>Hey guys! I know you really like my show, and are super invested in its lore but Im just dropping by to tell you that all your theories are fucking wrong and nothing in the show is really important lol
>>151774924>Hey guys! I know a lot of you have built up a super specific, obvious, by-the-numbers approach to how the series will end. I haven't even started making the show, just writing it, but I know because that happens for every show - y'all basic bitches. I'm going to have it play out but then surprise you in a big dramatic character moment. Now stakes are even higher, but now anything could happen!It doesn't rule out some of that lore being true, or even some of it playing into the ending, though it does telegraph it won't be so trite. I only wish it also took on the insufferable "it HAS to be SOMA!" faggots too
>>151774924Holy based. Fuck lorefags, get a life lol
>>151774924>Hey guys! I just made an episode that was a complete waste of time and a snoozefest that hit every predictable scenario only a literal retard couldn't see coming away but it's ok because... it's a Caine episode or something and that makes shit writing and shit entertainment value ok! I might've written myself into a corner as a result of the last 2 episodes but I swear I'll pull it off and if not, you'll just have to accept my cope... I mean my reason that "LE NOTHING MATTERS!!"
>>151774924>Author wants to make a bigger than life show.>Has no idea how it should end.>No planning, hope the end will magically write itself.>Reach the end.>Realize magic writing doesn't exist.>Panic, no idea what to do next.>Improvise randomly.>It's shit.>Show ruined>Play it off as a nihilist aesopMany such cases.
>>151775404My sides.
>>151775302yeah it felt obvious caine was using what little info he had of the outside world to craft the fake adventure, I don't know why everyone immediately assumes EVERYTHING was bullshit. him
>>151775568>"There's meaning to be found in a stagnant life">nihilistUh-huh. Also, multiple episodes were written, or at least drafted, when the pilot released.
>>151775634Nihilism and Existentialism are two sides of a same coin.One say "Nothing matters and that's depressing" the other "You should be happy that nothing matters".
>>151775729They're still different enough outlooks that you can't just interchange one for another
>>151774924episode four being a slow drama about working as a wagie that ends up revealing the mask doesn't do anything should have spelled out this wasn't going to be a FNAF-esque murder mystery to anyone still clinging to that
>>151774924I must be old, because I just watch an episode when it comes out and then move on with my day. Caring about the lore of a fictional cartoon, especially one made by indie art liberals, shouldn't be that important. Adventure Time and Steven Universe really fucked up a generation...
>>151776376>show advertises lore>"why do you care about this show's lore?"
>>151775568>NihilistWow you are stupid.
>>151776376[Spoiler] Gravity Falls[/spoiler]
>>151776501Press crtl s next time.
Lorefags deserve to be mocked and their theories denied As bad as shipfags
>>151774924Good, this isn't the kind of show where the story is hidden in small details. Focus on what's laid out in front of you, the old fashioned way before the irony epidemic went global and we stopped taking anything at face value.
>>151776624That's literally what the fanbase did in the recent episode and goose had to come out and say that none of it really has any impact on the show.
>wtf my theories are wrong?>this proves the creator is a NIHILIST and a fucking HACK>there's no possible other storyline other than MY storyline
>>151776630If you're talking about the real life flashback scene, that's the opposite of what I'm suggesting. The scene taken at face value is that Jax doesn't want to go back to the real world for one reason or another, the real location of that footage is irrelevant to the story.
>>151776664its only "irrelevant" because Goose is an idiot and declared it as such, otherwise what was even the point of even showing it?
>>151774924WHo is this? Dolly Dimpley?
>>151776680It's irrelevant because the only way you could think that its location is relevant is if you think every detail has a secret meaning. What meaning could you even get from that, anyway? That TADC is set in some random town? Why would that matter?
>>151776761Why even show it? You still didnt answer the question and are just defending shitty writing by Goose
>>151775404KEK
>>151776799I answered that question. You ignored it, conveniently.
>>151776825No you didnt. I'll ask it again since you might just be a bot and not a retard- Why bother showing the real life sequence only to say its doesn't really mean anything in such a pivotal moment of the episode? Are you legitimately retarded? Yeah, no shit fans are going to interpret it as something important to Jax's background or lore relevant.
>>151775385>caring about things is le dumb lol>NOOOOO!!! YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CARE ABOUT MY TRANS GENDERQUEER TRAUMACORE CHARACTERS! BIGOT! BIGOT!goes both ways jackass
She's based
>>151776799No wonder you have trouble, with this piss-poor literacy. It's autistically searching for the exact location on google maps that doesn't matter. Like, if it was about a car accident you idiots would be theorizing about the exact model of car.
>>151775404I don't get what's so funny about this?Is it because she's trans and not a real woman?>>151775608>>151776803
>>151776864Goose explicitly stated the real life sequences didnt matter, like a fucking coward, not the Geoguessing autism nice try though, you are dismissed.
>>151776849>only to say its doesn't really mean anythingOkay, you're retarded then. No seriously, somehow you came up with an argument that I obviously didn't make.Let me repeat this clearly: The scene conveys that Jax desperately doesn't want to go back to the real world, and that in the situation where he was actually given the option to go back or not, he would rather damn the rest of the cast to living in the digital circus for eternity than do so. That is the meaning. You fucking tard.
