It's very funny that the DCAU had no idea at all what to do with Wonder Woman. There's no bigger mess of a major character in JL and JLU. They botch her origin story not once, not twice, but THRICE. She doesn't even get the Lasso of Truth until well into JLU because the fucking thing doesn't actually make people tell the truth; for most of her screentime it's just a big rope she uses.She is consistently the least-entertaining of the main Leaguers, and all her episodes suck. Her most meaningful contribution to the DCAU is being one of Batman's love interests. Beyond that, she spends a lot of her runtime in a state of PMS because she's angry as fuck in episode after episode. It's entertaining but nothing like her established comics character. On top of that they make Hades her dad, incredibly, which I will say is more interesting than just making her one of Zeus' bastards like the mainstream comics did.It's actually amusing how bad she sucks. Batman is great, Superman is great, but Wonder Woman's a smoking crater of a character. And it's not even that Timm, Dini, McDuffie, etc. sucked at writing women, because Hawkgirl is perfectly fine. No, it's just Diana in particular who's absolutely awful.
>>152005943Didn’t read. Post the loli version
>>152005943She is boring in most stuff she appears in so whatever
Absolute Diana is the best version of her
>>152005943>It's actually amusing how bad she sucks. Batman is great, Superman is great, but Wonder Woman's a smoking crater of a character. And it's not even that Timm, Dini, McDuffie, etc. sucked at writing women, because Hawkgirl is perfectly fine. No, it's just Diana in particular who's absolutely awful.Remove the bondage from a bondage fetish character and you're left with a blank slate. All WW parodies still poke fun at her bondage/DiD past so might as well embrace it if its still firmly associated with her anyway.
you say it's the cartoon but it's her character in the comics tooShe's been written overwritten and rewritten so many times nothing really sticks with herThe only time she works is when they ditch the greek shit and have her be a secret agent lady (Lynda Carter)
>>152005943>Wonder Woman >"not entertaining" Not with that design she ain't!
>>152005984
>>152005943honestly it’s a real shame the team didn’t get to do a DCAU WW animated series, that woulda at least given ‘em a platform to burn off all the issue: https://youtu.be/omg_75Cce0w?
>>152007244also just to level here; that woulda made a great cassie sandsmark design blueprint
WW just isn't very interesting
>>152005943she's just a fundamentally shit character
People for some reason only care about lil wonder
I started skipping her episodes when I watched it. Maybe they should just permanently turn her into a loli.
>>152007392How did this artist know exactly what I look like???
>>152005943Because Everyone at DCAU plus Damn DilDo and his buddies simply HATES the old TV show and Lynda Carter altogether.DCAU Diana is just a retarded Wonder Amazon with zero humanity and zero Woman, plus the fact that all were batfags who even despised Terry too, their own creation who eclipsed Bruce.DiDio and his buddies damaged DC so hard that the only thing that salvaged and saved WW was Absolute.
>>152005943Blame Timm and Dini who didn’t understand Diana.
>>152007512More like all were batfags and ignored the other DC characters.I blame Denny O'Neil for this
>>152005943>only personal villains were, what, Felix Faust and Hades?>all of her other rogues had no relation to her at all besides Circe, and even then she just turned her into a pig and never actually interacted with her in any capacity
>>152007548Yeah it seemed those guys didn’t give 2 shits about the WW mythos
>>152007582they only read batman
>>152007582WW doesn't care about Greek myths either.
Should've stayed as Wonder Loli
>>152007512>Everyone wanting to tapdance around the known problem with her characterThe estate of basically her creator basically nerfed what DC could and couldn't do with her for decades. That's a huge problem when the end result is there basically isn't any "character defining" thing about her beyond her origin and the Perez run. To this fucking day they are still desperately trying to create the Batman: Year One, Man of Steel, GL: Rebirth, or Wally Flash run that sets a stage to define her character yet those all hinged on decades of what came before them for a solid foundation that isn't really built for her.
>>152005943A lot of writers have a weird desire to write her as humorless as possible and think making her “warm and caring” would be sexist as if those are negative traits (plus they give that personality to Superman for some reason)
>>152007950Agreed
>>152007950>A lot of writers have a weird desire to write her as humorless as possible and think making her “warm and caring” would be sexist as if those are negative traits (plus they give that personality to Superman for some reason)Kingdom Come did her a lot of damage, even though it was supposed to be a version of her who went wrong.
