>Makes him a fag.>Finally gives him a book after.>Book fails because they made him a fag.>Batman relaunch is stumbling because faggot tim is still hatedTimbros, we will never win again...
>>151985599Has there even been a case in history where a book continues to do well after turning a main character gay?I'm wondering where they are still getting the inspiration to keep this shit up if is a commonly seen trend of killing a book.
>>151985690At this point, I think it's chinese saboteurs tanking the IP value so Tencent can buy up the company for pennies.
>>151985599He gets shafted (the narrative way not the sexual way I mean) in Knightfight too, every Robin but him gets at least one whole issue of focus, Tim gets crammed in between the end of Jason's part and the beginning of Damian's part in the same issue.
>>151985599Reminder Damian Wayne will become the default young Robin thanks to them making Tim drake a fag.
>>151985690The problem is, and has been for like 20 years, that Tim has nothing going for him outside of being Robin. Like here's the rundown of his arc:>make him Robin>kill his dad>make him Red Robin (which was for KC Dick and got used by Jason)>make him future Batman but have Future Damian brutally mog him>take Terry's suit and give it to him>make him Oz's kidnapping victim>make him Robin (again)>make him gayHe's cooked, he's washed
>>151985864It fucking sucks dude, especially because I hated Damien. But now, by default, Damien is more appealing then bi-fag Tim
He should have been retired years ago, we don't need multiple Robins running about.
>making tim gay>not the robin named dick gaysonsmfh dc blew it
>>151985878I agree with this but to expand the issue is they made Tim the "smart Robin". Dick is the physical marvel. Jason is the hot head, "anti". They tried to carve Tim out by saying he's "the detective." The smartest of the 3 and the guy who thinks most like Bruce. Clearly they wanted to imply he would inherit the cowl because of this before Damien showed up. Here's the problem: when you are in a room with actual fucking Bruce Wayne, what does it matter that you're smart? He's smarter. It's like being the smartest of Tony Starks assistants. That's nice but it doesnt mean sit as long as Tony is there. They have Tim making points or inventing shit, and I'm supposed to believe Bruce hasn't thought of, hasn't made or couldn't do either of those things before Tim piped up? He has no unique aspect outside of this. The thing he had, a functional family, something none of the other Robins had, they took away, making him even less unique.
>>151985864>Reminder Damian Wayne will become the default young Robin thanks to them making Tim drake a fag.And because he's Batman's blood son.
>>151985690Ice man?
>>151985690I think Harley Quinn's (and by proxy Ivy) still selling across multiple mediums and merch? That's probably it. Black Cat is still selling okay (but not well) but I think it's because people are either unaware she's gay or are in denial she's gay.Otherwise, I can't think of anything. >>151987136Iceman can't sell for shit. Even the books he appears in as a side character get canceled (see Exceptional X-Men).
>>151985878even taking on the name Red Robin just shows he can't move on from being Robin, like the others took new names for their new identity.
>>151986486why? he was literally the first character in dc comics history ever shown naked in bed with a girl
>>151985690Hellblazer but because it made perfect sense that someone as putrid as John Constantine was a faggot.
>>151985599Reminder
>>151985599>Book fails because they made him a fag.The book failed because the writing and art are shit. I know people like the artist but even they admit he was not a good fit for that book.
>>151985599He's the Robin who should've retired his superhero identity and just become a detective or copAlso the next Robin (because there will be one eventually) should be buff and as tall as Bruce (if not taller) for the funny dynamic
>>151987348Since when was he gay, I thought he always wanted to bang Zatanna or whatever?
>>151988102Since Hellblazer #51.
>>151987239This is the difference between when the previous Robins took on new identities, it was an intentional choice by their main writers, an intentional evolution of the character, while in Tim's case, it was Morrison deciding to make Damian the new Robin and the people working on Tim's book being forced to come up with something else with him. IIRC Dixon was writing the Robin solo book at the time and just quit because of this.
>>151987192>I think Harley Quinn's (and by proxy Ivy) still selling across multiple mediums and merch?Outside of her cartoon, has Harley being bisexual really made it into adaptations in a big undeniable way? Most of the people buying Harley mech almost certainly still think of her as the Joker's girl.
>>151988102caaaasual nu52 newfag
>>151987239and Red Robin was already Dick's in Kingdom Come, and used briefly by Jason. Tim just taking over others' leftovers.
>>151985599>>Book fails because they made him a fagDo you have actual proofs that is the real reason it failed?
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>>151985599At least he's a Dilf.
>>151985599It's stupid because it implies people aren't born gay and just get turned gay. That's why NO ONE likes when this happens.
>>151989821He's bisexual, not gay.
>>151989937Male bisexual superheroes are doomed to forever be paired with men
They should age the past Robins upTim can graduate from Robin to Robinman
>>151989937Same thing.
Tim should have never been a thing.Should have just done throwback stories for Robin and left it at just Dick and Jason.