>>151776925That's just some bs headcanon you pulled out of your ass and you are literally contradicting yourself
>>151774924As many critiques I have of TADC, Goose doing what they want with their own idea and not cow towing to the theories and whims of the fanbase is a good thing. If any of the fan theories were proven to be right then is wouldn’t be as satisfying, you’d all be complaining that it was predictable
>>151776948
>>151776948NTA but you're genuinely retarded.
>>151776395The lore was a long con by Caine. You got pranked.
>>151774924You are a tranny and the only things good that came from your series was porn and the off chance a kid actually reads I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream.
>>151774924think ill actually watch something worth my time then
>>151779375ironic jaxfaggots are also nihilists who need others to form meaning for them
W troll
>>151776871>she'sWhat race are you?
>>151776871Kill yourself
>>151776862>She
>>151774924>7 episodes of fucking nothing>3 episodes left>No character development>No reveals of any kind>Turn your chekov's gun character into a red herringThe ending's gonna be so ass be ready to be the laughing stock of this board for years to come
>>151780454Sorry you're autistic
>>151776395What are you babbling about? Not once has the show advertised lore.
>>151780578>i've never actually watched the show btw
>>151776658>THIS SERIES IS ABOUT WHAT I SAY IT'S ABOUT>AND IF IT PROVES ME WRONG THAT MEANS IT SUCKSI hope these people spend the rest of their lives miserable and confused and outraged at nothing because they refuse to pay attention to anything in their lives.
>>151776395What lore? Cite examples.
>>151780170What does calling someone by their pronouns have to do with being black? I thought it was dark skinned people who hate the west>>151780195Why are you so triggered by trannies? Seriously what significance do they have on your own life?Better yet, what significance does it have on Digital Circus? Zooble maybe cause they don't know what they are but name me one tranny made art that encouraged you to fuck your kids and chop their dicks off? That's literally not what trannies do and the trannies that DO do it are not welcomed in tranny circles, fuck off.
>>151780454I love that actuallyIf you've read, I have no mouth and I must scream that's how the story goes. It's like a tragedy where nothing goes right in the end despite everything. I thought you fuckers loved Berserk
I like that Zooble is any/all I genuinely think it's very cool
>>151774924That didn't happened
>>151780672dont ever compare this dogshit with something like Berserk.
Plotfags are unintelligent
>>151780610You created false expectations. That's on you.
>>151780753YeahI always liked the Paraphrased Twain quote "don't let the plot get in the way of a good story" Plot just exists as a mechanism or a hook. It's not actually important, especially in something explicitly based on things like Sartre's No Exit
>>151780672You gotta understand, the stuff these retards want to happen is for a character exactly like Abel to show up and lore dump. Or they want Kinger to endlessly mumble DEEP LORE secrets that they then get to pretend to be smart about when some youtuber doing a "DIGITAL CIRCUS EXPLAINED!! DARKEST CARTOON EVER!!" video essay that gets almost nothing right, predicts the end of the series incorrectly, but they can still show up and insist that they understood everything and that Goose and Glitch are hacks for changing the ending so they'd be wrong
>>151780778I set my expectations reasonably based on the contents shown in the episode like any rational person would.Sorry you have autism.
>>151780672>>151780827>Show build up themes of perseverance and the importance of connecting to others for most of it's run>Throw away all of that for a generic "AI is evil all along" story and do it in the most passive way possibleI would be upset and maybe piss/shit my pants a bit if every fucking form of media I consumed didn't pull shit like this.
>>151780893>"Sorry you have autism">Literally sperges out over "muh lore" like an autistic tardWhy are you like this? The series never promised lore. The fact that it unsubtly dropped an entire novel out of nowhere would've been even worse if it was real than fake.
>>151780713Too bad, I just did, what are you gonna do about it?>>151780937I figured the point was to make the characters suffer because people like watching characters suffer, not because Glitch hates their audience
>>151780937Are you saying I have no mouth but I must scream is a shitty story too? Because nothing matters in that story either
NOoooo my theories....
>>151780657>>151781128>>151781131Hello? Is anyone gonna answer my questions? Or do you refuse to argue with people who disagree with you?
>>151780454>3 episodes leftYou wishIt's 2 episodes left
>>151780454That's really sad if the funniest thing you've ever seen were fans of a show feeling let down and wasting their life away on a show they like regardless of how much the story turns against them. Might as well say you're wasting your time laughing at strangers online
>>151781108Is the "sperg out" in the room with us right now
What % of the fanbase do you think is expecting there to be plot development?
>>151781472Do you know how many FNAF fags cross over with TADC? And just how many of them love lorefaggotry and discussion?
>>151781472i dunno it's a super popular show and at least a third are legitimately retarded or like 12 years old who thought Jax saying "you got in my head" meant Caine quite literally mind controlled him and forced him to press the button
>>151774924Mad that your headcanon turned out to not be true?
What is about modern fandoms acting like sleuths trying to decipher the Da Vinci code?
>>151775404Third post best post.>>151776303Episode 4 was my checking out point in terms of high expectations for the series.>>151776376>I must be old, because I just watch an episode when it comes out and then move on with my dayYou sound like fun.>>151776871It's funny because it's funny. How can you not find an internet autist who gets off on the idea of using power drills funny?>>151780713Berserk is overated anyways.>>151780790>I always liked the Paraphrased Twain quote "don't let the plot get in the way of a good story"I think the key to storytelling is atmosphere and that is what made TADC so strong from the pilot, but now that atmosphere is dwindling away. The aesthetics and neurotic tension from Pomni being a fish out of water is gone and the latest episode was only able to briefly recapture that unique aesthetic with Caine's office.
