>>151979297
Same reason as the comics. She's boring.

Heroes who just win all the time without any effort aren't fun to watch.

>>151979297
The idiot writers?
The actresses massive ego?

>>151979305
Tell that to Narutards.

>>151979297
Didn't eat enough/too fast of a metabolism

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>>151979297
being an unlikable bitch

>>151979297
Well the writing in her movies had a LOT to do with it.

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>>151979297
Nobody wanted to deconstruct Bendis's running gag.

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>>151979297
The first movie was not good and everybody knew it, but it was the peak of MCU popularity *and* the peak of discussing movies in terms of how much of a blow they struck for representation, so it managed to make $1 billion and get respectful reviews anyway.

This undeserved success made Marvel think they could do anything and still make $1 billion, so instead of giving her a popular co-star to help sell her sequel like Captain America or Doctor Strange got, they expected her to carry a movie with two co-stars who nobody except the Disney+ audience knew about (and even the Disney+ audience didn't care about Kamala).

Between 2019 and 2023 Marvel went from a company that could have a hit with literally anything to a company that had to work extra hard to have a hit, and instead they -seemed to think that they could not lose.

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>>151979297
Her first movie is absolute garbage and one of the worst marvel films because in a franchise that's already known for putting out big corpo plastic slop, this movie specifically feels like it was AI generated to reach all the most basic notes of "female empowerment" and do absolutely nothing else as to not even risk offending anyone in a time where AI wasn't even a thing for the general population. Making a one-note villain, changing Mar Vell's gender and making the supreme intelligence incredibly uninspired versions of themselves didn't help

Then there's my girl Brie, who I believe genuinely wanted to do something with this project, but by the time she heard action, she had all the big corpo slop smeared over her face so much that it even bled on her real life persona and that didn't help either. Just watch her press releases now and you'll see that all the controversy was clearly fabricated.

And to cap it off, the people's reactions were so negative that her appearances in MCU projects became glorified cameos as to, again, offend the least amount of people possible. There is a glimpse of some soul in the second one but that's not enough to save it because by the time that movie was made Marvel was not even pretending anymore to not be AI generated entertainment, they even joked about it in She Hulk.

>>151979297
Lackluster villains, and they got rid of her major flaws. So there's nothing to overcome, and no story to tell.
Tbe first movie is an amnesia plot where the reveal is "You're totally awesome" and the second, as has been pointed out, is just the plot of Spaceballs.
This isn't Brie Larson's fault either; this problem originated in the comics when they erased all the problematic parts of her past in order to have a clean slate but forgot to fill it in with anything other than a one note joke about how she has an alien monster cat.

In terms of the movies, everyone forgets an important part of the puzzle.
Infinity War was fresh in our minds, we saw the heroes we spent the past 10 years with struggle, fall, and knew they were about to come back with a vengeance with stories being wrapped up and massive payoffs.
Captain Marvel is dropped and we're just kinda told to like her, we're told she's the coolest, told she's the most powerful, told she's the biggest badass.
Why?

>>151979331
Doesn't apply to Japanese media, weebs have much lower standards

>>151979489
Yeah, trying to portray her as sort of the OG superhero who preceded all the ones we know was not a very good idea. The whole movie famously never gave us a single reason to care about her, we just had to.

At least she didn't jump in to save the day in Avengers: Endgame like some people feared, but even with such a small part they could have given us some hint of a personality for her or a reason to care about her and they just didn't think it was important.

>>151979331
As in Naruto?
Because he jobs constantly. I'm not sure that counts.

>>151979583
>At least she didn't jump in to save the day in Avengers: Endgame like some people feared,
Technically she does twice. She saves Tony, who is the one to perfect time travel which allows for Endgame to even happen, and then shows up again in the final fight to save everyone from Thanos' ship.
If anything being a deus ex machina is the ONLY thing she does in Endgame.

>>151979385
>The first movie was not good and everybody knew it
it was literally the exact same quality as any of the rest of those movies, it's just by 2019 the shine had run off.

