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would the show be better if the girls were given more time to shine and a human love interest each?
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The show would be better if it showed Verosika topless.
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>>152002290
mid 40s milf loona and still as young as ever anon
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So, was it ever explained in HIL how the mob managed to get sinners across the border into other rings?
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>>152002290
anything would be an improvement over the fujoshit bird drama that is the show now. Phineas and Ferb's writers can cram an excellent A-plot and B-plot into a 12 minute time slot, why can't Viv?
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>>152002290
You would THINK so...but I just KNOW that bitch Viv will hook them up with each other.
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Bzzz bzzzz
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>>152003234
She wont, its pretty much 100% confirmed that octavia will remain single, thats why she made her ace
They are also heavily pushing the sister angle, so shipping them would just be weird
Loona is likely to get bolted on to bee and vortex's relationship, though
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>>152002686
they went through the plot hole
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>>152003331
Buzz Buzz, Buzzer.
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>>152003331
IS THAT FUCKING JESTER FACE?!
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>>152003500
This is.
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>>152003390
You can both hold her hand and be hugged by her simultaneously.
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>>152003731
OH GOD. BEE IS DRUNK AGAIN, EVERYBODY RUNN!!!!!!
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>>152003774
>sweatpants
Yummy.
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>>152003774
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https://youtu.be/B9FzVhw8_bY?si=54p5BDFP7A0lJBGZ

This song reminds me of her, hell, it even has "queen bee" in the lyrics
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>>152003816
Indeed, the sweatpants has me thinking of unholy thoughts.
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>>152002290
The show would definitely be better if Zoophobia made a cameo.

https://files.catbox.moe/511nne.mp4
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Which way, stellafag?
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>>152004117
Post more old school Vivpop art.
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>>152004165
Gimme all of em.
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>>152004165
Snowy owl.
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>>152004165
Yes, but to answer your question, Snowy Owl


Now, which way Imp enjoyer?
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>>152004314
Better and happier days.
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The audio reading of My Saving Grace chapters 1-3 is up.
>but OctaviaAnon you haven’t done shit for 3 months
shut up i know i’m working on it
https://voca.ro/1mP3gQb0lCzk
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Her tiny butt excites me so
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>>152004415
She has nice legs
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>>152004173
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>>152004423
She sure does, nice, slender and long
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Goetians and their gorgeous legs.
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>Fuck you Stolas. You're not funny anymore.
>And I had sex with your GORGEOUS wife!
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>>152002290
loona smells bad
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>>152004583
Then bathe her, Anon.
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Asmodeus needs more scenes.
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>>152004567
Need to be her pool boy.
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I made two more shitpost.
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>>152004583
I always thought she looks like she smells amazing.
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>>152004702
He's so big and hot.
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>>152002686
Memorium smuggling/sinner trafficking route, and it implies that Lucifer doesn’t enforce the borders, which is kind of par for the course since in HH, he doesn’t even have control of the sinners.
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>>152002686
>So, was it ever explained in HIL how the mob managed to get sinners across the border into other rings?
Basically human trafficking from Pride -> Greed in order to kill them then cook them up into drugs
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>>152004797
You could bugger Lucifer and he couldn't do a thing to stop you.
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>>152004860
He probably could bully you to make you suicidal.
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>>152004839
So theres no magical barrier in place? Sinners dont go to other circles simply because they arent allowed to?
Kinda anticlimactic to be honest
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>>152004878
But...I'd already be dead though.
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>>152004893
But... You could use an angelic weapon.
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>>152004878
Or bully them till they want to self harm.
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>>152004860
What if a human were to date his daughter?
>>152004889
>Kinda anticlimactic to be honest
That's Viv's "worldbuilding" for you.
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>>152004165
Secretary bird and snowy owl designs are both really pretty.
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>>152004941
>That's Viv's "worldbuilding" for you.
But i thought the way its portrayed in the fic is completely up to the author?
Did they confirm it in the show that sinners can go to other circles all willy nilly?
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>>152004889
>So theres no magical barrier in place?
The fact that you’re asking this question is a little considering we just had another season of HH and this kind of worldbuilding stuff still isn’t explained in canon material.
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>>152004954
Concerning, considering*
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>>152004951
Ah my bad, I thought we were talking about the show's
>>152004947
Either way, you win.
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Ficanon here. I purposefully kept it ambiguous as a sort of “future proofing” thing considering this is actually a huge hole in worldbuilding that as far as I know, still remains unanswered.
In the next chapter, there’s essentially a border security check point, but its main existence is for a fitting gag considering it’s operated by Greed.
I left possibilities open regarding that there isn’t even a magical barrier present and biggest reason sinners don’t cross is that the residents of the other rings REALLY don’t want sinners coming into their turf (save for the beginning of the fic where Bee invited sinners to party for once, but I wrote this before knowing she hates humans, and thus is a valid plot hole from what’s actually canon.) That’s why I went for a sort of “human trafficking” approach as the one exception to be currently happening in Hell because sinners aren’t even running amok. They’re being killed and turned into drugs in Greed after the source got cut off in Pride, and Striker even comments on how hellborn likely wouldn’t mind a sort of “population control” that they can enact on their own, and get high off of.
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>>152004947
Personally, i really like the swan, but that might also be because i am thinking of a way to combine it with swan lake
>Anon falls for half swan octavia
>The owl wizard, unlike in the play, is on his side and wants him to succeed because he knows anon is a good kid and could make his daughter happy
>Stella, on the other hand, feels that he is a bad match for her daughter and wants to get rid of him
>Decides to pull a magic spell and turn herself to resemble her daughter and then trick anon
>He can either smell her out and decline her advances or he can fall for the bait and have octavia dump him after her heart breaks when she finds out (stella made sure she would catch them)
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>>152004992
Ficanon here DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS
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I love this.
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>>152005016
Lock in.
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>>152004509
Hideous Greater Demons with Legions of Hell's soldiers btw.
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>>152004997
NO NO NO THAT’S NOT ME I’M THE REAL FICANON
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Tf?
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>>152004992
Question, how much of the story do we have left? Do you have any sequel fics in mind?
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>>152004994
I do love the teal sclera of that design,
>Decides to pull a magic spell and turn herself to resemble her daughter and then trick anon.
>He can either smell her out and decline her advances or he can fall for the bait and have octavia dump him after her heart breaks when she finds out (stella made sure she would catch them)
I do not believe Stella is the type of lady to do this, I could see her at most, trying to get Anon to see another Goetian or maybe Loona. I just don't see Stella being the other woman in an affair, especially when said affair is with her daughter's boyfriend and more so if this after Stella discovers Stolas' affair with Blitzo.
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>>152005016
Get him Stolas!
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>>152005031
>Those eyes, that dress and that smile.
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What if John Ward from Faith the Unholy Trinity started putting up his gold cross in front of Stolas?
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>>152005092
In all honesty, not too much. The fluff is coming, but there’s only so many variations of hangouts, dates, and fluffy stuff that can be published before it all blends together and becomes white noise.
A lot of this also hinges on Helluva Boss still being incomplete as a series, namely with Loona’s background and whoever her parents are, if the show goes that route. A regret of mine is that I feel like I didn’t really delve deeply into Loona, but I’m coping a bit when I say that the show doesn’t give me too much to work with in that regard in terms of backstory.
A sequel could very well be a possibility, but if I were to do one, it’d likely be even grander in scale, and I know that’s something a good amount of you wouldn’t want to see.
In all, a previous post from the last thread was correct. The main tension of the story is drawing to a close, and after this next chapter or two, the fic will 100% diverge in its plausibility of being parallel to the canon HB timeline. There’s no going back after that, and hopefully whatever HB has in store in the future won’t be impossible to work with.
I’ve tried an anthology with one of my prior works, and I just burnt out fast on it.
Possibility of making a lewd rentry link or even a dedicated spin-off oneshot is on the table.
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>>152005102
>I do not believe Stella is the type of lady to do this
Yeah, it was a far stretch, but i dont know how else to swan lake-ify the story
I thought a swan lake take would be good for an ending 2
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>>152005178
Lol.
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>>152005016
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>>152005016
And that moment I couldn't take the series serious anymore, I swear, viv couldn't write a good villain to save her life.
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>>152005304
Okay.
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>>152005343
nta, but they’re absolutely right. you don’t do this kind of stuff if you want to have a villain be threatening and be taken seriously. You have to make them actually simmer that hatred to the point where when they finally get what’s coming to them, it’s satisfying. This was a case of just wanting to blow your load too quickly.
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>>152005273
Nice.
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>>152005154
He could do more damage by planting his cross on Blitzo's face and Stolas would not able to do anything.
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>>152005372
>nta
Okay then.
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>>152005372
You are right, i actually saw a yt vid of a guy criticizing the scene and he had the same opinion
You need to make your audience see the villain as a threat, a genuine danger, you cant just have him get beat up like that and by someone who was supposedly "depowered" too
Its just viv not being a good writer and wanting to get the quick satisfaction of seeing the bad haughty guy get his ass tanned without considering the implications

