Why does Hollywood treat animation with contempt?
>>151900388so does that mean marvel movies are actually cartoons?
>>151900388It has the fan base of a cartoon at least
>>151900388can you really blame them after the emoji movie and boku no pico?
>>151900388There was a time when an actor could dance, or perform a wicked car stunt, and the audience would wonder how they did it. Now, even if they half killed themselves to perform, the audience would just assume it was CGI and collectively yawn.
>>151900388It goes back to especially the 50s when saturday morning shows presented it as kiddy shows, but even before it got the association of being for kids only and not being able to be taken seriously being seen as a gimmick most of the timesIt NEVER had respect even during the golden age
Because they see it as a children's medium
>>151900388if the pecking order didn’t measure worthiness they might not deserve what they worked so hard for
>>151900443James Cameron would not know how to react to this.
Because animation writing, whether you want to admit it or not, is much more juvenille as a whole compared to live-action. Even things that are aimed for a mature audience seemed to be much more "dumbed down" than a live-action counterpart. Part of this is because Walt Disney popularized animation as an art form and he aimed mostly for families. Another part is how cheap animation became when it shifted to TV thanks to Hannah-Barbara. Since the stigma developed early on, writing for animation as a job just naturally became lower down the ladder. If you wanted to be a writer for The Sopranos, you needed some actual writing chops. The same is not said for Boondocks, Duckman, or King of the Hill. I love all of those shows, but their writing quality definitely is much simpler than that of Mad Men, Better Call Saul, Barry, etc. My bias will show here, but one of the few times I've seen an animated American show actually rival those others shows in terms of writing quality was Venture Brothers. A good example of this is that new Predator animated movie, Killer of Killers. Compare that movie to something like Prey. KoK feels FAR more simplistic and almost aimed at a younger audience at times, especially with the American protagonist who is making dumb jokes and quips all the time. I'm pretty sure someone goes, "WOOOO THIS IS AWWWEEEESOME" at one point, which is not shit you would've ever heard in something like Prey or the original Predator. And why is that? Well, it's gotta be one of the following:1. Writers for animation do not care.2. Animation writers are generally amateurish.3. Animation productions are generally smaller/shorter. Live-action shows get to have tons of re-writes, re-shoots, and giant budgets. Animation is rarely graced with that. Take your pick for an excuse.
>>151900388Because it's fake. People have a disdain for fake things. They don't even realize that voice actors deserve awards because they can't see their face when they're talking.
>>151900493>if the pecking order didn’t measure worthinessIt doesn’t, cuck
>>151900526Your balls are fake.
>>151900388Lets all just take a moment to acknowledge that she's hot. Thank you for your time.
>>151900552Some people want to see people. Some people don't. You don't have to get angry for being the latter.
>>151900530I’m answering OP’s question, love
Same old fucks as 20 years ago are still running the industry and have no concept of art beyond box office receipts.
>>151900388Women find technical proficiency off-putting.
>>151900388Imagine respecting the actual craft of cartooning and working hard to make good cartoons instead of trying to steal the prestige of popular live action films
>>151900388Because there is a persistent idea firmly ingrained in the american consciousness that animation is exclusively for children
>>151900526>voice actors deserve awards
>>151901001What does it have actually have to do with anything?
>>151901001What does you image have to do with your post? It is literally unrelated.
>>151900525>1. Writers for animation do not care.>2. Animation writers are generally amateurish.Often falls into these two most of the time and this issue isn't just confined to the United States, all you need is good enough visuals to give the viewer a dopamine hit and they'll outright ignore the lackluster or immature writing.
>>151901032incels love using nazis as a non sequitur in any discussionit is the ad hominem of all online discourse when they cannot think of or produce any talking points to contradict otherwise
>>151900388because the average person is retarded and requires a direct human face to observe and mimic the reaction of. Same reason that react content is so popular.The NPC "meme" isn't a meme, there are millions of "people" who just observe their surroundings and simply try to fit in, they cant comprehend even the tiniest bit of abstraction from being able to perform. I feel like a psychopath saying this but its simply reality
>>151900388Because animation is slop and any retarded 12 year old with a tablet can make a cartoon.
>>151900388Animation is for children. Avatar is not for children ergo it's not animation.
>>151900388animation sucks and the current generation of animators are the most self-entitled, the most coddled, the most undeserving in all of history. death to all of them
>>151900525>Venture BrosEhhh I do not agree. Not that VB isn’t a great show. The good run of Simpsons is probably the only cartoon writing on primetime level, too bad it’s not that kind of show.It really is a chicken and egg problem with the business. As long as animation is children’s entertainment and children’s entertainment is a lower paid stepping stone job for amateurs, despite the high bar for artistic talent animation will struggle to attract equally sophisticated writing. Dunno what combination of conditions will change that.
Animation is extremely expensive which makes studios less willing to take risks with the writing. Much better to rely on the animation itself and prop it up with safe generic simple writing. Good writing only requires actors standing around talking to impress audiences, so the costs and incentives are totally different.
>>151901518Ok, hollycuck
>>151901337Stfu, you vermin faggot >>151901602You suck
>>151901088>it is the ad hominem of all online discourseDo you know what ad hominem is?
>>151901518Avatar the Last Airbender has no cultural impact outside of tranime loving millenials. The movie is getting pulled from theatres.
