>Loses the cultural impact war>Becomes associated with the same negative connotations plaguing Harry Potter and its fanbase with arrested development>No hype for the new seriesBryke lostJames Cameron won
>>151916489Is the joke that the memetext is actually about the latest Avatar movie?
>>151916588Cameron grossed close to $4 billion with his aliens. Toon Avatar flounders with every release and the only version fans seem to unanimously like is over 20 years old.
>>151916489>>Becomes associated with the same negative connotations plaguing Harry Potteruh, no, not really
>>151916489The avatar vs atla feud never made sense when you think about it
>>151917723Is there an actual feud? I thought some anons were just trying to autistically stir shit and failing.
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>>151917796Who dat
>>151916489> Relegated to the Last Airbender moniker> Forever related to retarded millenial nostalgia > Sequel series killed all the good will> New sequel series somehow even more ass> Movie pulled from theatersYup, yupCameron won Shyamalan won Bryke Lost Ehatsz lost
>>151917517It really is, it's for millennials too normie to watch anime, hell to even watch cartoons that isn't strictly normieslop. The people still obsessing over Avatar are the ones that haven't watched an action plot show/anime since aka Harry Potter fag.
>>151917796Less than 200 likes...really?
>>151917888>>151917880It's also how every time Avatar tries to expand its world, it falls apart hard again LIKE Harry PotterIt's a series that's nowhere near as progressive as its biggest obsessive manchild would claim it to be and its shortcomings are more and more obvious to younger people ringing it hollow again like Harry Potter.How many more fucking video essays or pretentious posts gushing over Iroh do you think we need?
>>151917752>Is there an actual feud?Yes and no. Cameron copyrighted the word "Avatar" so now Byrke can't use it in the title of their works and they don't like it, they also don't think it's worth the legal battle to go up against Cameron. Hence why LoK was just LoK and didn't have "Avatar" in the title.
>>151917923The more a series gets glazed by those nostalgic to it, the more people who watch or even re-watch it after years end up seeing its faults because it was treated as something flawless.I watched it as a kid, I remember liking it as a kid. I remember Tales from Ba Sing Se, I remember all the big character arcs like Zuko's redemption or Sokka becoming a leader, I remember Toph, I remember Jet, I remember all that good shit.I am literally afraid to rewatch it as an adult simply because all the constant talk of it being flawless makes it feel like I'm gonna see the flaws way more than I would have if it were simply remembered as a really good show from our childhoods.
>>151916489Should I watch ATLA if I never seen it? I'm 34 btw
>>151917984>>151917888I think the Netflix boost (when the original show first came on Netflix during COVID) didn't helpYou suddenly had all these people watching it for the first time repeating the same annoying discourse decades past PLUS the nostalgic people rewatching it and jerking off to it and it just annoyed the fuck out of everyone outside
>>151918017No, you aren't missing anything.
>>151918017Yes, it's great! Amazing show with great cast, great development, great magic system and just overall great vibes.Also go ahead and watch Korra as well. It's lows are way lower than ATLA but it's highs are just as good IMHO. Korra is a very unlikable bitch in her own show but I feel like that's kind of the point and if you're into sexy hot grannies, the show is full of it
>>151918037I'd argue that the trinity of this is Teen Titans '03, Avatar the Last Airbender, and I wanna say Samurai Jack, maybe?BTAS would be a contender but has enough "no we all agree that was pretty mid" episodes like "Batman in my Basement" and a lot of the TNBA run.I feel like there needs to be at least one to complete the trinity here.
>>151918017Yeah its real good.Good story, fine voice acting, great action and visuals.
>>151918099>Teen Titans '03Are people still seething over TTG?
>>151916489Literally revitalized MTG on pure nostalgia alone since Spiderman shit all over the place.
>>151918099It's a generation FAR later but it'll probably be The Owl House in 2035 when it's not longer treated as this darling that was taken too soon but also to round out the three "big" channels
>>151916489>>151916588>>151917517>>151917888>>151917923>>151917984When JK Rowling went public with her trans views. The HP tranny lovers were looking for a new fandom and property to latch onto and they chose Avatar and One Piece.
>>151916489Maybe selling out to the Tumblr crowd was a bad idea
>>151918254>One Piece.I've seen fans of other Shonen series' say that while One Piece fans may laugh at how lackluster other Shonen series' finales are, there's no way One Piece's will live up to the hype and if that happens, if Oda drops the ball, EVERYONE they made fun of will come swarming like sharks
>>151917796>blueskyATLA had a pretty big cultural impact, the problem is this impact was back in the late 00's and by now we're just used to anime influenced western media.
