https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-zZqrdybGE>El Guapo vs The Narco Vampires comes out>No threadCringe!
>>151930784pretty good.Had to stop myself 1/4 of the way through the pilot because I don't want to be spoiled too much if it's later on getting a proper animation.
>>151930852Yeah, pretty much where you should stop.
>>151930784It's always funny that American cartoons about Mexico are always>"Hola, me llamo Miguel! I live in a small town with mi familia and have wacky slice-of-life adventures!"While actual Mexican cartoons are like>"I am the greatest luchador in history! I will travel to the Underworld and challenge Mictlantecuhtli, the Aztec God of Death, to a wrestling match!"
>>151930784pic related finally exists
>>151930886I'm tempted to continue later, but I also wondering: How long would their actual production length be for this kind of animation? It's a 40-minute pilot, and they have only just made the 3-minute (partial) opening.>>151930922>>151930945Can't believe this meme is proven right.
>>151930922Its because all the second generation Mexicans in America get self-conscious and let that anxiety poison their brains into wanting to depict their existence as justified in a country that isn't theirs.Mexicans born and raided in Mexico know who they are, they know what they like, and so feel free to indulge in their culture free of fear.
>>151930965>in a country that isn't theirsSuppose only a fraction of the white people who larp as being pure European trying to blend in with their "home countries" would understand it isn't that much different from being biracial; you don't belong in either place. By people like you, not American because we're not "white" (but being black is fine), and by Mexicans you're also seen as foreign (despite looking the same).
>>151930957I find this image fucking funny because Mucha Lucha showed a whole lot more of love to Mexico and lucha libre that it almost edges past El Tigre in terms of mexican rep. That show was made by like an Australian jew and chink.
>>151930784I like the chicana werewolf girl ese
>>151930965That is literally the plot of Primos
>>151930999Mucha Lucha was a fun show for what it was. Wonder what it would be like with modern animation tech.
>>151930965>Mexicans born and raided in Mexico know who they areI know you meant "raised", but I can't help but laugh
>>151930999Reminder that Mucha Lucha also had a kino LatAm Spanish dub that only mamaged to make it even more perfect.
>>151930784>no mention of hong kongone job
>>151930784>pilot starts with a pee jokeHow much toilet humor there is?I usually watch these things while eating dinner, so I want to check if I better finish my meal first or not (and depending on the level of toilet humor, I sometimes lose my appetite)
>>151930922>random liberal/half-breed decides to make a cartoon depiction of his childhood or what he imagines like in mexico is like>real mexicans/ethnic people just understand their situation is shit so they romanticize all the crazy mythos in their cultureBased? Happens shockingly often.
>>151930784What’s the deal with zebra donkey? Like is this just something he came up with or is there a deeper thing to it?
>>151930994You hit it on the money.>Be me. GerMexican.>Wealth of culture on both sides of the family.>Express favoritism toward the German side, called a Nazi.>Too pasty/No Sabo for the Mexican side.>Weird middle point. Learning Russian and became friends with Russians online who think both sides are cool.It's strange
>>151930994>but being black is fineBlacks have their own identity crisis bullshit going on.
>>151931148It's just a reference to Tijuana where Sandra Equihua is from and I think they both lived some time in.
>>151930957everytime this image is reposted, the guy who made it rips off another one of his teeth with plyers.
>>151931154Work with you can, anon. Godspeed on your Russian.>>151931179Sure, no doubt, but at least they're accepted as being American, which was my point.
>>151930784Pretty good overall, hope more comes of this. I don’t want this to die.
bumpu
>>151930957jejeje
>>151930994Light skinned Mexicans are actually on their way to being the next group integrated into "American Whiteness" which is the cultural demographic I was referring to, it may take few decades longer by they will fulfill the same cultural niche in the southwest that Italians do on the east coast.I also apologize if my wording offended you, I was not trying to imply anything about you being lesser or the like, just that Mexicans have not properly integrated in yet and so that causes a lot of the kind of cultural anxiety that gets in the way of one capability to make cool shit.>>151931179>>151931357I read a book about the kind of topic you two were talking about in regards to the American meat packing industry.From the Hispanic side of things, most first generation immigrants see their black coworkers as lazy, incompetent, and unworthy of their citizen status when compared to how hard the Hispanic workers work.In contrast the black workers don't think about the Hispanic workers at all unless interacted with because they are wrapped up in their own struggle as the bottom rung position of those with citizenship status.If I had to compare the two situations, the Latino struggle is one of not yet being a integrated part of American culture which poses serious immediate risks, while the black struggle is that while they are citizens the time for them to be integrated as a whole is long past leaving them as the perennial loser of the "American dream".Bad now but will eventually be resolved with time vs less bad but permanent.