Still, it did lead to a few good R63 greens
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>>152005304
All that fighting and Andre just crawled away.
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>>152005408
You're obviously a different person.
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>>152005421
Tis but a bruise.
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>>152005421
He's tough.
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>>152005408
He's already been proven a threat. He got Stolas stripped of his power and status and effectively usurped his daughter's inheritance, and turned her against him. He has ruined Stolas's life. The beating Stolas gave him, while satisfying, means nothing because he has instant regeneration against normal attacks. If anything his pathetic moment was getting beaten in a magic contest by Octavia, but as we already established he is a political villain. He just has enough strength that the main cast can't take him down in a fight.
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I think I'm most of the way done on this Loona. I just gotta draw the background properly. Feedback is always welcome!
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>>152005571
The point is that someone like him would never put himself in a position where the enemy could just brutalize him like that
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>>152005634
wouldn't he? since he cant be seriously hurt by getting the shit beat out of him, he would probably assume that Stolas would never resort to such brute tactics. He is two dimensional in the sense that he is so full of himself he is predictably arrogant enough to ignore any threat from those of lower status. He is hardly a perfectly written character, he is pretty much a typical snobby nobleman. But nothing he has done is particularly out of sync with that.
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>>152005634
Even then all Stolas did was lose his status, nothing else, so it doesn't really make Andre look like a political threat either, Andre could have made him be unable to see Octavia, had him kicked out of hell, tortured, or harm Blitzo. Stella hired Striker to kill Stolas, she attempted to do more damage than Andre did.
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>>152005693
He didn't want to simply punish Stolas, he wanted to get steal his wealth and power, which he did. and Stella has sole custody of Octavia, so he pretty much cut off that relationship too.
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>>152005734
Zesty.
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>>152005571
There’s little satisfaction in seeing a guy who’s already been immediately beaten in his reveal to just be beaten again.
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I wonder what cuddling with her must feel like
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>>152005802
Were she not so thin, extra fluffy, owls are apparently like that. Not idea with that design though.
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>>152005672
>Rickert_bitchslapping_Griffith.pg
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>>152005164
We'll definitely need some lewd one shots.
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>>152005408
This broad needs to be mooshed into the pillows, lovingly.
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>>152005596
Looking good so far.
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Octavia should have had bird feet like her parents
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>>152004576
>Everyone hates him!
>Even his GORGEOUS wife!
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>>152005408
>the villain
That's the problem: Andrealphus isn't the villain. He's an asshole and a schemer, yes, but he's not the villain, because Helluva Boss doesn't HAVE a villain. It doesn't have a central antagonist that consistently acts as a thorn in the main characters sides, it doesn't have a main bad guy that the heroes have to eventually thwart. The show can be boiled down to a gay romance slice of life (with guns and action).
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>>152007057
Little birdy feets.
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>>152002290
Stolas made me realize how horny twink daddies make me feel. I'm a straight man btw.
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>>152008150
>Stolas made me realize how horny twink daddies make me feel
Despite his character, he's not the worst twink to fall for.
Not as bad as the people I've gotten a crush on.

>I'm a straight man btw
Yeah yeah, me too...totally.
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>>152008150
>they unironically want to fuck the twink bird
>meanwhile i just want to call him a faggot and make fun of him
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>>152008539
I would do BOTH of those things, personally.