>>151985599Fujos/fags wanted him with Kon, not some literal who like Bernard. And they took over 15+ years to do it. Most of the people who cared back then don't care now.
Tim should've been the one to become Batman for a bit, not DickDick has the Titans, Jason has being a Punisher wannabe, Tim has nothing just throw him a bone man he shows up to his job every day
>>151991186>Tim should have gotten 2 years as Batman because he sucks so muchWhat a blisteringly retarded take.Of course it was going to be Dick
If Damian is gonna be *the* Robin now then I agree that they need to do something drastic with Tim to make him not shit, making him gay isn't the answer though, every other character is gay nowadays anywaySort of in a similar vein though, he should hook up with a female villain, I dunno who
>>151988984I mean, I don't have their numbers in front of me, but Harley and Ivy are hard gay (and polyamorous) in their current mainline books. Harley's in love with Ivy, but going on a date with the series' female antagonist in like two issues, something she told Ivy.Ivy's been hooking up and practically in love with Janet-from-HR her whole series, which hits issue #40 this week. Janet hooked up with Harley too. Ivy hooked up with other women tons over the series. An entire arc was set about how Ivy was sleeping with another woman during her entire origin.Harley & Ivy: Life & Crimes, is entirely supposed to be the setup of Harley leaving the Joker for Ivy.Then there's the show, as you mentioned. Harley's also gay in the Amazon Batman show. How much more "she's a lesbian" can you really do? The last time she was portrayed as straight was Joker 2, which critically flopped. I think it's pretty firm they're keeping her gay.
>>151991530I think Robin x Orca would make a big splash.
>>151985599Imagine how much better would Bernard be if he was still a womanizing asshole even while dating Tim instead of a generic uwu twink?>Hey, Tim. Let's have a threesome with your ex, what's her name, Stacy?>Stephanie. And you and I are dating now.>Come on. Just cause we're gay doesn't mean we have to be fags about it.
>>151992161Or Bernard being a womanizer to cover for his homosexuality and used it to get closer to Tim
Kill off the entire extended Batfamily except for Dick (only because he's his own functional non-Batman character at this point anyway) and Barbara (only because she's Gordon's daughter and that's always been a nice added dynamic to the story), Batman works best when working alone and/or when he's no way fag-ing villainesses
>>151992601>Batman works best when working alone and/or when he's no way fag-ing villainessesOnly for small brained writers that can't balance out the Batfam
>>151992601Just read another character who has a smaller supporting cast then?
>>151985599https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jiGVCqMSRA
>>151992700Or they can kill off all the characters they've created since I was a kid.
>>151991186>>151991370It should have been Jason. Making it Dick was too obvious and boring looking back on it.
>>151990169John Constantine, Daken, Star Lord.
>>151990335Sure, Jan.
>>151990627DC really missed their chance to cash in.
>>151988984her cartoon made harlivy pretty popular among the general audience
Rebooting everything back to Dick as Robin solves all of DC's problems. It gets rid of the massive character bloat infecting all the comic families, the JL is now streamlined, the Titans can be about the actual Titans characters people like as teens instead of 30 year olds, Clark and Lois aren't married, and so on.
>>151990627It was a phase, and unfortunately some Tumblr writers of today just don't get that.
>>151993828Have you ever actually read the comics you talk about? You wanted Pre-Flashpoint Jason Todd as Batman. Eight heads in a duffel bag, hundreds of bodies left across Gotham, offices blown up, ships bombed in the Gotham harbor, and a serial killer spree in NYC? That Jason Todd should have gotten to be Batman?
>>151988102He did the british plug a feminine twink thingThey turned him into a massive power bottom faggot in the cartoons and mainline and he's absolutely crashed in popularity ever since. >>151991786Comics don't sell to the mainline comic fans. It sells to comic shops who are incentivized to buy it. The cartoon gets shit ratings, the live action version going bi tanked her in the harley quinn movie and her being anything but slutty party girl/bi for male enjoyment at best has killed her marketability to the normie girls. She and by extension the murdered evil femme fatale ivy are done in terms of marketability. For gods sake she has MORE potential as just a man hating maneater who was once a normie geek girl that was betrayed by a man in power It's right fucking there and so iconic that they sang about it in the illiad. Nope college dyke who wanted to bang her professor and is all human depopulation and eating pussy is how you save the world. >>151993996Not popular anymore, was never popular, comic star lord is not liked by anyone. >>151994178Well known yes. Popular no.There are NO harley quinn cosplayers who don't exclusively play for the other team are or hired by pr firms. Normie women "no-way dyke" that stuff and are back to being slutty anime girls, psylocke, zatanna, carol danvers ms.marvel etc etc. >>151987136ICEMAN IS RUINEDHe's dead as a character forever. He's a massive unironic faggot that went from just a rebellious youth having fights with his father to find his own way and hanging out with his friends and banging hot chicks to everything being shoved retardedly into the lens of homosex. He's ruined.
