing but snarky CGI slop.I also hate how people act like Disneys renaissance films are better than their earliest ones like Snow White, Pinocchio, and Fantasia, those films are high artistic masterpieces on par with Citizen Kane and people just dismiss them as dated slop, which I feel plays into why people don’t take animation seriously as a medium.
>>1517635132 decades tard, learn to count
>>151763531Beauty and the Beast is unironically Disney's best film apart from Fantasia. It is the perfect princess film and no other Disney film nails it better than B&B
>>151763541I thought Jungle Book released in 64 and Oliver released in 88 give me a break.
>>151763513jungle book, artistocats, and robin hood are top tier classicsbear neccesities and the hampster dance song from robin hood are some of disneys most iconic songs
>>151763409Ever seen the movie Threads? Specifically the last ten or so minutes where the next generation of children born after the nuclear war are all retarded and feral and giving birth to dead and deformed babies? Kinda like that.
>>151763484All while Little John fucks him, sandwich-style. Truly the best of both worlds.
>>151763453You get stuff that looks okay, then you are hit with layouts that look like they were drawn by a child and you wonder what happened. Because multiplane shots were expertly done in the 40s and 50s with cels and a big annoying camera setup, yet these guys had computers and have no idea what the fuck they are doing.
>>151763531Bambi needs to be included in the golden age category. It's the film that Disney wanted to make right after Snow White. People unfairly judge Bambi because they wanted it to be a dull Lion King clone, but that isn't what they were aiming for in the 1940s. It's more like Brahms and Wagner with deers. It's heavily inspired by ballet and opera, hence why they made it after Fantasia
>>151763531Go back to bed, John.
>>151763584Quest for Camelot has a great soundtrack, doesn't change the fact its still a bad film. A film can't be good just because it does a single aspect very well.
>>151763409The "corporate era" I like to call it, the content made by Disney as well as every other media conglomerate sucks these days due to monopolization, every Disney film post-Moana has sucked due to how they basically rush films out now without giving them enough time to be good, Encanto was overrated and Zootopia 2 was a fluke. Should also be worth noting that Disneys also shitting out live action remakes and fucking up Star Wars and the MCU, and reminder that I said every fucking studio and medium is experiencing a slump. The only way I can see Hollywood improving is if antitrust laws come into affect and conglomerate companies are forced to break up.
>>151763555B&B is good but it's also the most Disney Princess™ movie, every princess movie after it is a copy. I appreciate Cinderella more because, outside of the funny animals stuff, it was a more grounded story.I agree with >>151763531, I feel the Disney Renaissance held Westrern animation as an art-form back; it became the blueprint for all feature animation and, because it was an intentional throwback to golden age animation and contemporary musicals, set back the kind of subject matter feature animation could tackle.
>>151763730>Encanto was overratedOh, so you're just an idiot.
>>151763761it was. remember that month or so when the internet was explosing with people pretending we don't talk about bruno was the greatest piece of music disney ever composed, and it immediately stopped and no one cares?very natural.
>>151763094Yes. Notice how the only famous element from that era is the character Merlin from Sword in the Stone. It's the ONLY character who is universally beloved from that era. Unless you count Marie from Aristocats selling merchandise but no one actually gives a damn about any of the shitty characters from Aristocats especially in general Disney media.The Disney Dark Era churned out the worst things Disney has ever made that aren't considered good at all. The movies looked rougher and cheaper due to lack of budget and the actual content itself is not good. The only compliment you can give to Disney's Dark Era movies is they were better than say Don Bluth's Dark Era movies or Dreamwork's bad movies. But being watchable doesn't mean a thing if people you know would still prefer to watch anything else. And I would make the argument that Disney's Dark Era actually started with movies like Peter Pan, Alice in Wonderland, and Cinderella. Such horrible stories of such low quality.
>>151763730>Encanto was overratedEncanto is worse than overrated, it's genuinely an awful movie about excusing abusive members of your family. Same with Coco by Pixar. And frankly fuck all these horrible movies about subverted horrible morals and I blame Disney's Frozen for starting this trend, Elsa had no business pretending she was a good ruler as she showed no talent for protecting her people in fact her talent is ENDANGERING her citizens and then she sang a song about how much she doesn't give a damn Let The Storm Rage On! Elsa is the beginning of this entire trash spam for terrible morals.