Also, twinks aren't my go to anymore.
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>>152008621
if you did the former shitzo might try and get you killed out of fear you ll ruin his gig
as for the latter, i wonder how brokeass would handle the bantz
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>>152003774
Protect all your holes, she's a fingerer!!!
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>>152008863
>one hand goes in your mouth
>one rubs your nipple
>one jacks you off
>and the last massages your prostate
imagine
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>>152008873
Jesus, this broad is a freak.
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How would octavia be as a wife?
Surely she couldnt possibly end up as bitchy as her mother, right?
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>>152009724
She'd be doing everything to not be like her parents to a detriment.
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>>152009764
You get it.
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>I am going to be....A BEE!
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more Hellhounds girls Band greentexts


>The winner of the "Spend a Day with The Howlerz!" Golden Ticket contest was an Imp named Melvin.
>Melvin was everything a Hellhound rock star hated. He was short, he wore a sweater vest that smelled like mothballs and fear, and he had a severe astigmatism that made his eyes look like two fried eggs behind his thick glasses.
>He stood in the doorway of the VIP Green Room, clutching a limited edition Howlerz lunchbox, trembling like a chihuahua in a thunderstorm.
>The band stared at him. The silence was heavy enough to crush a car.
>Roxxy, who was currently sharpening a combat knife on the sole of her boot, broke the silence. "Is this a joke? Is this the prize? Do I get to stab it?"
>"It's the contest winner, Roxxy," their manager's assistant squeaked from the hallway before slamming the door and fleeing.
>Vix squinted at Melvin from the couch, where she was trying to braid smoke rings. "Whoa. It looks like a librarian had sex with a nervous breakdown."
>Trixie, draped over a vanity mirror in a silk robe that was doing absolutely zero work to cover anything important, rolled her eyes. She stood up, sashaying over to Melvin with the predatory grace of a shark that had just spotted a wounded seal.
>She loomed over him, at least two feet taller, and blew a puff of glittery vape smoke into his face.
>"Alright, let's get this over with, short stack," Trixie drawled, untying the belt of her robe. "You want an autograph on your dick? A quick ride in the bathroom? I charge extra for biting, but since you won the contest, I guess I can throw in a pity nibble."
>She let the robe slide off one shoulder.
>Melvin shrieked. It was a high, pitiful sound, like a balloon being strangled. He held up the lunchbox like a shield.
>"N-no! No thank you, Miss Trixie! Please put your... everything... away!"
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>>152011185
>The room froze. Roxxy stopped sharpening her knife. Vix stopped blinking. Trixie looked down at herself, then back at the shaking Imp, her expression shifting from boredom to genuine confusion.
>"Excuse me?" Trixie scoffed, a dangerous edge entering her voice. "Did you just say 'no'? To this?" She gestured to her body like it was a national monument. "Do you know how many souls would kill to sniff my chair after I stand up?"
>"I-I'm sure it's a very nice chair!" Melvin stammered, sweating profusely. "But I... I'm taken! I'm in a committed relationship!"
>Roxxy snorted so hard she choked on her gum. "You? You have a girlfriend? What is she, a body pillow with a wig?"
>"No!" Melvin squeaked, adjusting his glasses with dignity. "Her name is Sheila. She's a Succubus. And she's very jealous. If I come home smelling like... like Hellhound musk and glitter, she'll flay the skin off my back and use it as a doormat. Again."
>Trixie’s eyes narrowed into slits.
>A Succubus.
>If he had said another Imp, Trixie might have laughed. If he had said he was gay, she would have shrugged. But a Succubus? The natural rival of the Hellhound in the hierarchy of "Hot things in Hell"? And this sweater-wearing dweeb was turning her down for that?
>It wasn't about sex anymore. It was about dominance.
>"Oh, really?" Trixie purred, the sound rumbling deep in her throat. She took a step closer, her tail swishing aggressively. "So, you think some cheap, horn-rimmed harlot is better than the lead drummer of The Howlerz?"
>"She's an accountant, actually," Melvin offered helpfully.
>"I don't care what she is!" Trixie snapped. She grabbed a water bottle, poured it over her white tank top, and then flipped her hair back. "Roxxy, grab the camera. We're documenting the 'Day with the Band'. And Melvin here is going to learn to appreciate the fine arts."
>For the next six hours, Melvin was subjected to psychological warfare disguised as hospitality.
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>1:00 PM - The "Casual" Lunch
>They went to a burger joint. Trixie insisted on sitting next to Melvin in the booth. Every time he took a bite of his fries, she would stretch, arching her back and "accidentally" brushing her chest against his arm.
>"Is it hot in here, Melv?" she asked, batting her eyelashes. "I feel like taking off my collar."
>"Please don't," Melvin whimpered, staring steadfastly at his ketchup. "I love Sheila. I love Sheila. I love Sheila."
>"He's praying," Vix noted, dipping a napkin in her soda and eating it. "To the god of celibacy."
>3:00 PM - The Studio Session
>Roxxy was trying to record vocals, but Trixie kept interrupting.
>"Okay, Melvin," Trixie said, locking the studio door. "For this next track, I need to get in the 'zone'. I need a visual aid. Stand there and hold my drumsticks."
>"Okay..."
>"Now, tell me," she crawled over the drum kit on all fours, staring him dead in the eyes. "Does Sheila have fur? Is she soft? Can she do this with her tongue?" Trixie proceeded to tie a cherry stem in a knot, untie it, and then tie it into a bow, all without using her hands.
>Melvin hyperventilated. "Sheila can do taxes! She knows Excel! Can you do a V-LOOKUP, Miss Trixie?!"
>"What the fuck is a V-LOOKUP?!" Trixie screamed, throwing a cymbal at the wall.
>6:00 PM - The Limousine Ride
>The day was ending. Trixie was exhausted, her ego bruised and batter-fried. She had tried lap dances, accidental flashing, and explicit whispering. Melvin had remained terrified but loyal, clutching a photo of a stern-looking Succubus in a pantsuit.
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>>152011205
>Trixie sat slumped in the back of the limo, defeated. Roxxy was laughing so hard she was crying.
>"He beat you, Trix," Roxxy wheezed, wiping a tear away. "The dweeb beat you. He's iron-willed. He's the faithful king."
>"Shut up," Trixie grumbled, crossing her arms. "His girlfriend is probably ugly anyway."
>The limo pulled up to the curb to drop Melvin off. Waiting there was Sheila.
>She was seven feet tall, crimson red, with horns the size of handlebars and a business suit that was struggling to contain her physique. She looked like she could bench press the limo. She glared at the car with glowing yellow eyes.
>Melvin scrambled out of the car. "Sheila! Honey! I didn't touch anything! I kept my eyes on the floor!"
>Sheila sniffed him. She grabbed him by the sweater vest, lifted him into the air, and kissed him violently. Then she looked into the open window of the limo, directly at Trixie.
>"Thanks for returning him," Sheila said, her voice like grinding tectonic plates. "If I find one flea on him, I'm turning you into a fur coat."
>She walked away, carrying Melvin under her arm like a baguette.
>Trixie stared out the window as they drove away. The silence stretched for a long minute.
>"Okay," Vix finally said, breaking the silence. "That was kind of hot."
>"Drive," Trixie hissed at the driver, sinking low into her seat. "Just drive."
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I've never seen this show, i know nothing about it other than gooning to loona.
I had a dream last night where i watched it, and it was all close up explicit sex scenes with loona and the red one.
They were some good scenes.
Anyway, how far off was my dream to the real show?
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I definitely know you guys will buy Octavia Official Merch
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>>152011666
Nice try Satan but I already have enough plastic crap in my room I'm judged for.
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>>152011701
How about a book then?
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>>152011723
I don't have need for a themed notebook either.
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>>152011731
The only thing I got here is a hat. Do You want it?
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>>152011666
I'd rather have something custom, like this one 3d print of loona in a seated position if anyone can find it.
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>>152011840
Loona or Charlie, which one?
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>>152011761
I already have a merch hat for a different show.
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>>152011913
Loona and it's not even close.
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>>152009764
>She'd be doing everything to not be like her parents
whats that supposed to mean?
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>you like owls, don't you?
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>>152012043
>You like humans, don't you?
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>you take stella to see the newest avatar
>she immediately kins varang
>decides to cosplay as her
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>>152012126
HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCKING FUCK
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so when can we except the new season to start airing, some time during summer?
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>>152012020
NTA but, Instead of no time together, all the time together. Instead of arguing all the time, she will find any argument unacceptable. In other words she may end up clingy and controlling in an attempt to prevent her relationship from ending up like her parents.
Personally I don't think she would be like that. Assuming she was interested in a relationship she would probably be rather subdued. And considering she is aero and her trauma over her parents relationship she might have problems forming such an attachment in the first place.
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>>152013146
>considering she is aero and her trauma over her parents relationship she might have problems forming such an attachment in the first place.
>octavia is so traumatized by her parents breakup she fears suffering the same fate
>ends up meeting a guy who she genuinely connects with, but the paranoia rears its ugly head like a weed
>whenever the man is not within 10 meters of her she fears that hes out cheating
>whenever they are even slightly arguing about something she just quiets down and does as he wants because she is afraid they are one word away from throwing things at each other
>in the end it all comes crashing down due to self sabotaging in her part
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>>152012826
Gorgeous.
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Lot of anons projecting their intimacy issues itt
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>>152013354
>overly clingy and submissive octavia
I'd feel bad.
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Morgana is stepping away as the merch director at SpindleHorse in favour of a similar position at Glitch. Will still be voicing Sallie May and attending events occasionally.