>>151900388Hollywood was born from live action. As a result it looks down on all other mediums, not just animation Look how they butcher book adaptations, spit on video games and are ashamed to admit a comic adaptation is from a comic. The only medium they view as an equal is stageplays. So I don't really blame Hollywood people for not liking animation very much, it's just their nature
>>151901803>tranimeNice projection, amerilard>no cultural impactThat’s Cameron’s CGIfest
>>151901766You're a sissy faggot and you have over a trillion petabytes of child porn; kill yourself you degenerate
>>151901853>being this much a projecting faggot How much salty are your bitch tears?
>>151901853But enough about yourself, we are talking about animation.
>>151901819Hollywood are weirdly tolerant of comic books. They do look down on them but not as aggressively as they do on everything else. I think it's because they literally own the comic companies, so comics are sort of in a house slave situation where the master doesn't respect them but likes them and dotes on them like a pet.
>>151900388Why do redditors hate Avatar so much?
>>151901937>”If you dislike my CGIfest, libslop you are le heckin Redditor!!!!”Really anon? Is that really the hill you are going to die on?
>>151900388But he doing a full animated AVATAR film, it will definitely be better than the other Avatar franchise from Nickelodeon which shifted it's newest movie to streaming garbage..https://deadline.com/2025/07/james-cameron-avatar-animated-series-anthology-1236472869/
>>151901994Lol, coomerfag
>>151900388They partially pulled their heads out of their asses a while ago, but now they're back on that "Animation is for children" bullshit...then they allow LGBT shit in it. Make THAT shit make sense.
>>151900388this sam adams guy sounds like a faggotanyway is way of water worth watching?
>>151900388I haven't seen the movie but if there are no human actors and everything was done in computer plus mo-cap then it's an animated movie. Avatar 1 wasn't because of Jake Sully and all the humans were in the film. Even if it was on a sound stage an even if they where in mo-cap suits they were actors playing people and there likeness was used. Not people playing aliens that if you squint hard enough you can kinda see the actors likeness in the blue alien cat person.
>>151901678why do you think classic simpsons is better written than venture bros?
post more sexy navi
>>151900594I don't think she's hot but her design is really good. Her eyes alone had screen presence
>>151902069Mildly moreso than Fire and Ash but still not really
>>151902102Classic Simpsons has the most memorable jokes of any tv cartoon, classic Spongebob being a close second. I love VB but a lot of the jokes require you to be a close fan of the series to understand since it's a serialized narrative on top of being a comedy.
>>151901224>I feel like a psychopath saying thisYou aren't a psychopath, just a teenager desperate to feel different.
>>151901678If a talented writer worked on an animated show would he or she be able to really express their talent or would they be required to lower themselves to the level of writing that the people bankrolling and managing the project expect for an animated production? I suspect the latter is what would happen.
>>151901602>animation sucksNo >the current generation of animators are the most self-entitled, the most coddled, the most undeserving in all of history.Maybe
>>151900388Animation=Cartoon=Kids
>>151901864>>151901873>pot calling kettle black, faggot pedophile editionYour faggot friends in Animation would be dead in a natural, just society
>>151900459Emoji movie is their fault though.
>>151902204Only if you are normalfag
>>151902066>Not wanting sadist tall gfPusay
>>151902069It's pretty and inoffensive unless you really hate whales. If you like watching video game cutscenes you'll be okay.
In the actual article he doesnt insult the movie and praises a number of animated movies, he's just criticizing James Cameron for being defensive for no good reason. Makes for a good clickbait title I guess.
>>151902239These movies are meant for normies.
all i know is that big james never fucking misses
>>151902230Looks like I struck a nerve
>>151900388They're mad japan overtook the box office
>>151900393Those have actors onscreen the vast majority of the runtime. There are episodes of Spongebob with higher percentages of live action than Avatar.
>>151902305You rape children, fuck you, Dana
>>151901828streamingslop like Avatar cannot even begin to approach the kino that is Cinema. That's why "The Legend of Aang' surrendered its name. KWAB
>>151902177I think animation is too complex to boil down to a load bearing factor. Everyone intends to make good work, conforming the product doesn’t mean it has to be “lesser”. Yes, writers up the chain of command lack creative authority and are incentivized to protect their jobs so it compounds. Not a job for mavericks.The ideal cartoon writer is a story artist without a prewritten script who can compose in cartoon form. When writers in that position get to express their talent, we know about them. But their work is sucessful because everyone else on the team also contributed and conformed to their jobs. You need bankrolling and management to get the work done, the balance of priorities is out of whack.
>>151901001>german flagcode>that textPour one out for him, he didn't make it out
>>151900525>Because animation writing, whether you want to admit it or not, is much more juvenille as a whole compared to live-action
>>151901937Avatar is shit dude. There is literally nothing it does stellar. It's the adult equivalent to shaking keys in front of a baby for hours
>>151900388>>151900492It's not just them, most people ages 50+ don't really take animation seriously, as in, they immediately assume it's for kids.
>>151904233The Great Pillowing can't come soon enough.
>>151902175guess ill just be better than you then
>>151901937Are fags going to hail avatar as 'literally our movie' now?
>>151900519My nigga Cameron is building up to a dreadlocked white kid knocking up blue female Jesus in the 4th
>>151901937The movies make more money than the Marvel movies, so now the entire site has a grudge.
>>151900388BECAUSE CARTOONS ARE FOR STUPID BABIES, MANCHILDREN, AND PEDOPHILES
>>151904233Honestly, can you blame? Animation is a medium, but not one that Hollywood properly takes advantage of, 99% of animated movies and shows are for kids, and the ones that aren't, are so childish that they might as well be for edgy teens.