>>151763761>>151763792I view Encanto the same way I view Frozen and We Don’t Talk About Bruno the same way I view Let it Go, it’s a film that’s annoying and pandering to theater kids and the more you hear a child singing that hit song from it the more you realize that film wasn’t all that good in the first place.
>>151763209I want to hug Robin.
>>151763409We are in the Low Quality Shit Always Sells age. A movie doesn't need to be good to make big bucks. And I don't mean Disney exclusively. Look at stupid shit like Ice Age sequels BEFORE Disney bought Blue Sky Animation Studios or how about the entire Despicable Me/The Minions franchise. Brainless stupid trash shit and it sells BILLIONS in profit and merchandise.We are enduring horrible times because normies are shit for brains. And if you don't believe look at the success of shitty movies like Zootopia 2 and even Seth Rogen Ninja Turtles. Normies must be killed.
>>151763620Sauce?
>>151763730Never going to happen and you forgot the other thing, idiot normies brainlessly buying into anything for the sake of spending their money on it.Never underestimate Stupid Customers.
>>151763453Little Mermaid is a horrible movie that teaches horrible morals and if your daughter likes Ariel and sees her as a role model beat your daughter with brass knuckles until she's disfigured and bloody. Ariel is a retarded bitch.
>>151764094Kingdom Hearts has plenty of stupid customers.
>>151764119You got issues
>>151763999even let it go had more media presence and staying power than we don't talk about bruno
>>151763555Seriously? I hated Beauty and the Beast because I hated how self important and annoying Belle was. When I grew older and saw people praising Belle as strong and intelligent I hated the movie more. Belle reads romance fantasy fluff that's not intelligent anything at all. And strong? She doesn't do anything except have reality bend to her will because Disney is a shitty Pro Female corporation. Beauty and the Beast is such a shitty movie and awful story.Never liked how the Beast got punished through no fault of his own. He was a kid why would he allow a literal scary looking haggard witch hag in his home? Stranger Danger anyone? Except the danger was quite real.
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>>151764263>Disney is a shitty Pro Female corporationThis is why all of Disneys post-Little Mermaid princess films feel so formulaic to me, princess films from before then were just simply fairy tale adaptations, but the princess films Disneys renaissance-onwards era were just that same formula regurgitated mostly made with heavily girly marketing and merch/tous in mind. Like Disney did try to appeal to boys in the past with stuff like the space-themed stuff at Disney parks but the renaissance to now is primarily girly shit marketed towards them.Spumdonor actually made a pretty good series going in depth on how Disney essentially brainwashed a generation and part 2 and 3 go into great detail on how Disney is basically a girls brand.https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLO5N5pCoqlBaHLiRrOSFmdkmk2OFYDGwg
>>151763990>Coco is about excusing abusive members of your familyNibba what?
>>151764968Grandma literally destroying her grandson's guitar and no one standing up to the cunt.
>>151763620>pic
>>151764263>Belle>Self important and annoying I'm sorry what? Did you even watch the movie? She literally gives herself up to imprisonment to save her father. There is not a single time she is self important>She sings about wanting moreYeah so? She lives in a town where literally everyone thinks shes some weirdo and only stomach her because she's pretty. The town hero only wants to be with her because every says she's hot. She loves her dad and everyone thinks he's some sort of mental case. Hell one of the few people to treat her with any modicom of respect is the book keeper and she shows nothing but respect to him. She shows endless support to her father despite the world being against him and pleas with beast to let her save his life when she could have a life a luxary with the Beast. She gets attacked by wolves, has every chance to escape the beast and leave him for dead and she decides to nurse him back to health. There is no conceivable way Belle can be considered self important.>Never liked how the Beast got punished through no fault of his own.He was clearly an asshole based on how he treated his servants who were equally cursed and showed no remorse for them being cursed as well. That's the entire point of the story. His entire arc is becoming a better person. This is like being upset that Simba is "being forced" to leave his carefree life in the Jungle and take responsibility and be King.>>151764574>were just that same formula regurgitated mostly made with heavily girly marketingI noticed you had to specify "princess films" when Disney made plenty of boy centric animated features during the Renaissance and onward. Lion King, Hercules, Tarzan, Atlantis, Treasure Planet. Even the other Princess films have a lot of added elements to make them more appealing to boys, Tangled got a dashing male lead and a name change to appeal to boys. Aladdin is anything but girly. I swear people will just ignore anything that runs contrary to their world view
>>151765090>Tangled got a dashing male leadNo boy who looks at Eugene will say "I want to be that loser who every single bad thing happens to him and only gets the chick due to Bad Writing!" Disney's male characters are universally extremely lame. Aladdin is the only exception. And don't bother mentioning Sleeping Beauty because the Good Faeries are the true heroines who killed Maleficent.