I'm hoping this could mean we'll finally start getting merch of other non-main cast characters that aren't fucking Chaz. Still waiting for a Collin plush.
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>>152013453
I figure that is an issue across most boards, really.
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>>152013553
Yeah, but it's noticeably prominent compared to other Helluva threads on other boards.
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You're mine...and we belong together. For eternity.
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So once this show ends, then what? There's nothing left.
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>>152013740
anon, most of the people here dont even watch the show, we got fanfics and greens
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>My first decree as the newly coronated King of Hell is that anyone who sees Blitzo Buckzo must throw apples at him
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>>152014021
>apprentice anon after he uses his unchecked access to a goetian library(stolas forgot to close it before he was kicked out) to learn the dark arts and get more power in his life than any other human has ever managed, ascends to true daemon princehood and takes over hell (lucy doesnt even care anymore)
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>>152012126
Holy hell, very magnificent.
>>152011916
Adorable.
>>152012075
>
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>>152014070
>and use his power purely for 'social experiments' like increasing taxes 300%, demolishing the imp city slums for parking lots, setting a universal speed limit at 500 mph, and branding "Shit Ass" on Blitzo's forehead
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>>152013574
>Octavia! Have you been reading weird, edgy fanfiction again?
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>>152013740
Tell that to mlp, the show die, and people are still making art and fanfics... not as much as before, but still
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>>152014164
>Anon doesnt really "rule" hell, he mostly leaves things how they were
>Just uses his powers for random shit he finds funny in the moment, usually to blitzo's detriment
>The overlords dont know if they should be afraid of this new seemingly unstoppable guy or be glad that he has no intention of actually swinging his weight around
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>>152014199
>Stella's face when you find her Lady Chatterley's Lover fanfic, where (You) are the Oliver Mellors of the fanfic and she's Constance.
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>>152013790
I need to rewatch HB before I move into HH season 2.

I know it's bad for me, but I have to indulge myself.
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>>152011185
>>152011194
>>152011205
>>152011223
Good stuff.
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>>152008150
Imagine saying this to someone in the 18th century, that someone would look at picrel and be like "yeah, that makes me want to fuck dudes"
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>>152014676
These shows take so many liberties with biblical lore that its almost insane to compare anything anymore.

