The drawings on the right are great too, but not as great, is there a reason why their styles are nearly impossible to perfectly replicate? With their great composition and contrast and everything?I study anatomy and Preston Blair and all yet my art always manages to look more like something on the right than the left.
>>151894484No matter how hard you try or how good it looks, you’re art is never gonna look as good as your influence and that’s a fact, same reason why 90’s cartoons don’t look as good as the golden age stuff. I recognize all five of those inspired artists and I feel they do a great job at replicating the Spumco style, there’s just a larger variety of sources for them to take inspiration from now. The Spumco OGs were influenced exclusively by classic cartoons, particularly Clampett and UPA, while the newer artists are influenced more by Spumco itself, and other inspirations as well, Dorkymations and Rodtask were also influenced by things like Gorillaz and Gainax hence why their art has a sharp look to it.
>>151894484Most 90s spumco artists made ugly, unappealing art. Why would you want future artists to replicate that? Western artists should train to understand perspective and composition.
>>151894551>”WAAAAHHHH, CARTOOONSS SHOULDN’T LOOK WACKY, I’M HAVING A HECKIN PANIC ATTACK!!!!”You are a weak faggot, kys
>>151894484>i study anatomyMy guyWhat anatomy is on the left lmao>man who is 3 headlengths wide and 4 headlengths tall. >body is 80% torso/hips>crying man>eyes at top of head instead of half or 3/4 down>mouth and chin make up majority of face>dogman similar to fat man>babs bunny>head is face, barely any forehead, >face is an egg on a hotdog instead of a circle.Maybe actually study the styles on the left?
>>151894549something i like to tell people who ask me for art advice is to not only look at your inspirations, but also to look at what inspired those artists, and then keep going further down the roots
>>151894551Artists should do whatever the fuck they want and whoever likes it can pick them up.If you're naking art for some end goal then just become an ai slop farmer.Youtube white knights cant take down ai artfags faster than they can turn a buck
>>151894551Grow a pair you faggot>>151894571Those are exaggerations of real anatomy, and in order to learn how to exaggerate anatomy, you need to study normal anatomy, you gotta know the rules before you break them. Does nobody on /co/ know their shit about art, like at all?
>>151894570>I'm having a panic attack Say the guy that shitposts in every animation thread about how cartoons should be Ren and Stimpy ripoffs and make constant threads about that shitty Patrick Stark cartoon and nuLooney tunes
>>151894985I’m not that faggot.
>>151894570Wacky comedies should be just one of many styles of art and animation. Keeping everything as cartoony comedies is why people don't take animation seriously. Artists, animators AND writers need to go beyond that.
>>151894551this the rejection of good technical skills are the reason why western artists always pale in comparison to eastern ones
>>151895037Go the fuck to /a/ weebtard
>>151894931>you need to learn anatomy to exaggerate ityou don't need that much knowledge. I'm just starting out, I know my basic anatomy like hands reach down to upper thigh. but the fatty on the left is way out of anatomical proportion. he barely has legs, so instead his arms reach down to his hips. since his body is now the majority of his body instead of the legs like a normal human.his arms also appear to shorten when he sits, like an accordiani hope you're not paying money to study anatomy.
>>151895037Go back to your favela
>>151895160No shit he’s out of proportion, cartooning is all about caricaturing real life and exaggeration, his arms also shorten cause a big part of Ren & Stimpys style was making its characters go off model in appealing ways. Just saying the more you study real anatomy the more appealing your cartoony designs will be.
>>151895241and yet you still churn out right sides and not left sides
>>151895149>>151895201The fact that you can't post a single counterargument proves he is 100% right>>151895160Do you actually believe the shitposters making these threads are artists? They NEVER post art. None of the /co/ drawfags care about this nonsense.
>>151895338>The fact that you can't post a single counterargument proves he is 100% rightNope, you cocksucking faggot
>>151894484>Furries vs coward liberal progressives
>>151895338I'm learning to draw but i wouldn't post my art here because I don't have the personal strength to endure being mocked by people who wont remember me in 5 minutes.sure i could post again down the line and the same faggot recognizes me and says good job but idc really. everyone has their own learning process. OP i don't think sucking off anatomy professors is right for you.
>>151895338You do realize how much eastern artists are inspired by western artists right? One Piece shows clear influence from slapstick cartoons. You even got some shows like Bludgeoning Angel Dokuro Chan and Panty & Stocking which show clear Ren & Stimpy influence in terms of grossout and expressive animation. Japs love cartoons that look western.
>>151895554>Panty & Stocking which show clear Ren & Stimpy influence in terms of grossout and expressive animationNta but this is wrong. P&S is a clear parody of the late 90s/early 2000s Upa inspired cartoons like Dexter and PPG with influences of Invader Zim and early South Park. The characters are supposed to look and feel a bit stiff like these cartoons. Literal anti-JK/spumco animation.