It's a greater problem with the DCAU that, despite being called a universe, wasn't really planned or anything properly. BTAS was made with the Burton inspored set up of Batman being the one real hero and thus downplaying any other superpowers(Zatanna being a plain stage magician, Count Vertigo just using an eyepatch for his powers),to jumping into introducing a lot of other DC characters in TNBA and STAS without any plans to revisit them. Beyond then gives it an endpoint to lead up to that locked them down on some things before they ever planned a JL show.JL doesn't even really build off the intros of Flash and GL in STAS, and thus has to toss all these characters together and make stories immediately without any room to really grow. It's probably why they gravitated to Hawkgirl and John stewart (and Martian Manhunter to an extent) because there were far less expectations on those characters going in.
>>152007489Dan Didio hates the old Wonder Woman show?
>>152005943Anon, it's because the feminist cunts and wierdo AGP suffering creeps would have a fit if they gave her a personality.And by they time they relaized that they might want to do something outside of making her the woman and an interchangable flying brick it was too late.SOThey basically started stealing from HawkWoman and adding it to her even going so far as to get rid of Hawk Woman because she was the only female character that anyone actually liked or respected. Even her "loli" version acts exactly how you would expect a "loli" version of Hawkwoman to act. Not WW. Which is why everyone here likes the loli version. If anything she would be the "boys suck me am angry" little girl that picked on everybody as a kid.
>>152007950Anon, no one knows WW as warm and caring and her "ambassador of peace" from a race of violently misandrist bondage lesbian thing is fucking always going to be retarded. She's just fundamentally an unworkable and confrontational character that can't work as a popular likeable heroineShe's well known yes, and they HAVE to use her to keep control of the character. But that's all the character has going for her.
>>152008737Dan is the retard who thinks that diana should be a boring lesbo bait warrior woman like xena at later seasons, ofc he hates the TV show
Most people who write comics or cartoons about comics have never read a Wonder Woman comic so their knowledge of her begins and ends with her appearances in various Justice League comics where she was usually there just to be there. The most poisonous takes are those who decide to use her characterization from Kingdom Come, the only other book featuring Wonder Woman that they've read. Maybe a handful have read a few of the Perez comics from the post-crisis reboot and/or the Azzarello New 52 reboot. More of a mascot than a character as far as most people are concerned.
>>152007489They didn't even like the old Batman show in the 60s and did all they could to avoid being compared to it (i.e. Robin is often away at college and doesn't suit up often). Sure, they threw Adam West a bone with the Gray Ghost, but a lot of that was essentially reflecting how much his career tanked after Batman ended as Adam hadn't fully embraced hamming up his reputation for comedy yet.
>>152008672>>152008864I've read Kingdom Come a few times over the years but I can't for the life of me remember Wonder Woman's part in it
>>152009163>Angry over the failure of her diplomatic mission to Man's World>More militant than Superman, using armor and sword instead of lasso>Tries to start relationship with Superman>Kills a guy with her magic sword in the final battle that escalates the stakes>Counterpart to Batman who is the leader of the peacemaker faction
>>152009163She's surly and willing to kill the antiheroes who decided to kill all their villains because they're too reckless. Geoff Johns initially used this take for his New 52 Justice League Wonder Woman but enough people yelled at him to read actual Wonder Woman comics that he course corrected after Forever Evil.
>>152009217Compare that to the Diana of the old who was mostly the voice of reason, was a JAG to the airforce and even was dealing with conspiracies and divine shenanigans on a normal basis and was competent.>>152009237Only to be ruined later by DiDio and Lee again
>>152005943Women simply don't make for interesting characters AND superheroes.
>>152005943They mostly just made her a huge cunt with anger issues but overall its not that bad or as big a deal as youre making it seem. >>152007261No one is 'interesting' if you acct like a reductionist and choose to boil them down to nothing and intentionally ignore what people do like about them
It is very easy to write an appealing Wonder Woman. Porn artists do it all the time. You just can't do it with HR in the room.
>>152009259That's ridiculous. Wonder Woman suffers from being trapped in the role of the most iconic female superhero and counterpart to Superman, so she's not allowed to have flaws or even lose her virginity.
>>152005943>men cannot write woman character whose brand revolves around feminismshocker
>>152007950It needs to be said that 'warm and caring' isnt enough because you can still have that with everything about her being wrong like in absolute wonder woman. She isnt 'mean' and the issue with it isnt that shes kind. But I agree especially in this show WW is insane and has a short temper for no real reason.
>>152008787Wrong, Perez run is the best because he addressed all the issues and made it work. perez run + Lynda Carter show is kino its not even up for debate unless you havent read or watched these.