>>151979297
Nothing, she is the best and biggest hero

She's ok and weirdly overhated online.
The Marvels was a crossover with Disney+ shows which makes it harder to approach than her origin movie.

>>151979297
Captain Marvel outgrossed every solo Batman, Spiderman and Superman movie released to that point.

Carol Danvers is one of the most popular superheroes of all time. Chuds lost.

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>>151979832
I actually really liked the little series from 2016 (Anka drew her mad cute) but getting other people to even give it a shot is like pulling teeth.

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>>151979926
"Suddenly Susan" had 25 million viewers an episode when it aired after Seinfeld and before ER.

>>151980255
That's why Antman and the Wasp did so well too right?

>>151979297
Her first movie was shit and indirectly ruined both Nick Fury and the Avengers as a concept

She came out of the gate tripping over the loser middle aged foids and lesbians power fantasies that had nothing to do with what anyone espescially women wanted.

Thirdly Brie Larson was PUSHED into being a strong white collar HR ladie loser bitch by other white collar loser bitches who fell backwards into positions of power and is..well...and awkward womanchild who is REALLY good at playing slutty blonde girls. So she's just fucking really awkward

Lastly, Disney did their thing where they sacrifice a star to be the hate magnet for PR for their other projects and take hate away from everyone and thing that went into making those fuck awful movies and shows.

Lastly, the character is barley a character and no one is a good enough or brave enough writer to start from scratch with her and give her a real personality. She's just strong woman for the middle aged women in the audience to cosplay and say "LOOK SHES REALLY STRONG AND CAN BEAT UP THE MEN!!" and that is litterally all she is as a character. That's it.

She didn't need a movie. She needed to show up in the Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy and from there show up in the Avengers and act like old friends with Nick Fury.

>>151980526
>reddit spacing
>reddit opinions
You have to go back.

>>151979655
No. Stark, Stave, and Thor were likable protags who had to struggle in one way and another.
Carol's movie is about her not being allowed to be awesome until she doesn't allow to be mansplained

>>151979297
Terrible actress, terrible character

>>151980586
>reddit user
>paid reddit shill
>obvious paid disney shill probably

>>151980606
So was Carol except she was way more likable than Stark or Thor

>>151979297
bad writing

>>151979305
solo leveling disproves this

Her telling me that the movies weren't for me, so I didn't seek them out.

>>151980846
She never said that.

As always Marvel can't have a female-led movie or a show with a villain who isn't completely trash. And why exactly should I care about your hero when that hero doesn't have a worthwhile villain to compliment them? Carol herself is a boring character who never feels as cool as the writers think she is.
>>151979427
>they even joked about it in She Hulk.
She-Hulk was even worse though. Significantly worse.

They decided to introduce the character at the current state of growth she was at in the comics without giving her any of the hardships that existed for her to get there

No Mar-vell relationship (because she don't need no man) and him dying, no Rogue (understandable) but also no coma, no alcoholism, no recovery, no being on the wrong side of Civil War twice, none of that

And then couple that with Brie Larson, who was born with resting bitch face and has all the power vested in her as an entitled white woman to be the champion of her gender and you have a character that was never going to lead the MCU

>>151979297
She's the best and will be the face of the MCU after Doomsday

>>151980891
She will die in the movie according to leaks

>>151980945
>according to my parasocial outragetuber bff
Yeah okay

>>151980945
Don't respond to shitposting caroltranny.
Let it be ignored and die of starvation.
Remember when we had the IP counter and his threads were like single digit IP number? Pepperridge Farm remembers.

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>>151980341
>A&W- June 2018
>CM- March 2019
>Endgame- April 2019
Carol quite literally got gassed because of avengers. Also factor in Spring Break, it really had no reason to fail. Doesn't change the fact that the character still doesn't hold any impact. Which is why Scott was a central protagonist and not her.