>>151894571If you don’t study anatomy to help yourself stylize your just gonna end up like this.>>151895160That fat guy was drawn by Jim Smith, a Ren & Stimpy artist also inspired by comic book heroes who’s notable for drawing tons of big burly men with exaggerated semi realistic muscles, that toony stylized appearance can only be properly drawn by learning anatomy first.
>>151895895Yes, Powerpuff heavily influenced the show stylistically but believe the expressive animation was heavily Spumco derived, they literally have Ren & Stimpy-based ghosts appear in an episode.
>>151895554Nobody ever said that Japanese artists weren't inspired by western artists, though.
>>151895895all those other cartoons are influenced by Ren and Stimpy and benefited from having the space to do much more daring content/visuals than 80s corporate garbage cartoons.It and Mighty Mouse heavily defined all 90s animation.
>>151894484Left is American cult of ugliness in the 90s, right is in the 2000s. The substance is the same. If you want to learn how to draw appealing characters learn from manga and anime. Always learn from the best. Coping doesn't work anymore. While the West wasted time and effort on ugly talking animal bullshit Japan perfected art to the extreme. The only reason Western animation was a thing was due to the absence of the Internet. Once Internet came into being and anime became widely available and known it was obvious cartoons just can't compete. Their existence was only possible in a closed off walled garden with no competition.
>>151894570>that greentextWhy are responses like this even allowed? How does it not fall under low quality, or spam, or just shitstirring. It's not even attempting a conversation.
>>151896162You are wrong as usual, kid. PPG and Dexter are the childs of Two Stupid Dogs.
>>151896318Welcome to 4Chan, newfag, act like a squeamish retard and you’d get responses like that.
>>151896333Get industry cock out of your mouth if you want to reply to me. Best thing to do is not reply at all>kidBecoming a cocksucker is not a milestone of growing up
>>151896307Stfu anime troon
>>151896358>calls others newfag after posting a post 2020 staple low effort meme answerThis is just sad
>>151894551Years of beanmouth brainrotted a generation into thinking that ugliness can’t look appealing. Cartoons have been stylistically ugly since the days of Fleischer.
Miyazaki basically said anyone who jumped into the industry as an animator eventually becomes good at it because they have to work like a machine.That was probably true until 1990s in both the US and Japan.
>>151895554Uni. M, one of the animators depicted in the right of OPs pic, was born and raised in Japan yet managed to perfectly replicate a Spumco/Hannah Barbera/Rod Scribner artstyle.https://m.youtube.com/@UnitheCatbird/videos
>>151894484Left had at least some traditional drawing education and on the job training from more experienced artists. They learned to draw from life to animate characters. Right taught themselves online with feedback from random strangers and maybe a few general elective drawing classes. They learned to draw by copying finished drawings of animated characters.
>>151896307fuck off back to>>>/a/
>>151894484I can barely tell the difference in these examples, all looks like shit
>>1518945494channers gotta get this shit out of their heads, plenty of artists are considered greater than their influences. To do otherwise just leads to nonsense like when I saw someone on /mu/ claim Bach had no influences.
>>151894484Probably just worse teaching and mentoring in comparison to the older guys. Animation industry is much shitter, you don't really get as much hands on training and experience and you don't develop the basic technical skills necessary that older artists did.
>>151899414What you should do is go to a thread about a /co/ anime-like shit and say this is not acceptable. There are planty of them.
>>151899764Cope
>>151899580Stfu, trannyfag
>>151899659/co/ has this weird obsession with the golden age. People here think artists like Bob Clampett can't be topped when they, in fact, were surpassed long time ago. People also forget that most golden age animations were five minute long and had big budgets.
>>151899793That doesn't make any sense. I genuinely don't understand why you are okay with them.
>>151899838Because fuck you, you subhuman tranny
>>151899838Just ignore that guy, bro. He is absolutely incapable of making coherent arguments. Low effort zoomer insults are his only weapons.
>>151899857I don't even watch anime, anon. I unironically wish ''proud western anime-haters'' like you were actually based.
>>151899941I’m not one that faggots
>>151899659You can be as good if not greater than your inspiration, it’s just very hard to do so, getting your cartooning on the level of one of the artists on the left takes years of studying and learning dozens of principles. I think it’s just that a lot of the artists on the right are relatively new at what they do, Dorkymations artwork was on amateur toonautist quality five years ago. Even John Ks art looked more like that of an artist on the right back during his 80’s days before it peaked in the 90’s and gradually degraded over the decades.
>>151899659most /co/ “wisdom” is anons playing telephone with something they read their favorite animator said once
>>151899969Then what are you? Are you just being eternally asshurt about Japan 24/7?