It's almost histerical.
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>>152014676
Now I just want to see this Stolas interact with HB Stolas. Or Octavia.
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>>152014313
That'd be a pretty cute way to tease her.
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>>152014676
They'd add it to the list of things Stolas is responsible for.
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>>152014886
There are a few pics of that
I have seen a vid of a guy claiming he communed with the real one and he said he found the way the show portrayed him as funny
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>>152014998
Wasn't that Styx? I don't trust him on that, considering he's a StolasFag.
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>>152015019
Idk what his name is cause i dont watch him, i saw the vid when someone posted it in one of these threads, could be him
>He's a stolasfag
As in show stolas or irl demon stolas?
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>>152015104
In show Stolas, Styx is an occultist an a former satanist, during his Stolas video he brought up the show and its portrayal of Stolas.
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>>152014998
>>152015019
>>152015104
>>152015164

Most Satanists or daemonalotors are larpers who think spirits are their buddies they can hang out with. Admittedly I use pgm and the coptic magical papyri as my source but most spirits are alien as fuck and its very easy to convince yourselves that they think like you when they absolutely don't.
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>>152015289
I see them as more like sapient computer programs
Completely harmless if you follow all protocols, but misplace a single 1 and they will tear your brain out through your asshole
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>>152013453
Almost every character in this show as intimacy issues or trauma.
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>>152013354
>>152013477
I don't see her even getting into a relationship before she already has some confidence in her partner. If someone proves domineering or inattentive to her feelings she would filter them out before it ever gets serious, and someone probably wouldn't even get into the freindzone unless they really clicked with her. Even though she desperately needs friends she is probably going to be super defensive about letting people get close.
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>>152014878
All that demonology stuff takes so many liberties with the biblical lore that its almost hysterical. All the stuff about prices and dukes of hell was invented more than a thousand years later.
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>>152011666
>AIIIEEEE NO DON'T TURN ME INTO A MARKETABLE VINYL FIGUR-
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>>152015341
A very good analogy, and the main feel I got from them. Personally I think the only people who get it right in depicting them are David Lynch and Haruki Murakami.
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>>152004165
Sec. Bird for talonjobs on my snake
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>>152015651
So the thing with most forms of demonology is that its consistent with some interpretations of the Bible, just not mainstream Latin Christian ones. The ideas of princes, dukes, heirarchies, astral correspondences does work in most forms of Eastern Orthodoxy, (especially in the Balkans) or Judaism, or Coptic Christianity, or Shia Islam which all have much larger and more inclusive cosmologies than Catholicism or Protestantism
The 'Keys of Solomon' are mostly shoddy jobs of trying to make these systems work in a Catholic universe which leads to weird shit like Enoch as a generic martyr because Metatron doesn't exist.
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>>152015806
The idea of angelic and demonic hierarchies and astral correspondences was widely popular in the west too, but most of it was written in the post biblical period. Often long after the biblical period.
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>>152002290
All I know about this series is that this fox/wolf girl needs to be fucked in the ass.
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>>152016432
...by a good man who takes care of her and starts a loving family with.
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>>152016518
As long as her ass is getting stuffed with semen I don't have any objections
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>>152016216
>The idea of angelic and demonic hierarchies and astral correspondences was widely popular in the west too,

During the Renaissance, most of these ideas were systemized in Middle and Neo Platonism by guys like Proclus and Iamblichus, and the Church Fathers were obsessed with Aristotle to the expense of Plato. The Latin West didn't have the full corpus of Plato translated into Latin until Ficino

>but most of it was written in the post biblical period. Often long after the biblical period.

Depends on which part of the Bible. Most of the Middle Platonist stuff was contemporaneous with the Gospels and the intensely similar Heikalot, Enoch, and Sar Torah literature was in the same milieu. There's similar if less developed ideas found in Neo Assyrian and Neo Babylonian explanatory lists and exorcism manuals but that depends on when you think the Old Testament was written/finalized.
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What would you guys say our threadfics are building up to?
In HIL the cast have mostly gotten over their enemies, the big bads are dead, loona and anon are together again and look like they will survive their respective gunshot wounds and get a happy ever after
BotF, though, i cant really see where is headed
Seems to be going the octavia path, but what is anon's end goal? Becoming a super wizard? Fighting and defeating jew magic One? I cant really tell what its endgame is
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>>152017493
HIL is building up to multiple graphic sex scenes.
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>>152016971
Your conflating preceding ideas with their later development. Of course the esoteric traditions go way back, arguably to pre-biblical times. But the traditions that Hellaverse draws on are mostly renaissance western ones. Also Aristotle wasn't popular among Latin Christians until the high middle ages. The bible itself does not really contain such things. Enoch was not canonized by the vast majority of Christian churches, and the bible presents a very inconsistent and minimalist demonology.
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the demelinator was a success
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Got some new Loona art made!
I think I've spent at least 2 hours on backgrounds, it should be simple but it's been driving me crazy. I'm still not sure if this is what I should go with, but I'll sleep on it first.
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New bird
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Going to bed, goodnight owl (and wolf) lovers
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>>152017770
Goodnight, Anon.
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Stella has beautiful feet.
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>>152017662
POV?
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Stella loves human men
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>>152014676
Imagine that poof blushing after making him wear a babydoll. Yeah...
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>>152018267
all the better to kiss
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Anon and octavia!
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>>152020207
>Anon, what's sex?
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>>152020748
would she actually be afraid of sex?
i headcanon that shes ace as a result of the trauma she experiences because of her parents breakup, putting all the blame on sexuality instead of realizing that they were never compatible in the first place
so she falls in love with you but she is afraid of getting truly intimate lest you to be sexually incompatible
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>>152020920
I dunnoe. Maybe.
I think once she gets into it though she won't be able to stop.
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>>152021101
I get what you're saying but I feel like she would need to build up a lot of confidence (or desperation for intimacy) before going full nympho.
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>>152021265
Putting on Jeremy by Pearl Jam and regretting it when Octavia starts tearing up.
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>>152002290
>human love interest each?
Knowing how VivziePop writes the love interest would probably get more development then the girls
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>>152021338
awww, poor baby bird
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>>152018575
?
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>pic related crawls out of your TV at 2 in the morning
what do you do?
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>>152021600
>Go back to bed babe.
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>>152021600
my tv is wall mounted so i'd laugh at her falling out and face planting
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>>152017541
People seem to make the mistake that the bible didn't include stuff because it didn't agree with it rather than they just didn't include it because it wasn't relevant to the overall message. Like if the Lilith stuff was actually canon, it kind of bloats the story and doesn't really have any bearing on the outcome of being ejected from paradise.
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>>152021936
So, it was more of a marketing decision?
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>>152021600
>And just where have YOU been, young lady?!
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>>152017541
>But the traditions that Hellaverse draws on are mostly renaissance western ones

You're being generous. Viv just took the cliffnotes for PseudoMonarchia Daemonum secondhand.


