>>151928835
Damn that would've been better than a generic race-bent rehash

>>151928835
Is it really revisionist if Hades was the God least likely to backstab you out of pettiness in the original myths?

>>151928835
While doing "villain BUT GOOD" movies has historically proven to be absolute trash, it would have been nice to see Hades portrayed like how he's supposed to be portrayed - that is to say, not nearly as much of a fucking dickhead as the rest of the Greek pantheon. Honestly the only real "evil" thing he ever did was the abduction of Persephone, and even then that's mostly a pop culture reinterpretation/misunderstanding of the original myth.

>>151928835
Part of me wants to go
>actually that would have been cool
but I know theyd fag it up. Robotically aping source material is their only hope of not fucking it up, but that won't happen.

>>151928983
>Honestly the only real "evil" thing he ever did was the abduction of Persephone
didn't he imprison some dude just for coming to the underworld or something

>>151929432
Hades told Orpheus he had to do just one little thing and he would let his wife go and he still fucked it up

>>151928835
This is about the fourth time they entirely redid this
Maybe finally admit the idea is shit and not do a Hercules live action instead of trying to force it through due to a one-film abnormality of Stitchfags being massive consoomers?

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>>151928835
>faithful remake
>but also we're totally changing the story

hmm

>>151928835
GOD I JUST LOVE SHITTY LIVE ACTION REMAKES
OH DADDY DISNEY SHIT IN MY PLATE SOME MORE
MMM-MMM
THAT'S-A GOOD EATING

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>>151928835
They should do a movie where Hades fucks his daughter

>>151929432
The only time Hades ever imprisoned anyone just for "showing up" was Pirithous, and that's because that retard went to the Underworld specifically to kidnap Persephone and make her his queen. The fact that Hades JUST imprisoned him and didn't rip his ass apart for trying to cuck him still proves that Hades had a lot of fucking restraint.

>>151929532
>This is about the fourth time they entirely redid this

No, it isn't.

>>151928835
why would you make a movie centered on him? he's literally Aides

>>151928983
>>151929432
>>151929518
>>151929604
Greek mythology nerd here.
Hades is a similar dickhead to the rest of the pantheon but we don't really see it as much because he sticks to his domain which provides significantly less opportunities for him to act like a dick.
The Persephone myth is a strange one because we have multiple ancient written translations from different parts of Greece and while in some she eats the seeds of her own accords, in some he tricks her into doing it, and in others he outright forces her to eat them.

And the latter two are much more in line with his larger characterization.
The common reading of Hades is that once he has a soul, he doesn't let it go because he is very stringent that what's his is his in terms of things in the underworld. A personification of death's finality.
The same goes for Orpheus. The common reading is that Hades deliberately gave him a task he knew would be impossible and in some versions, it's he himself who mimics her voice near the end to make Orpheus turn right before she fully steps out.

>>151928835
That's the only character it would fit for if they tried making it more in line with the original myths.

>>151928835
Did they decide against this because James Woods is conservative and Disney can't allow a conservative to be the misunderstood bad guy?

>>151928983
This is why I like Hades the video game.
Its one of the few depictions of the guy where hes not some all big-bad-evil-dude, hes God of the Dead and is just trying to do his job.

>>151928931
True but Disney's Hercules was by far the best part of the movie.

>>151929703
Disney's Hades, I mean.

>>151929432
>didn't he imprison some dude just for coming to the underworld
literally his whole job is imprisoning people in the underworld

>>151929687
Hades the greek god of death

>>151929730
I mean that would actually be thanatos, hades rules the underworld

>>151929618
Yes it is
>1st attempt: Traditional 2010s Disney live action film
>2nd attempt: Tiktokules
>3rd attempt: Hades focus film
>4th attempt: Now

>>151929721
Because of James woods

>>151929669
>The common reading of Hades is that once he has a soul, he doesn't let it go because he is very stringent that what's his is his in terms of things in the underworld.
I think this is a key point to remember because unless you personally piss him off he doesn't really care if you enter the Underworld while you're still alive, unless you try to take a soul back with you. It's a big reason why he didn't bother too much with Odysseus and his crew (though truthfully they were a bit more openly afraid of Persephone than Hades, so that might have had something to do with it).

>>151928835
They weren't, you're misreading it.
What happened was they went from
>Hades is the bad guy, he's trying to take over Olympus, the plot is all about Hades in this regard
to something probably more like
>12 Labors of Hercules, Hercules has to prove himself, Hades might get a cameo or a mention but probably not due to James Wood having it in his contract that he gets to play the character

>>151929752
Is there a major distinction between being a god of death and a god of the dead?

>>151929769
>1st attempt: Traditional 2010s Disney live action film
>2nd attempt: Tiktokules

Those were the same thing.

>>151929669
The myth of persephone gets even weirder once we try to get to the origins of her name.

>>151929787
>James Wood having it in his contract that he gets to play the character

In animation.

>>151929788
You rule the afterlife vs you are the responsible for all deaths.

>>151929797
I saw that video too. Reframing Persephone as what amounts to a horrifying abomination that can be summoned if you say her real name makes me respect Hades a hell of a lot more.

>>151929811
>You're either a king or a clerk

>>151929816
Yes, and there is stuff like the above mentioned interaction with Odysseus.