He rarely had anything going on ever, outside John's Teen Titans. He was even gayer back then with the Conner drama
>>151988008Batwoman's art was so good it's almost wasted on her. And that was the only selling point the character had. The moment they changed to a different artist and that creepy woman getting beaten while she's fucking her girlfriend was such heavy handed propoganda that it killed all momentum with the large established male comic fans and now she's just there because the gay agenda is strong in the DC offices.Even if they got Alex Ross to handpaint every damned panel of Tim Drake: adventures in boipussy and had Waid write it, it would STILL BOMB. The fuck are they selling too? Seriously.
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>screeching faggot making yet another of these pathetic tantrum threads pretends his opinion is relevant to anyone in the universe and no one else has ever read a comic or seen how the publishers operate at all times with every secondary property for decadeslol ok
>>151985599>make popular superhero gay>give him a mundane, extremely boring looking boyfriend who appears to be based off of butters from south park.why can't robin be gay for someone strong, tough, and exotic? why does every romance option for superheroes look like the audience?
>>151985864You say that in but the current default Robin used in comics is Dick (and surprisingly Jason to a lesser extend). >>151995526> why is this self-insert fantasy not cattering to me
>>151985864Damian was already the default young Robin. That's why they made Tim officially gay. Because he had nothing else going for him.
Literally they just need the balls to have Tim go solo with his own original name and not Robin anymore, keep it bird-themed if you must I guess. It isn't that hard, the Chuck Dixon Robin series was well-recieved as was the Red Robin series later on, so clearly people don't hate the character, it's DC who aren't sure what to do with him.
>>151996067Those books were decently written, the character's recent stuff has been shit. Imagine even the fags not liking the boyfriend they gave him.
>>151996067Robin is all that keeps him relevant. He's not Dick.
>>151992601Can we keep the dog?
>>151996067It's not that. It's literally because he's a fag.
>>151996179They need to simplify the doggie timeline. Ace should only be the silver age dog. Batman owning other dogs and naming them Ace while ignoring the original is... weird.
>>151996146Dick had a long and relatively natural progression into becoming his own character, DC have never committed the same way with Tim. Like I said, those runs I mentioned were relatively popular, the Robin name can only do so much for a character this place swears no one cares about.
>>151996431You miss my point. Dick was, and is, one of the all-time most popular characters in comic book history. Anything they did with him was going to sell, and be celebrated. Tim isn't Dick.
>>151996431Teen Titans was huge, they can't replicate that again. To be honest he should've just stayed as Red Robin, it's decent compromise between his Robin identity and being his own guy.
>>151995506I'm not the faggot anon, Tim is
>>151988102He's bi, IIRC
>>151997155Tim's never going to get out of Dick's shadow if he keeps using Dick's alternate identities.
>>151997541It's still a step up from being the overgrown extra Robin
Bunp
>>151998103It's literally just the overgrown extra Robin. Right there in the name.But worse, because it's still just Dick's AU costume.
>>151999346>ape folk heroes like Red baron or Rob Roy.Funnily enough, Jason was more successful with this without trying "Red (Robin) Hood.
>>151985599The longer I think about Fitzmartin, the more I'm just weirded out how much of a delayed reaction she feels like in generalShe's a writer who was like four years too lateHer handling of Tim and Young Justice was egregious (and even zoomer fans hated it) but regardless, she showed up in the exact transition moment where writers like her were more or less being phased out of contemporary capeshit
>>151999585Fitzmartin literally showed up, ruined a bunch of legacy characters and left.
Tim had his time. He was the modern Robin of his era, he was the first of them to get a solo book that ran for 20 years, he had the Young Justice team, and then later had the Teen Titans team be built around him. The issue is that Tim isn't a very interesting character. All he had going for him was being the modern Robin. Once he lost that he had nothing else to fall back on because the rest of the young heroes of his generation all collapsed too.
>>151985599What was with that weird series where he had a bowl-cut and looked like an anemic version of Will from the latest season of Stranger Things? He was looking like a fuckin weirdo, like he should have been voiced by Peter Lorre and referring to Batman as "Master".
>>151999346>Certainly Dick Grayson is one of the best-known super-hero alter egoes in the world and is best suited to having his original identity (presently he is Nightwing), returned to him.Alex Ross is based. Go even further, de-age him back to a teen.
>>151999585>>152000168 She's the worst kind of fujoshi fanfic writer.
All this talk about Dick being an interesting good character, yet the character literally peaked pre-Crisis forty years ago.
>>151985599>>Book fails because they made him a fag.more like it failed because they went for a different fag approach (sic) than what the audience wanted
>>151995306>Not popular anymore, was never popular, comic star lord is not liked by anyone.You didn't say popular. Stop moving goal posts.