>. Also Aristotle wasn't popular among Latin Christians until the high middle ages.

You're right my bad.

>The bible itself does not really contain such things. Enoch was not canonized by the vast majority of Christian churches, and the bible presents a very inconsistent and minimalist demonology.

There's insane similarities between the theology of the Qumran sectarians and Mark and Matthew. But ignoring that, you're getting into the whole Protestant vs Catholic, Karaite vs Rabbinic debate over whether scripture can be expounded on.

>>152021936
>People seem to make the mistake that the bible didn't include stuff because it didn't agree with it rather than they just didn't include it because it wasn't relevant to the overall message.

This and even then the English translations take a lot of the supernatural entities out. For example in Isaiah, the normal translation for Lilith is Screech Owl, and Se'irim is He-Goat. Similarly there's plenty of hostile deities mentioned in the Psalms and prophets using similar language to stuff found at Ugarit and described anthropomorphically. For example, Resheph, Deber, Horanu, Motu, etc, but they can also be translated as common nouns like plague, disease, might, etc.

>Like if the Lilith stuff was actually canon, it kind of bloats the story and doesn't really have any bearing on the outcome of being ejected from paradise.

Lilith as first Eve comes from a medieval Jewish shitpost, but Lilith as night demon is mentioned in the prophets and goes all the way back to Akkadian times.
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>>152021600
not notice because my tv's not in my bedroom
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>>152017493
Botf I have no idea and that intrigues me, I don't think Anon knows what he wants just yet.
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if BotF anon died, would his sinner form be an owl or some other sort of bird?
if its an owl, would it be a barn owl like stolas or some other owl species?
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>>152021600
*retarded screaming*
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slow day, eh?
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>>152002290
Their human love interests would get more development than the girls then both break up with them. They then realize that they're both gay and fall for each other instead. Loona and Octavia would be supportive and ship them would making cute owo faces at them.
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Loona wears red boyshorts
Octavia wears pink frilly panties
Millie wears black lingerie
Stella wears high end pink lingerie
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>>152018267
Great legs
>>152018692
Indeed.
>>152021265
Adorable.
>>152021600
>"Octavia dear, do you mind? My gameskeeper is taming me."
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>>152023498
Bee goes nude.
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>stolas tries to curb anons racism
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>>152021600
I have this pic facing my bed directly. Like to think one day she crawl out and take me home.
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>>152023803
No, I think Millie is the type to go nude, Bee wears sweatpants and a tank top.
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>>152023836
Lil' Bee paws peeking out of her sweatpants.
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>>152023829
I prefer to call them Lavaskunks, SootSlugs and RedVelvets.
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>>152023865
>She wiggles her beans to tease you.
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>>152023829
>Sure thing, cosmic faggot
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>>152023944
DOGGIE JOCKEY
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>>152024624
>*sudden boner*
>oh nO-
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>>152024711
>You like my beans, don't you, Anon?
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>>152025008
Luv Bee beeans.
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>>152025008
>How did you know?
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do octavia and stolas not have chins?
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I just saw a tweet that said Octavia is a Ace Lesbian. And that makes me want to shoot myself
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>>152025064
I don't think any of the Goetians have chins.
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>>152025197
saw someone make a good point that she was actually demisexual (not a hedonist) and not an ace like she thinks, i liked that more
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>>152025197
It means that she doesn't have sex but has relationships with girls specifically.

I don't get it, but it is headcannon so whatever.
At least Loona is bi.
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>>152025303
Both just need to meet human men.
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>>152025197
>Ace
>Lesbian
they added more gay points to her?
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>>152025197
Like an actual person who works on the show or just some Twitter LGBT poster?
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>>152025303
Funnily enough, they use this kind of picture to make a point, and they complain about it.
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>>152025197
>>152025383
if viv based octavia on herself and made her her own personal self insert, then she is NOT a lesbo
viv may be desperate enough to fuck women when possible, but she still prefers men
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>>152025410
oh it's some literally who and you've wasted our time
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>>152025410
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To paraphrase a wise pirate:
Canon is more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules.
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>>152025513
I mainly follow the guidelines from the pilot, everything after is fanfiction.
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>>152025948
Based t b h.
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>>152017667
Very nice
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>>152017667
mommy
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>>152025197
Olivia Goetia: Ace Lesbian
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>>152025411
>viv based octavia on herself
haugh?
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>>152026258
Stella's VA said Stella likes metal, so what metal would she sing?
>>152026209
Ace? https://youtu.be/3mbvWn1EY6g
https://youtu.be/ZxYibSHDQ4U
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>HB if it wasnt gay and cringe
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Asexuals aren't real
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>>152025411
>viv bla bla bla prefers men
Wish me luck, I'm going in. Hopefully she will birth some good fucking content.
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>>152026315
Her va can actually sing too, so maybe she actually will get a song.
https://youtu.be/vWHtWfoBNPs?si=iS_6LXKKOr2n3zL3
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What other hobbies does she have besides astronomy and taxidermy?
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>>152027514
stardew valley
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>>152027514
Music, cooking...uhhh....gardening?
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>>152027045
Doesn't look like she does anything within my taste.
>>152027514
Music, she has a guitar(or was it a bass?)
https://youtu.be/U0t_wb0lUW0
>>152027546
Terraria, any strategy game, The Sims for when she wants to experience a real family.
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Here is a unfinished edit of sad Octavia and happy
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>>152027964
Cute
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>>152027964
Could you try giving her a beak?
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>>152027514
I'm pretty sure she likes composing music.
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>>152027514
I think she likes old movies. Especially noir and horror.
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>>152028150
I try. But might be shit
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>>152028213
Something her and Stella can bond over.
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>>152027514
Spending way too much money on audio equipment
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So were Stella and Andre supposed to be fucking but Vivzie cucked out?
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>>152028491
No, it was meant to be one-sided from the start. A Yor and Yuri situation, you know?
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>>152028491
why is she so adamant that he's gay? he calls her "aggressively attractive" ffs
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>>152028491
I think that was her intention at first, but then she pussied out and made him gay as an extra precaution to completely dispel any potential incest allegations
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>>152004509
>>152004561
>>152004567
I wonder if she's ever been eaten out.
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>>152028971
By who? You think brokeass had any desire to get near a woman's parts again after having octavia?
Also, she has been completely loyal in that regard, as far as we know
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>>152028971
I don't think anyone has ever had her scrambled eggs.
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>eating Stella out
I am an appetite. Nothing more.
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>>152029043
>never been eaten out, before or post contractual impregnation
God, this poor poor woman...
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>>152029604
Dont worry, she can experience it vicariously through her daughter by listening to her moans through the door
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>>152029604
>>152029401
>Stella after you sample some of her scramble.
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>>152030131
>You scramble stella's eggs all night long before falling asleep in eachother's arms
>Wake up to her cooking you some scrambled eggs
Every man's dream
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>>152030501
>falling asleep in eachother's arms
This part especially.
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>>152017493
>>152022679