>>151900141Nope, learn to read, retard
>>151900141He is a contrarian kid with nothing better to do. In my days kids used to post gore and other edgy shit. Now they obsess over shitty 90s artists. Boys these days ain't right.
>>151900150So what are you doing here?
>>151900239Wrong, oldtard
>>151900239I think it's far more depressing than that
>>151900246Seeing if there’s conversation worth of engaging with it
Creative inbreeding is a thing, plain and simple, more over they didn't understand the fundamentals or influences of why it happened just that they liked it.
>>151900271anon It's not really hard to guess what you are actually doing
>>151900265No, not at all
>>151899815>People here think artists like Bob Clampett can't be topped when they, in fact, were surpassed long time ago.By whom?>People also forget that most golden age animations were five minute long and had big budgets.You don't need 24 frames a second all the time to get a good cartoon. But look at Beany and Cecil, the television cartoon he did in 1962. Compare other cartoons to that.
>>151900307Use capital letters.
>>151897632Exactly. You will NOT improve your art skills if all you do is copy other drawings, especially when starting out. Eventually, you will stagnate and skill regression will kick in.Older cartoonists have superior art because they drew from life before they learned to draw cartoons. They were inspired by all sorts of things, not just cartoons.
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>>151901011>Japan randomly mentionedHuh?!
>>151901082The kings of animation
>>151894551Wackyfags don't respect traditional art. When they see that somebody has practiced degrees of realism and anatomy, they say stuff like "what's the point?", "this is wrong", "just take a photo", etc. Whereas the opposite does not exist. They're uniquely spiteful and iconoclastic for no reason. They dislike the idea that art can exist for its own sake, or for the sake of mastery. They dislike the idea that traditional arts (including with live actors) are highly visual and worth learning. They don't acknowledge that even realistic animation is highly stylized and contains a plethora of unique aesthetics. It's almost like a fool's errand to talk to them. I assume many of them are actually decent people, but this loud vocal minority is braindead.
>>151900799>>151901208Why do you tards automatically assume that none of the modern cartoonists on OPs pic also draw from life or can draw in more realistically proportioned artstyles? I follow all of them and have seen them do it (except for maybe Trusty, the one who drew the computer guy, maybe he does study anatomy but if I’m being honestly he’s probably the least good artist of the group)I’ve seen tons of spergs on toontwitter that act exactly like image depicted>>151895962but I wouldn’t group these people with them
>>151895554Like are there's other examples of this?? because Anime was inspired by Disney
>>151900799artists now be like "art college is a scam you can learn everything on the internet for free" and then refuse to study the fundamentals meanwhile I have to take classes on every single fundamental and do life drawings just to get my stupid 2d animation degree which will be useless probably in the next couple yearsBut I'm doing it anyway just for the love of the craft. I don't care that I'm broke
>>151901626Top left is the only comparable example of cartooning fundamentals here
>>151901626nigga is that fetish art on the top right
>>151901782In all fairness, 90’s cartoonists had some blatant fetishes too.
>>151901743Really?
>>151901880Yeah and it’s just studies from observation but you can see the design appeal in the dragon doodle too. >Top right has no mass or weight ironically, forms are flat>Bottom leftFlat caricature of a photo, uncomitted design. this might be a bad example for this artist, seems good with a pencil.>Bottom rightStiff and lacking structural forms, shadows look cool but disguise anatomy mistakes. They can all get there too but the work shown is somewhere else currently
>>151901847does it get old constantly saying this about all classic cartooning? well, I suppose for some when it does get old it ends in suicide.
>>151902135Ok.
>>151901743>>151902135Top left was done by Dorkymations btw, I don’t think the rest are bad but I do agree that he’s the most talented of the group and the closest to matching the quality of a 90’s cartoonist. Though I can agree with your criticisms on Rodtasks drawing (bottom left), I feel like he also has great talent in terms of animation skills. The stuff he makes is incredibly smooth with a great understanding on depth and timing.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oUvULj9-t2g
>>151894484One group pioneered a style, the other group is just "replicating" it. A good jumping off point to further develop their style but bowing to the alter of homage can be limiting.
>thread about cartoons with actual animation>adventuretranny shits it up immediately
>>151903439I’m glad the younger artists are altering the homage, the best artstyles are a mix of various inspirations, Spumco wasn’t only Clampett-inspired, but also had a mixture of UPA and Hannah Barbera thrown into it as well. Mixing styles together creates ones with good identity.
Anons keep proving why you shouldn't get advice on how to draw or make a cartoon from /co/
>>151900307If you're wondering why he's sperging out, it's because the OP implies (in his mind) that Adventure Time's animation isn't as good as 90s cartoons (which is absolutely fucking true btw). The next time he pulls his shit, remind him that he has admitted to being south american, and a tranny who self inserts as female characters.
>>151903720>a guy that defends spumco and hates anime is somehow a fan of adventure timeAre you insane?