>>151931121No surprise.
>>151930784That was fun, but unless an indie company picks it up I dont see it becoming a full show
>>151930784Neat!
>>151930784Pretty fun and enjoys its own absurdity Hopefully it’s either crowdfunded for a few more episodes or picked up.
>>151931283The context is... depressive, jaja
>>151930784How does he come up with such cool premises, may be a bit biased since I'm from Tijuana and I know how nasty things get here, forcing you to turn bodies into tacos is a very narco thing to do.
>>151930922It's because some people are deathly afraid of being 'unsensitive' about cultural things, but at the end of the day people just want cool stories, not a plastic, artificial thing.
>>151931148It's a zonkey, we had this tradition of painting donkeys as zebras because they were difficult to see in photos a century when cameras were black and white, the tradition was kept either way even though they've been replaced with fake donkey props recently since they had to stand at the Revolucion avenue for several hours a day.
As an el tigre fan, this gives me a little hope.
>>151931154Whats oktoberfest like? Asking as an asian. Or how do you feel about oktoberfest?
>>151931154Wheeeen did your German side come to Mexico??
doodled a loba
>>151932112Je je bueno
>>151930784All those shows that keep going for the "y2k" aesthetic, i think this is the only one that feels uniquely 2007-2009, Cartoon Network.
>>151932331Artstyle direction wise sure.
>>151931515What book ?
>>151931850Funny that you mention that, just recently the last movie of Juan Lopez montezuma was re-discovered after being lost media, and is about a lady making tacos out of a kid dead body
>>151930784This is basically a professional Netflix animated pilot, which is no surprise given Jorge’s experience. That said, I understand why he went indie for this project, because while it has his old cartoony style, the story is way more violent and sexual than anything he’s done before. I can see execs getting confused when the story shifts from wacky cartoon kids to a guy getting drunk on a strip club, all with the same energy. I don’t mind it, and I think most people would be ok with it, but execs are too stupid to see beyond basic labels.I don’t know whats the future of this because Jorge is involved in other stuff, he’s not jumping to be full indie, he just signed a deal with WB to make a Speedy Gonzales movie. But I hope it goes somewhere, I think releasing this massive pilot will at least take weight off his shoulders.
>>151930784amazing, but I'm a bit disappointed it isn't dubbed in spanish
>>151931515Desu most third generation hispanics only have a very loose grasp on the Spanish language in a similar way to what most Italian Americans knew of Italian by the 1940s. That was the turning point where Italian Americans started to be more broadly accepted because the language/cultural divide melted away a lot faster once they were pretty much all English-speakers that peppered in some funny Italian words here and there. Same thing with Poles on a more regional level. You're already starting to see a lot more relaxed outlooks towards them now that a growing number were born and raised in America and barely know Spanish.
>>151932449I imagine that he basically released this to see if anyone was even interested at all, since pedigree doesn't matter for crap these days, and if he finds out people actually want more El Guapo he'll spend his spare time finishing the pilot before setting up something like a patreon or whatnot dedicated solely to the production of El Guapo and keeping its fans updated on its progress. I doubt he's hurting for money, with how many projects he's completed, so he won't have much incentive to cut corners beyond any animation restrictions or the voice actors being unavailable due to other work.
>>151930999To me it was really random that mucha lucha used "donuts" as a punch line... But I guess making it random is funnier than just saying tacos or churros like el tigre did some times.
>>151932624Mexico has its own form of donuts, and donuts are a bit more universal than churros
>>151931515The Mexicans disdain for Blacks while coming from a Country ruined by Cartel violence and corruption is weird. You'd think the Mexican side would have some semblance of respect for Blacks for putting up with American bullshit long enough to not get wiped out>From the Hispanic side of things, most first generation immigrants see their black coworkers as lazy, incompetent, and unworthy of their citizen status when compared to how hard the Hispanic workers work.They can't build houses for shit and leave Modelo cans and other beer bottles everywhere, they're tolerated for never complaining and working for pennies. I have a buddy who checks how well the houses they build stand to code and they almost never do so he has to argue with who's ever in charge to get them to redo it
>>151932448As someone who lives in a cartel hotbed it genuinely sucks, I pass by them as they're pushing carts and I have to pretend like they're not carrying bodies to be mutilated, you can smell it.
