You know, the further we go into the Joker being the absolute worst person in existence, the less a sympathetic take like the Killing Joke even feels like it can be canon.I can't buy this being the same dude that ate all of China for fun.
>>151780029He’s been flanderized to shit. Idk how you’d even fix him. I just want him killed off already
Da Jokah does it again! Yeah baby, Yeah!
>>151780029ye there's a reason post-crisis joker's story is multiple choice; the more rancid and bad-tasting this guy's plans get, the less you need to defend his sob story(too bad DC can't read the memo)
>>151780029How fucked up are you that you think killing joke joker deserves anything more then a fucking bullet between his eyes?
>>151780029>the Killing Joke>a sympathetic takeThe story where he shot and possibly raped Barbara Gordon to mess with her father?
>>151780029The whole point of the sequence you posted was Moore showing that Joker's persona is all an act, that's the one time Joker let's his guard down and let's Batman see the real man behind the clown before bottling it back up.
It'd be interesting to have a joker re imagined as more of a trickster than most evil guy ever slaughtering people.
>>151780029Geoff Johns already retconned Killing Joke. Everything presented in that was a self-serving recollection, he was really an abusive husband, so bad that the GCPD and Batman himself put his wife in protective custody and faked her death. That’s the secret: he’s ALWAYS known who the Joker is, and only pretends otherwise to protect his wife and son. Chip Zdarsky also reused Snyder’s Zero Year backstory where he wasn’t sympathetic at all, but the murder of the Waynes turned him into a nihilistic proto-Joker.
>>151780029DC should had retired a shit character like Joker decades ago.
>>151780029Kinda funny how they did that to Joker and then went the opposite direction for Deadshot. I wonder why, genuinely. Also I watched Strange Brain Parts video on Floyd. Did he misinterpret that excange between Deadshot and his prison cellmate? I read the lines he highlight and I could not get the same impression that Deadshor got raped by him. I know, I know, I need to read the run, but genuinely, is that youtuber tweaking?
>>151780478Pretty sure that's what Riddler is used for.
>>151780441Oh well he was only pretending.I would pretend to beat him to death with a baseball bat.
>>151780700Youre wrong.
>>151780700Tom King wrote him as an indiscriminate murderer
I don't know if it's shitty writers, artists, or editors but if The Joker doesn't feel human he's an awful waste of a characterAs pretentious as it sounds if you can't imagine The Joker being a "normal" guy who doesn't have the clown skin and all that, if he couldn't pass as a person, people aren't going to enjoy reading about him. We should almost believe the Joker is completely sane and just does what he does because he likes it
>>151780916Honestly just make every single person who has to write or edit Joker read Case Study it's his best story
>>151780916>>151780939That makes keeping joker alive after what hes done even worse. The murderous monster joker NEEDS to be killed off. Period.
>>151780916For how weird and unusual the interpretation is I'd actually say Joaquin Phoenix's gets close to thisIt's clear that this man was born to be The Joker but there is a functional man underneath and we spend most of the movie with him>>151780969No death penalty in NJ :^)
>>151780293>the author's thinly veiled fetish
Joker is just completely ruined as a character. Either take him back to campy funny character and completely remove any of the edginess, or write about someone else.
>>151781061I don't see why he can't be both.Jack Nicolson's Joker was a perfect blend of a campy crazy clown guy but also a threatening murderous mobster, they should have stuck with that instead of just making Joker pure edge.
>>151780969No kill golden goose.>But--NO! NO KILL GOOSE! NO KILL GOOSE! NO KILL GOOSE! NO KILL! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!
>>151780029>the same dude that ate all of China for fun.I wish he would do that
>>151780396This is actually the first time I've heard this reading as well. He doesn't come off as sympathetic to me. I don't know if that's just changing times or I'm just out of it
>>151782057I mean, he has a tragic backstory. And when asked to redeem himself, he simply says "It's too late for me". A pure evil monster like, say, Emperor Palpatine wouldn't reply like that. Killing Joke Joker is certainly irredeemable, but he still has sobering moments of humanity. It's very possible to be both sympathetic and irredeemable
I can't stand it when writers and fans continue the mistaken belief that The Joker is insane.HE IS NOT. THAT'S THE POINT.The reason why The Joker is Batman's greatest enemy is because The Joker is using the EXACT SAME METHODS as Batman. He's pretending to be an insane criminal to mask the fact that he's a schemer and master strategist.When Bruce Wayne first began, he failed miserably as an anonymous crimefighter because he was just a man fighting crime. The same skills, ... but the criminals were always confidant they could take him on: he was just another man. So he created the "Bat-man". Suddenly, criminals were scared of what he could do. Many in Gotham honestly believe Batman isn't HUMAN. Others believe that no matter what you do, Batman has a weapon/strategy to stop you. GODMODE VIA PREPTIME. That's how well Bruce Wayne has pulled off the "Batman" concept. Through theatrics and misdirection, Batman cannot truly be predicted.The Joker does exactly the same. By *pretending* to be insane and commiting ridiculous acts at any random interval, The Joker is *disguising* the fact that he's just another clever criminal. Every step of his plan has been carefully planned through the ingenuity of a Chess Grand Master, but he covers it with seemingly insane moments of random madness. The clothes, the behaviour, the sheer unpredictability... "You cannot predict what The Joker will do". YES YOU CAN. That's why Batman always beats him.This is why they are arch enemies. The Joker is aware of Batman's methods and works to outmanuever him. Batman also studies The Joker's actions and recognises which were feints and distractions, and which were clues to his REAL plan. A master strategist hero and master strategist villain, using the same methods of misdirection and theatricality to succeed....but no, people are all "Joker is Batman's opposite because he's truly insane, and a force of chaos lol".No. Just... no.
>>151782137Calm down, Alexis.
>>151780029The Joker is actually just evilHes not a sympathetic characterHe represents the same trite nihilism that causes people to shoot up kindergartens
>>151780029Killing Joke can't be canon because Batman choked Joker to death
>>151781207He was also murdered at the end of the movie.HintHint
>>151782100Everyone has called sob story. When they become the cause of the sob stories, the one bad day that ruined sobmany lives you fucking literally right to be considered human. HE IS A FUCKING MONSTER The fuck is wrong with you people?
