Pymcucks can fuck off, IronWasp is the GOAT.
The only good thing Janet has going for her is being hit by a man.I mean literally if Hank never hit her she probably would have eventually been written off or killed but BECAUSE Hank hit her she's important.
>>151964103Ironfrost is better thoughabeitever
>>151964156Absolutely not.
>>151964103>Eating up a Dan Slott pairingAlso I have a suspicion your that schizo making the annoying copypasta of terrible ideas like Ultron should be Tony's creation or the weird Loki fixation. If not then you've just got awful taste regardless.
>>151964103Ironbat is better thoughever
>>151964103The best ships often get the most backlash especially from racist white men
>>151964103I think Carol is a better match
>>151964340Wrong pic sorry
>>151964103>Slotto gives us Tony/Jan>Cantwell gives us Tony/Hellcat>Duggan gives us Tony/EmmaI know this is just a symptom of a wider problem that most superheroes don't have a supporting cast anymore, but I hate how writers keep pairing Iron Man up with random heroines instead of just creating a new love interest for him, or bringing back one of his old ones.I wouldn't be surprised if OP is that dog-raping Lokifag, Hank Pym is one of the many characters he has an absurd irrational hateboner for.>>151964132Jan's one of the original Avengers and the first female member of the team. She might not have gotten her leadership run in the 80s without the chain of events the slap led to, and other Avengers heroines may be more popular and more important than her, but just being there first meant she'd probably never have stayed gone for long.
>>151964493HOLY BASED
>>151964497Wish granted. His new love interest is Contessa Valentina Allegra de Fontaine while she is still in a "heel" phase.
>>151964497It's odd cause they don't even really pair Ironman with heroines that'd make sense so it's just odd, it's like when Spider-Man hooked up with Mockingbird it's just odd. Like Moon Knight and Tigran getting together at least made sense since they have history. Though suppose I can't judge to much as I really like the idea of Hank Pym and Rita Demara as a pairing but at least there's some sense since she's using his costume, fought his ex wife and the humour of her going after another guy Janet turned down. Also yeah Janet honestly gets neglected, it's mental that she was only playable in a notable Marvel game with Ultimate Alliance 3 despite being a founding Avenger.
>>151964493>like clockworkNice. BFWM is also beautiful. but if you're just a sad racist it changes nothing. both couples kid will be mixed and beautiful aswell.
>>151964203yes
>>151964591That's just as annoyingly random. She's still a villain? Are Hickman's dumb retcons to her from Secret Warriors still canon?>>151964601Jan and Tony did have history back in the early 80s just after Jan divorced Hank, so it at least made more sense than Hellcat or Emma, which was just Mark Waid throwing a random idea out there to see if any other writer would pick it up and run with it, and Duggan did.As for Jan getting neglected, it probably says a lot that most guys who waifu her are all about EMH Wasp, not the comics.
>>151964999There are many stupid retcons that are still standing because other people aren't interested in fixing anything.
>>151965204I think most of bad retcons from this century that aren't "actually this character is gay" can probably be traced back to Hickman.
>>151964103I like how the second Slott left the book literally everything he did with the character was forgotten
>>151965454Remember when people thought Slott might undo that retarded retcon about Tony being adopted and instead he doubled down on it just like Benis did?
>>151964103Was the divorce controversial back then?
>>151965281Remember when Janet and Havok were a couple for years and years? Remember when they got marrried? Remember when they had a daughter?Remender who wrote that again?
>>151964999I suppose Tony and Janet hooking up just feels kinda sleazy despite their character history with how AI Tony shat on Pymtron, that one panel where Hank sees Ironman unmasked and especially adaptions having him steal creating Ultron which inherently doesn't work cause everything notable and important about him as a defined villain is cause he is essentially the insane robot son of Hank. Though this topic has reminded me that in recent years I've thought that Controller/Basil Sandhurst would make a good rogues gallery transplant for Hank Pym.
>>151965865A lot of things Remender was doing just got cut short because of Hickman's Secret Wars and Remender left Marvel and never came back.Some day someone will remember that kid and have her show up as an adult raised by Kang, he's done it with children of superheroes 3 or 4 times already.