>>151930999I used to think that the show took place in mexico when I was a kid, la pulga is a very beloved character also with his exaggerated chilango accent.>>151932651I've never liked churros much myself, I don't like stuff that's covered in sugar in general and that slightly burnt taste that they often have
>>151930999MUCHAAAAAAAAAAALUUUUCHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAthe best part about it is the opening song from a mexican band https://youtu.be/QvLiFox7elQ
>>151932730Mucha Lucha is basically a great concept with a 6/10 execution but an 11/10 fucking opening. Sometimes I'd just watch the opening before changing the channel to something else.
>>151932744lol I did the exact same thing. honestly can't even remember anything but the opening.
>>151932744I wouldn't be surprised of the mexican dub was more enjoyable, it was fairly popular here.
>>151932112Nicely doneCan we get one of her being tsudere with a human?
>>151932068Technically the Mexican side went there.>Dad was in the army>Mom worked on the base in Stuttgart.>They hit it off enough that they married in six months, had four kids with me the youngest.>>151932065Always wanted to go, no one ever around to celebrate.
>>151932744Mucha Lucha is what helped drive my interest in shit like Kinnikuman and Tiger Mask, so I could never talk smack about it. Though I suppose if I did have a gripe, it'd be that we didn't get to see more of The Flea being a heel wrestler since he was clearly a Rudo hanging out with a pair of Tecnicos that's too fond of kids and his friends to truly go bad.
I can't believe he was able to get Grey Delisle and John Dimaggio for this
>>151930784One minute in and I'm alrwady laught at Mexican Calvin pissing on Mexico.
>>151932331Considering the creator also made El Tigre it checks makes senseI expected this show to be dumb fun but I didn't expected to get hit in the feelsAlso I know that reference
>>151930945I never really passed spanish class what does this mean?
>>151930784Despite his bad takes on Twitter and the fact that his work is often more style than substance, there’s still something admirable about Jorge and the persistence he’s shown over the past 20 years. That dedication has brought him to a point in his career where he can do projects like this for fun, rather than churning out corporate slop or staying stuck in the same niche like many of the cartoonists who dominated the 2010s.This was genuinely a delight and didn’t feel “safe edgy” like a lot of other indie adult animation. It told a solid emotional story about redemption while also having a genuinely cool premise and setting. Overall, it feels like a more mature version of El Tigre, which is the highest praise possible, especially since that show always felt like it was held back and cut short by being made for kids.
>>151932825You mean like before with his other stuff?
>>151932652That’s why I don’t want Mexicans to win or have any power in America. They’ll just abuse black people cause they’re sociopaths.
>>151930922As expected of a culture raised on Saint Seiya and Dragon Ball instead of Adventure Time.
>>151933105Yeah but I would assume they cost quiet a penny seeing as they're in the professional industry
>>151930784He defended Primos.. nah but i find it funny that spics where mad that he didn't join their stupid blackash over a Disney series
>>151933357It got canceled so who gives a fuck
>>151933357He also defends the use of latinx. He’s a cool dude, but that doesn’t mean he’s right about everything.
>>151933357Hey we said we liked the guy we never said he was perfect.
This does feel like el tigre mixed with el superbeasto It's got that fast paced comedy and crudeness where if one joke doesn't work it's quickly replaced with one that does
>>151933468I wonder if we'll see an adult Manny and Frida.
>>151933357I never understood people getting angry at it, to me it just looked like another meh cartoon. I guess that day people had nothing to complain about.
>>151933357It's ok and frankly not that inaccurate, it just became the internet's target and punching back that everyone jumped into.
>>151933167Retard
>>151933555Marketing, basically. Disney tried to promote it as their version of the Cassagrandes aka Mestizo bait show when it was specifically a los angles slice of life. It's basically the difference between going to taco bell and going to a "real mexican" restaurant, 90% of the people going to either won't care about the difference but the 10% that care will REALLY obsess over it.
