Humor me. I've been following the comic for years now, and wondering how much charactor favorability predicts feelings on other characters, positive and negative. I polled other places like the official Discord, Tumblr, Bluesky, and Patreon. It was a lot of what you'd expect based on the echo chambers on each website, with some interesing discrepancies. But I wanted to see how people felt here because I thought I'd get the most interesting opinions.https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdo6Opyjo4XL2ESLaSUrP7ggE_wzGfGDwj1nEFKP8X5cbCjrA/viewform?usp=dialogAbbey isn't here because I forgot to put him in the first poll I did, and I'm too lazy to fix it, lol.
I don't know what this comic is about. Is it about gay cats?
>>151791139NoDo not read this comic.
>>151791139It's about straight cats actually
>>151791806Ew.
>>151791139Do not read it, it is shit and all the people on the threads just have sunk cost and want to see how it ends even though we all know it will be shit.Here's BCB in a nutshell, the background is far more interesting than the comic itself:>Created by a woman with Borderline Personality Disorder.>Centers around a period when she and her current husband first met when they were teenagers over 20 years ago on an online Sonic Amy shipping forum.>Her now husband was already talking to some other chick there named Goldie and had trouble breaking things off with her despite claiming he wanted to be with the author.>The author never demanded he break up with her right then, and he couldn't get himself to do it, some months of this and Goldie ended up just deleting all her accounts.>To this day the author thinks that if Goldie didn't do that, her husband might not have chosen her and instead he just settled.>She even has a fucking annual period of mourning around the time of year this happened on.>It bears repeating they were like 14 or 15 when this shit was happening, now they're pushing 40.>Half of everything in the comic is a reflection of that, which we dubbed "Goldiemalding">And the other half is a BPD author writing a bunch of characters who are slices of BPD.>The female lead, a white cat named Lucy, is basically a self-insert of the author as it doesn't matter how abusive or mean she is to everyone around her, she's popular and universally loved, faces nearly no consequences to her actions.>Anyone who slights her(usually the male lead whose main crime is not reading her mind and knowing when no meant yes) is punished by the world itself, we have dubbed this phenomenon "Lucyspace".It's also mostly straight but the author fujobaits a lot and writes all the males like anime teen girls so they look gay as fuck.
You remember those comics she did where it showed off why Lucy liked Mike and not Abbey? I'd like to see that with Mike and some of his options. Like, what is it about Lucy that he likes at all? I guess based on recent news it might just be that she loves him and only him.
>>151791139Everyone who follows these threads is literally suffering from Stockholm's syndrome, knowing things will never get better. Why on EARTH would you want to join our ranks?
>>151792290I would try to give you a real explanation, but I think we both know it'd be copium and the real answer is just narrative contrivance.>>151792289This, but I don't think this even conveys the magnitude of it. It being shit would be forgivable if it was more entertaining, but you could replace the last 20 chapters with Lucy and Mike running repeatedly into a glass wall and I honestly wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
>>151792506I want to see what Taeshi's explanation is.
>>15179250620 years ago it kinda worked. A big part of it is Vero can be funny even now, but it's all relegated to the side content that's behind a paywall or on draw streams, while the main comic has developed into this weird ritualposting basically.
>>151793056She was funny when she used to have a shitposter's sense of humor, but the comic takes the worst parts of itself seriously and only mocks some things to lampshade how batshit nonsensical they are... and only when it doesn't make Lucy look like the crazy bitch she is.
>>151791139Cognitohazards
>>151792290Mike has a martyr complex and getting together with Lucy is his version of taking a bullet. Sure, HE'S doomed to die in the inevitable murder-suicide when one of them snaps, but at least no one else will have to suffer.
>>151793411And eldritch horrors no man should be exposed to.
>>151791092Can't decide if it's lucky or unlucky for you that you happened to do this on one of the few times the thread doesn't even reach the weekend.
>>151791092I'm curious as to what the results are thus far.