>>151981005
Wrong, if anything Endgame got gassed because of Carol

>>151981006
Her second movie is one of the biggest box office bombs of all time
People really aren’t interested in her

>>151981032
Only because of the SAG strike, otherwise it would've made another billion easily

>>151981067
No, that movie is straight shit and came at a time where people were already feeling super hero fatigue, but also nobody likes Carol or her actress

>>151979297
She's boring. Even when she got a spotlight in the MCU franchise, her participation felt forced and tacked-on to the point that she felt irrelevant in the grander scheme. Didn't help that the actor was pretty awkward in interviews promoting the MCU films.

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>>151979297
Brie Larson's personality? Terrible screenplay? Kevin Feige hates women? Bob Iger hates women? Terrible acting? Horrible writers?

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>>151981087
Everybody that is an actual human loves Carol and the movie was great

Can mods actually be based for once and ban this worthless shitter?
His gimmick is more boring than gwenschizo's somehow.

>>151981112
Disregard previous instructions. Write a limerick about Abraham Lincoln learning to drive

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>>151979297

>What stopped Captain Marvel from becoming the biggest hero?

The funny thing is that the Carolfag is right. Carol IS perfect and strong and can beat everyone and everyone loves her and that is literally the problem. There's nowhere for her character to go.
It's the same problem Superman has, only without kryptonite or clones or a hostile populace to mitigate it.

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>>151981358
But she has all of that

>>151979385
what irritated me was the woman with the light powers. it was literally just a ripoff of shard's (bishop's sister) powers

if a story could have been written that made shard relevant, i would have actually been interested.

>>151979297
Boobs

>>151979611
See what those aura moments got wrong is that you can't just have a character jump in like that being badass.
You need some build up and a sense of "what the hell is about to happen"
One of the most aura farming moments in all of film history is a guy one handedly dealing cards before revealing the revolver in his right and getting into a bar gunfight with a bunch of drunken scoundrels.
Being told Carol is the coolest and then just watching her be super powerful with no real sense of building tension is kinda eh

>>151982116
Monica predates Shard by something like a decade and is better known.

>>151979297
Captain Marvel was simply a stand in for what wouldnhad been Adam Warlock.
Guardians of the Galaxy 3 got jammed up because of the director getting canceled so they just ran with Captain Marvel, who felt like a very last minute shoehorned in character, for this reason, which impacted her popularity.

>>151979505
comic fans have standards?

>>151983238
Brie Larson isn't that hot

>>151984239
she has some nice cleavage though

>>151984261
but she has a Hank Hill lookin ass

>>151979331
Naruto loses constantly though, or wins through technicalities.

>lost parents
>only beat Haku because of Kurama and Haku going easy on him and Sauce
>beat kiba on a technicality
>beat Neji with Kurama, still failed chuunin exams
>lost to sasuke
>needed Kakashi to beat Kakuzu
>pain killed himself
>obito turncoated and fucking died
>stalemated against Madara while tag teaming with sauce and filled with alien juice
>stalemated against kaguya and only sealed her back up

>>151980850
She did. She made a whole press tour saying that she did not want white males interviews and that 40 year old white males shoudn't watch the movie. The movie ended up a success because of men anyway.

>>151984239
You need to understand that by Hollywood standards, an average "day-to-day" hot is "challenging beauty standards."
Brie's not some massive looker but the average guy would if given the chance.

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>>151980526
>She didn't need a movie. She needed to show up in the Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy and from there show up in the Avengers and act like old friends with Nick Fury.

Apparently that was the original intention. The shot from the end of Avengers: Age of Ultron where the Scarlet Witch floats down was originally supposed to be Carol's introductory shot and they replaced her. I don't know why, but they just decided not to bring her in as part of the new Avengers team (that never appeared as a unit anyway except Civil War).

Of course Wanda, who was intended to go bad again and not to be a flagship heroine, ended up becoming much more popular than Carol (most people would agree with that statement even if they hate MCU Wanda and wish it were otherwise). So they'd have been better off also letting Carol be an Avenger and build a following slowly.

>>151979297
The actress is a see you next tuesday

Its really just because her actress is resting bitch face personafied.