>>151917796ATLA did have a notable cultural impact but only among the fans who got into the animation industry, or the people who worked on ATLA going on to do their own shows. Hunter from TOH was based off of Zuko and Jaune Arc from RWBY was based off of Sokka (nevermind how big of an influence ATLA was on RWBY). Zuko in particular is one of the reasons why "redeem the antagonist" was pretty trendy in the mid-to-late 2010s. Korra pretty much spearheaded having animated Strong Women girlbosses on TV and of course, lesbians.>>151918254The liberal Harry Potter fanbase REALLY wants a substitute for the IP but doesn't really get that nothing else can replace HP.>Percy Jackson and other boys' YA? Too anti-escapist and not materialist enough.>Anime about magic schools? Not enough romance and too conservative.>The latest fauxnime? Too much violence/sex appeal and irony poisoning.Not even ATLA or One Piece can qualify because both are in the same camp as the MCU in terms of not being appealing towards normie women (moms and would-be moms). It's like what Oda said, mothers are anti-adventure, which is why they gravitate towards COMFY adventure stuff (such as Harry Potter, Ghibi movies, and Disney princess flicks) and not...ATLA.
Filing away the "ATLA had no cultural impact" rhetoric as something to troll about the next time some nog complains about the wannabe shonen slop western studios have produced for two decades.
>>151916489Didn't they just have a huge collab with Wizards of the Coast and release an Avatar set? It must still have some relevance.
>>151918318RWBY is irrelevant TOH didn't draw dimes>>151918320Anime itself caused thatNot Avatar
>>151918099The DCAU in general while still beloved has had its sacred cow status put under scrutiny by surprisingly enough, zoomer fans of comics.The biggest Superman fans will tell you Superman TAS isn't a good adaptation and will quickly cite Dini and Timm's indifference to the character compared to Batman
>>151918256Bryke is really stupid because they don't understand that the demographics that revolved around Korrasami were the online Yurifag and femslash crowds who overlapped with the diehard ATLA community who treat anything Bryke make as flawless.Appealing to Yurishitters, femslashers, and diehards is a good idea in the moment but they're not the average fans, nor are they ones who actually spend the most. It's always the mothers and children who engage with a boy's IP that are the most valuable. Boys will buy the action figures and playsets, girls buy the clothes and accessories, and the moms buy up all the cute little knickknacks to decorate the house with or trinkets to use for the baby. Circling back to Harry Potter, that's why it remains a big hit among families. Boys dig it for the adventure and action, girls like the comfy mystery element and friendship, and moms like how "safe" it is while thirsting over Snape.
>>151918328They collab with everyone. I think they even did one with sponge, so probably just close ties with Paramount.
>>151918382>it is while thirsting over Snape.You mean Alan Rickman right?Book Snape is a fucking asshole
>>151917752>>151917723I saw people discussing it and that Avatar: The Last Airbender while good is still "just a kid's cartoon"They're right
>>151918410All of James Cameron's work is just soulless man.
>>151918017Watch ATLA but be aware that the online fanbase overrates and overhypes the shit out of it. It is great, but it isn't THAT great. Certain aspects of it have aged well, other aspects not so much (namely Aang's entire character being done dirty by the writing).>>151917984The problem with ATLA fans is that WAY too many of them are high on nostalgia like Disney or Nintendo cult followers. They tie too much of themselves to what they enjoyed as kids, and they're not even well-informed about what they worship, which makes the obsession more annoying. There's nothing worse than someone jerking off what they liked growing up but then not even being well-read or honest about it.
>>151918444Aang is a good character
It all comes back full circle huh
No, Aang is a GREAT character with no flaws.
>>151918410They are. Bluey gets praise for the same reason. People don’t expect much from a kid’s shows; when they have ok writing and storytelling, it’s like the second coming of Jesus. But then you pit ATLA against adult entertainment and the juvenile cracks become obvious.
>>151918457>>151918473People say this but that's not really true. A lot of Aang glazers are just people who are upset that Iroh and Zuko get more attention than him but aren't ready to swallow the black pill and admit that Aang doesn't really have much left to work with due to how ATLA dished out the emotional-thematic throughlines for the other main characters. Aang could be replaced by an animal or a magical object, he's THAT much of a plot device in his own narrative.>>151918490ATLA also shows the cracks when you pair it up against shonen anime or even older American animation. Or even just actual fantasy adventure YA books from the 2000s.