>>151793411Roseville is a strange town, full of strange people and things. You'll be one of them, sooner or later.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcD52wKrA94
>>151794379If we're talking for this poll specifically? So far, I'm seeing that 60% of people like Mike, but only 13% love him. 60% of people hate Augustus, 50% of people hate James, and only 36% of people hate David. That's interesting as the other websites hated David a lot more with the nonbinary group having the highest hate percentage for him by a significant margin, even compared to women; I couldn't tell you why. 36% of people dislike James, but only 22% of people dislike Augustus. I was surprised that only 36% of people hated Lucy, but 40% dislike her. Paulo is a lot less favored here with only 22% loving him and 36% liking him.In regards to answer predictability, then people who like Mike are generally positive towards Daisy regardless of how much they like or love him. If you like Mike you might be more neutral on Paulo, but loving Paulo tends to be a package deal with loving Mike. It goes without saying that Paulo favorability correlated to liking Mike and Daisy more. If you like Paulo you're more likely to be positive on Sue, but if you love Paulo you're more likely to be more negative on her. If you like Daisy you're a lot more likely to feel negatively towards Lucy and Sandy compared to those who love Daisy, which is different from other websites where loving Daisy usually correlated with more neutrality, or positivity with Sandy and Lucy. It seems those who like or love Daisy are completely neutral on Sue which I didn't see on other websites either. If you like Sandy you generally won't like Lucy or Augustus, but you probably will favor Daisy, Mike, or Paulo. If you hate James you're less likely to feel good on Paulo compared to those who just dislike him. I think it goes without saying positive feelings on Mike correlates to negative feelings on Lucy. If you're indifferent to Sandy you're more likely to have a stronger hatred of Augustus compared to those who like or hate her.
>>151796542I found the relatability here to be way different, with 50% relating to Mike and 40% having no relation to him whatsoever. He's consistently the most relatable character on other websites, even among women. I saw that 31% of people knew someone like Paulo in a positive context, and that's 27% for Daisy as well, even though she was the most likely character for someone to have met in a positive context on other websites. There's also more people who have known someone like David, James, and Augustus in a negative context on here whereas other websites have extremely low relatability rates for Augustus. I will say that the vast majority, nearly 70%, still have no relation to those three whatsoever. I found that people on here were 3x as likely to have known someone like Lucy in a negative context compared to other websites.I saw that men tended to hate Lucy more than women, and women tended to like Daisy a little more than men. Sandy was hated identically across both, and men were more favorable to Sue than women, but not by a lot. I found on other websites that men tended to hate the male cast more, and be more neutral on the female characters, whereas women were more lenient on both. I also found that Paulo tended to be women's favorite male character, while for men he's generally second to Mike. As you can imagine, on other websites personal relatability to Lucy corresponds highly with favorability towards her. There are significantly more men who personally relate to Lucy in the Discord compared to Tumblr, Bluesky, or the Patreon.
>>151796547Isn't data beautiful? I probably would have more of it if the BCB Gestapo didn't get to me. I was discouraged from polling the Reddit, and now I've singlehandedly managed to make it and /co/ a banned topic on the Discord after mentioning it literally once. Whoops.
>>151796555Leddit is anti poll? Talk about echo chamber
>>151791092If we done it in the previous thread, do we need to fill it out again or would that skew data?
>>151796734NTA but I'm assuming it's because people can have a tendency to spam polls on reddit. Can't really open the floodgates of "please answer this poll for my school project" in any subreddit of decent size. It's not a kind of post you ever want to encourage because of how little it adds to discussion. And these things are never reliable anyway for a whole host of sampling reasons - custom online polls are "baby's first market research," basically.
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>>151797060My fault for not specifying, but I meant people running the BCB Discord told me not to go the subreddit because it's run by "unsavory people" aka those with opinions they don't like. The subreddit was chill with it, and they were pretty nice actually.