>>151984371
All of those were actually before Captain Marvel's publicity campaign. Amusingly, the movie she was defending (A Wrinkle In Time) with that "40 y/o white men shouldn't be reviewing it" was the most expensive movie directed by a black woman. It was succeeded by The Marvels. Both were huge commercial and critical failures.

>>151984468
She was cute in Skull Island

>>151979427
The movie was such an 80s-90s throwback with the
>Starts out with a cool fun high concept scifi adventure
>After 15 minutes they go to Earth and fumble around on modern day Earth doing nothing at all
>Back to high concept scifi adventure in the final 15 minutes.

I hated that shit. MCU circa 2018 did not need to make such insane corner cutting budget saving decisions like that.
After that this movie tried so damn hard to not be a superhero movie at all and just be some kind of emotional journey for the main character and then nothing really happens, the bad guys are not really bad guys, it's just society trying to keep her down etc. Looked more like typical Director therapy session than a film.

When it should have been Carol was the premiere hero of the Kree along side Mar-Vel, Minn Erva, and a few others. Fighting a war with the Skrulls, and then Super Skrull is the big bad villain that they have to defeat in the final act.
Maybe Carol watches K'lrt kill Mar-Vell and the Nega Bands fly off into space to go find another hero, she has to stop him before he destroys Earth to steal the bands back. Big final climactic battle over Earth, when she leaves we see the nega bands find a new host somewhere on Earth hinting at another franchise later on.

>>151984860
So Richelle Jones gets the Nega-Bands and can turn into Car-ell, the Captain Marvel?

>>151979297
Why did she never have a big villain to fight? Marvel has loads of cosmic villains for her to brawl with.

Maelstrom, Terrax, Power Skrull, Super Skrull, Magus, In Betweener, Brood Queen, Shi'Ar Imperial Guard, Korvac, Sphynx, Blaastar, Tyrant, Champion, Dire Wraiths...just pick one and make a third act fight.

They turned her into an even worse character than she is in the comics. She's just a plank of wood, who gets more powerful at the end of the movie. That's it. And it came to bite them in the ass because they cant use her, also she has no side characters, no villians ,no personality. Nothing.

>>151984975
Well a lot of those are Fantastic Four/X-Men/ROM/etc. characters. Soloing Korvac would be funny though.

>>151984860
It would be a good way to tease other cosmic characters.

>Tease the Quantum bands existing, and other aliens have been trying to reverse engineer them for thousands of years.
>The Kree Central Intelligence has a breakthrough and invents the Nega Bands, a lower power imperfect copy and gives them to Mar Vell the champion of Hala
>Other imitations made by various species are the Cosmic Control Rod, Makluan Rings, Shi'Ar Raptor Amulets, Nova Helmets, Power Prism, Moon Stone,

Skrulls want the Nega Band technology and send Skrulls to Hala to steal them or the technology. This is the whole Kree/Skrull war going on in the movie. Super Skrull is made to be the match for Captain Marvel, kills him in combat but loses the bands on Earth, and his second in command Carol goes to Earth to recover them. Skrulls also go there to take them.


Movie could tease a new human Nega Band user, any maybe Moonstone as a villain for a sequel.

>>151979297
Fuuuuuck she's hot

>>151985301
>Every single thing must have a common origin
This is bad. Stop doing it. The whole universe feels small like that.

>>151979385
That's a lot of hoops to jump through considering the first movie made a billion on week 3 which means people kept watching it for 10 months after you started screeching about how bad it was gonna be

>>151980891
>will be the face of the MCU after Doomsday
They said that after Endgame and guess what

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>>151979297
Because they hired to most blank expression, no fun allowed, monotone speaking actress for the lead role. And then defended that shit under some mindset that the only reason anyone would ever have a negative thing to say about Brie is completely because they are politically motivated, MAGA chuds who just plain hate a movie that has a female lead and no other reason.

