>Ruins comic books forever
>>151771235>Truth exists man
Kill yourself. Stream it./thread
>>151771323If you ignore the nuances that Rorschach is a hypocrite fascist then sure he is a hero
>>151771401>If you ignore the nuances that Rorschach is a hypocrite fascist then sure he is a hero>fascistWhat does that word even mean anymore?
>>151771463That he wants a police state where superheroes can be judge jury and executioners that are above the law entirely and the only reason he's rogue is because they government won't let him he completely unmonitored like he wants
>>151771463What does 'faggot' even mean anymore? Hell, what does 'tranny' even mean anymore?
>>151771401You have to understand that there are posters here that only know about Watchmen from political twitter threads that don't actually know any of the characters other than Rorschach that was disowned by the author, so they've taken up to him
>>151771235The Bronze Age was plateauing.And something besides Crisis on Infinite Earths and Secret Wars had to define the next age besides company wide crossovers
>>151771550I just feel like it does a disservice to how well written Rorschach is as a character if you don't realize that he is extremely sympathetic while also being a massive hypocrite.
>>151771521>That he wants a police state where superheroes can be judge jury and executioners that are above the law entirely and the only reason he's rogue is because they government won't let him he completely unmonitored like he wantsWhat the Hell does that have to do with Fascism? That makes as much sense as calling him a commie.
>>151771610His only outlet where he wants to express himself publicly and that he reads is a far right newspaper so I think that shows what side if the political spectrum he leans towards
>>151771570Innovations in storytelling was enough, they didn't have to make silly superheroes gritty and extra violent.
>>1517716551) Is Fascism even Right-wing?2) You still haven't actually explained why he is Fascist.
>>151771235Eat shit, the captcha isn't filtering nearly enough idiots.
>>151771550to be fair he disowned pretty much everything he wrote for dc, said he doesn't even keep copies of the books at home anymore
>>151771833I don’t believe him, frankly.
>>151771840Who knows? We do know that he has requested to not be credited in any of the Watchmen adaptations.The last comic he wrote before retiring, Providence, began and ended with the main character's journal and manuscript getting ripped in half and thrown in a river. Providence was meant to be a reflection on his entire career as a writer. That is pretty indicative of Moore letting go of his past work.
>>151771401protip: all capes are fascist
>>151772707"Capes are fascist" is a thing fascists say to convince themselves they're not fascists
>>151772707No, not Superman...
>>151771235I don't rate Frank Miller highly.
>>151771235My comics are still on my shelf and in boxes, there's nothing wrong with them, I mean they're yellow but their old.
Comic books were ruined by FUCKING NACHOS
>At one point, he called Sin City creator Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight “a pretty sub-fascist vision,” adding that “the idea of one man, perhaps on horseback, who can sort out this mess — that’s a bit too Birth of a Nation.”
By far the worst influence of DKR was the rash of 'old superhero comes back' slop that we still can't shake to this day
>>151771521>he wants to be a vigilante legally>this makes him a fascist
>>151771323>>151771401>>151771463Rorschach literally excused the Comedian attempting rape as a "moral lapse" right in front of the daughter of the woman he tried to rape
>>151773484He wants to kill anyone he wants without anybody questioning him on it
>>151773673Yeah like a vigilante. But how does that apply to which system of government he prefers?
>>151773686I think wanting a police state and being far right puts him at fascist
>>151771401Saying the word "fascist" sure made the twitter incels on this board melt down
>>151773699How does wanting to be a vigilante mean he wants a police state? Also we don't know that he's far right.
>>151773726>lots of people disagree with me>the must be having a melt down!
>see batfag thread>batfags derail thread to speak about a flawed but superior take on the conceptwhy are batfags so insecure
>>151773726Yeah it triggers the fascist incels who think capes are fascist
>>151771235This is around the time mainstream comic books were getting good.
>>151772855>>151772825Conceptually the idea of a singular person having the power to enforce their own morality on the world is fascist anon
>>151771674The tone on itself was an innovation in narrative
>>151773982Thats to broad of a definition.
>>151773982You mean like what the "superheroes are fascist" people are doing now huh
>>151774016That’s the modern understanding of fascism for you. Anyone is a fascist if you believe hard enough anon!
>>151771235I liked it. I like it when batman is having a good time, what can I say.
>>151771235True, and eventually it lead to holly terror.