>>151933555Latin Americans thought it was a show taking place in Latin America and not about a second generation girl growing up in Los Angeles, so they got mad at the inaccuracies that were meant to reflect the fact that the character wasn't really from Latin America.
When you've seen one Jorge Gutierrez project, you've seen 'em all Doesn't mean El Guapo isn't still fun as hell, I'm glad he made this happen instead of getting fucked over by yet another mainstream studio
how many million views does it need to be successful?1M or 10M?
>>151933938Depends on who you ask but typically if it breaks 10M with in the first month
>>151931148If the show became Iconic, Zebradonkey girl costume would become a trend for a little at least
>>151933833Im still waiting for him to adapt El Santo at some point.
>>151934017It is year of the horse next year
>>151932112thanks rattie
>>151930999>That show was made by like an Australian jew and chink.Never would have guessed that. Thought at most maybe there was a Kinnikuman fan among the creators but I wouldn't have guessed Australian Jew and a Chinese.
>>151930784very cool
>>151930784The story seem really personal and direct, So was wondering how would they fit all the characters in the intro, or how much time would they get.Specially because we dont know how long could be planned to be?
Do you think at some point it could mirror or reflect of how the Narco lures kids and take them away. by having the Vampires just turning kids into vampires and use them to get away with some crimes because nobody want to punish the kids?
>>1519363809 episodes, at least so far. The pilot is listed as chapter 1. So if it's specifically episodic, that's about 5 eps to deal with the mummy, the werewolf gang, the flesh golem, the chupacabra, and the fish man, and three eps to focus with Don Draculon's cartel, and that's assuming they aren't interconnected and thus sharing spotlight
>>151933357Spiderverse directors also defended Primos only for spics to spam them with Miguel pics saying that he would be dissapointed.Dude it's a cartoon for Disney Channel
>>151934017just one is a Zebronkey in the "final" version
>>151932903Guero is a Mexican with light skin, Balazos means bullet shots
>>151936424oh yeah, just found it in the description of the video.nice to see that it have a start and an end. if it gets made, it would be pretty solid
>>151936405So this is chiquidracula
>>151930957>Can't believe this meme is proven right.but that exact pic was made to shit on jorge gutierrez for being a total chicano
>>151937180Honestly doesn't disprove the point that most white sjw types that claim to care about hispanic people only really want to see the most basic bitch version of it presented in children's cartoons. Cause they totally do.
>>151932437On the Line: Slaughterhouse Lives and the Making of the New South>>151932610Yeah, the big indicator is the surrendering of the "mother culture" and allowing it to become more of a prop than any real part of ones lives, see also plastic paddy's coping about their grandparents surrendering to American whiteness.>>151932652>>151933164That's the thing, Hard Work /= Good Work, when your a first generation immigrant coming to America from the south, your coming in part because the effort to pay outcome is dramatically better even as a non-citizen and in this they get to see the ghost of the classic American Dream where Hard Work is the deciding factor. This ghost spurs them onwards and in turn causes resentment because hard work and taking it can get them far enough, and so when they see their closest equivalent in the system but have that same ethic and yet be higher in fosters resentment.
>>151936661Güero is actually slang for Blondes, not just white skin. Some use the more 'cleaner' 'Rubio'. But both work the same.Quick example: Wally Beetles/Numbuh 4 from Kids Next Door's LatAm dub name is ''El Güero' Torres'. Mainly because he is blonde.
>>151937263Yeah you don't get the picwhole point is that people like gutierrez bastardize mexican culture for the sake of brownie points with sjws.His shit is basically "safe horny". it's still muh 5 de mayoisms, just with gore and tits and the stupid pretense that the norteño bordertowns represent 100% of mexico, which is arguably what actually triggers the actual mexicans.
>>151937346I think your fanfiction needs work, dude
>>151937388You have no counter argument and revert to coping.here, garth ennis describing the gringo mindset to a T.
>>151937488>Garth Ennis>The man who got buckbroken by the Captain Nationalism of a different country from him
>>151937519god damn you are seething
>>151937572No, I'm laughing that you are citing Garth Ennis as an authority on anything, considering the sad fuck has his own gay-ass idolization of aspects of british culture that are on par with what you bitched about in >>151937346 . Even if I will readily concede that spamming skeletons and aztec imagery isn't inherently more respectful to mexican culture than just spamming tacos and the occasional spanish kindergarten word and just as pandery, you honestly come off like such a mealy-mouthed cunt that whatever point you make means I have to call you out as a baby anyways.
