Did Penguin legitimately want to meet his parents and become a respectable member of society or did he always want to be evil and kill all the firstborn goyim?
>>151860592I think he wanted sex and money.
>>151860592When Bruce looks into the history of the circus he immediately finds proof of child disappearances, Penguin was murdering kids
He wants everything. He's a greedy dickhead.
JUST THE PUSSY I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR
Penguin is a villain who is perfect for 2025. He's like a twisted blend of Establishment and Populist Tropes. High society by birthright, but cast out and thus railing against high society.
>>151860613That was mostly Max appeasing him in exchange for becoming his puppet Mayor.
>What are you waiting for, the signal!
The latter. He might have wanted to knowwho his parents were at one point, but it was more of a front to get access to the Gotham archives and get the names of kids.
>>151860706>"vote for me and i will EAT ALL the billionaires LITERALLY!!!">also eats orphans behind the scenes
>>151860592>>151860659>>151861119Bruce makes it clear that he thinks Penguin knows who his parents are and that he has ulterior motives for getting access to the Gotham birth records in the film when he's patrolling at night>Are you still concerned about that strange penguin fellow?>I think he knows who his parents are, there's something else...
>>151860592He was always evil.In this scene, he calls human fingers “stubby digits”. He was always lying and hated humanity.He wanted to kill the kids from the start.But Max put the idea he could be Mayor and have complete control over Gotham City. So Penguin postponed his plans. After Batman outed him, he went back to his original plans.
>>151861390>But Max put the idea he could be Mayor and have complete control over Gotham City.That is to say, as much control as Max would have allowed him to wield.
>>151860592Also, this isn’t the first time Penguin has murdered kids.It’s implied he was responsible for “missing children” when he worked at the circus.
this movie is legitimately grotesque and it intensifies in a way that makes you genuinely feel like you're going insane, I fucking love it still
>>151860592Jesus fucking Christ I hate Tim Burton so much
>>151861390I don't describing a newborn baby's hands as having 'chubby digits' conveys a hatred of humanity, he acknowledges many times he is a freak, and accuses Batman of being jealous because he needs to wear a mask
>>151860592sad lonely man wanted to be respected without himself being respectablea tale as old as time
Got him for X-Mass
>>151861014>The old big mansion from 89 gets replaced with the aaams family mansion in ReturnsLame
>>151861688On a gut level, it's still my favorite Batman movie. I can agree Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are probably better movies on paper, but Burton captures the dark, operatic energy of the best Batman comics.
>>151863432It's because they didn't film Returns in London, they filmed it in Los Angeles. They even had the sets from '89 ready to go at Pinewood for the sequel and they were never reused.
>>151863462That's fucking stupid mate.
>>151860592He knew they were dead which is why he decided to make his comeback and inherit the fortune. He was using the records to look up recent first born kids to kill at the end. >>151860659No he just found that penguin and his goons (all circus freaks) were connected and he was a criminal.
>>151860592More of a Christmas movie than die hard btw
>>151860592IIRC, it gets established in the novelization that he personally killed his parents the first chance he got. The whole scene at the cemetery was just one big performance.