>>151763094If this was a “dark age” of animation then what the fuck are we living in now?
>>151764574News flash: Disney never wrote an ultimatum or vision statement saying that they wanted to make dozens of princess films. The first feature-length film that Disney made was a princess film, but this is simply a neutral observation. It's incidental. The film releases that immediately followed Snow White, didn't have princesses, they were a variety of adaptations and original content. The reason why Disney made Cinderella is because the company was struggling after WW2, and they saw the idea of making a light thematic clone of their most-famous film to be the safest gamble. Because Snow White was still Disney's biggest hit, and one of the biggest film hits in general. So, Cinderella was created to save the company, and it worked. Even still, the Silver Age went straight back to adaptations and original works. There is another outlier in the 1950's, Sleeping Beauty. But if you read stuff about that film, it seems obvious (to me, at least) that it was supposed to be the final princess film, where they really tried to make something big. Before the Renaissance, there were only 3 princess films, and Snow White was the only one that was truly original and profound. The people that helmed the Renaissance films were all born after Snow White. They're the later generation. The attempt to emulate "old Disney" is done to create a sense of legitimacy and authenticity, but it's not necessarily accurate.
>>151763531>>Aladdin is the proto-Shrek with its meta humor and celebrity VAs>>The Emperors New Groove, a great example on how to do a wacky comedy film correctly.These two statements contradict eachother, as both have meta humor and celebrity VAs. Also, the production process on ENG's attempt to salvage a scrapped project was so bad that Disney attenpted to bury the full making of documentary "The Sweatshop" because of how bad it made the company look.
Beauty and the Beast just feels like it's up its own ass way too much. It's cringe.>Haha look it's reused animation of Bambi's mom, just like Jungle Book>Haha look it's the Wilhelm Scream. An in-joke invented by other filmmakers and not us>Haha look it's reused animation of Sleeping Beauty's dance scene. For some reason>Oh libs are complaining the Disney is American imperialist because they don't understand fairy tales? Well let's make the characters say bonjour bonjour, that'll teach em!>Oh libs are complaining that females don't have lore dumps that explains their hobbies because they're made by sexists? How about she likes reading? Wow it's 20x better than the old shit now!>Gaston. Because the common tale being a magic love story was too boring, let's invent some meathead antagonist that shows men can be assholes because the Beast doesn't do that already
>>151765202You never watched Tangled did you? I mean why else did you blatantly lie?
>>151765484Holy shit there is not a single accurate criticism in this fucking list. If you wanted to bitch about a Disney film up its own ass you have Pocahontas right there.
>>151763620Bisex kino.Canon married couples getting a man to fuck the husband is always hot. Especially if the woman cheers them on. Or joins in.
Hugging Robin...
>>151763409La luz extinguido age...
Furries must DIE
>>151766979 (me)I'm trans btw in case you were wondering
>>151763531>Citizen Kane
>>151768353Respect your elders bub, Disneys golden age films are masterpieces that helped shape animation as a medium everywhere.
>>151769269NTA but Citizen Kane is shit. The only thing that it actually has going for it is cinematography and that doesn't make up for a shit plot and shit actint. Casablanca is superior in everyway
>>151763531Reminder that on Letterboxd Snow White has a 3.4 while Tangled has a 4.0, fuck zoomers
>>151770822Handsome fox.
>>151763409"Down below hell."
>>151763730Bob Igers leaving Disney next year, wonder if that will change anything?
>>151771519For the worse maybe
>>151769314Wrong.>>151769964All online rating sites are garbage. Rating art in general is an anti-intellectual insult.
>>151763409Vantablack age
>>151763094It caused a lot of employees to leave in disgust over how bad things have gone.