>>152009285she is based on the first wave, which modern chucklefucks hates it
>>152005943>It's very funny that DC had no idea at all what to do with Wonder Womanfixed that for you
>>152006037super woman would make wonderslut a crime syndicate sex toy
>>152009250>woman>voice of reasonthe biggest joke of them all
>>152009283>so she's not allowed to have flaws or even lose her virginity.This was only true as recently as the 00s. Culture changed and they were just fine showing her in bed with Supes in the early years of the New 52.
>>152009357>retard never read the old comics
>>152007529damn brat
>>152009375>he doesn't recognize love from Kazakhstan
>>152005984Kill yourself
>>152009374>This was only true as recently as the 00s. Culture changed and they were just fine showing her in bed with Supes in the early years of the New 52.Lol I forgot about that. Everyone hated that though and it's not canon anymore. Probably. Who can tell with DC?
>>152009374>>152009395didn't they do this retarded love triangle plot were bruce got jelly and bataranged a bunch of tv screens showing them together?
>>152009283Not true any more. They brought Steve Trevor back as her love interest from when Perez stopped that in 1987
>>152009399Yeah, ended up a dropped plot point, "Trinity War" became something else.
>>152009420i wonder how they explained that away if they didn't pretend it never happened
>>152009285More like feminism-based characters are inherently garbage.
>>152007590Reminder that Superman TAS was gonna be a series all about team-ups with other heroes until an executive told them to fucking focus on Superman's actual mythos
>>152008787>her "ambassador of peace" from a race of violently misandrist bondage lesbian thing is fucking always going to be retarded.That's just how diplomatic missions work in the real world, anon.
>>152009645For once a based decision from execs.I liked the Flash episode though, but honestly because it stood out. If every episode was some gay crossover, it would've gotten annoying quickly.
>>152005943Funnily enough, the DCAU has been having a more critical examination by comic zoomers of all peopleSuperman fans think the character's supporting cast was done dirty and that Timm and Dini's lack of enthusiasm for the character compared to Batman is evidentTheir own comments on Superman's rogues gallery falls flat to them because they could've easily used Terra-Man, Lord Satanis, etc Hell, Mongul didn't even show up until Justice LeagueThey also think World of Cardboard is overrated Hawkfans (yes they exist) are pretty miffed as well
>>152009734I wish DC would do more to separate this guy from Lady Blaze’s brother. For the longest time I thought they were intended to be the same character.
>>152009663Well, I wouldn't have minded seeing a 3-way team up between Supes, Volcana & Live Wire
>>152007529cute
>>152009734Even Terry McGinnis was screwed, worse all of this happened under dini and timm receiving tutelage from fucking Denny O'Neil and Dwayne McDuffieAnd Terry Saved the DCAU after the shitshow that was TNBA and its movies.
>>152009734>Superman fans think the character's supporting cast was done dirtyI don't see how.>Their own comments on Superman's rogues gallery falls flat to them because they could've easily used Terra-Man, Lord Satanis, etcHell, Mongul didn't even show up until Justice LeagueBoth pre-crisis and post-crisis Terra-Man are incredibly corny. A network television cartoon is not going to let them use a character called "Lord Satanus." Mongul just has the one famous story and they couldn't do it without Wonder Woman whom they weren't allowed to use as a guest star.DCAU Superman is my preferred version of Superman. Golden Age comics were too simple. Silver Age comics too goofy. Bronze Age had a number of good stories, but they were saddled with the baggage of the silver age and they had a status quo that didn't quite feel right of Clark Kent being a tv reporter. The Reeves films had too much silver age goofiness. Post-crisis continuity threw out too much baby with the bath water with that hard line against having any kind of silver age goofiness whatsoever. Timm and company did a fine job of drawing from all these takes into a unified vision.
>>152009882it worked fine, the original plan was to keep everything old til the suits wanted a modern metropolis as modern as 90's NY, Seattle, Phily and SF.Even the suit fashion of the cast fit the idea well.But then, one point people forgets, Superman TAS was also under the thrice cursed Superman Manifesto of DC til the higher ups found a way to ignore it.Thus we got the kents alive and well, non bubblegum but OG Kara as Supergirl, and we got Livewire, as Darkseid.
Thinking of picking up a Wonder Woman omnibus, are the golden age stories good?Or should I get the silver age one?