>>151965865Remender also killed Hank and merged him with Ultron but he also has those fun panels of Scarlet Witch saying that being a mutant isn't comparable to her Roma identity or just how much he still makes X-Men fans and also Bendis seethe with how he had certain characters view the whole mutant identity thing. Janet and Havok Is a stupid pairing though, like I struggle to think of good relationships that Janet has been in after splitting with Hank cause they've mostly been bad.
>>151965952You think Kang will ever try to get a gal again since the Ravonna thing isn't working out and I don't think he's tried anything with Cassie Lang despite his younger counterpart/Iron lad's fondness for her. Also yeah Kang has a lot of kids both adopted and bio doesn't he?
>>151965936When characters who've been on a team together for years and are virtually a surrogate family for each other start going from fixed, long-lasting couples to a sort of random dating rotation it becomes pseudo-incestuous and really sleazy in the way it always involves one character cucking his or her friend. It also requires people who've known each other for years to suddenly develop feelings for each other out of nowhere, or we get a retcon of how they always secretly felt lie this, and so always wanted to cuck their team-mate.I'm not going to read too much into 2010s writers using Tony or anyone else as their mouthpiece to attack Hank as being anything other than the writer's unsolicited opinions on Hank Pym. And I'm not going to take issue with the MCU changing Ultron's origin, as the circumstances surrounding the Ant-Man movie and the long time it spent in development meant Hank was off the table. The origin change was the least of MCU Ultron's problems.Controller is an under-used Iron Man villain, and versatile, he's a mind-control villain AND a physical powerhouse, but Tony's entire rogues gallery seems to be too under-used and mistreated.
>>151965972>Scarlet Witch saying that being a mutant isn't comparable to her Roma identityWhich she talks about like it's a religion because the speech was originally written about being Jewish until the editor told Remender that Wanda isn't Jewish. He just changed one word in the script instead of rewriting it to make sense.>he still makes X-Men fans and also Bendis seethe with how he had certain characters view the whole mutant identity thing. He made the X-book writers seethe too, Bendis and Peter David both wrote angry rebuttals to Havok's speech in their books, even though Peter David had Strong Guy make almost the exact same speech back in the early 90s.>Janet and Havok Is a stupid pairing thoughI feel like it's a plausible one night stand or short-term relationship, but Remender used a time-skip to jump to them being married with a kid, and that wasn't so plausible for either of them.
>>151966092Yeah it can't be said enough how besides some of the obvious big names, how neglected Tony's rogues gallery is which sucks since I actually quite like a lot of them and Armored Adventures showcased how well a bunch of them can be done well if you have any ideas at all. Hell Mandarin has been discarded for years and got killed by Punisher of all fucking characters after already being dead for years, Melter has been a more prominent character in recent years between being the only villain of a Morbius miniseries, being pals with Shocker and 8-Ball in that Star Lord on earth run or him melting Tony's car in Cantwell's run which just has Blizzard, Controller and Unicorn be OOC mooks for Korvac. Also yeah I still love Ironman as a character so I don't hold that shit against him anymore then I do what Bendis did to Scarlet Witch, Carol Danvers and many of my fave niche bad guys. Honestly Psycho-man would also be a perfect Hank Pym villain, like I've got a lot of ideas if I did a run of fun villain interactions he could face and especially giving some neglected characters spotlight besides my guy Hank.
>>151966010Kang's oneitis for Ravonna is too well-established by this point, I think. Anything else is likely just an alliance of convenience or just for the purpose of breeding an heir. The only other woman he's shown any fondness for in modern times was Mantis, despite the attempt to retcon away The Crossing, they were still treated as "we have history".>Kang has a lot of kids both adopted and bio doesn't he?Kang and Immortus have two different but identical sons named Marcus, as for stolen kids>Wanda and Vision's kids during The Crossing, even if it later got retconned>Archangel's kids who became the Apocalypse Twins>Jan and Alex's daughter>Also Black Bolt and Medusa's sonIt's weird, but it's become a recurring Kang plot by now.
>>151966160Yeah the development for the pairing is just rushed and bizarre plus the fact it gets ignored afterwards just makes it weirder. Also yeah writing X-Men just fucks up your brain for a bit for some reason, like it makes writers really petty and petulant like what happened to the Inhumans, Avengers even if a writer previously worked on those books before doing X-men it's just bizarre. Also forgetting Wanda is Roma but instead Jewish is odd but I think that's just a consequence of acting like Magneto is actually her dad and the consequences of that retcon which doesn't benefit either character honestly.