>>151797872My bad then. Yeah, it's probably not an issue with a subreddit that small. "Don't look elsewhere" doesn't surprise me at all from that secondary echo chamber hugbox (the primary one is the Patreon comments since Taeshi couldn't handle even the minimal negativity on the discord).
>>151796555God the discord sucks. So many armchair therapists and mental Olympics to justify the Mike hate. The dumbass mod Nostalgic loves James, that alone speaks volumes.
>>151797872Many such cases. The tards in the discord are so afraid of stepping out of their lane that they barely identify themselves as "centrists", never mind they constantly make excuses for Lucy's shitty behaviour.
>>151797210I wonder what the the shibuya incident of this would be....
>>151798481Is Lucy´s big bro! :3
>>151796555>now I've singlehandedly managed to make it and /co/ a banned topic on the Discord after mentioning it literally onceI don't think you set up that minefield, you just walked into it.This place is a shithole but it's a shame reddit is on the outs, too. There's absolutely overlap but I think it pulls in people who are either new or just read without discussing before, too.
>>151797872>unsavory peoplelol taeshi and suitcase would crumble if the fandom was any larger
>>151796734As far as I've seen, Reddit tends to be of a similar mindset on the comic as us. The Amycomics get crossposted all the time and people like them other than one weirdo who claims it to be a "Manic pixie dream girl"
>>151797872>run by "unsavory people"Every time I hear anything from that discord, it's the most retarded shit humanly possible.
>>151798481>That first panelJesus Christ >>151793411 was meant to be a fucking meme version, not the canon.
>>151798939I think what I can't wrap my head around is where Taeshi and Suitcase even managed to find the 39 1/2 foot stick up their asses, because all things considered they have it pretty good. Sure, the comic isn't high art, but it's basically just cat Degrassi, and as far as online webcomics go she's living the dream: a supportive audience that stays engaged over decades, a regular amount of fanart and overwhelming support, people willing to throw money at her for additional content. I don't know where or how they manage to find the neuroticism to be bothered by people having dissenting opinions in an isolated space she doesn't even have to look at.
>>151799592>I don't know where or how they manage to find the neuroticism to be bothered by people having dissenting opinions in an isolated space she doesn't even have to look at.Maybe the few skeletons in their closet? Like exposing their fetish comics, or the fact that suitcase may have been flirting with a 16 year old a few years ago. I think the criticism plays a part too though because I don't think the bcb subreddit is discussing half of the drama we discuss here.
>>151799577Seems unholy eldritch abilities run in the Whitecat bloodline. Makes me wonder what the parents get up to.
>>151800322I like to imagine the whitecat bloodline as descending from indiana jones villains, hence the extreme endogamy, the eldritch abilities, and the vague association with south america.>Whitecat bloodline originates in Thailand, begins practicing endogamy and occultism early>Moves to europe, join the SS due to their love of blood purity and occult leanings>Gets evacuated to South America when the debts come due in '45>Paperclips up to the US via "connections" and get positioned as well-paid minor celebrities
>>151791139Unfortunately it's about straight cats
>>151796542>>151796547That's interesting, both in general and because according to those stats I'm an outlier on the combination of opinions I hold.
>>151799577The edits some anons make are the only enjoyable thing about the comic.
>>151801684I love the punchline of>Oh shit, Daisy! I forgot you were there!No matter what, the universe conspires to make Daisy feel like shit.
>>151796542>>151796547There is a factor to consider in that someone may not hate the idea or personality of a character, but may hate how they're being written.I don't hate Mike, Lucy, Paulo, Daisy, or hell even Augustus on a conceptual level, I just despise how the author writes them. Lucy would be great if most of her friends barely tolerated her ass because of what an abuser she is, but instead they bend over backwards to please her, even her family lets her do pretty much whatever she wants despite the suicide attempt. Augustus might be tolerable or enjoyable if he got decked for the shit he pulls and wasn't beloved on Lucy's word. Mike would be a lot more enjoyable if he still had a fucking spine...David is the only one I through and through hate, meme characters are always fucking shit. James isn't consistently written enough to even be a character.