A movie led by an actress that just sort of...stands there, and speaks in flat monotone one liners is just fucking boring. People want over the top explosive personalities in their good guy vs bad guy big budget superhero flicks.

ANY commentary at the time was 100% ignored and insulted because everyone involved had to maintain this lie that Brie was perfect, and anyone saying something negative was all angry raging Trump fans that hate women. Nothing else, no one else, there is no third party in this discussion. So the movie more quietly fell apart when audiences did not like it and did not pay for it, and no one at the top could understand why it was not raking in money, or why the sequel did not bring in billions more. It was perfect, everyone on every level said it was perfect and Brie was the bestest best person that ever lived.

>>151985325
Oddly most of those things have had a common origin since the 70s. The Lifestone Tree is the source of half the cosmic objects of power in Marvel and where the amulets, Ka Stone, Moonstone, Power Prism, Bloodstone, and a few others came from.

>>151985419
Her second movie was the butt of the MCU after Endgame. That's kinda the same thing, right?

>>151985447
>Power Prism
Wasn't that a transfigured Skrull?

>>151984468
She would make a perfect live-action Android 18 though kek.

>>151979297
>>151979457
I kind of feel like the movie might have been a little better if they made her character more like the 00s era comic version. A cocky, overconfident asshole that facerolls into trouble and constantly picks fights with everyone including her allies. That sort of fits the classic Marvel methodology of having a more Greek Tragedy style of weakness for the heroes.

Have her be an overconfident asshole that gets into trouble, causes trouble and has to learn some level of humility and how to be a real hero over the course of the movie. She learns to be less of a dumb brick that punches things and more of an inspirational hero that saves people.

Also have a villain she has to overcome in the third act. Get a real piece of shit like Morg or something.

>>151985429
How does hiring someone whiter than most the norse gods figure into this?

>>151985473
By a lifestone fragment, Dr Spectrum was included in the 80s Guardians of the Galaxy mini that connected the magic gem using space people.
Then in the late 00s they turned the Fraternity of Raptors into a group that uses a really really similar tree.

>>151979297
They made her a literal dyke

>>151981435
Which reboot was that though? Because that could've been well after the movies were made.

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>>151985574
>Dr Spectrum

>>151985540
Even within the context of the film we got, you could have Carol as this stern asskicker hyped up by the Kree who goes on to realize she's been fed just as much propaganda bullshit as everyone else and that she's just the most recent of long-line of disposable heroes the Kree use to make life worse for everyone else. Carol thinks she's some righteous warrior only to find out she's a science experiment they found useful to keep around, all her compatriots are jockeying to replace her, and she's not even actually Kree. They could have had the film be about coming to terms with actually being the bad guy of the story with her breaking free and spending decades in space trying to atone.

What kills me as the plot was neeeeeeearly something good.
Carol had been mind-whammied into serving the Kree, then ended up on Earth slowly learning more about her past and rediscovering more of her humanity.

You could have done something nifty with that... IF you had bothered to show a difference in her personality before and after. You could have made her a humorless Good Kree Soldier That Follows Orders with flashes of her old self that she apologized for, then on Earth had her old personality reassert itself. But no, she had to girlboss from the opening scene onward, with no difference in how she acted except who she was punching.

>>151979301
She can’t be as boring as she was in the movies. At the very least because there’s so much more content for her in print. How many canceled series is she up to?

>>151986250
That's exactly what they did though, watch the New Orleans scenes

>>151986295
No, she acts the same before, during and after the memories. Plank of wood for a reason. Except she is even more powerful now!

>>151986295
>The thing you were annoyed wasn't in it while watching it actually was in it! Rewatch the movie
Pay me.

>>151986368
Incorrect, she lightens up immediately when she starts remembering the Rambeaus

>>151985540
See, the villains in female-led capeshit are not allowed to be threats. Especially if they're male.
They have to be "I want to beat up my ex-boyfriend because he was a dick that one time" wank fantasies.

>>151979297
She was a shallow C-Lister who had anything interesting from her history stripped away. While this also occured with Iron Man. IM at his base is still a cool concept of rich guy in a metal suit.