>>151781571Gravity Falls syndrome and episode 1/2 appearing to lay down the foundation of an overarching narative around the existence of the circus.
>>151781573I agree that the last couple episodes were dwindling the magic a bit and not just because it focused very heavily on 1 character we still haven't got a payoff for yet. But the whole design of Caine's "office" which is more like 2 hallways really is really beautiful and I hope we see more like that.
>>151776853who are you quoting?
>>151781571Its fun.
>>151781369lol u mad XD
>>151781571bro i remember when digimon first came over and the digimon fandom had a bunch of people acting like they were seeing real digimon in real life and that you could go to the digital world fandoms have weirdos sometimes. theoryfags are pretty mild
>>151775568This. /thread.
>>151775729Finding meaning in stagnant life is literally anti-nihilism. If the show is consistent about anything is the anti-nihilism messaging even if they're stuck in a "meaningless" simulation with no exit.
>>151781729nta but isn't the whole point of nihilism is that you aknowledge life has no intrinsic purpose in order to give you the freedom to develop your own personal meaning for life?
>>151781669I'm not your bro
>>151781734Well if you go by Nietzche who was extremely anti-nihilist you still have to strive past nihilism to find meaning. The "positive" interpretation of nihilism is still a vacuum where there's no intrinsic value or meaning. If you develop your own personal meaning you're no longer a nihilist, you filled the void. In TADC Jax's desire to make everyone just play their archetype and be silly cartoon creatures is an example of nihilism. He wants to live in a way where nothing matters. Break people's things, blow things up, throw people in volcanoes it doesn't matter because nobody can die and you just reset after each "adventure" But then he's shown to also be a deeply unhappy and lost person. Completely adrift in his own nihilism. Then in contrast you have other characters finding meaning in an absurd and meaningless world where you have Gangle having a moment of self actualization while stargazing after a fake shift at a fake job looking at a fake sky but the moment is still meaningful and "real." In the most recent episode you have Zooble saying "it was all real everything we felt everything we've done everything we are it'll never leave us" because even if you're stuck in a "meaningless" existence each moment you experience lasts forever inside you.
>>151774924>theories are wrong because Cain "made it up">reference the Chinese room in the beginningHINT HINT
>>151782105qrd
gooseworx literally said that the message they want people to take away from the show was "There's meaning to be found in a stagnant life". The pilot ends with pomni getting faked out and realizing there's no escape. The only lore we will ever get is more confirmation that there is no escape for them, and they will have to accept living in the circus for the rest of their existence.
>>151774924WOAH WHAT A LE HECKIN EPIC INTERNET PUPPET MASTER!This cunt is so annoying. They will never be Toby Fox.
>>151776303the mask is manic depression. your just stupid if you dont understand that at this poit
>>151776303She should have kept it because he design with it bis better than her design without it
>>151781573>average steven universe fan
>>151774924I never even imagined that it is possible for a troonfaggot to be this based desu. Unironically tho, what was the moment when autists convinced themselves that every entertainment piece around them is a puzzle to be disassembled, catalogued and curated? Were there ever any examples of this kind of approach actually working out?
>>151782331the faggot is insane.insane people are creative.
>trans>doesn't like people looking too far into thingsIt's all starting to make sense
>>151782331>Were there ever any examples of this kind of approach actually working out?There's an entire genre of it called the Alternate Reality Game, or "unfiction" for a shorter name.
>>151781131>Because nothing matters in that story eitherNot true, Ted caring about his fellow victims and finding the inner resources to finally free them from AM by killing them even if it means that he has to take the brunt of AM's infinite hatred from then on and forever does matter in that story. Tho if Harlan Ellison found out about modern internet lorefags existing, he'd probably break down in hysterics. Then he'd sick his lawyers on every fan wiki, tvtropes page and fucking pastebin to find a way to sue them all for ever daring to even think about touching anything he ever created without paying him royalties . That's just how he rolled.
Nothing ever happens the Webshow slop
>>151782336>what if there was a show, but like, it was aware of tvtropes.org and was also aware of the viewers being aware>this is what's considered "creative" nowadays
>>151774924>the show doesn't insist upon itself enough
>>151782355Was there ever such a thing as a successful ARG? I know that GF and CP2077 had those in their marketing, and that those who did participated found them ultimately disappointing.
Well that's one way to kill a franchise
>>151782412I Love Bees, the Halo 2 one, was pretty well regarded, I thought.
>>151782394The fake out is extremely self-congratulating and masturbatory.
>>151782393>what if there was a show, and it was aware of tvtropes.org>but it like, didn't care about those and did run on pleasing the 0,01% of the audience that happens to be on the spectrum >please call niggerman just the idea alone is driving me insane
>>151782449> self-congratulating and masturbatoryHow tho?
>>151782412Blairwitch project was the first example of one that also worked
>>151782511Everything Blair Witch after the original 1999 was a disaster though.