>>151996067Play up his super detective thing more, it's a lame "niche" because Batman will always be DC's ultimate detective but it's what DC decided to give him kek, so roll with that.Don't make him go full Jason but I think he shouldn't have a strict no kill rule personally, still tries to avoid killing dudes but if it lets him get closer to the truth of whatever he's investigating have him be willing to kill, can butt heads with Bruce and Dick about it tooAlso have him & Supergirl have something similar to what Batman & Superman have going on, DC does play with that idea sometimes already.I can't really think of a bird-themed new name for him that doesn't sound gay, but then he is a fag now so that's fine
>>152001500This. Although anons here are unwilling to have that conversation.
>>152000391>the rest of the young heroes of his generation all collapsed too.People like to shit on Tim but he's still one of the more popular DC characters and his generation is still more successful and popular than the generations that came after. His was probably the last batch of heroes that obtained any sort of notoriety.
>>151988102Bi not gay but it's the same thing to chuds here.
DC just should've let them both be bi (and in denial). Jon and Damian would be the straight ones. Then we'd have kept kid Jon and kid Damian shenanigans
>>152002238>(and in denial).Why not just let them hit it off? You could've had DC's equivalent of Hulkling and Wiccan as a same-sex power couple.
>>152002238>>152002238Kon has always been into women and has had girlfriends in every adaptation he's been in over the course of 30+ years. That shouldn't have to change to make a failed character like Jon more appealing.
>>152002345>Kon has always been into women and has had girlfriends in every adaptation he's been in over the course of 30+ years.You do know what bisexuality is, right?
>>151994228Glad this got ignored lmao
I don't think anyone at DC feels he needs to change significantly, they're set on him being the Donatello of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Robins it seems.
>>152002345Jon was plenty interesting and great until they aged him up and gave him the ugliest effeminate nobody boyfriend. Fuck why age him up at all when there's already multiple super boys and adjacent floating around?
>>152002444>Fuck why age him up at all when there's already multiple super boys and adjacent floating around?Ask Brian Michael Bendis.
Hey at least he's not Connor Hawke, what ever happened to that character even? Take the Batfamily, remove all popularity they have, and have way more erratic writing and characters getting aids and addicted to drugs and so on and you have the Arrow family lol
>>152002488>what ever happened to that character even?Last I recall he came out as asexual.
>>152002321>Why in denial?To soften the blow for chuds and to milk the shipping fuel for all its worth. It's not like comics don't break up their "endgame" ships all the time (especially in Bat books, Dick and Bruce are always dating a new nobody and then circle back to Kory/Barbara and Talia/Selina for a while). Arguably we have Midnighter and Apollo already but they're a fair bit older and less well known.
>>152002355Bisexuality may exist in real life but in comics and other forms of fictional media it's merely a way to make male homosexual characters more palatable to mainstream audiences. Bisexual characters tends be in exclusively same sex relationships.
>>152001500>>152002104If thats the case, how would you have written it differently?
>>152002508>came outDoes it not piss off fags to have someone coop the term "coming out" to describe having low libido?
>>152002355>You do know what bisexuality is, right?Disgusting?
>>151993996Catwoman, Wonder Woman, Loki, Deadpool. Need I mention more?
>>152002540Instead of that whole affair with Bernard Dowd. Just have Tim come to a realization that he had feelings for Conner, first off.
>>152002548Depends on whom you ask. Gays are not a monolith. They all have differing opinions on the community and so on.
>>152002527>>151993996>>152002581
>>152002540Like this.
>>152002093>Also have him & Supergirl have something similar to what Batman & Superman have going onI've always liked the idea of Tim and Kara being a couple or at least as teammates. I wish DC did more with them together.
>>152002508>coming out as not being interested in sexIs this a thing now
>>152002746Since the 1960s that term has been around to describe those with a lack of sexual attraction.
>>152002355I don't think you really know how bisexuality works if you think that's a good defense. Comics treat bisexuality in one of the most damaging ways possible.It's also not that fucking hard to create a new character that's actually bi, not trash 30 years of history to make them suddenly into the same sex.>>152002527>in comics and other forms of fictional media it's merely a way to make male homosexual characters more palatable to mainstream audiences. Bisexual characters tends be in exclusively same sex relationships.Exactly. Once a character becomes "bi," writers/editors/fans need it to become functionally 100% gay, otherwise they'll get roasted on social media or whatever. They need the characters in Pride specials. They need the characters to remind the audience they like same-sex characters as often as they possibly can.And as I'll always say - if a bisexual character isn't in a gay relationship, they can't be featured in a Pride book without cheating, or reinforcing a problematic trope, that bi people can't be monogamous.
>>151995405>and that creepy woman getting beaten while she's fucking her girlfriend was such heavy handed propogandahuh?