LIKE FULL CIRCLE
Aang is the greatest protag of the 21st century
>>151918516I love ATLA but I think the fact that after so long we almost still don't have anything EXACTLY like it in western animation in writing, structure, world building, and artstyle that became even close to as popular became a detriment against it because as it stands, Avatar has to (on paper) hold everything it represents for itself (unless we count anime)The closest equivalents (by default) tend to be adaptations derived from already established works and/or drop the ball by the end>>151918490>>151918444It's also jarring that while there are a few overly defensive people in a fandom as per usual, the people who are fans of more juvenile, less critically acclaimed works are on average less defensive about their hobbies and how they're not "art"
>>151918063Don't listen to this anon, Korra is mid/forgettable at best. If you care too much about interesting characters or a competent narrative or consistent worldbuilding, TLOK is not the show for you.
AANG IS THE GREATEST MAIN CHARACTER EVER WRITTEN
>>151916489>cultural impactGet an actual argument
>>151918564It's such a weird pattern of behavior.>Stuff made for VERY young children: the fans are chill>Stuff made for tweens/young teenagers/families: the fans are fucking annoying/insane>Stuff made for adults: the fans are very chill
Avatar is a perfect showAang is an amazing character
>>151918516>Or even just actual fantasy adventure YA books from the 2000s.Can you name them?Not even trying to be rude, I'm just curious
>>151918597I think it has to do with critical acclaim as wellThat and what genre the media itself is inEd, Edd, n Eddy is a kids cartoon, the fans can be annoying, but it's consistently called one of the greatest slapstick comedies ever made and actually holds up against contemporaries regardless of demographic
It's so weird how much better Avatar the show is compared to most live action works. Ut creates a much more compelling world than anything in live action AND it delivers on all of its arcs perfectly and with nuance. That's why its still talked about and why people forgot about James Cameron's slop after 2009 until he forced the sequels on everyone.
ATLA is still better than most anime
>>151918601Certainly, I read a lot as a kid.>Warriors (but now all the kids love Wings of Fire...)>Animorphs (thank god these still exist)>Powerless and Super >Jack Blank (why this didn't get a movie or TV show astounds me)>the Witch and Wizard series (it even got a "manga" which holds up) and Maximum Ride>Spiderwick Chronicles>Percy Jackson>Alex Rider>CHERUB
>>151918644Avatar is better
Were Wakfu fans ever snobbish about their series because only the French had it?I just remember it as one of the cult classics old /co/ would have
>>151918644>WarriorsDude seriously?Every fan I know will admit the series is a mess with characters dying only to come back for no reason
>>151918597>The Muppets/Jim Henson>Spiderverse>ArcherYeah, it fits.
>>151918674>The Muppets/Jim HensonMuppets were for all-ages, not for extremely young children and Henson himself wanted his art to be taken seriouslyIt's why the Dark Crystal bombing devastated the guy
>>151918017Yes, its great
>>151918644>>151918516ATLA being a cartoon made by Nick really holds it back.>it can't be too graphic or get as dark as YA books commonly pump out (seriously, the amount of gore or violence or tonal shifts are nuts)>it can't have the kind of sex appeal or action that shonen regularly features>it can't go the route of Star Wars pre-Disney and expand beyond being family-friendly (no Dark Fantasy for you)
>>151918712>(seriously, the amount of gore or violence or tonal shifts are nuts)It's because soccer moms can more easily walk in to their kids watching something on tv but not what they're reading from the local library
>>151918712Honestly Korra was close to the first oneI distinctively remember Anons jaws dropping when this happened instead of Korra just one-shotting the Red Lotus 4v1
>>151918740This death was cool as fuck and I thought it was wild they included it in the show.
>>151918759Hell, Ming Hua's corpse was outright shown on screenSure there's no blood so you can make the argument she was unconscious and THEN she died off-screen but still
>>151918740Korra made a decent attempt, but the problem with TLOK's depiction of violence is that it feels too self-indulgent and borders on ryona shit at a certain point. But that's mainly on Bryke liking shock value and not actually using what they were allowed to do more wisely.It's always a "LOOK AT WE CAN DO NOW WHOA ISN'T THAT CRAZY" sense of framing. It gets boring/predictable, that "whoooa this isn't for KIDS anymore" crap.