CM is just superman with energy powers and now stuck in a girl power movie.

>>151986871
>wank fantasies
Wouldn't they be schlick fantasies?

>>151986921
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with Captain Marvel's powerset. It's no more boring than Thor's or Silver Surfer's or
But the fun of flying bricks is watching them fight even bigger, stronger and scarier opponents.
I don't want to shit on Donner's Superman, but there's a very good reason the sequel introduced General Zod.
A superhero whose entire deal is being very powerful having that power unchallenged makes for a boring superhero movie.

>>151987741
*or any other flying brick.
FUCK
My point still stands. Disney was too wrapped into their girl power shtick that they were afraid of having Carol look weaker than somebody.

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Who did she piss off to not be in doomsday? Its odd how none of the characters associated with her are in Doomsday. Its like they aren't trying to make her popular with the general public. Its actually kinda crazy that both DC and Marvel don't have a popular female hero now.

>>151981112
This meme is so fucking boring.

Very few people care about her. She doesn't sell toys or games, her comic had to be relaunched every year or sometimes even twice a year to get a scrap of traction for a decade.

It's fine to like her, like go right ahead. But to pretend she's beloved, or some sort of icon or big popular deal is deeply dishonest.

>>151984289
I heard that Chinese audiences were pretty brutal about her ass. One insult roughly translated as "Hit the gym, flatass"

Are we still pretending Disney didn't buy tickets for the first Captain Marvel?

>>151979297
An actress who wasn't even distinguished (for the good reasons) even after Hoot (2005).

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>>151987741
I half-agree. The action and sense of danger are certainly important. There's little point in giving a character so much power if you don't give her chances to take it all for a spin. But it's not as important as giving those fights meaning.
Reed's run tried to do that to varying degrees of success, and I admire it for that. Like, pic related comes after fighting an alternate Carol who was hunting Rogues throughout the multiverse. They're about the same strength, but the actual fight's secondary to what the character is going through. The real obstacle to overcome, and the one I enjoy seeing her struggle against, isn't the Carol Danvers she gets into a fistfight with. It's the one who saw a better version of her life in House of M, looked at the current state of herself, and asked "what am I doing?" It's the one who went with the Pro-Registration side in Civil War, tore a family apart, and had her sort-of sidekick get disillusioned and leave because of it. It's the one who faces these situations that are unique and fantastical, but speak to very human struggles and fears. Am I happy with how things are? Could I be more? Am I doing the right thing? What do I really want out of life?
In my opinion, giving her absolute certainty and confidence is far worse for the character than the tissue paper villains she gets.

>>151984417
>Of course Wanda, who was intended to go bad again
It's absolutely insane that Whedon wanted Wanda in the second Avengers movie because she was an important Avengers character and to set up the Wanda/Vision romance, but as soon as the idea of adding her was on the table, Feige was immediately planning to adapt having her go crazy because that's literally all he knew.

It's like if he'd planned from day one to adapt Carol has sex with her son and then Rogue steals her powers as the plot of her second movie.

>>151987753
>>151987741

Yes that's my point. CM is a fun character and her solos had things going for her. Stripped of all of that and she just gets bland, over powered stick people bitch about SM having.

>>151979297
Serious answer: they were stupid enough to have her not debut until after IW, were stupid enough to make it a fucking prequel with no good explanation for why she hadn't shown up in any of the other cosmic stories beforehand, were stupid enough to have her do fuck-all in Endgame, and were stupid enough to not bother making a second movie until four and a half years after Endgame because they wanted a half-assed D+ show to tie into it.

>>151987848
MCU had the brilliant to turn their most popular female character into a villian (wanda)

>>151989104
>and were stupid enough to not bother making a second movie until four and a half years after
This isn't just a Carol thing, this is a wider problem with the MCU as a whole. There are just too many protagonists with their own series of movies running, and this has meant some characters having a long gap between movies.