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>>151928835
... Well, that would have made more sense than Maleficent or Cruella. He was worshipped as the steward of the dead, a role he still had in the movie. And in the myths Zeus himself is the third chief deity after having usurped his father who had usurped his father, a fact that is semi-acknowledged by the movie, so it's not like Hades' ultimate goal in the movie is anything unusual for a Greek god. Finally, the gods operate on morals that are not equal to human morality, a lot of what they do may seem wrong by human standards but not for gods. His deals with Meg in the movie may seem cruel but he honors them, he gives her back her freedom and Hercules regains his strength when she is mortally wounded, despite being the villain he is still a man by his word.

>>151929788
Hades isn't "the God of the Dead". He is the God of the Underworld. The Underground.
When the Olympians defeated the Titans, they divided up the universe by lots. Zeus got the sky, Poseidon got the Ocean, Hades got the Underground, and they all agreed to share the surface or keep it neutral. Most stories, including Disney's Hercules, frame this as Hades getting a bad deal. However, it was not and in fact he got the best deal if you look at it in a certain way. Hades got ALL of the riches underground, all the gold and all the gems. And he got Tartarus, which the Olympians use as a political prison. And, almost as an afterthought, he got an area named after himself (Hades) where souls go when they die. They were probably going there before he named it after himself, or had anything to do with it.
So while Hades does rule the dead, it is more like he rules the serfs on his land than has any special command over said serfs. You're on his property, and are unable to leave.

>>151929977
Everyone assumes that because Zeus got the Sky and Poseidon got the Ocean that he must be upset, but like you said, he has all the riches and more over - EVERYONE who has ever lived will eventually be subjects in his domain. Princes and Paupers, the Loved and Outcast, all become his in the end. What did the other two get? Poseidon got the second best of the lot because he got all the fish and creatures of the sea, but given the current state of the world, all the pollution, acidification, and culling of everything thanks to overfishing, ontop of being unable to hold a country the way the Earth can, I think he's definitely suffering. Zeus meanwhile gets the air - whats up there? Nothing of import other than inclimental weather.

>>151930043
Interesting note about Poseidon, he was the God of Earthquakes and Horses as well. Each God had their own little circle of related concepts, even if their relation was very tangential.

>>151929977
Mythology Hades never really seemed unhappy with his lot in life or asked for anything - IIRC the only thing he ever asked Zeus for was Persephone, which made sense considering Zeus was Persephone's father, so Hades was going through the proper channels for his marriage, and the only hiccup was that Zeus failed to mention any of this to Demeter or Persephone herself until it was far, far too late. The oldest known account of the myth places the blame for everything that happened with Persephone's abduction entirely on Zeus, and even then it was a moot point because Hades and Persephone have one of (if not THE) most stable marriages among the gods. So not only does he have the best kingdom, the best political leverage by way of Tatarus and the most respect from mortals out of all of the Olympians, but he also has the most loyal and loving wife he could have asked for.

>>151930078
Most people would kill to have a relationship like they have. If I remember my readings correctly, Persephone was the one who managed to convince Hades to allow Orpheus to try his hand at pulling Eurydice out of the Underworld, and it was only after his impressive solo-act that he listened to her.

>>151930078
I wouldn't say he had respect - rather, people preferred simply not to talk about him because death is scary.

>>151930409
fear is a kind of respect

>>151929432
Said dude was trying to NTR him. Krazy Gluing him to a chair was sensible and proportionate response.

>>151930078
And then Zeus raped Persephone by transforming into Hades because of course he did.
>I call upon Melinoë, saffron-cloaked nymph of the earth,
>whom revered Persephone bore by the mouth of the Kokytos river
>upon the sacred bed of Kronian Zeus.
>In the guise of Plouton Zeus tricked Persephone and through wiley plots bedded her;
>a two-bodied specter sprang forth from Persephone's fury.
>This specter drives mortals to madness with her airy apparitions
>as she appears in weird shapes and strange forms,
>now plain to the eye, now shadowy, now shining in the darkness—
>all this in unnerving attacks in the gloom of night.
>O goddess, O queen of those below, I beseech you
>to banish the soul's frenzy to the ends of the earth,
>show to the initiates a kindly and holy face.

>>151928931
Yes

>>151929752
No not really Thanatos is the personification of death, largely for dramatic purposes. He lacked major cult centers or any real worship as a major deity. Hades is the god of the dead more properly than he is the god of death itself, but since he also visits his divine wrath on anybody who tries to cheat death in a form of almost animistic theodical interpretation, he's also quite literally the divine visitation of death itself.

>>151929687
honestly it's more likely that it's because Woods was doing a Jay Leno impression and nobody knows who the fuck that is any more

look at the chin on Disney's Hades and tell me that's not a direct reference to Leno, who Woods sounds like and adopts the mannerisms of, you can't deny the obvious similarity

the fact is neither would anybody have any idea who James Woods is other than some old crank on Twitter now, so it's not like they'd be fighting against his reputation because he just wouldn't register with the intended audience or their parents

truth is, James Woods hasn't worked on anything high profile in years and his career, largely through his own choice, is over; but he also appeared as Hades in three projects related to the Disney centenary (none of which anybody cared about) doing his Jay Leno impersonation

>>151931486
It's not for dramatic purposes. Anthromorphizing various concepts was key to the Greco-Roman worldview.

>>151929432
If you are talking about the stunt Theseus pulled with his friend that was 100% justified.