>>151918622>delivers on all of its arcslmao definitely not for Aang, he was missed/wasted potential from start to finish
>>151918660Wakfu lived and died based on the comparative quality of its animation and the cheesecake.
>>151918516Lore show fans are to the cartoons what YA novel fans are to literature
>>151918811It’s weird how this is absolutely not true at all. Aang ended the war AND on his own terms. Only gods can manage that. Not just that but got the girl too. You can cope all you want but he got the job done.
Aang as a character peaked when he saw Gyatso's skeleton
>>151918836The largest consumers, insufferable, and primarily women who write fan fiction?
>>151918850>on his own terms>just don't pay attention to the ass-pull and plot device (or how the "you need to KILL the Fire Lord" throughline is something that didn't need to exist in the narrative to begin with)>or how Kataang is underdeveloped
>>151918473>>151918516Aang's issue IMHO is that, at the time, when we had a pretty solid range of protagonists in the broad genre he was in either concurrently or within short terms of when ATLA aired, his quirky peppy softboy struggling with responsibility thing was more or less enough to work with and the flaws were forgiveable because ATLA was offering something relatively unique for its environment which kinda smoothed them out, but decades later and in a vacuum where Aang is kind of one of the ancestors of what evolved into useless kinda gay hippie boy protagonist/sidekick, without the dozen or so shows with protagonists that he fit nicely as a complement to, the weaknesses of that angle and the problems it causes in the narrative hit a lot harder.
>>151918286>>151918318It's a reference of the Avatar fandom snickering to the Cameron's movie. Don't over think it and just see it as a shitpost.
>>151918444>namely Aang's entire character being done dirty by the writing).that and shipfuckery made this shit unwatchable on rewatch.
>>151918959I feel like if ATLA ever got a reboot, it should make Aang into the main character proper and take some more cues from shonen anime. Have Aang actually be a bodhisattva hero like Sora or Naruto or Luffy or Wander from WoY. Or someone like Superman or Captain America. A little Monk paragon who is the most emotionally mature and stable person in the room, and actually have the "kill Ozai" problem mean something.>Aang spends the whole series helping people heal and grow, and giving second and third chances to people who would otherwise be written off or abandoned>despite this, everyone is demanding that he kill Ozai>but Aang sticks to his principles and discovers a way to stop Ozai without bloodshed (tie things back into the theme of "everything is connected", Ozai gets temporary Ego Death and surrenders)
>>151918893That anon basically proved >>151918444 point. high on nostalgia and probably hasn't watched any other similar MC who wasn't a wuss who had everything handed to him in the end.
>Been getting into kid comics in the past two years>It's all good, fairly comfy with some better than expected writing, and I don't have to deal with annoying peopleHow badly would it all go to hell if it stopped being an extremely niche interest?
>>151917923Wait, which Avatar are you talking about now? Because Cameron's is the same movie 3 times with decreasing appeal each time (the industry has caught up graphics-wise) and people still go every X years to fork over a billion dollars for...I'm not sure why actually. I guess Disney has poisoned the box office so bad that a totally neutral,movie is like water to a dying man.>>151918673Is this from series three and onward? Because that's definitely not a problem initially.
>>151918521types of anons I could think of for current year>AI anons: ADAPT OR DIE LUDDITES. Ignores any criticism against it, more than likely jerking it to their own generated porn>Dall-E anons: somehow still not tired of generating the same 4-5 looking images>Brown Girl Show Tribalism: I really don't give a shit enough to care nor know how this dynamic actually works cause I don't like any of these shows implied here>Cartoon Waifuposters: Only posts and cares for cartoon girls. They usually get called pedo>/co/ Nostalgiafag: Remembers the good ol' days of /co/. More than likely too old than they would like to admit that they still stay here past its prime>Schizos: Barely comprehensible>ESLs: Barely comprehensible
>>151918410Not only that, it was a kid cartoon in Nickelodeon. It was miles ahead of anything that network usually could share.
>>151919126Pretty bad.>Teenagers and young adults will pervert the IP (boys will make it into edgefests, girls will turn it into coffee shop AUs, fujos and yurifags will turn everything gay, and both sexes will make increasingly degenerate pornography)>Midwits and non-readers will parrot the worst and most uninformed of takes, analyses, and reviews until it overrides canon
>>151916489>Becomes associated with the same negative connotations plaguing Harry Potter and its fanbase with arrested developmentHuh?
>>151918017It's not a very long series, so why not give it a try?
>>151916489going off what the fanbase is like the fanbase deserves every part of it