>>151930922There’s a reason Dragon Ball is insanely popular in Mexico. Mexicans love that macho Luchador shit
>>151937629Holy shit stop side stepping the argument. What Ennis describes is exactly what Gutierrez, who is born in mexico but raised in the US since he was like 10, is doing.All this because you are basically schizoing out trying to appropriate a shitty facebook OC made 5+ years ago by another mexican (shit a third unrelated mexican turned guero balazos into a webcomic months later) who was *specifically* shitting on Gutierrez appropriating the mexican identity and putting it into that norteño-chicano blend to score brownie points with his cali beanmouth clique.Imagine starting a social fight on the internet because you out yourself as clueless on an nilotic basket weaving forum
Was a nice thread til schizos started sperging out
>>151937815>What Ennis describes is exactly what Gutierrez, who is born in mexico but raised in the US since he was like 10, is doing.Not really. It's a bitter Irish-American going "Everyone is a poser but me" while being one of the biggest posers in comics ever. If you say that's what Gutierrez is doing, then I sure as fuck don't believe you.>Imagine starting a social fight on the internet because you out yourself as clueless on an nilotic basket weaving forumSo, yourself? Got it.
>>151938156>It's a bitter Irish-American going "Everyone is a poser but me" while being one of the biggest posers in comics ever.How the fuck did you manage to misread the page?Ennis is giving shit to all the >muh heritage muttinos saying they are all still gringos in the end.Shit like half of ennis' comic career is shitting on US culture. Every character on the boys is a parody of an american archetype or celebrity.>So, yourself? Got it.Sad, sad theater kid.
>>151933167Don't blame Adventure Time if half these guys haven't grown-up in the 2010s
>>151930784Is there a sex scene?
>>151938205Half of Ennis's comic career is using his comics to kick down strawmen of cape comics over shit that he's just as guilty of, especially when it comes to edgelords that he treats with disdain while writing crap like The Boys with all the mental awareness of a five year old playing with turds calling someone smelly. He bitches about American Imperialism while giving British Exceptionalism a pass, he bitches about cape comics being filled with sociopathic bastards while fellating Nick Fury and Wolverine, and his characters all talk about how disgusted with how cynical and defeatist the public is while writing characters that save for Superman don't have a single sincere bone in their body.Frankly, fuck Ennis. Mick bastard can go fellate himself over his enlightened opinions in his basement alone. The Boys is a cancer upon the comics industry, and so are you for liking it.
>>151932922Bad takes? I’m out of the loop. What are his twitter takes?
>>151938307Your world is just too small I think. Half the comics ennis wrote weren't parodying capeshit or supeheroes, they were disguising real life people or pop culture as superheroes and shitting on themBut I think you are too much of a sperg to no be fooled by one simple trick
>>151938279NoBut there is a lot of ass slapping
>>151938070They'll get tired eventually
>>151938345Ennis's Judge Dredd comics were crap, which he admitted was a product of his fanboyism making him afraid to be willing to change the status quo in favor of fellating Dredd. Hellblazer was okay.Hitman was decent to meh, he really should have just used Section Eight once instead of bothering to redeem Six Pack.Preacher was shit.All of his war stories make it clear the man is both the biggest fanboy of war stories and the worst person to be writing them, considering he accuses everyone but himself of having their own stilted version of WWII but can't help but commit the same deeds himself when it comes down to it.Dastardly & Muttley was shit.And so on and so forth, dude always inserts cynicism into everything and acts like that makes him enlightened when it just makes him shit.Hell, you going>they were disguising real life people or pop culture as superheroes and shitting on themmeans that his worth to comic books is on par with South Park, which is basically the "Everyone is stupid but me" of cartoons and social commentary.So go choke on a dick.
>>151933641Fine, fine, I'll just blame...literally all American animation apart from Primal.
>>151932652both white and black people dont like mexicans either. i've experienced racism and discrimination from both.