>>152009882Comic zoomers do NOT like Byrne Superman which TAS seemed to lean intoThey're basically echoing the old sentiment like pic related
>>152005943Diana was a novelty of her time period, literally being the first female superhero with her own set of comics focused on her as the protagonist. As other female superheroes became more predominant, any novelty Wonder Woman had was quickly lost. She’s still there because she was the first, but that’s the only reason she’s there.
>>152010012Daft, they took the good ideas and discarded the bad ones which is how these things go. Loeb, Waid, Johns, Robinson, etc were also informed by TAS when they brought back or retconned in some of that silver age goofiness back into post-crisis Superman.
>>152007950Say what you will about the Wonder Woman film but goddammit they mafe Diana a warm loving person and leaned into that aspect of her Femininity and it works.
>>152010215Kal-El, nooo
>>152006037I forget, did super woman have a lasso too?
>>152010404yeah
>>152009734>They also think World of Cardboard is overratedWhile nice to finally see Superman cut loose, it was immediately undercut by Darkseid zapping him into submission anyway.
I think Wonder Woman should lean more into the modern day Greek Hero and go around beating up evil mythical creatures and crytids.
>>152010545should've given him the special tramp stamphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnJVR_Lp6dE
Wonder Wonder should be a sexy fetish action hero with some philosophy mixed in. I always liked the idea that she would reform her villains and turn them into allies and I think that would work great and resonate with those familiar with shonen heroes.
>>152010615>"The spankings will continue after you complete another week of community service."
>>152010558She does that already too.
>>152005943Superman was kinda mid too
>>152010738>Wonder Woman sales rise by 75% this quarter.
>>152010615>>152010738>>152011046
>>152010615She should basically be Cutey Honey Socrates Jesus.
>>152011548Exactly.
>>152009734>Superman fans think the character's supporting cast was done dirty and that Timm and Dini's lack of enthusiasm for the character compared to Batman is evidentSTAS is a great show, though. I'd argue it's as good as BTAS in its own way.
>>152007392both are good...the order is in you...
>>152007259(koff)
>>152007582Could be worse, you could be Green Lantern.
>>152005943>that scene on her day off when some guys tried to rob a place and she stands in the middle of the road in her civies and the moron driving grins and revs the engine to run her down and she punches the hood of the car and launches themShe was kino
>>152009789what the fuck I thought the same until now
>>152005943Would the DCAU been better off if they had to use Big Barda instead of her? Rights issued almost made that happen. (And literally did so for the JL in Batman Beyond) And in Gods and Monsters they made WW a New God.
>>152005943Yeah it's a real 'wonder' how they botched her so badly.She's not that hard to do, just tell her origin story. Greek gods, made from clay. Simpler than Superman's origin, even.Then she has a few core tools. Two of them are already on her with her tiara and bracelets. Third is the lasso. It's also a fun, creative weapon. Great for an action cartoon.I understand her personality is inconsistent, but she's never just been some angry bitch. There are Justice League comics which do Diana okay, they could have just used them
>>152006085Don't act like you read her comics, because you clearly don't.
>>152009978In the Golden Age, she's not a typical vigilante superhero. She debuted at the tail end of the first superhero cycle in comics (1938-1941) and was a kind of a response to everything that had come before (Superman, Captain Marvel, Captain America, et cetera). She was more of a guardian angel who tried to change bad guys into good guys or help victims stand up to bullies, not a vigilante who just beat up or locked up the bad guys and stopped their evil scheme. It was a slightly different wish fulfillment fantasy: not a "punish the wicked" character like Batman, but a "love your enemies" character. After the creator died, the comic book company didn't know what to do with her, and still doesn't, with occasional exceptions. Female vigilantes just aren't that popular. If she went back to being a guardian angel, she'd probably sell better.
>>152005993Wonder Woman is great. In her own stuff.Justice League writers for shows and movies don't know anything about her though and inevitably fuck her up>>152006021I like Absolute Wondie.But the original William Marston Diana, and the George Perez post crisis Wonder Woman are both just as great
>>152007379>>152007261This is the dumb shit you say when you only watch children's cartoons and don't read the comics
>>152007950There is a weird perception a lot of male writers have that if they make a woman act like a woman, that will make her weak.So to have a woman action heroine, they need to make a dude with tits.
>>152008767I think it's more of a insecure male feminist thing than a feminist thing.Because Wonder Woman is written by feminists a lot, and usually she's pretty alright. They get her thing of being a compassionate and kind heroine.It must be a mix of male feminists thinking that feminine qualities will be seen as sexist or are inherently weak, and other dudes thinking a butch warrior princess is hot.