>>151966160I feel a very strong urge to have a random bad guy call a mutant Genetically Challenged since "X" Challenged itself is a mostly negative term now.
>>151965516I forgot about that stupid adoption shit. Didn’t Aaron retcon it in his Avengers run?
>>151966268Yeah Kang isn't exactly a champion of woman rights, Busiek even made it a very prominent part of his discussions with Marcus but I actually kinda like it since it shows being in the 32nd century doesn't erase someone having very iffy views. I remember thinking Kang and Black Cat had very fun interactions in Mackay's Avengers but yeah Nathaniel is pretty much never gonna get over Ravonna despite the fact they've betrayed each other, killed each other and are just a temporal and romantic mess.
>>151966229I think Mandarin got killed off because Marvel are scared of using him in any way because some people will cry racist. They have a point about how he was originally drawn, but some of the revamps to him over the years were actually really cool, and it's deprived Iron Man of his long-established archenemy for years.IIRC the current Melter isn't just a legacy villain, he's one of those randos who Hobgoblin sold an existing villain costume and weapons to. An anon here had a neat idea of it actually being the original Melter's son being forced to buy his dad's costume back.Psycho-Man is one of those villains that every Marvel hero should get a turn fighting, his manipulations are a great way to showcase what's going on inside a hero's head and what makes them tick while also giving us a fight with a cool Kirby-designed bad guy.
>>151966284>Also yeah writing X-Men just fucks up your brain for a bit for some reasonI don't know whether it's something about X-Men and The Metaphor that just breaks their brains, or whether it's pandering to the audience and what they want.>Also forgetting Wanda is Roma but instead Jewish is odd but I think that's just a consequence of acting like Magneto is actually her dadShe was only retconned into being part-gypsy in the 80s because someone decided Magneto's wife was a gypsy. It wasn't something that was intended by Lee and Kirby, it's all just retcons imposed on her because of what Marvel were doing with Magneto. Then, suddenly in the 2010s, casuals on Twitter and Tumblr decided this was the one important thing about her.>and the consequences of that retcon which doesn't benefit either character honestly.I don't think any character has ever benefitted from being retconned into being related to another character. Especially if that other character is more important and more popular.>>151966302Sadly, even Peter David dropped "Genetically Challenged" pretty soon, but bringing it back could be funny.
>>151966337You might not believe it but I'm actually the anon that came up with the idea of Bruno Horgan's son having to buy his own inheritance and dad's mantle from Hobgoblin, it adds an extra layer to why he's so damn bitter and miserable in all his appearance besides the fact he got divorced and has leukaemia plus 8-Ball has the I just came back to life lmao corner pocket already.My all time fave reinvention of Mandarin both in characterisation and design will always be his Armoured Adventures rendition, everything about that version just perfectly comes together and makes his rivalry with Tony Stark just perfect on countless layers. Also yeah I think Khan has long since grown past his supposed racist foundation and it's so easy to modernise him effortlessly as several writers have already done.Psycho Man is so neglected despite having a rad design, I think him fighting Hank would also work on the extra layer that he's a really tiny guy from the Microverse in a giant robot suit, like all the elements are there for them to face off organically and the psychological element is the cherry on top.
>>151964685Faggot lmao
>>151966453Yeah I don't think relation retcons ever benefit except i think Janice being Tombstones daughter was near until Zeb Wells got his hands on that plus yeah honestly the mutant metaphor has just gotten so bad, especially when it causes the characters to compare it to real prejudice which just makes it really bad or having that obnoxious bit of Laura lecturing Kamala about the Avengers not being real heroes which is also so dogshit especially for the fifth time it's been done.Honestly Scarlet Witch is a really neat heroine but there's a lot of odd elements to her like the heritage retcons, Bendis demonizing her plus making her mentally ill just cause he loves villifiying that a lot plus just other odd choices that frankly simplifying her to just a reality warping mage that bangs Vision, has Quicksilver as a brother and works with the Avengers after a short-lived villain stint is enough.
>>151966453I don't remember Magneto connection to Wanda and Pietro coming up in X-Men when Claremont was writing while he would show up and do things in Vision and Scarlet Witch and West Coast Avengers, so must have been a bit of odd phone tag.