>>151773726Yeah, some people have an issue with the degradation of language. Who knew?
>>151773353Quit being a retard. Every good or profitable idea has been abused by the industry to the point of everyone and their mother being sick of it. The Dark Knight Returns is only guilty of being good.
>>151773233Isn't that the whole point of superheroes?
>>151774571The whole point of superheroes is to be positive role models.
>>151773995There were violent superhero comics before DKR, Alan Moore wrote plenty of them himself, it was just incredibly popular because it was Batman and Miller's style.
>>151771235What's wrong with it exactly?How did it ruin anything?I'm currently reading it and it seems neat to me.
>>151771401>>151771463It just means you don't vibe with a thing
>>151771235sorry wrong pic.
>>151773233Fascism is when you ride a horse
It is too late, I have already depicted myself as the chad and you as the chud
>>151775067All wrong.
>>151775204The beauty of Watchmen's narrative is how it pointedly plays up how well regarded Veidt is from appearances, but highlights later that he learned the trick early in childhood and once his colleagues hear how unhinged he really is they're all shaken from whatever impression he made before.Walter's still fucked though, but he wasn't putting his best foot forward to begin with.
>>151776188Walter didn't stand a chance at having a normal life.
>>151774571They're supposed to help the law, not be the law.
>>151771235Libs have been chasing this book for decades now and it has reached far beyond just comics. Star Wars, Logan, Cobra Kai, basically any modern story where the hero is brought back cannot be as good as this one.
>>151771902technically the last thing he wrote and published was LOEG: The Tempest, and that book was a love letter to everything comic book
>>151776770>supposedSays who? The only ones that help the law are the ones that choose to.
>>151776989>Star WarsBringing Luke back in The Last Jedi wasn't them trying to have their own TDKR moment. It was them tearing Luke down to own the predominantly male Star Wars audience out of sheer pettiness.
>>151771235Nah
>>151777629Says every wary human.
>>151777657
>>151771401How is Ozymandias not a fascist exactly?
>>151771902>spends years and hundreds of hours "researching" his book Jerusalem>it's shit and no one reads it>proceeds to call all of his past work in comics "shit" and reesMany such cases.
>>151777699Humans have no right to tell ubermench what to do.
>>151771235>>151771323Retards.
>>151775067That is a strawman. Rosarch didn't torture criminals with the idea of searching for justice but to make feel him morally superior and fix his small man complex. V didn't have a idea of what society needs to become, he left the decision to the people. He only decided to punish the government that abuse its powers.
>>151778694you think you are saying something
>>151771235Nope.
>151771401flawless bait
>>151771532Faggot = youTranny = OP
>>151778918He's very basically describing both comics, instead of misrepresenting things like that gay little beanmouth comic.
>>151778694>V didn't have a idea of what society needs to become, he left the decision to the people. He only decided to punish the government that abuse its powers.I really thought V for Vendetta like beat you over the head with that. V only being able to destroy the corrupt world but not build a new one. then you come online
>>151771532Homosexual and has severe body image issues respectively.
>>151778694>V didn't have a idea>behind this mask is an idea
>>151771235Ok, Dobson
People who interpret the Dark Knight as fascist are fucking stupid and should be laughed at.
>>151773233???That's just how you depict a guy riding a horse that looks cool, tf are you talking about.
>>151771375Spbp /thread
>>151771323>moore creates an elaborate recurring comic within a comic with the main purpose of being a metaphor for ozymandias being wrong, his actions to prevent nuclear war being compared to a delusional sailor slaughtering townsfolk he sees as evil specters. >lol libshit writer thinks liberal golden boy is 100% right
>>151780217I love psycho Batman. A dude in bat costume laughing as he beats you to bloody pulp is more terrifying than if he just talked in a gravely voice
>>151780450
>>151777759The Squid attack was a last minute attempt to save the Soviet Project instead of letting the Soviet Union collapse like in real life.
>>151780399>lol libshit writer thinks liberal golden boy is 100% rightYes.
>>151780561Writing like this is why people blew up the georgia guide stones.
>>151780217Just a reminder this strip was published in 2011. And the line of "the past 15 years" is so wrong. The most popular depiction of that Batman was TAS.
>>151775067Last time I checked I don't think V was presented as a good person
>>151780836That also doesn't describe 95% of Miller's Batman, and even the ones that it's close to (ASBAR and DKSA) it's wrong