>People complain about Vivziepop's works being heretical
>BOTF uses arch heretics as its inspiration
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New tavi
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>>152017493
we need a fic where some human gets kidnapped and has to survive every ring kinda like reverse dantes inferno i guess
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>>152030571
>pic
Which racing series? F1? WEC? Group B?
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>>152030821
>Random human, lets call him anon, ends up in vivzie hell due to reasons
>Not dead, just disorientated
>Goes on a journey through the underworld trying to not get killed by demons, cannibal sinners and who knows what else while also looking for a way out
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>>152030883
F1 an Indycar.


Now I'm thinking of taking Strika to a NASCAR race or just a local short track.
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>>152030980
I wonder who her favorite driver is? Probably Max Verstappen since he's racism incarnate.
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>>152031003
Well by the sounds of it, you just answered your own question.
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>>152025064
>Octavia has nega-chin, the lower half of her face is concave
>Loona has a chin that would make Jay Leno jealous, the thing juts out over half a foot from her face
LoonaCHAD
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>>152002290
Never
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>>152031638
I would've booked them to have a hours long lesbian orgy but that works too.
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>>152030501
If I got to eat her out and was treated to scrambled eggs, I'd gladly be her boytoy.
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>>152031624
I love her boobies in this pic
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Bump
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Loona having her paws licked...
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>>152025948
and what would you say those guidelines are?
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Icey just posted a new Loona pic.
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>>152033912
>loona's been less of a bitch ever since she met...
Who did she meet?
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>>152034623
(You).
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>>152033506
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>>152033912
nice. love Icey's Loona pics
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>>152031638
Next season introduces the new character, Anon, who saves Octavia and Loona from their shitty parents and the three move in together.
It will never happen, but can you image the reaction among the primary fan base if it did?
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>>152035047
One half would be freaking out about Vivzie going insane or getting hijacked by a 4channer, the other half would scream based and turn their opinions around on Vivzie.
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>>152035047

My idea for canon Loona HMOFA is this

>IMP has a target attending a con
>not a furry con but there are furries there
>Loona doesn't wear a disguise
>most men into Loona are creeps but she meets a guy who isn't
>maybe he helps her up after he eats shit
>really hits it off with the guy and uses shapeshifting to pretend its a costume
>IMP completes mission
>Loona confesses to guy that she's actually a Hellhound
>neither are fully on board with a relationship but they're considering it
>he isn't afraid and says he still wants to see her
>killed by Truck kun
>cut to heaven where we see the guy has a very human looking winner form
>finds another wolf chick in Heaven
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older tavi
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>>152035745
finally a good older Octavia, god.

I swear that one fanfic where she is older was very annoying because I couldn't actually visualize her
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>>152035922
>that one fanfic where she is older
sauce?
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>>152035745
The time skip between Season 3 and 4 when we finally get to see older Via is going to be a thing of beauty.
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>>152030501
>falling asleep in eachother's arms
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>>152034833
OwO
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>>152036987
>Bee says she's a snack.
>You test that theory by getting Vortex to nibble her tummy.
>She giggles like a schoolgirl
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>>152037013
>even in your fantasies you're a third wheel
I'm so sorry man
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>>152037247
nta, but maybe he only wants to be bros with bee and tex, not everything needs to be sexual
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>>152037270
that's fair I suppose
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why is octavia gay for her high school teacher?
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>>152037355
Octavia goes to a highschool?
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>>152037013
I imagine her toes taste like honey and her beans like cotton candy.
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>>152037393
you think she just sits at home all day?
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>>152037435
I figured she was homeschooled.
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>>152003774
Lucky vortex
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>look for pictures of octavia on x
>start getting loona pics in my recommended as well
>noice
>slowly start getting stolas X blitzo and HB pics as well
>thats to be expected, i guess
>day by day the octavia/loona pics start to dry up
>not only get ”””wholesome””” homo bird pictures
>mfw
i played myself
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What is Loona's dream car?
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>>152037631
Model t
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>>152037355
Margaret?
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>>152037631
miata
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>>152037607
You let the algorithm take control.
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blitzo meet the true blitzo
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>>152037949
>I've finally fuckin' found ya! Ya stupid red-faced whiskey dick faker!
>"Sir that's a bottle of cleaning fluid."
>I KNOW WHAT IT IS MOX. YOU THINK I CAN'T FUCKIN' READ SPANISH?
>*BLAM!*
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if you ended up in vivziehell, but the genders were reversed, would you want to remain as you are or would you want to be turned female so you could still be with your respective ”girl”
>inb4 tranny post
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>>152038400
Remain as I am.