>>151782459>this is gonna be a character study show that focuses on human nature and won't have any kind of deep world lore>but we know the kind of audience this show will attract, we know lore speculation autism will run rampant because it always does in fandom spaces>instead of just telling the damn story we want to, regardless of viewer expectations, we're gonna dance around the idea of lore potential for many episodes to epicly trick everyone and show the world how clever we are. Any non-gay writer would have faced the expectations of deep lore by just... ignoring it. What else is there to do besides look the other way and continue doing your own thing?Well TADC's approach is to make a big show of it NOT following expectations and toss glitter in the air because it wants you to know how aware it is of everything, which is an obnoxious attitude for a story to have. It's essentially "its right behind me isn't it" snarkism taken even further.
>>151774924Mine isn't. I saw the ending coming a mile away. But I'm not gonna tell the rest of you because I wouldn't want to spoil it.
>>151781345I love people like you. Posts like these show you're a tourist and genuinely think people are waiting around just to argue with you. This isn't Discord or Reddit, el nigre.
>>151782451People like the show because its trope bingo where the viewer gets to pat themselves on the back and then sit in on the character's therapy sessions.
>>151782554Anon the content of the episode was Jax standing on the brink, Pomni and Ragatha reflecting on their relationships with everyone, and exploration of Caine's situation, with a reveal that maliciously or not he's actively violating the guests in a ways that they didn't think even possible beforehand, escalating the conflict. Which is not exactly "glitter in the air". 95% of audience are not even aware of any real or implied "big show of it NOT following expectations" because they are not autistic faggots with an archive of very important fan theories. The first place where I heard about the Beach Episode being a heckin' diversionino is here.
>>151774924Last episode all but lost me but the characters actually getting tortured this episode brought it back. Less characters sitting down and delivering extremely clunky emotional diologue and more them getting tortured please
I mean, it's called "The Amazing Digital Circus".A circus provides mindless entertainment of no real value.It was pretty obvious from the start that there'd be no real plot and whatever mystery the story has would basically just be quickly solved at the end of the last episode.They're all basically just NPCs, because the story is fiction.
>>151774924Is there a lore reason why their black animator got shot?
>>151780937AI really mindbroke artists, kek.Like how Disney mindbroke Dana.
The message of TADC, expanded and in two parts:>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6aKm-yqm1U [Embed]>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xANxNlSKYpg [Embed]I don't think this guy has seen the show, but he'd probably have a lot to say about it if he did
>>151782792Fuck it, I'm leaving it like that now
>>151782665Weren't multiple episodes already written by the time the pilot released? And didn't Goose say what the theme would be a few episodes in?
>>151775729Based retard. You're confusing Existentialism with Absurdism. Nihilism is "Nothing matters, so why bother with anything". Absurdism is "Nothing matters...." and then if you're a positive Absurdist "That's great! Wooo!" and if you're a negative Absurdist "That sucks, but it's the way it is".Absurdism is essentially Nihilism without the emo edge.
>>151774924Ah, the Rickard and Mortimer approach
>>151781359What can be done in such time? Story of Murder Drones was shorter by a single episode, but its final run towards plot resolution went through episodes 5, 6, 7 and 8.
I've only watched first three episodes, but to me, the abstraction was literally just that. Abstraction. It abstracts into whatever you want it to mean. For Kinger it was dementia in his wife. For others it is death, insanity etc. I'll get around to the rest of the episodes but if anybody thought this was going to go anywhere and have a neat story, you're retarded. Even people like Vizzie can't do that and that's their 'gimmick'.
>>151782836Yes. Gangle's VA said that, by the time pilot had been launched, VAs have already recorded 4th episode.
>>151782665>A circus provides mindless entertainment of no real value.There's value in being entertained you moronic nigger.Do you not have a soul?
>>151782836Stop asking questions bigot.
>show is based off of I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream>autistic theorists love talking about how much the show is based off of I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream>I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream features an arc that involves the cast searching for a method of escaping from their torment, or at least temporarily stopping it>it turns out that the entire search was just a cruel trick in order to psychologically torture the cast further and pushed past the breaking point, the cast turn on each other>autistic theorists are shocked that the show based off of I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream follows the same basic plot beats as I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream and start screaming about how the writer hates the fansIf the show continues to follow the story beats of I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream, then the cast will be able to use something uncovered during Episode 7 to permanently kill each other. Maybe the administrator passes have some genuine sort of power.However, it's just as likely that Goose might not go in that direction, in order to subvert viewer expectations. With only two episodes left however, the time for a conclusion is rapidly approaching and there's only so much room left for twists and turns left in this series.
>>151782937You did not read I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream
>>151782665Sooo... TADC is like >What if The Amazing World of Gumball... >...but for adults?
>"the fandom is mad over this last episode except for me because I'm smart">every single fan saying this exact thing over and overAll I've been seeing is people giggling and kicking their feet while saying "I understood it and no-one else did! I understood it and no-one else did!".Everyone who watches this show is a redditor trapped in a perpetual struggle of trying to look the most intelligent. It's Rick and Morty fandom 2.0.I stopped on episode 2. Gayest thing I've ever watched.
>>151782960Yeah lol you can tell by the way they used the word "arc" for a story that's literally 14 fucking pages.
It's incredibly how literally every episode is solely about character dynamics and yet lorefags insist on watching it thinking there's going to be some big reveal and get increasingly angry every time they don't get it.