>>152002807>Once a character becomes "bi," writers/editors/fans need it to become functionally 100% gay, otherwise they'll get roasted on social media or whatever.Hello? >>152002697
>>152002805I get being assexual, I meant coming out as oneIt's just announcing that you're not on the market moreorless
>>151999346No one cares about KC Red Robin though. No one's asking Dick to take up the costume(except for maybe two people here because of course you'd find that here), he has no memorable scenes and KC as a whole is surprisingly forgotten for how well regarded it was for a decade+. It might be surprising to some people that Injustice basically overshadowed it.There's no reason to feel locked into RR as a Dick thing when it's something that he's never going to actually use.
>>152002880That has been a thing since the 2010s. At least that's when I became familiar with it.
>>152002831There's a difference between slapping on a bi sticker on a character and no one caring because editorial knows it would ruin the character if shown kissing another character of the same sex and fundamentally ruining a character by showing them being shoe-horned in an same-sex relationship. All of what you have listed mostly has been ignored or have been panned by fans that they pretty much ignore it. Vs someone like Harley/Ivy/Tim/Bobby/Alan. That have been so shoehorned into being dyke/fag coded that people straight up ignore the character all together.
>>152002805Only as a medical condition. It's only been within the public mind maybe fifteen years.
>>152002411DC turning the Robins into the Ninja Turtles is the single thing I despise the most about the Batman books. It's so annoying.
>>152002831>ConstantineHonestly one of the only okay examples besides...>DakenSure. But also a relatively new character. It's not the same as saying "oh, this 30+ year old character is suddenly into the same sex and always has been.">Star-LordAliens, and has never been referenced again. Johnny Storm recently fucked an alien and we can pretty easily say that doesn't fit flatly into gender shit like Tim Drake getting bummed by a human.>Catwoman & Wonder WomanOutside of one writer with Catwoman pushing a kiss, and alternate universe Wonder Woman, neither of them are really ever acknowledged as bi in the main universe. >LokiJust gay now. Bad example. Mor than half of the time Loki's a chick or twink.>Deadpool"lol gay butt jokes" is not a sexuality.Rea
>>151990627Why do you think they aged up jon and made him a fag? They dont want kid heroes they want homosexual teens. >>152002983They were always ninja turtles.
>>152003032>Just gay now. Bad example. Mor than half of the time Loki's a chickAin't it still straight by your logic since Loki can change into an actual woman?
>>152002906I posted >>152003032 and it's also a fair point. In the 80s/90s/00s, two women could share a kiss because it was considered hot and pandering. Now, "bi" characters in comics get into relationships and never, ever escape that. Shit like this was to get teenagers to goon to a comic, not to show that the characters were always bisexual.
>>152003032>"lol gay butt jokes" is not a sexuality.Exactly. Do you see him with men aside from a joke? Yet at the same time Marvel does pat themselve on the back for him being a "queer" character. Even though most of his serious relationships have been with women.
>>152003080Not really. Maybe it's easier to say that Loki will always be "queer" from here on out. There's not going to be a straight, male Loki dating a woman. He/she/whatever is now a character who is shoehorned into being some form of representation for LGBTQ+ at all times.
>>152003032Constantine isn't popular because hes a fag bottom for the shark now. It cratered his popularity.Daken has never been liked. Ever.No one cares about comic starlord outside of helmet maymays. Turning him homo or bi only enforces it.Catwoman in comics is a Canon psnsexual skank since Tom King got a hold of her. Not hot bi for male entertainment femme fatalle but a massive backstabbing skank. Wonder woman isn't actually popukar. Shes the female superhero and pushed by certain groups. You dont see widespread ww affection amongst normievwomen beyond acknowledging she exists. Comic loki was never liked outside of the queers and alt types. Deadpool is bugs bunny type homo. But the Disney movies are leaning into it and treating it serious. So I see him not kidding long as the mist popular marvel character. >>152003099They stopped pretending it was for male viewing pleasure andvwent mask off. Mainly because its good money from certain groups.
>>152002238Kon has always been straight. He’d never turn down pussy like Tim did.Face it. Conner is too hetero to make gay.
>>152003156>It cratered his popularity.It was already catering for a long while.
>>152003033And they knew they couldn't get away with what they ACTUALLY wanted: a man/boy gay relationship. They compromised and aged Jon up. You KNOW there are sketches of Jay bending over 10 year old Jon on some DC artist's hard drive,
>>152003177>Conner is too hetero to make gay.Duh, that's why people are saying bi. Not gay.
>>152003156Your fingers must be so fucking fat
>>152003101You're missing the point. Has Deadpool ever really been seen in bed with another guy or in a relationship? This is the weakest "b-b-ut no really they're bi" argument I've ever seen, since Deadpool's a meme character. Straight guys make gay jokes to each other all the time. Please find me any evidence of Deadpool gay dating a guy outside of the kind of talk you'd have with another dude if you both played on the same football team and joke with plenty irony or sarcasm.
>>152003214>Please find me any evidence of Deadpool gay dating a guy outside of the kind of talk you'd have with another dude if you both played on the same football team and joke with plenty irony or sarcasm.