That I way can flirt viably with Strika when she appears.
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>>152038400
can't you just be with them as you are
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>>152038550
>can't you just be with them as you are
might work for loono, but idk about the others, such as octavian, Mstella, Mverosika etc
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>>152038400
Doing gay stuff with Loono would be hot.
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>>152038629
Fag.
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>>152038661
Yes.
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>>152038400
tranny post
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>>152038688
At least you know your place.
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would you guys still like your respective waifu if she were a different species?
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>>152039120
does she love me?
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>>152039151
would the normal version of her love you?
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>>152039159
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>>152033150
>Yeah hi I'd like to speak mister I.C.Wiener
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>>152033912
You ever feel like Loona in this artist’s comics feels uncharacteristically nice?
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>>152040011
she's been tamed by having a healthy relationship apparently
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>>152040011
The appeal is a hot mean goth girl being better for a guy she likes.
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>>152040128
sloptavia...
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>>152038400
This means I can go for Strika or Paimom.
>>152038431
Based Strika enjoyer.
>>152038774
Salsa.
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>>152039759
Her voice is sooo pretty, oh my God.
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I don't get the appeal of Octavia
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>>152038629
King Bee and FemVortex inviting you to a threesome
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>>152040289
>I dont get the appeal of a vulnerable, socially awkward, quirky, rich and powerful girl who is likely starved for attention and intimacy to the point she is likely to latch to anyone willing to give her a shred of it
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>>152040402
Imagine laying in a field staring in awe at the cosmos with Ocavia cuddling up to you.
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>>152040402
The Eternal Sky
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>>152039159
...No
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I wonder if someone’s going to make an ackjak of Striker considering the last chapter of HILTLHH
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>>152040755
That would be pretty funny
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Despite Stella being the type of person I couldn't stand in real life, I keep coming back to helluva boss for her and her alone. I might be addicted, but even if I was in helluva boss I wouldn't touch Stella with a twenty foot pole unless I somehow managed to become one of the strongest beings in hell. Without that added safety being around Stella would be like being around an active volcano. She's the type of woman I think you need to manhandle into sex for each day of your marriage if you want your relationship to succeed.
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>>152040878
Shes all bark no bite, she folds like a stack of cards when put under any pressure, like when stolas grabs her arm or when her brother gets angry with her for not having told him about the book earlier
Not only that, but shes got no magical powers as far as we have seen so far
So just be a bigger bitch than her, scream louder and be more in her face and she will bend to your will
Shes just a brat in dire need of correction
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What would Stella do if you punched her in the schnoz?
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>>152040966
Normally I don't like to talk about fixing evil women, but in Stella's case I feel like a good chunk of her problems and shitty habits would vanish after a month or two of daily hardcore sex without compromising what makes her so alluring. She's definitely someone that needs to be tamed, but I wouldn't downplay the potential power of an influential demon like her.
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>>152040966
She's still an angry 10 foot tall bird woman who's stronger than a Human. You can't just jump in swinging your cock around and expect her to accept it because you offered. She'd probably pick you up and tear you in half or something. You'd need some powerful magic transformation to even the playing ground.
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>>152041107
magic or transformation meant to say. You could be a wizard, or turn into a giant hellhound or whatever.
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>>152013453
we're in a loneliness epidemic.
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>>152041107
Good point, but even just being hell nobility makes the bar for entry insanely high. She doesn't need to be physically strong to be surrounded by demonic guards 24/7. Still, if it isn't worth it.
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>>152040979
By "punched", did you mean to say "kissed"?
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>>152041119
>giant hellhound ripping her dress off and fucking her right there in the dining room
Anon this is how a lot of women's erotica gets written
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>>152041107
>>152041153
I could do it, I've become more powerful than any Jedi.
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>>152041167
I mean PUNCHED
>>152041201
You know Dooku probably actually is Stella's type
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>>152041201
As would any anon of good taste, but it wouldn't be simple. On the other hand if it was would there by any point?
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>>152041107
I was actually thinking about apprentice anon handling her
She'd grow used to seeing him in time and maybe even grow to tolerate him depending to how he plays his cards, but after she fucks over stolas he sees her making octavia cry by rubbing it in and just goes "THATS ENOUGH!" which immediately shuts her down, then just stares her in the eyes and tells her to leave, which she does with her tail between her legs
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>>152040966
>Shes just a brat in dire need of correction
https://youtu.be/DnELL9dqt_I
>You've had enough of Stella's uppityness, so you grab her and bend her over the couch.
>She's yelling at you, threating to kill you.
>Then you swat her posterior, she's silent, dead silent.
>Maybe she learned her lesson quickly?
>She turns her head around to look at you. "Harder" she enthusiastically tells you, and you oblige.
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>>152041107
>>152041119
or a super saiyan
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>>152041286
Question, how many brats can you all handle?
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>>152041220
>I mean PUNCHED
Then I reject your question!
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>>152041328
AIIEEEEE
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>>152041147
No we're not.
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>wimpy anons talking about 'taming' anybody
You faggots can't even tame your so-called 'loneliness epidemic,' or tidy up your living space, or work out more despite swearing you'll make it to the gym. Or even stop jerking off to whatever weird porn you probably like and feel bad about every time. You can't 'tame' shit. YOU ARE TAMED.
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>>152041768
Yes we are
I am 25 and have never been with a woman, because all girls i ever tried to hit on have rejected me
I got desperate and deluded myself into trying gay shit, which i regret deeply
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>>152041812
>3d women when owl is right there
Shiggy diggy.
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Make all the armchair analyses you want, I'm just here for cute demon women.
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>>152041796
Jokes on you man, I just tidied up my room and my cat is loving it. I can tame my epidemics whenever I want.
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>>152041796
Don't project your own failings on others.
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>>152042051
That's literally all this thread is.
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>>152042205
Hey, thats not true
Some of us just like to fantasize about the girls
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>>152042480
Cute pic.
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>>152042166
PERFECTION INCARNATE
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>>152041232
EVERY SINGLE APPRENTICE ANON POST I SEE IS SO FUCKING GAY HOLY SHIT
>>152041286
BRAT TAMING SEX WITH STELLA
>>152040878
THE WORDS OF A LESSER MAN
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Imagine being hugged by octavia, feeling her fluffy feathers encompass you, smelling her long, voluminous hair, looking into those big, shinning purple eyes as she opens herself up to you and shows you her fragility, her weakness, trusting you fully to not hurt her
Experiencing her pure and uncorrupted love, not smeared by betrayal or pain like her parents
I want to protect her smile
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>>152043249
imagine being hugged
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>>152043328
Yeah...
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>>152043444
You will get your hug soon, Anons, I'm sure of it.
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>No more hugs, anon.
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>>152002290
I'd prefer to see Loona and Octavia lez out, myself.
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