>>151782665I mean, it's called "The Amazing Digital Circus".A circus has clowns, just like the show's viewership
>lore is... le BADWhy does 4chan believe this?
>>151783027because lore ruined Adventure Time and Regular Show
>>151781131Doesn't one guy sacrafice himself so the AI doesn't simulate hell for everyone else In that? That isn't pointless at all.
>>151783027Depends on the show. TADC is so obviously character-focused that trying to be a lore nerd for that show is dumb.
>>151782988Goddamn you hit the nail on the head.
>>151782988It's not a smart show at all. It is funny though, and it makes pseuds mad.
>>151783145The pseuds love it and are the ones bragging about not being mad.
>>151783159The pseuds are the stubborn lorefags. Most of the tens of millions of people watching it just want a funny cartoon.
>>151783027"Lore" can be a fun supplementary element that adds some more details and depth to a thing you like. There's nothing bad about it. You engage with the show by watching it. You pay a bit more attention and you get a bit more of the picture.But some people want "lore" and other background material to be the actual text of the work, while the show/novel/movie/comic book/vidya themselves are the supplementary material providing mere parts of the "lore", equal to concept arts, actor interviews, internet posts by the creators, etc. These people don't engage with the show by watching it, they engage with each other by participating in a "fandom" which is first and foremost measured by how much paraphernalia, and true or speculative information (lore) you have hoarded. They perceive the work itself as subordinate to their participation in the "fandom", and as such it's only good when it promotes the fandom activity: theory-crafting, fanfic-writing, shipping, wiki-building, etc. If a new work piece is not conductive to those activities then it's automatically bad, because the show is not about being a show, it's about maintaining the excuse for maintaining a parasocial circle centered around out-fixating people who share your fixation, and those who participate feel like the show owes them that maintenance, because otherwise they lose their only copium against loneliness and anxiety. tl:dr autists cannot watch a cartoon for a cartoon they need to build an escapism box out of it and they get mad when a cartoon is bad for building an escapism box.
>>151783027MattPat and his followers poisoned the well so now people hate lore discussion to an unreasonable level
>>151783171Lorefags aren't peuds, they're just classic idiots. Picking on them is like picking on a retarded person.Successfully being in sync with the show is what makes you a pseud because its a pseudy show just like Ricky and Morty.
>>151776395im pretty sure gooseworx has stated it’ll be a character drama show not a lore mystery show since day one
>>151783199Anime doesn't have this issue. :)
>>151782364>>151783053Considering how many people are angry that this show isn't explicitly building towards some kind of solution or happy ending, the fact that I Have No Mouth ends with nearly every character dying and one character reduced to a slug blob so he can suffer forever would probably be considered a bad story by these subhumans.
>>151783199Unironically the smartest post I've seen on /co/ in a long time.
>>151783327Yeah, no one has ever been obsessed with anime.
>>151774924I'm not even the author and that's what I said.
>>151783436Blacks like three things.Ball, guns, DBZ.
>>151783252It's not trying to be anything more than a funny cartoon with Emotions.
>>151783327Anon your kind is known to have melties and commit actual unironic an hero kys suicide when you find out that a cute fictional 2D girl could be in a committed fictional 2D relationship.
>>151780454Next episode is the finale.
>>151782988We reaching levels of imbricated imaginary boogeymen that shouldn't even be possible with this post
>>151776948Saddening. To know there are people even dumber than you.
>>151776948its called interpretation and its a really normal part of reading stories. treating a story as a vehicle to deliver lore so you can lifelessly gather it all for listicles on wookiepedia is really bizarre. plot is not king
>>151776948Holy shit nigga...
>>151781345>>151780672No idea which youtuber told you about I Have No Mouth but by the end it's a story about self sacrifice. It's also a 15 page short story just read it and form your own opinion, moron.
>>151783684
>>151782331It unironically started with Gravity Falls
>>151783327First mistake was expecting anime level story telling out of a western IP
>>151775385Do you just hate fun?
>>151784029define fun
>>151782331DHMIS did it first
>>151784049Then the show continued to lorefag harder than before.
>>151784042f is for friends who do stuff together
>>151784063U IS FOR "U AND MEEEEEEEE!"
I don't get why people are upset at "lorefags" for being upset.I don't really care about this show any more, but I can understand why the fans that still stuck with it feel they way they do. Most of the disappointment i've read isn't targeted at Goose themself- but from Episode 7 basically telling them that all the engagement and theorcrafting they did was completely pointless. Fan theories are a form of dialogue between audience and creator. This is partially why Gravity Falls and even Steven Universe were so popular. Viewers watch closely, notice patterns, connect symbols, re-watch scenes, debate clues, and invest time and imagination because the series has trained them to believe that details matter. When a story INTENTIONALLY presents clues, foreshadowing, and narrative breadcrumbs, it implicitly promises that careful attention will be rewarded after some time. So making an episode that dismisses all of that as a red herring is going to not be received well.
>>151784055That's the last episode.
>>151782937>>151780672...Are you sure you didn't read something else? It looks like the game has a similar ending so that can't be the issue.
>>151784095They only read the Useless Journey Arc of it.
>>151783530You're thinking of idol schizos.
TADC would be a lot better if it wasn't so obviously a tranny therapy session
>>151784086You're beyond retarded if you really thought this show was ever just going to have a character show up and lore-dump the true story and ending on the viewers.
