His monologue makes sense for Silver Age Superman.
Plus he's a villain, so of course he's gonna make a luthoresque reading of the guy.
The problem is I'm very convinced that the character is a mouthpiece for Tarantino thinking he's extremely clever.
>>151895281That describes a lot of Tarantino characters. To be fair to him, he generally pulls it off quite well.
>>151895281I have no doubt this is Tarantino's actual opinion on Superman but guess what, Tarantino probably read Silver Age Superman comics as a kid during peak Superdickery days.
>>151895144he died in a hotel closet jerking off with his belt around his neck and a tangerine up his ass
>>151895144Sure. But it doesn't mean he's right about Superman now, or about Beatrix.
>>151895144Sure.
>>151895729Superman's peak of popularity was during the Silver Age
>>151895144Also applies to Reeve Superman
>>151897504No it doesn't Smallville Clark in 3 is the most honest version and you can see that in Reeves performance
>>151895609David Carradine, choking the life out of every role.
>>151895144A face I've grown very accustomed to seeing in bad movies thanks to RiffTrax, along with his dad John. Those two never turned down a role, no matter how shitty.
>>151895144I swear to fucking god I dunno how you retards miss the point of a speech so goddamned hard and doggedly stick to it after having it explained to you again and again.Bill's Wrong. The point of the speech is to show what a fucking monster Bill is because of the way he views normal people and his unwillingness to accept that the Bride didn't want to juggle being an Assassin with being a Mom.
>>151897536Nobody liked Superman 3 except for me Clark is clearly the mask in Superman 1 and 2
>>151895144Kind of reminds me of Ed Pinsent's Silver Age Superman fancomic from 1993.
>>151895144Not really.
>>151897654100% this. The whole point is that Bill doesn't think people can change, he doesn't appreciate the fact that even if Superman is at his best as Superman instead of Clark Kent, the point is that Clark Kent is who he chooses to be most of the time. He thinks Clark Kent has no value, that it's just a disguise for the "real" Superman. But even Silver Age Superman chose to maintain his identity as Clark Kent, and it wasn't because he was subtly "critiquing" humanity, he had a great deal of respect for humans in all his iterations, even at the height of Superdickery. Bill doesn't respect the idea of choice, of choosing to be someone else - he believes that Superman will always be Superman, and that his choice to be Clark Kent in the day-to-day is some kind of message, a mockery of the "inferior people" around him. It's a mirror to how he feels about Beatrix - he thinks that her attempt to choose to be a normal mother and housewife is a pointless distraction to her so-called "true calling" as a killer. Ask Bill what can change the nature of a man, and he would say that nothing can.
It applies to bronze age Superman as well. People who have only ever known post-crisis Superman get mad about it, as if Quentin or Old Man Bill ever touched that stuff.
>>151899513True.
>>151899513>It applies to bronze age Superman as wellThe one that started crying when he was forced to be Superman 24/7?
>>151899230That had to sting when she faced off with Copperhead and saw she was living the life that was denied from her. Also, upon rewatching the film in theaters, it became obvious that the group (Deadly Viper Assassination Squad) is called DVAS(divas) and they are basically kung fu hookers.
>>151899513I read an issue of Superman where he got amnesia and realized that if he is the most powerful man in the world, his secret identity must be the President of the USA and just flies to the White House and dresses like the President. The Secret Service assumes Superman is posing as the President because he worked out an agreement with the real President because this is something Superman does, poses as the President when he needs a body double.
>>151900632He enjoys the act too much. But Clark Kent is not him, it's all an act, a private joke he finds hilarious.
>>151895609>>151897547Jewish lies. He was murdered. Just like Bruce Lee was murdered. Just like Michael Jackson was murdered.
different interpretations of a character existhow has this tiny speech inspired decades of such autism
>>151895144When are we getting Kill Bill 3 ?
>>151895144Tarantino was never great at the villainous monologue. He was better at perfectly recreating common non-important small talk from killers and criminals while they are on the job doing sickhouse shit. Not many got that part of the whole story down so well.
>>151895144>>151897504>>151897758Wasn't it obvious by the fact that he only wears face obscuring coverings when he is Clark Kent?
>>151897654Copperhead also quit the game to go raise a family, no one seemed to give a shit there. Looked like Bill was more pissed off that Beatrix faked a death and vanished for a while.
>>151895281> I'm very convinced that the character is a mouthpiece for Tarantino thinking he's extremely clever.It's not. It's apparent that Bill doesn't understand Superman and his using Supes as a metaphor for The Bride. Bill cannot fathom the concept of someone who is otherwise not normal wanting to live normally, or even have some aspects of normalcy about them. He doesn't understand that Clark Kent is very much part of Superman and is who he is at his core just as he doesn't understand how The Bride no longer wants to live the life. He thinks that anyone who isn't normal and is being normal can only ever "pretend" to be normal. Just as he thinks The Bride getting married and working in a record store would've only been her pretending, and how Clark Kent is just Superman putting on an act to disguise himself among Humans. The whole point of the scene is that he is out of touch. He doesn't understand.
I wonder what would Alan Moore think about it. My guess is that he believes Clark is the mask because Moore is a huge Silver Age fanboy and he compares Superman to mythological figures and gods used to disguise as humans all the time
>>151900922>never had a job on the road>never had a job in ERboy you don't get out much at all do you
>>151902219To be fair, it's very plausible that Bruce and MJ were assesinated but there was no reason to kill David Carradine.
>>151900705>>151901492That's a big reason why Bill is full of shit, because Copperhead got to leave and have a family despite ALSO being a killer. All of Bill's two-bit philosophizing over Superman and the nature of humanity is just a pack of self-serving nonsense to cover the fact that he just hated Beatrix having a life without him and his values.
>>151895144To generalize that the writing and art was 'not great' was a pretty bad take considering there's been a lot of ups and downs over the 87 years of Superman. >>151900922>Bruce LeeThere's a documentary where Lee's brother, who also didn't buy the accidental death story, hires a private investigator he knows and trusts to reinvestigate and he concludes it was a mixture of drug interactions and other factors that intensified that fatal reaction. Given the evidence the brother ends up agreeing. It's worth checking out