>>152003156I don't want to align myself with you either, you piece of shit.I'm totally fine with LGBTQ+ characters as long as they don't turn someone completely gay overnight that was always straight, and then label them bi when they really don't mean it. Hulkling and Wiccan have always been gay. Cool, like them. Calico and Jitter in X-Men, cool, makes sense. Like them. Nico Minoru and Karolina Dean? Complicated, but a decently told story of someone finding out they really did like the other gender, or at least that specific person.It's only fucked up when long-standing straight characters are now gay, called bi, and can never come back.
>>152003156Constantine isn't popular because he's been over-exposed for roughly fifteen years, popping up in issues or shows as DC's generic Magic User, and always seems to sneak in a win (or phyrric victory, at least) despite being nothing more than a chain-smoking, snarky, br'ish chap who acts superior to other characters. You hate Johnny boy because you think poopdicks will try to kill your favorite character IRL, I hate him because he shouldn't get major credit for helping to end cosmic level threats. The shit with King Shark is a boost, if anything. Porn is half the reason anyone gives a shit about anything these days.
>>152003271Alternate universes don't fucking count. That's Deadpool: The End. Do whatever the fuck you want in alternate universes, unless of course it's a more popular thing that brings it into the mainstream. Like, if we have Deadpool fucking Iceman up the ass in Doomsday, I'll give you a pass.
>>152003311>Like, if we have Deadpool fucking Iceman up the ass in DoomsdayAs if Iceman would ever appear in any adaptation or other medium outside of comics ever again.
>>152003183Because they sent him to the mainline universe and pushed the homo angle. >>152003205Very. I have sausage like fingers. >>152003296Anon, that shit you hate is why he's well known and liked. The king shark thing and trying to turn him into a square jawed hero is what's ruining him. >>152003275>Nico Minoru and Karolina Dean?I don't like you or fucking care if you live or die. Also the story with nico and karolina was fucking retarded out of nowhere teen drama shit that bombed on buffy the vampire slayer and no one acknowledges it outside of pride specials or when they want LGBTQA bucks.
>>152003156>But the Disney movies are leaning into it and treating it serious.What? Deadpool gay jokes are just that..gay jokes. literally no one takes him seriously. The only time he's ever serious is when it's about his girlfriend Vanessa.
>>152003185Jfc ew
>>152003476Nico was way more interesting as a failgirl hatefucking her occasionally evil ex-boyfriend.
>>152003189Why would he be bi?
>>152003156Constantine's also a canon zoophile - he got fucked by a dog on camera.
>>151985599Disown him and send him to arrow familyHe can be called quiver on account of being filled full of arrowsOr kill himWe have grayson being the goldenboy,jason as the black sheep and damian thats a mixture of bruce and dick with some jason sprinkled in from being an al ghulTim is obsolete,boring and gayScrap him,permament death
>>152005316Thats just being british
>>151992619>bat-mite in the batfamily
>>152005367Bat-Mite is more family than the minority hires.
>>151993996Constantine spends more time chasing dick now than he does pussy. Look how how many times they bring up his love for Shark King. He’s just gay now.And Catwoman cheated on Batman with a woman the tried to take over Gotham City.
>>151985599At least Gen X have nostalgia for him so he has some protection.Jon Kent was made gay and no one care about him anymore. Even Superboy Prime is more popular.
>>152005498>Even Superboy prime is more popularOf course hes more popular,hes prime
>>151995805Jason is because DC Comics was pushing his solo made by that tranny. Now that he’s gone, DC will start to backpeddle on Jason.
>>152002900Asexuality predates the 2010s. There just wasn't a good vocabulary for it before this century. If the particular person wasn't gay, that was the usual reason they became old maids, spinster aunts and confirmed bachelors. Even Sherlock Holmes was described as not really caring about that kind of shit by Conan Doyle. It's not a huge percentage but a not insubstantial number of people little to no sexual attraction.
>>151985599It's not about being gay it's about Batman mythos being absolutely chock full of characters that were invented for ONE SPECIFIC STORYLINE, but were shoved into mainline continuity and now hage zero fucking reason to exist.Every fucking Batman writer suffers from some weird psychosis where they try to write an epic story that forever redefines the entire continuity, everyone wants to write DKR or some shit. Jason coming back from the dead as somewhat schizophrenic esgelord? Wow, cool, so brave and new, NOW WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO WITH HIM?Tim Drake showing up and forcing Batman to stop seething alone and accept another Robin? Wow, cool and kind of touching, BUT WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO WITH ANOTHER ROBIN RUNNING AROUND?Fucking Bane is permanently stuck as some sort of roided up Schrödinger's cat, where he's both absurdly smart and dangerous but also a useless bum. He served his sole narrative purpose in Knightfall, and now he's irrelevant outside of absolutely deranged storylines and even there he's just rethreading the same fucking AAAAIIEEE BATMAN I'LL BREAK YOU song and dance.So on and so forth.
