How was the Johns run of Avengers? I never hear much talk about outside that one Hank and Jan page which marvel never gets reprinted. It's kind of just in this weird middle ground between the great Busiek run and the ....Bendis era. Any good?
Also holy christ this new captcha.
>>151794369One of the worst things to ever happen to she-hulk
I only read it for Carol and she had some hype moments and aura but Johns clearly did not get her at all
>>151794369I've only read part of it but so far big downgrade from Busiek's run. Never cared for Jack of Hearts either
>>151794369He ruined She-Hulk with that Bone Idaho bullshit.
>>151794369Simultaneously it's a downgrade from Busiek's run and caused problems for She-Hulk that worsened under other writers that wrote the character after Johns, and yet it's probably the last time the Avengers still felt close to being the Avengers.
>>151794891>>151794865I hold Busiek's run in VERY high regard so I don't imagine anything will really rival it for me. Well maybe Stern. But yeah, reading order wise it's basically the last run before things get Disassembled so I don't know if it's gonna be closer to the classic or modern style. Really cutting the line close
>>151794891I still have no clue why Slott had Jen go on a 6-9 month party bender after levelling an entire town and injuring 75 people.
>>151794927There's is Austen's little story where he shills his new OC and makes her Captain Britain for some reason. Pretty sure that's the last thing before Disassembled
Once again, Geoff John’s ruins everything
>>151794954This.Thanks Johns for ruining all of Byrne's work.
>>151794965wtf is even happening here
>>151794987Jack is draining Jen of all her character development.
>>151794369It's Johns so it's mediocre to slightly above average 6/10 stuff that fans at the time overrated because Johns was able to give his comics the illusion of being steeped in and respectful to history even though they weren't.>>151794625>Carol>hype>auraGo fuck yourself.
>>151794933Bendis hates certain characters and will intentionally go out of his way to shit on them if he thinks they're lame. She-Hulk, Scott Lang and Tigra are pretty much the glowing examples of that.
>>151795061Fucking Bendis had her go on another melty & rip Vision in-half like a phone book.
>>151795050No
>>151795061>>151795109There's character assassination and then there's bendis
>>151794369>>151794865>>151794927Is Busiek's Avengers actually good, or is it good in the way people say his Thunderbolts is good?
>>151795281It's a very good and strong return to form after a very long string of bullshit. Easily some of the best Kang work and George Perez on art. Highly recommend
>>151795281If you don't like Thunderbolts it's very likely that you have shit taste and won't like his Avengers either
>>151795340Does anyone else concur with this?
>>151795389Yes
>>151795397What if I like Astro City but dislike Thunderbolts?
>>151795416Then you vex me on a profound level
Cons>She Hulk>A downgrade from BusiekPro>Last Avenger that feel like the Avengers>Hank and wasp relationship>Last time many Avengers feel like Avengers (Wasp talking like a Bimbo White in Bendis run)>The followed run were Austen and Bendis, so I would rather read Geoff
>>151795529>>Hank and wasp relationshipI am very much a Hank fan
>>151794369it was the last TRUE avengers run, that the team felt like REAL AVENGERS.I love it, I know some people hated but overall is good.
>>151795281At the time it was published people loved it as the team returning to greatness but it's aged horribly with people noting the character assassination (Firestar and Justice and Hawkeye; the last part resulting in Clint having to be exiled to Thunderbolts), the way Busiek completely trashed and humiliated Vision 24-7 to prop up Wonder Man and the universally reviled Simon/Wanda ship, and the use of OC villains and the cash grab nature of Avengers Disassembled.
>>151795752I don't recall Hawkeye being character assassinated
>>151795529So two cons, one pro, and three cons for other runs.