>>151784139watch Popee the Performer then
>show only has a massive following due to lorefag autists >shit on them just because why is this so prevalent everywhere
>>151784086Yeah, I'm not a lorefag but the vague sense of mystery was a big part of this show to me. I had no interest in piecing clues together myself but it was still a big part of the appeal and added much needed suspense. Without it it's just... kinda eh character interactions and just enough humor to help pass the time.
>>151784174The show is carried equally by plotfags and characterfags but it’s always been a characterfag show.
>>151775302I fucking HATE the soma theory bitches. They all start acting like philosophers when people don’t like the theory >“well why would the show be worse if they were all brain scans??” Maybe because they’ve been setting up the whole “we need to escape” plot since the pilot and if it all leads to a nothingburger ending where there is no escape then the whole show will be pointless. (Take this next part with a grain of salt i’m recalling from my bad memory of soma)People also forget that SOMA worked the way it did because it took place in a dystopian setting where all humans were pretty much fucked in the real world. The digital ai world they were in was quite literally the better option in soma.
>>151784194SOMA theory sucks and so does escape. The best case scenario is No Exit.
>>151784149Why?
>>151784206Idk what the best ending would be at this rate, but the soma ending would be the worst imo. Why show me 8 episodes of characters jerking around and constantly affirming that they’re human and *different from the ai* if they all turn out to be ai in the end
>>151784086Nothing about this has has been about the Circus itself since the first episode, it's been about the characters. The time for lorefags to check out was after Episode 2, which a lot of them did, to their credit. But those keeping up with this for two years now expecting it to suddenly become a different show? That's ridiculous.
>Every time an isekai anime does go back to the real world people hate it>TADC might not do that and people hate itPeople should engage with what shows actually do instead of inventing what they should have done in their head.
>>151784230 >>151784230>Nothing about this has has been about the Circus itself since the first episodeThat is objectively false though. Did you even watch it
>>151784139Outside of one fairly tasteful scene it really isn’t that at all.
>>151784251I think the real issue is that TADC has one writer and she’s already admitted that she writes it episode-by-episode and the ending is probably gonna be shit because of it
>>151784194There's been no talk or plans of escaping between episodes 1 and 7. They gave up on it until Caine gave them false hope for one adventure.
>>151784275Uh goose said they wrote the thing ahead of time and always knew the ending.
>>151784139Quick name one scene other than the zooble/caine scene from episode 3 that makes the show a “tranny therapy session”
>>151784215Because that's never ever been the case and every attempt at playing to genre conventions and expected cliches has been subverted.>Gather the gloinks - Ended by having an abstraction monster land on the Queen>Do a mad max war rig adventure and save the kingdom - Ended by unleashing the Fudge on the candy kingdom>Go on a spooky ghost adventure - Most of the cast just had a nice tea party and nothing bad happened, while Pomni and Kinger console each other.>Run a fast food restaurant - Subverts expectations by having the entire thing being extremely mundane without any real wacky shenanigans>Suggestion box - Caine wants to prove his adventures are more fun, but the players enjoy just hanging out and doing nothing more>Guns - Everyone insists that they just want a chill adventure where they get to hang out and Caine makes them shoot each other insteadYou seeing the fucking throughline here?
>>151784285They’ve said this but then contradicted it like a million times. I think the ending has changed with every episode
>>151784194>Maybe because they’ve been setting up the whole “we need to escape” plot since the pilot and if it all leads to a nothingburger ending where there is no escape then the whole show will be pointless.The escape plot was in Episode 1 and 7 and nowhere else. You're retarded if you think the show is only about them trying to escape and not that wanting to escape permanent digital purgatory is a natural aspect of the premise, but not the plot itself.
>>151784259No episode has ever been about exploring the mystery of the circus itself.
>>151784304You're intentionally leaving out other details within those episodes that fueld lore discussion for years>Caine's obsession with the office space in the "macroverse">Circus members not being able to remember their own names and having their personalities manipulated by an AI that promised them that he can't manipulate them>C&A constantly mentioned throughout the seriesDo you not understand how someone who gets invested in this kind of details would be turned off by a character announcing "yeah all that stuff was made up and completely irrelevant"...?
>>151784284Every episode has spent an egregious amount of time affirming that there is a difference between the “humans” and the “ai” (just caine and bubble really). If the messaging of the show ends with “haha we’re all ai see we’re not that different!” Then it’ll be the most unsatisfying ending to any show ever imo. Ig i don’t really care if they escape or if we see them escape, but if theres all this time setting up chekov’s gun (stakes are high because the characters are human and not just computers that can be reset) just for it to turn out to be chekov’s water pistol (actually they are computers that can be reset), then i’m gonna be so sad.
>>151784309I don’t, the show has been very consistent on what it prioritizes and where it’s going. I’ve had my ending expectations set by episode 2.
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>>151784386The computers were established in episode 1. This means nothing.
>>151784436So you're contradicting yourself
>>151784448The episode wasn't about finding out what the computers meant. It's just a small little weird scene.
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>>151784456you said yourself that "there was no episode about the mysteries of the circus" and in this back and forth you acknowledged atleast two instances where that was case. All this is telling me that you are doubling down on this narrative that TADC never entertained any "lorefaggotry" and that fans only have themselves to blame
>>151784466You think a one-off shot of a photo of computers somehow contradicts>No episode has ever been about exploring the mystery of the circus itself.The characters don't care. You shouldn't care either.