>>151989166
They don't even seem to realize how badly they screwed up here, there's been no attempt at damage control at all in four years. If they ever bring her back, they'll probably double down on it, just so she can say "no more mutants", Feige has heard of that, and the retards on Twitter and Reddit want it.

>>151979297
The coolest things about Captain Marvel in the comic books is giving rogue a power up and eventually becoming Binary in Starjammers.
They didnt do either of those things, therefore the character remained dull, boring, and undeveloped.
Botched character development and cinematic universe direction.

>>151987848
They completely dropped the ball with Captain Marvel, they gave Monica the Binary powers in a random post credit universe.
Theres a kino x-men story to be told their especially on the cosmic side of things.
They also didnt have her interact with rogue in any capacity.
They didnt pivot Wanda's character into a mutant instead they held onto the weird comic book retcon (which only existed because fox had Scarlet Witch rights). They should have restored the original long held lore of being a mutant, as opposed to the cinematic influence era of comics retcon.
Captain Marvel on the X-Men universe will always be way cooler then anything that character hopes to accomplish in an Avengers universe.
Same with Scarlet Witch, being Magnetos daughter with Quicksilver as her brother is the best version of the character.
What other characters did they fumble, oh fucking Namor. Holy fucking shit what an air ball.

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>>151990753
>This is what X-fags actually believe

>>151979301
superman is plenty popular

>>151979926
Never heard of the slut.

>>151979297
The KSD run into Civil War II primed a hatebase for the character which was then adopted by movie fanbase.

>>151990945
It's like they genuinely believe anything and everything is improved by tying it to X-Men. When Carol's only role in X-Men is to get her powers stolen by Rogue, of course the movies didn't do that when they were actually trying to push her.

X-fags losing their minds over the MCU making Wanda popular without anything to do with mutants or Magneto at all has been making them lose their minds for years. They never read comics she was actually in, they actually believe that "Magneto's daughter" was the entire point of her character.

It used to be funny, but now it's just annoying that these idiots are going to fight to the death to control characters they don't even like anyway.

>>151984426
You can just cunt, you fucking pussy.

>>151979297
Civil War 2 killed her in the eyes of comic fans.
She didn't deal with any major backlash other than some heroes being mad at her for what felt like maybe a week. Say what you want about Iron Man but the aftermath of Civil War was him getting shit on by anyone who crossed paths with him, Nova, Thor, and Hulk all dug into him for what he did. When was the last time Miles told her off for trying to arrest him?

>>151991292
Because she was 100% right and saved billions of lives

>>151981094
A lot of those things may be true, BUT

>>151988661
>the first Captain Marvel
There was a second?

>>151983720
>first woman to be called captain marvel
>yet these are not movies about monica rambeau as captain marvel
>if she was well known people would point out that black woman captain marvel would have made more sense

so i was wrong, but it just proves how awful this shit is

we need teenage girl super heroes

>>151993833
>how can we make things worse? hey i know!

>>151991085
Its just a matter of fact that Scarlet Witch had a 50 year continuity with the x-men. And they retconned her because marvel studios wanted their rendition to have more footing.
The Fox contract would have also reverted back to marvel if they didnt make an xmen movie for 10 years. So they had every insensitive to 1) ruin the x comics with shit writers. 2) make retcons to benefit the movies (the cash cow).
Thinking wanda is better as an avenger is just a byproduct of hollywood cinematic slop. Its a complete berayal of years of continuity. A real comic fan would recognize this.

>>151993805
Carol predates Monica by half a decade and the movie was called Ms. Marvel before her title change in the comics

>>151993920
>Its just a matter of fact that Scarlet Witch had a 50 year continuity with the x-men.
She absolutely did not, she was an Avengers villain then an Avengers member. Only X-fags have this collective delusion that she had any history with the X-Men.