>>152014581That's not to say she doesn't do vigilante-type stuff, but in Golden Age Wonder Woman stories, there's often some character who learns a lesson and grows as a person or is liberated somehow as a result of something Wonder Woman does. She goes around doing good deeds and changing people's lives for the better, either directly or by example.In the 1970s Wonder Woman TV series, the first season generally follows this "guardian angel" template, and it always won its time slot. In the 2nd and 3rd seasons, the heroine was changed to a more conventional formulaic vigilante superhero and the ratings collapsed.
>>152009734I am a comic Zoomer and I don't really care for the DCAU.I mean so many of the characters are just not done well.>Wonder Woman is terrible in the DCAU>Aquaman (my personal favorite) isn't even present really.>Hawkman doesn't even really exist>Jimmy Olsen has less of a role than the Lois and Clark rom com, even.>Constant Bat-wank (appropriate for DC)I don't really watch cartoons, but if I were to watch a DC cartoon, it would probably be the Teen Titans or Batman: Brave and the Bold.
>>152009882>I don't see how.Well Jimmy Olsen is barely there, Lois and Clark's relationship never progresses like it had already done in the comics and the live action 90s show, I don't think Steve Lombard or Cat Grant are in the DCAU at all.
>>152009978>are the golden age stories good?Yes actually. For the standards of Golden age stories they're great.Good art, a lot of bondage if you're in to that sort of thing, very creative.Golden age is great, Perez's post crisis run is also great.
>>152010215The Wonder Woman movie was probably the best of the whole of the DCEU.They got her personality down very well.I even also liked WW1984.Though that's in a much different style of liking
>>152010558You should read the Perez run, then.
>>152014726the ratings remained fine until it had to compete with Diff'rent Strokes
>>152005943Anon that's just Wonder Woman in general.
>>152014581>>152014726It was also part of the general vibe of 1st-2nd wave feminist ideas that were present since the suffragettes which likely influenced her creator's whole "Femdom creates a brighter future" schtick.The further you go back, the more the general notion of feminism still ultimately has this traditionalist view that it is woman who tames man. Man must act with woman to guide him and sooth the savage beast. Et cetera. That sorta only changed into the 1970s when the stagnation crisis and the 1983 crash got rid of the single working parent home and thus pushed more working class women into the labor force in full time positions. With most jobs being considered masculine in nature, it became a "yes we can" sort of thing since the roles that were more associated with femininity (nursing, teaching, etc) only had so many open positions.We don't historically revise that but we often omit it from our history books because we don't like to admit how much of our social climate was determined by economic necessity given the "greatest country in the world" vibe American history classes try to give
>>152014758>Well Jimmy Olsen is barely thereHe's the #3 most appearing character behind Superman and Lois. He had more appearances than Luthor.>Lois and Clark's relationship never progresses like it had already done in the comics and the live action 90s show,She and Superman become a couple in the finale (which was supposed to be a season premiere but then it got cancelled so they could focus entirely on Batman Beyond). Timm preferred the bronze age take of Lois being Superman's girlfriend, not Clark's, and had this continue into JLU and did a alternate take on this dynamic in Superman: Doomsday.>I don't think Steve Lombard or Cat Grant are in the DCAU at all.Cat Grant was replaced by Angela Chen because this was back when creatives would create a new character instead of lazily changing someone's race when the cast needed racial diversity. Lombard wasn't particularly important, he was more of a bronze age character who showed up just a few times in the early post-crisis comics before STAS aired. They had moved away from the "Clark gets bullied" set-up in favor of a more confident Clark. In addition to those Bibbo showed up about half a dozen times and you had Perry White, Maggie Sawyer, Dan Turpin, Professor Hamilton, the Kents, Lana Lang. Cast was fine.
>>152014581I love the original take on Wonder Woman. As I mentioned earlier, her rehabilitating her villains was a cool concept. I think that would be pretty subversive—in a good way—today, particularly since we’re so prone to demonize people who’ve fucked up. That and it has a shonen quality to it, where the villains can turn and join with the heroes down the line.
>>152014557>>152005943WW's origin story is garbage, it's a Pandora rip-off but a Mary Sue version.
>>152008833Between this and what he did to Young Justice I have to wonder what his deal is.
>>152016056Did he push the gayshit & the nonbinary muslim corpse possessed by a motherbox?
>>152016056He thought comics needed to be the way they were when he was a kid, and also ultra edgy because he was now an adult.
>>152014733>>Hawkman doesn't even really existHe exists, both versions were shat on.