>>151784194>>151784086>theorcrafting they did was completely pointless>the whole show will be pointless.Actual clinical neurodivergence.
>>151784491I didnt say that.
>>151784491Its my aspergers sorry
My assumption is that the big lore questions will be left with hints but no answers. In that case, you are free to speculate for yourselves and argue amongst each other.I would suspect we will get some kind of reveal that will be one last major breadcrumb for this aspect of the series.That being said the show was never about this and I doubt it will suddenly be about this in the end.
>>151784368And? What part of that tells you that a new character would jump onto the scene and lore dump the explicit story to you?
>>151784086That’s not what happened, though. Never getting answers doesn’t make theorycrafting pointless.
>>151784386This scene is explained in episode 7. Caine doesn't understand the real world, but has small glimpses of it that he can't figure out. This retroactively explains the "exit" hallway that Pomni found in Ep 1 because it was Caine trying to figure out what this place he only kinda knows would look like, how it would be laid out, and what would be outside it.
>>151784598>Never getting answers doesn’t make theorycrafting pointless.A wooden mannequin showing up and literally telling the audience at the end of the episode, does.
Goose is a terminally online troon with an active presence on Tumblr. >SHE of all creators knows that fandom faggots are worthless and the only sensible way to deal with them is to either ignore them or fuck with them deliberately.
>>151784619Good thing he was a ruse, then.
>>151784194>if it all leads to a nothingburger ending where there is no escape then the whole show will be pointless.>>If there isn't a perfect happy ending the show doesn't matterThis is what only watching cartoons for 12 year old children does to your brain
>>151784636>intentionally baiting your audience is a good thingYou people are genuinely mentally insane.
>>151784619>my one highly specific and narrow expectation was subverted, therefore there is no story and goose has lied to everyone and there are no scripts and nothing will ever happen and I've wasted my life talking about this one cartoon for 2 years that I couldn't even be bothered to understand in the first place
>>151784292Literally every Zooble scene
>>151784659Its rotted my brain to a point where i don’t want the show about humans trapped in a video game to randomly have a twist where the show turns out to not be about humans trapped in a video game at allI watch other things and am normal about them but I have to have one show to be autistic with
>>151784701Now you are just putting words in my mouth.
>>151784757But I'm not wrong, am I?
>>151784806Yes,because you clearly didnt actually read or comprehend my post.
>>151775620>>151775302Holy fuck you fags are drunk on the cope. NONE of what Caine said about the headsets and pods can be true because Pomni has already seen what the headset that got her into the circus looks like and none of what Caine described was in there. It's all bullshit.
>>151782860>episode 8 is the "Caine episode">episode 9 is an hour long wrap up
>>151784914No 9 is the climax where caine loses it and everyone realizes hes a heckin honory hooman all along and embrace him. 8 is Jax's therapy climax.
>>151784849>I can't theorycraft because one episode laughed in my face for expecting someone to show up and lore dump the "real" plotYour meaning was clear enough
>>151784954English must not be your first language
>>151782937>>151784095The game (which was written and co- designed by Ellison) has a secret "good" ending where 4 of the characters have to kill themselves, allowing whoever you choose as the sole survivor to kill the the AIs that make up AMs mind, and save a group of frozen humans that the assimilated AIs were keeping hidden. Giving them the chance to repoulate the earth.
>>151784663What’s the issue? He only made the mystery more tantalizing.
>>151785096ah, so youre pretending to be retarded
>>151785174Nope, being honest. Taking generic options off the table is exciting.
>>151784368>Caine's obsession with the office space in the "macroverse">Circus members not being able to remember their own names and having their personalities manipulated by an AI that promised them that he can't manipulate them>C&A constantly mentioned throughout the seriesnone of these are made up though
>>151785211>he's not pretendingalright gonna ignore you now
>>151785174Are you actually dense? >pictures are confirmed real but incomplete which is why Caine cant finish his "exit" level from episode one>Caine was intentionally cut off from other systems by the circus devs and is clearly salty about it>We already know Caine is a "Networking Entity" which implies that managing the circus forever was not his original purpose
>>151785230>Faces challenge to preconceived notion>*dies*No wonder the episode made you mad kek
>>151785041>>Never getting answers doesn’t make theorycrafting pointless.>A wooden mannequin showing up and literally telling the audience at the end of the episode, does.You're not very good at being witty. Stick to bitching and moaning about what a dumb faggot you are instead.
>>151785225>"None of that was true??? The C&A stuff, the pods-">"All of it a fabrication of my incredible world building skills!"
>>151785268The C&A stuff is referring to all the "evil bosses" and shoving people into pods bullshit that Abel fed them. Not that C&A doesn't exist.
I love watching contrarian idiots meltdown when you deny them the dopamine hit of getting(you)s by simply ignoring them
>>151785268I don't think C&A the company are entirely an invention of Caine. If I remember correctly, one of his "macroverse" pictures had a C&A logo in it.
A whole second season and Stocking is still sexless
>>151784220AI that's a photocopy of a human's mind is more human than an AI that doesn't think anything like a human.
>>151782412The only good one was Cicada 3301 but it turned out to be a glowie operation.