>>151800122I can see that, but I honestly feel like being so tweaky about these places only draws more attention to their existence. Granted, I'm not expecting the authors of this comic to be the sharpest tools in the shed.>>151801894Yeah, I can see that. This is where I stand with a majority of the cast at present, but for me that sentiment just translates into indifference more than anything else. James is such a hollow chocolate easter bunny of a a character that I'm surprised so many find enough substance within him for hatred, but it makes sense, since he's such an encapsulation of BCB's writing.
>>151802171If anything the thread is losing people so I don't know how you came up with that cope >Hrm why doesn't Taeshi want expats from a general that constantly talks about murdering her over a cartoon to infest her community It's a true shocker.
>>151800122>a few years agothink it might be like a decade ago at this point
>>151802624The bitterest of anons here are pretty bad, but I think Taeshi (and to a greater extent suitcase) kind of cultivated that:>Extremely ban-happy in the places they moderate>Edgy sense of humor, they make dark jokes and actively troll fans in a variety of ways; anyone who takes offense is banned, too>Tonal dissonance creates confusion over what's "serious" vs what's "jokes/exaggeration" (for instance, is Augustus an attempted rapist or just a dorky creep? Have characters "really" drawn blood or is that just an exaggeration for effect?)>Anyone who expresses this confusion is mocked and called stupid - again, if they take offense they risk a ban>Taeshi/suitcase repeatedly publish details of their personal lives rather than just telling friends>Finally, anyone who's open about participating in these threads gets banned from the official foraSo you have a TON of people who've been jilted in some way by the creators (either banned, or mocked, or both), and a bunch of stuff that's like catnip to the creepiest types of internet dweller (sexism and violence presented with an unclear level of irony), and both end up percolating down to the unofficial forums if they want to talk about the comic. Then anyone who participates in those unofficial forums is ALSO banned, leading to a self-sorting behavior where the people who don't want to get banned on the official forums don't come here, and anyone who is on here/reddit/whatever is either already banned or doesn't care.
>>151802624>talks about murdering her>Things that never happened for $100All I've seen was people saying that Vero might murder Oliver(which is true, BPD people are violent and unpredictable) or that her adult life is a total failure (which is true, no kids means no secure future and the whole dream of being a mother is now just that, a dream)
>>151802624>boy, the people I made up in my head sure are awful for doing those things I also made up in my head
>>151803870Yeah that's a worry, but Oliver is kindof a prick too.Maybe if Vero is that level of psycho taking it out on a bunch of cartoon cats isn't that bad...
>>151803870>Things that never happened for $100While I haven't seen anyone say they want to kill her, there has absolutely been a few times where anons have said vile shit like that they hope she succeeds in getting pregnant and miscarries.
>>151791092Most characters suck ass, specially the ones the author deems as her favorites (Lucy, Augustus and David), and James. It is REALLY hard to pick which one of the sucks the most; they're all terrible for a variety of reasons, usually do to their horrible personalities and behavior, and the fact that they suffer no punishment whatsoever for all the shit they did, do, and say. Everything bends towards them, ALWAYS.I can't really relate to any of them much. I mean, I feel sorry for some stuff and all, but they all do stupid decisions and shit all the time, it really makes it difficult to fully sympathize with them. The only ones that are good are the ones that barely show up, since they have less focus and therefore go through less opportunities to be utterly ruined.I can somewhat relate to Mike, I understand self-sacrifice and all, but just like I said, it is very difficult to fully take his side, not because of the stuff Taeshi claims he does (that he 'manipulates' people or that he wants someone pining on him all the time), but because, like I always say, he literally only has two modes nowadays: spineless worm or sperg master. I feel sorry for the dude, I know he at least is always trying to do what he feels is right, but he is also annoying sometimes, albeit much less that most of the rest of the cast.(Mostly just a copypaste from what I said on the form).