>>152014285same, I thought "Satanis" was a typo or alternate spelling for "Satanus"
>>152016312>He thought comics needed to be the way they were when he was a kid, and also ultra edgy because he was now an adult.He pulled it off in ReBoot seasons 2 and 3 (the ultimate "my children's cartoon has blossomed into a mature and edgy show for mature and edgy viewers such as myself") and then thought it was the perfect storytelling model.
>>152016513Yeah, the first one couldn't be Katar because DC editorial didn't want them doing a villain Hawkman so they had to do "Hro Talak".Same thing with Fury being Arisia.
>>152015887kys
This turned out to be a cozy thread, despite the initial premise.
>retards still trying to pretend Wonder Woman is anything but a garbage character created by a faggy commie retard with a fetishLol. Lmao.
I think Diana is pretty cool.
>>152017803But she wears satin tights
>>152008719>Beyond then gives it an endpoint to lead up to that locked them down on some things before they ever planned a JL show.love Beyond but treating it's future as the canon future of the DCAU was a gigantic mistake>>152009734DCAU is great overall but yeah there definitely are some weak spots when you step outside of the Batman corners
>>152009734has superman tried having a supporting cast that wasn't completely useless?
>>152017951how cool was she?
>>152005943>It's very funny that the DCAU had no idea at all what to do with Wonder Woman.To be fair, nobody has any idea what to do with Wonder Woman.
Artemis is the best wonder woman.
>>152018827i forgot that horrible outfit they put diana in
>>152018678prettty dang cool, phil
>>152009734also ithink we've come to notice not every BTaS episode is considered absolute gold(at least, not the ones not covered by extensive video essay channels tryin' to prove a point)
>>152018716Just having her stand there and be the female flying brick who fluctuates between superman level and JUUUUUUST strong enough to strugle against female baddies is good enough in basically all media. Her supporting cast sucks, her villains are better off as either antiheroes or villains for the league like circe as a world level magical threat or Azzarely Ares as a true and more interesting version of the character.Her origin is both problematic and retarded. DCAU had the right idea. Just have her be the personality devoid iconic flying brick and have the actual personality and stories with the other women on the team.
>>152018861i remember actually enjoying azzarello's wondy run, which is more than what i can say for most comics
Now that I think about it, Wonder Woman's feminist discourse is outdated or useless today.It has been shown that current feminists don't want equality, only benefits.
>>152005943She's highly satanic because she worships the false gods of the geeks
>>152018935Wonder Woman's feminist discourse is useless because she's a clay golem born beautiful to a monorace of man hating lesbians as their princess.She no more knows less about the struggles of normal women then fucking guy gardener. Her being the feminist mouth piece says more about how feminism has fuck all to do with women and is just a cult of perverse loons pushing an ideology championed by perverts and powerful protected people.
>>152018991unintentionally based
>>152005984It's crazy how simply de-aging her made her a so much more interesting character. She's spunky and seemed to really revel in being young again. Whereas, adult Wonder Woman is just so bland and boring.
The only non BTAS character from the DCAU that is good is Lex Luthor.
>>152019005Wonder Loli should be a Stacy and an Instagram and TikTok celebrity.>Wondy: Hey Wonderfans, it's your Princess Diana here. Today we'll be judging Supergirl's new outfit. Spoiler alert: it's a disaster.
>>152019068kek
>>152018991>to a monorace of man hating lesbians as their princess.Nah, the golden age amazons were too much bisluts to be misandrists.
>>152019106All men were to be killed if they went to the island. Where is the bisexuality happening? With the animals?
>>152019068>City Stacy is bullying the farm girl.Things never change.
>>152014895me luv azura
>>152018832Nah the outfit is good for the fact she was removed from being WW and Artemis took her place, plus we got some good shit out of it.It was Diana's Attitude Era to say at least
>>152019421it's uglylike beta bitch bondage afraid to be real bondage
>>152019474It was a wrestling outfit jackass
>>152019596my point stands
>>152005984Based
>>152009798>VolcanaOne of these characters who had potential but never was given the chance.
>>152020036At least she’s finally in comics since a year ago.
>>152020138It is surprising how long it took.
>>152020138She is?But let me guess. There is a BUT here somewhere?
>>152020147Well she appeared in the Black Lightning miniseries.Hasn’t been in Superman comics yet.
>>152020184What is DC smoking these days?
>>152018953Piss off christkike
>>152018010No one's going to devote 52 episodes to a "possible future." That was Bruce Timm's future.>>152018846No one ever thought every episode of BTAS was great at any point in time. There's no such thing as a perfect series.