Caine doesn’t know diddly dick about what’s going on.
>>151776871The funniest thing about the trans shit is how it has brought feminists and right wing men together, I mean how do you fuck up so badly as a movement that you manage that lmao
>>151780657>What does calling someone by their pronouns have to do with being black? I thought it was dark skinned people who hate the westI think he's calling you jewish or something.
>>151774924Cool fan fragility. I don't care about your "feelings" it was a good and interesting episode. Curveballs just serve to deepen the mystery.
>>151775404The funny thing is most troons don’t get it cut off- so they’re “dysphoric” about every aspect of their body except the most male part of it because their fetish revolves around that part.
>>151784194>Maybe because they’ve been setting up the whole “we need to escape” plot since the pilot and if it all leads to a nothingburger ending where there is no escape then the whole show will be pointless.Dude you seriously can't be this dense. The only time escaping is mentionned are episode 1 and 7, episode 1 ends with Pomni realizing she's really stuck there and episode 7 ACTIVELY MOCKS THE CONCEPT. If you still think the show ends with them escaping back to the real world and having a beer together laughing about it you're fucking retarded, it's either SOMA or just never explained at this point.
I don't get how people can say Goose hates theorycrafting when the last minute or so of the last episode is a whole bunch of new stuff to craft theories about
I have brainlet fatigue
>>151784022>anime level storytelling Most anime stories are nothing but a stream of cliches, delivered in the most hamfisted and unsubtle way possible. The only reason idiots on the Internet hold anime in such high regard is because they've never read a book or experienced any story aimed at adults.
>>151786905Watch more anime
>>151786905Cartoons are the same except the cliches are either vaudeville slapstick or more recently some tumblrina’s blog. At least anime is by Otaku for Otaku.
>>151784868I don't think that part is true! I don't even particularly care. What I think is that both those people and you SOMA people are so concerned about figuring it out, and being right about where the story goes, and having shitfights with eachother that you're missing out on the damn show, the actual characters and story and meaning! And based on the episode and Gooseworx's statements (to be fair I've only heard second hand because I'm not obsessed like you all), I think she'd agree.
>>151787057Plotfags always do this anon they can’t be reasoned with.
>>151774924faggot shit>>151775404/thread
>>151775634>Uh-huh. Also, multiple episodes were written, or at least drafted, when the pilot released.i assume gooseworx at least had the ending planned out by the first episode
>>151787392Yeah, the whole thing was outlined from the start. Though the plans did change. Initially it was only supposed to be "eight episodes total" and then it got bumped up to nine. https://www.tumblr.com/gooseworx/733291854399930368/do-you-have-any-idea-for-how-many-seasonsepisodes?source=share
>>151787449>https://www.tumblr.com/gooseworx/733291854399930368/do-you-have-any-idea-for-how-many-seasonsepisodes?source=shareIt could be they decided to split a long episode or add new content.
>>151787449>>151787467didn't gooseworx explicitly say that because of the extension to nine episodes from eight we were getting a beach episode? so i suspect that it was seven and eight that were split, most of the heist plot is filler that doesn't really develop the characters
People just call anything filler now huh
>>151787080Thing is, I also love trying to theorize and intepret to try to predict the plot and check in with what others are thinking. It's the absolute vitriol and insistence with which they demand others acknowledge their "truth" that gets me. Get this, you could even end up correct, doesn't mean all of the red threads on your schizo board were really present or intentional. Doesn't mean the plot really HAD to go that way, or even that doing so was the best choice for the story! It certainly didn't mean you were justified being an obnoxious asshole to everybody for years. Like, damn, just learn to disagree. You don't have to be some sort of internet warrior.
>>151781573I think the power drills fetish is funnier than being trans>>151782558I keep on forgetting this place is filled with subhumans, I've been addicted to coming back and getting mad and feeling obligated to hate trannies and women and minorities like the rest of you fags
>>151786236Why would you want to get the chop? Neovaginas aren't anything like the real thing and only like the top 1% of surgeons are skilled enough to do the surgery without creating an abomination.
>>151784368You were baited for audience engagement in the same way that Funnybunny fags were shipbaited into buying merchandise after episode 6
Stupid sexy triangle.
>>151782125While I realize this is an anti-theory fag thread - I'll still share my theory as it sort of relates to your post. I honestly think that the headset just scanned their brains, and made copies of the players minds. The real people behind the characters have long since taken off the headset and are living stagnant lives in the real world, while the digital copies are stuck living a "stagnant" life in the circus. They can't escape because there isn't an escape.
>>151790466It seems the split in these threads is between people who think the show will acknowledge the scan theory and those think focusing on it at all is missing the point.
>>151774924NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSEWORX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>151786334I think the real answer is that we're in the "Goose makes the show purposefully bad because the fanbase sucks" route, but everyone's so high on the circlejerk that nobody has realized it yet.
>>151791760The show hasn't changed at all. It's a random adventure of the week with characters talking about their feelings and growing their relationships with one another every time.
>>151784371>Every episode has spent an egregious amount of time affirming that there is a difference between the “humans” and the “ai” (just caine and bubble really).No, only Caine has been affirming that. The show itself does the total opposite of that in episode 2 with Gummigoo.
Does anybody have a link or archive to all of Gooseworx's art involving the OCs she fetishizes both sfw and nsfw?