>>151763531Pretty sure it was the whole Little Mermaid -> Beauty and the Beast -> Aladdin -> Lion King thing that did it. That made all the money and are still the major movies referenced in all things forever. The whole "Renaissance" fell apart when Pocahontas was kind of bad, and for some reason Disney thought kids would want to watch magical adventures of the hunchback of notre dame. What the fuck were they thinking with that one?
>>151763531It was a huge combination of all things Disney. They were doing well in all areas of entertainment at the same time so Disney was saturating all levels of the market.Late 80s to early 90s was also the time of the Disney Afternoon so there was a large amount of higher quality content on tv along with the films that were successful for the first time in a decade. Then also this is when Hollywood Studios and Disneyland Paris opened up. And this was the first time they moved into video games with lots of NES and SNES games based on the Disney Afternoon shows and films.
>>151763513Even Robin Hood really watches like a series of shorts stitched together into a film. There is not a complete narrative, it's several short stories for various adventures.
>>151763958Sword in the Stone is just....not a good movie at all. Anyone wanting to watch some Disney Magical adventures of King Arthur were not on board to see various learning adventures when he was some orphan loser raised by Sir Ector. The movie watches more like an educational special that has some wacky parts added in.
>>151765269Most of the fairytales were the 90s renaissance. They made one in the 30s, one more in the 50s, and one in the 60s then stopped for a little over 20 years. It was the 90s when they churned out fairytale after fairytale.
Finally got around to watching Robin Hood. Very sweet and fun. I see what the Marianfags were on about.
>>151772668Another famous film came out in 1995 that made Pocahontas look dated.
>>151772668>>151772833Historic stuff is just not nearly as fun. You cannot do a lot with it because automatically loads of adult autists will scream and moan when it's not perfectly 100% accurate in every way. But even half keeping historic accuracy really kills all chances of having fun visual things like colorful costumes, magic, over the top settings and backgrounds etc. It limits and lowers what you can do for a visual medium where people are used to massively over the top stuff like everything Genie did or the huge expansive Agrabah or Atlantica. So you always sort of end up with a mostly bland looking movie, where way less, not magical and fun stuff happens, in boring locations, and everyone sort of acts normal. And it sucks because it will be compares to the huge over the top magic adventure that came before and after it.
They're so sweet together.
>>151772830It's nothing fancy, but it's fun and light hearted. I think people that came from the older generation just wanted Disney films to keep increasing the spectacle and grander.
>>151772943>>151772962Yeah Robin Hood doesn't really need to be anything more than it is, I think especially now looking back it's nice to have something so straightforward and beautiful to watch.
>>151771519Him coming on board again didn't change anything, so why would leaving change anything?
>>151763730You dress it up as "war era" and "silver age" but that stretch was also very bad for Disney. The Silver Age especially, you are severely white washing how dire that era was. Look at the date range on it, compared to the others. Golden Age is 5 yeras, War Era is 7 years, Bronze age is 7 years... but SIlver Age is 17 (SEVENTEEN) years long and they only have 7 movies to show for it. Disney was making fewer films, and they were doing poorly.
Man, no wonder people are so in love with her. She's so sweet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M11SvDtPBhA
I want this so badly.
>>151765138I love the muted colours in this film
>>151778221It's a very pretty film.
>>151772764The animal educational special is faithful to the book, but they cut all the other conflict and magical sidequests for Mim.
>>151776981sorry but she’s already taken
>>151779801>sorry but she’s already takenBy me.
>>151779801>drawing over your own wedding photo with a furry girlI wanna call him based but I can't.
>>151779583It doesn't matter how faithful it is if it was a boring nothing story to begin with. Of all the Arthur adaptations to make, why in the hell do the one that is about loser little kid Arthur long before he did anything cool that people did write and sing about for centuries? No one cares about what he did when he was 12, people care about his time as king.
>>151763792Anon, Encanto was ignored pretty hard when it first released from what i remember, i think it only really got "Popular" once it hit streaming services.Sure it wasn't outright hated like Wish was, but it was saved by streaming and THAT was when people wouldn't stop talking about the songs and "Muh generational Trauma" and what not. Calling it overrated when the good reception was that delayed is kind of a overstatement IMO, many people didn't really give it a shot until later on.
>>151763409The Coal AgeFrom this a Gem Age will arise