>>152005180Because Kryptonians cannot resist bat bussy.
>>152005498Jon Kent will always be popular as long as DC keeps dangling the possibility of permanently deaging him (they won't) in front of dumb gullible readers.
>>152005490What is up with the spacing between your sentences?
>>152005180Karl Kesel seemed to like the idea, but then he considered Kon rather hypersexual
>>152005579I know but I was answeing this anons question >>152002880 referring to one who comes out as such.
>>151985599I liked his relationship with Lucius Fox's daughter honestly, most of his kids were annoying shitheads but she was cool I thought. I don't even remember the reason given for why they split
>>151987192Comic readers are mostly men and men think lesbians are hot
>>152005513Unrelated to the topic, give me back kino but also un-fagify Tim and Jon pls
>>152006252Why does so much art of DC characters, both official and fan made, have them eating burgers?
>>151990335Not the same, but unfortunately most comics writers treat it like the same thing.
Damian existing at all really messed a lot of things up huh lol
>>152006574Big time.
>>151992161Should have just given them an awkward bisexual flavored threesome with Steph.
>>152005790You can't undo any of what was done to Jon KentTeasing him being de-aged doesn't matter because the people who liked kid jon have mourned the character and moved on. Now there's just this faggot no one likes there and a deep sense that the creatives at DC disregards and even hates them. He's never going to be popular again. Ever. >>152006014Then why is Batwoman worse then hated, not cared about in the slightest. Why is Harely Quinn outside of her being hot in games a dead as fuck IP and Ivy even worse then that? Lesbians being hot by virtue of existing is long dead.
>>151999585>>152000168>>152001260As a Supernatural fan, I sincerely apologize for her existence. She only exists as a writer because she pandered to our worst fucking shippers on social media while she was an assistant to our worst showrunner. To think comics fell so far as to hire the worst writer in the worst era of a show when it use to hire the best. Sad!
>>152006252RHATO was bad tho
>>151988102>looks at zatanna>yet wants to bang menDc comics are so gay
>>152003033> They are an ensemble of four characters that compliment each other> alwaysIt's always the loudest faggots who talk confidently out of their ass.
>>152005513> DC made 2 unrelated mini jaybin books to push a RH book You sound retarded. The set up for that was Hush 2, another trainwreck.
>>151985599His farts don't make a sound anymore which makes him better at sneaking around.
>>151985690I don't think so.
>>1519855991. Jason can back ruined Tim2. Creating Damian ruined Tim even more3.regaling his identity to his father, killing his father and Bruce adopting him made like every other Robin.4. Steph is more likable because she’s enduring and hot as fuck.5. Being bisexual was a Hail Mary to give him some relevance. At least this way we’ll never get queer Dick, Jason or Damian. Tim took one for the team.
>>151994228Only the most uncontroversial and based takes get ignored this hard.
>>151994228That’s what Absolute Universe is for you dumb ass anon
>>152008984There is no Robin in the Absolute universe, retard. There are no Titans.Dick Grayson is a 20-something EMT who rides around Gotham on a bicycle.
>>151994228Based
>>152007043I was good tho, at least till #25
>>152008915>Tim took one for the team.In the ass.
>>151985690only if it is a book that women read because fluid sexuality is femslopfor a book like robin or obsidian or alan scott - nope.>(Remember the power that Blackrock has over everything)
>>151991530>they need to do something drastic with Tim to make him not shitNo, they don't. Literally just write good shit with existing characters. I have no idea why people think that wouldn't sell. You don't need to change aesthetics and names and sexuality and genders and turn everyone black. Literally just be a good writer and get a good artist and work with a character's past. That's it.
>>151992601None of this is getting to the root of the problem. It's woke retards at DC that think just turning things woke will increase sales.Fire anyone who thought turning Robin or Alan Scott gay was a good idea. Don't work with Bendis anymore. Get rid of literally mentally ill people that are constantly getting into fights on Twitter alongside their work. I have NO idea why people would consider "twitter warriors" employable, they are dripping with mental illness, right wing or left wing.Just get rid of the mental illness.
>>152001500>different fag approach (sic) than what the audience wantedDon't assume the online faggot shippers are a large population. Most comic readers are not that deep into internet subcultures, they are relatively normal people that like comic books.
>>152011649Obsidian is a weird case, he was turned gay to avoid to be killed off.And even them, they only care superficially about his sister.
>>152011724There are far more online faggot shippers than there are comic readers.
>>152005790No one gives a shit about kid Jon anymore. They already brought back Kid Jon to shill old gay Jon. They are even bringing back kid Jon again for nostalgia bait and no one cares. Jon Kent is beyond saving at this point.
>>151985599>that one psychologist who called Batman and Robin homosexual pederast propaganda was proven rightIts fucking rough
>>152008033Kek
>>152002631Is there a singular gay or bi (male) in this entire thread?