How did Wonder Woman got created?
>>152007448Dr. Manhattan...?
>>152021085>Marston: superheroes are too violent, and teaching bad morals to children.>Proto-dc: OK, what should we do?>Marston: publish a dommy mommy pacifist, obviously. The rest is history.
>>152009734The world of cardboard thing is such a weird anticlimax out of nowhere when you actually watch it.
>>152007950I think a lot of dudes write female characters like a nagging wife or mom. So many shows or movies have the girl as the straight man while the guys are bouncing off the walls with jokes and personalities.
>>152009734>Funnily enough, the DCAU has been having a more critical examination by comic zoomers of all peopleGot any links to actual examples?
I always thought it would be cool if WW had a villain she had mutual sexual tension with. Maybe she even turns him to her side—even if just partially—after a long build-up. And not a Greek god either.
>>152021707I always thought it would be cool if WW had a villain that raped and impregnated her
>>152021717That already happened with Carol Danvers. I’d like something new.
>>152021748That's like and impregnating a used condom
>>152005943Wonder Cunny clears
>>152021707Isn't that just post rebirth cheetah
>>152021984No, not really.
>>152010558>>152010615Wonder Woman works best in pulpy globetrotting adventures
>>152022010She's too powerful for that. So she's relegated to fighting giant monsters and gods and shit. She's just the female superman with a retarded origin. She would have to be depowered quite a bit to make that work with her. >>152021984Yeah...go for it. Put her in the homo ghetto with the others.
>>152022038NTA, but I think Wonder Woman worked best with her pre-Crisis power set. Where she’s nowhere near as powerful as Superman but still stronger than most heroes. It gives more room to tell stories with her when she doesn’t have to be a flying brick.
>>152021984yeah, sounds lame.
>>152022038Just remove the flight and the powers are fixed.
>>152022081I agree. Make her tool set actually DEMANDED for her to stand next to heavy hitters like superman but are situational and are only effective because she's trained wellThe bracelets are a shield and protect her from powerful attacks physical and magicalThe tiara turns into a sword The girdle gives her extraordinary magical strengthHer lasso gives her connection to magic and shit and is a symbol created by some ancient god or titan. All have to be important to her and allow her to fight with the big leaguesWithout it she's just another well above average strength character. Maybe class 5 and can tank bullets but she's vulnerable to higher caliber weapons and cutting instruments.>>152022316She's still a superman level character in terms of strength durability speed stamina etc etc. Removing flight doesn't do anything outside of require her to use the invisible jet or hermes boots to fly.
>>152005943The DCAU struggled to figure out what to do with any Justice Leaguer who wasn't Batman, Green Lantern or Hawkgirl. They figured out Superman in STAS, but lost it for JL(U). And they kind of figured out The Flash towards the end of JL(U) but, otherwise, they never fully grasped the main seven and it was all Batwank all day long.
>>152022551The DCAU squandered a lot of potential by hyperfocusing on Batman.
>>152005943I liked DCAU Wondy. :'(
>>152022551>>152022562Big Seven Justice League is just nearly-impossible to write well. They had no runs they could use as a blueprint because Morrison was just too weird and inappropriate for a cartoon, and the silver and bronze age Justice League were written in a "don't think about this too much or at all" manner.
>>152023149yeah me too ToT
>>152022551>lost it for JLUThe Cadmus Arc is one big Superman story and it's great.
>>152007702Should be Superman
>>152009259Sadly this is the case
>>152009259being sexy does wonders for bothespecially if they're raped
>>152023167That and It became kinda obvious in JLU that the original seven were just way too OP to have all at once.
>>152021748>That already happened with Carol Danvers.Okay, if Carol was raped by her own son, then... Wonder Woman is raped by her grandson, or better yet, by her three grandsons!Perfect, Anon, print a million copies.>her grandchildren are also her grandparents.
>>152025502i mean, it would be accurate to greek legends
>>152025520Oh! But you haven't seen the big plot twist yet!It turns out Zeus and Poseidon are behind it all.
I’d like less Greek gods in Wonder Woman. I mean, I liked them when Perez wrote them and even liked the quasi-Vertigo take Azzarello used, but other writers kinda suck when it comes to portraying the gods. I think I’d like it if they were more distant but still felt at times, almost like the way GoT portrayed gods—mysterious but active.
>>152005943Wonder Woman deserves her own cartoon show.
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>>152009285Feminism doesn't sell period.
>>152009285She was created by a man and her best writers were men. I’m sure there’s some goalpost moving coming but I won’t be seeing it.