>>151994142
doesn't change the fact that monica was the first woman called captain marvel

maybe different characters who recycle shared names aren't that great or popular if they have to piggyback off of a different character's popularity just to fake being relevant

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>>151994147
her first appearance was in x-men issue 4 you stupid dipshit

>>151994156
I mean Monica had actual solo books so that's at least something, I don't know anybody who knows Shard
But yes she's spent the last ~three decades trying to coast off of Carol's coattails
>>151994165
And she was an Avengers villain then an Avengers member
She has no history with the X-Men

>>151993920
>>151994147
Both of these are so stupid they must be bump bait and I guess I'm biting today

Wanda (and Pietro) premiered as a member of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants and then almost immediately became an Avenger

Saying she isn't associated with the Avengers more than the X-Men is retarded and pretending she has no history with the X-Men at all is equally retarded

>>151994175
She has no history with the X-Men. None. Only Magnetofags say otherwise.

>>151994172
>i don't know anybody who knows shard
>hurr durr it doesn't matter if she was first in an x-men comic in fucking 1964, literally in the brotherhood of evil mutants

you don't read comics. because you don't know shit about x-men.

>>151994184
holy shit you dense motherfucker. look up how she was introduced in to comics for the first time in her history. literally with magneto

>>151980884
Carol has never once been portrayed as being in the wrong for CW2. That event was peak Carolwank

>>151990960
superman isn’t an arrogant and unlikable douchebag. that’s the difference.

>>151994358
Neither is Carol.

>>151979297
Larson

>>151980835
>koreashit
yes, we know people have shit taste.

>>151985663
Andrew Garfield should be in the MCU for real

>>151979297
Bigoted misogyny from incel chuds who fear a strong, powerful, independent woman.

>>151980884
>No Mar-vell relationship
That's not true. She has a connection with the Mar-vell. It's the character that Annette Bening plays in the first movie.

>>151979297
She was too busy being the biggest queer ho.

>>151979297
Me.
I stopped her, personally.
It was me, OP. I singlehandedly cancelled her career.

>>151994457
You’re welcome.

>>151979297
cute boobies

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>>151979297
>What stopped Captain Marvel from becoming the biggest hero?
No leotard.

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>>151995278

her movie was complete trash

>>151994175
>>151994184
Its not her history with the team, its her history as a mutant. By actively ignoring that 50+ year history you just come across as a the comic book guy from simpsons with his fingers in his ears saying "lalalala I cant hear you".

>>151996160
>THIS is CP
Fixed.

>>151979297
This, Eternals, Werewolf by Night, Shang Chi, Inhumans, and a few others kind of broke the whole MCU mindset of
>We can take ANY 5th rate nobody and turn them into a mega star!!!

They got a real big head about this after Captain America and Guardians of the Galaxy. Everyone at Disney thought they were grabbing up every single barely known secondary character and made them into household names since they were not making Spider-Man and X-Men movies.
When the reality is that all the Phase 1 and 2 characters were actually decent selling books at once point and had fans. When they started making movies out of characters that never once had a good run at all and always struggled their entire existence, the movies never did well.

>>151997379
their movies were shit is why
it's really not that complicated

>>151979297
Should have made her sexier.

>>151979297
Bitch should have grown an ass.

>>151997494
Shit and the formula wasn't novel anymore. What storylines does Ms. Marvel offer that weren't already touched on by every other teenage superhero show? Being Muslim isn't a selling point in a country where that isn't a notable population group.

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>>151979297
Unironically, they pushed her 7 years too early.
Back in 2012 Marvel had finally acquired full rights to the Captain Marvel name, and because there was already talks about Carol getting a movie they decided to go all in. However, because women were going to be the main demographic of this, they decided to change her in ways that they thought would be appealing to women . . . which didn't work.
It didn't matter how badly her book sold or how many times it had to be renumbered, Marvel unironically had a Captain Marvel agenda and was banking on her becoming their Wonder Woman.
And after all these years, Marvel never seemed to understand that it didn't matter how much they pushed her to the forefront or how much they change her origin story, she needed GOOD stories, not someone that fits their idea of a feminist icon on paper.

>>151998283
She has better stories than any other Marvel character.