>>152005579There's a variety of reasons people don't marry anon that doesn't mean they're asexual. The actual percentage of people who are asexual is way smaller than the number of people who say they are and even smaller if you rule out medical reasons and even smaller if you factor out those who have trauma/anxiety with sex.
>>152013814I'm technically bi (non-practicing anymore, only date women now), and I hate how comics (the big two) treat bi people, because they're only bi in name only. They're fully gay as soon as that change happens. If there were nuance or doubt to a character that realized they were bi, or a decent story told around it, I'd maybe be more open to it. Instead, everyone dances and celebrates the instant a character is bi, acts like it's nothing new, and they pretend it was always the status quo.
>>152012177most people don't take a hobby to that length
>>152013924>If there were nuance or doubt to a character that realized they were biNTA, but - why have a 'realization' moment of any kind if he's been straight for 60 fucking years?New characters I don't care about - they can live or die in the marketplace of comics, but turning legacy characters into something else is just nonsense. In fact, even with the X-Men shit it was no nonsensical it even seemed nonsensical to the characters
>>152015006Well, trust me, I'm 100% against turning legacy characters gay or bi. That said, I'm in my 30s and only two of my friends know I'm bi - people firmly outside of my close friend circle. If I decided my experimentation with other guys was enough to really be important to me, it'd take some kind of a "realization" and deep digging conversation with myself, that eventually would have to be pointed out with my closer friends and family.If they maybe did this once or twice, it'd be so different. Instead, it's a common, awful trope. And bi people are so horrifically represented in this that it's almost offensive. Not to mention, they should have at least a few storylines where people at least act with fucking surprise. My buddy came out as "bi" (eventually gay) in college, and we didn't throw him a party or give him dating advice... we were like "uh, holy fuck, you were just with a girl for four years and talking about getting engaged, this is kinda weird and a lot for us to process." Some people didn't remain friends with him.That'd be an actual realistic way to deal with these situations.
Which Flash character should be bisexual?
>>152015429You referring to any character or just those with the speed force?
>>152013814You're speaking to one.
>>152015605Speed force.So not Pied Piper or Circuit Breaker
>>152015630Reverse Flash or Impulse.
>>152015395>Instead, it's a common, awful trope.There's only two characters that have came out as bisexual. It doesn't look like it's a prevalent trope whatsoever. >. Not to mention, they should have at least a few storylines where people at least act with fucking surprise.Do people really give that much of a damn in 2026?
>>152015749>There's only two characters that have came out as bisexual. It doesn't look like it's a prevalent trope whatsoever.Uh... Harley, Ivy, Tim, Jon, Black Cat, Kitty Pryde, Betsy Braddock, Rachel Summers, Mystique, Gwenpoole (bi-into-ace), Catwoman, in recent history. Maybe Gwenpoole isn't a legacy character, but the rest are.>Do people really give that much of a damn in 2026?Yes? I live in a major city and it's a pretty big deal when your friend starts fucking the same sex, especially if they've never shown signs of it the entire time you've known them. Especially, if like in comics, the "bisexuality" isn't really bi and they're just saying it while they're hard gay.All of this is also ignoring Bobby Drake, who they made 100% gay.
>>152015429None?
>>151985599Is anyone willing to admit that turning male characters in action/adventure franchises LGBT seriously harms their popularity? Men and boys are the ones who buy up all the superhero merch and hardly any of them are clamoring to get the Gay Robin. Gay/Bi male characters only sell in properties geared exclusively towards women. The same thing happened to Jon Kent - even if people try to deflect and say it was because he was aged up. That's a cope - his popularity tanked because they didn't want the next Superman to be "just another straight white male" and so they turned him into a fag.
>>152013814I was a bull who would regularly plow the fuck out of married couples(didnt touch a dick or anything) and went on a near year long predatory fuck spree of butch lesbians and ftm.Im merely a 4chan brained pansexual degenerate with a massive cock though. So im not a normal man. I dislike this bullshit. I dont want to be reminded of how Im a debauched sex addicted fuck stud who dabbled in manwhoring.
Bump
>>152008915>hot as fuckProofs?
>>151985599Surely they'll have to do something that actually works eventually right?
>>152006014No, really they're not.And the harley/ivy thing needs to die. It's played out and tiresome.
>>152018848They're both fucked as characters.Just let them be the lesbian bait for the shippers and push them out of the 'batfamily" and put punchline in her place as Jokers girlfriend.We need a new murderous femfatale man eater to replace Ivy though. I think catwoman needs to drop the pansexual backstabbing megawhore who cucks batman thing and slip into that sexy role.
What if they went full zesty with Tim instead of being toothless safegay?
>>152016804The only people who cared about Jon back then were the superfamfags who wanted wholesome content and the shotafags. He got to make a coming out because he turned "legal" overnight. Aging him up definitely hurted him, no matter how you want to spin it.>>152018742They may, by accident, and they'll shit the bed right after because it was an accident.
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