>>152025854that didn't happen
>>152009285Male-written characters are almost always more compelling than female-written characters, even when the character is a woman.
>>152019474>like beta bitch bondage afraid to be real bondageExactly
>>152017488>no counterargument
>>152025459No
>>152025485Kill yourself
>>152010558Make her a Conan-type hero and set her loose in a world of warriors, monsters, and sorcerers.
>>152028469Nah, this is Aquaman or Hawkman's niche, the former even became a king.
>>152021573https://x.com/D4hz4hn/status/1735106404866801805Pretty much anything Dazan says from a Superman fan POV, he genuinely prefers the Millar comics based on the show
>>152007489they don't hate it, they just think it's irrelevant, like almost everything else about Wonder Woman
>>152028858Some of these episodes were so good when they focus on a villain plotting to kill her even if they are goofy.
>>152025459WW X SM would be a lot better if they leaned into it being a sex based relationship that ends up not working out since they dont get along that well
>>152026928The biggest exception, I find, is if the woman was heavily related to farms or muscular men in some way. I don't know why.
>>152029332That was literally their New 52 dynamic.
>>152014581>>152015719Being that she's from a warrior culture, writers could easily sneak in elements of training/mma and literally rip off shonen tropes.Cheetah? more like Vacheeta and give her a rival complex and over time turn her into a fledgling hero.
>>152009734>tv show>using a character lord satanisAre they stupid?
>>152029443Was it? Didn't they get together because they felt separated from the rest of humanity?
>>152005943breast expansion is the simplest and most effective character destiny for her
>>152030656Their relationship was still only built on sex. No chemistry. Partially because there's nothing memorable about New 52 Superman's character.
>>152028858Is that Sonny Chiba
>>152028858I've never seen this show in my life besides the opening theme but this clip makes it look really good. What the fuck?
>>152022562Batman was the only reason people watched the show. He had to be the main focus otherwise no one would have watched.
>>152029317It’s aged really well. Like, shockingly well for a live-action super-hero show from the seventies.
Diana's Xena adventures are just hard to tie into a setting more like Justice League's. Like, here's the obligatory Ares being a dick and causing wars, yes, but what other storylines can you think of that wouldn't just feel out of place and where Wonder Woman has to be accompanied by Justice League characters? They had to maintain the tone and consistency of the series, so they took characters who are principally Wonder Woman villains and introduced them as general Justice League opponents without their usual tone. Seemed like a fine compromise to me.Also, googled something about Wonder Woman right now. Google told me the top asked question about Wonder Woman is 'Does Wonder Woman get periods'. I know this was you, /co/.
Any recommendations for Wonder Woman comics to read for someone getting into her? I know the new Absolute Wonder Woman is apparently good, but it also seems like a big reimagining so I'm not sure if it's representative of her character generally.
>>152028178no
>>152031436>Does Wonder Woman get periods'. I know this was you, /co/.What...what was the answer?
Not like there's anything about this that's particular to the DCAUWonder Woman has been floundering as a character for 50 years at the least
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>>152014895>>152019421>>152028858>>152032801>>152032817>>152032822>>152032828You know if WW in comics was more like that as she is now in absolute, it would be great.But fucking didio and king ruined everything out of spite
Writers, specially for cartoons, and specially specially for an ensemble cast, can only think in terms of archetypes and stereotypes.Diana is a princess, so they will think "royalty" and make her stuck up and out of touch. She's also an Amazon, so they will think "warrior" and make her more violent, specially to stand out from other characters. Same reason Aquaman is a "badass asshole" in the DCAU.
>>152033373and now in the comics thanks to Johns and Adams we got the best aquaman ever who is literally kevin sorbo and raimi's hercules, aka the good show.
>>152030706Probably. This show and Batman before it loved their guest stars.
>>152033465it's not him, but James Hong appears
Diana is made to be corrected by nazi cock
>>152005984>>152019005FPBP
I'm fine with Trinity shipping if and only if it is not a love triangle but Wonder Woman being a willing and eager bangmommy for men she minds interesting for different reasons, and Bruce and Clark having no actual conflict about her and instead treating her as a mutual dear friend who happens to also be a hypnosis loving maid-shaped onahole.
>>152033373>Same reason Aquaman is a "badass asshole" in the DCAU.Aquaman's gruffness was just part of his post-crisis makeover. All the heroes needed to have more flaws to compete with Marvel's and aside from the popular arc where his son was killed, Aquaman had a particular reputation as a character who couldn't be taken seriously.