>>151937180No, it was made to shit on Victor and Valentino
>>151938332Defending Primos and "Latinx" shit stuff that is vastly unpopular with spanish audiences
That was fun. Hope it gets picked up
>>151930784that was easily the best indie pilot I've seen which isn't a surprise given its from a well established industry vet. It's refreshing seeing an adult cartoon that uses animation for gags and is actually nice to look at(even if it isn't fully animated yet). I really hope this gets a full series but I'm not holding my breath since Jorge has a lot on his plate and the animatic hasn't gotten crazy high views yet
>>151938422Shit nigger i did not come here to discuss fucking ennis. He wrote a page that's true within context, i don't give a shit about the rest.>>151938657oh shid, my bad
>>151939471>He wrote a page that's true within contextI don't agree it is, given who's writing it. But I can leave it at that if you're not interested in arguing further.
>>151938307Isn't Ennis an Englishman from North Ireland?
>>151938612Mexicans should stop brown nosing against Blacks for Whites and maybe things will start looking up
>>151938612good
>>151930999Mucha Lucha was also vector animated so its one of the few shows from back then with a clean 4k upscale
>>151931283i REALLY hate the whole Jew racism shit... but things like those are making very hard for me to defend those long nosed dicks.and for the record about FICTIONAL Jews: Kyle is just as bad as cartman, and not really a good Jew role model... if anything, he's WORSE.
>>151939541Blacks aren't going to treat Mexicans (or any other group that's not black) well regardless if they suck up to Whites or not
>>151939840Probably not but other races hurt themselves trying to cozy up to White people. It's really easy to get manipulated for a chance of the American Dream that was never promised to you specifically
while not the highest amount of auts on this board it seems to have gone up when the Sun went down.
>>151940062El Anon VS. Autistic Vampireshttps://youtu.be/DOhmqHsFNaI?si=Wocy567ikwgAaxij
I feel like this thread has veered off course from the narco vampire hunting luchadores
>>151939941That's the thing though, its happening and has happened before, it just didn't for black people because of both how hard reconstruction was fucked after the civil war and the deep psychological resentment that comes from the simple truth that from the start to be Black in America came with an expectation of being consumed and if not consumed discarded.And yet (assuming your black from how your talking) you persist in a country that has deemed you worthless outside of entertainment. Which is an admirable exhibit of endurance but also a different context.
>>151940335The 4th post in the thread was /pol/bait and it dips between the two topics.
>>151940335And there's only one fan art of the hot werewolf gangbangerDon Laguna looks cool, I hope he's not just a one-off
>>151931283Good.
>>151933833I mean I've seen all his works besides El Tigre and that one Oz film he did character designs for and they just have so much personality plus adore his character design. Maya and the Three is probably my favourite work of his from the action, story and just an excellent main villain with Mictlan.
What happened with book of life 2
>>151937519It's so funny how assblasted he gets about Captain America when that's a character actually made by war vets when Garth never served despite obsessing over army shit.
>>151938307Great points but just wanted to say ironically Ennis hates Wolverine, it's Punisher he fellates since he did that crap kills the Marvel universe comic.
>>151940662There's probably some weird rights logistics since Disney technically owns the film now even if he can have the characters appear in his other works.
>>151940662Was that supposed to be a thing? Did we get robbed of more Skeletwins sexo?
>>151930784>40 min. why
>>151941272There's a lot to cover
>>151933252Actors will work for sag minimum if they like you enough
>>151941272How much time did you want?
>>151940352>And yet (assuming your black from how your talking) you persist in a country that has deemed you worthless outside of entertainment.Going back to Africa didn't pan out, the former slaves enslaved the locals. Blacks back then really didn't like African's too much and I can't say the relationship between the two has gotten any better thanks to griftersIt's also much easier to stay in America because here you have connections with others like you which can form protection, rather than move out of Country and have to deal with a new kind of problem with no connections
>>151940137
>>151930945>>151930957Zoomers...
>>151941272Maya and the Three had like 40 minute episodes and that was a great length
>>151940335kinda hard to keep the course when we know all we have is an animatic, an animatic of a full 40 min ep. but an animatic anyway.not to mention we dont know if we will get more eps after this...
>>151941405>>151941272Maybe wait for the TikTok that narrates all the plot and the characters actions with an ai voice for 5 minutes
>>151934017I like how he said the thing mans
Is the brother voiced by the same guy who voiced the dad in El Tigre
>>151941968No but his VA is in there as additional voices
