ASM really fell off. I guess Spider Norman and Commander Pete weren't that appealling.
>sales charts>actually we just asked a dozen stores tee hee
>>152013376>These are unit and dollar sales rankings based on sales tracked at point-of-sale by the ComicHub system at stores selling American comics around the world. During the period for which these reports were generated, there were over 125 stores using the ComicHub system. As this is a small, non-random sample of over 3,000 stores selling American comics worldwide, these rankings may not be typical for all stores, but do represent a variety of locations and store emphases.>This data was collected based on a four-week month, from November 30, 2025 - January 3, 2026. These sales rankings represent sales to consumers by comic stores during the period. We’re reporting the Top 50 Comics on the public site, and the Top 200 Comics on the Pro site."
>>152013376You weren't saying that 2 years ago.
>>1520134193,000 stores is 10% of comic stores. >>152013431I have no idea who you are
>>152013448historically speak 3000 is a considered a larger number than 'a dozen"
wtf is mark spears monsters it keeps being on these charts but I haven't seen a single person talk about it
>>152013558Yeah okay bub, let's see you track movie grosses by asking 10% of theaters.>>152013583They're made up charts.
Woo, TMNT.
>>152013594>b-but theaters>b-but the chart is made uplol
ASM is a dumpster fire so the only thing surprising here is that it’s still too 30
>>152014535Gotta get my Spider-man!
>>152014567>Gotta get my Spider-Man cover variants!fixed
>>152013059So Marvel only has a handful of books in the top 20 and about half of that handful are Ultimate books that are ending in the next couple months. Not a single X-book or Avengers related title. How are heads not rolling in the Marvel office? Has Marvel ever been spanked this hard? I know it was bad during the All New All Different era but holy shit
>>152013059> Martian Manhunter at #12pretty good for coming off a hiatus and all the positive press for the TPB.
>>152013448>3,000 stores is 10% of comic stores.There is no way there are 30,000 comic stores selling monthly US comics.
>>152013376>>152013448>>152013431>>152013431It's better than nothingAt least it's not measuring LOCG """"""""""""""""""""pulls""""""""""""""""""""
>>152015379who knew trying to replicate Age of Apocalypse’ gimmick in modern conditions would be a ratings and sales disaster?
DC won
>>152013059it's always so sad
>>152013059hm. not a single x-men title. gee i wonder why.>wolverine title is ultimate universesad and pathetic.
>>152015379Marvel doesn't care about the top 20 because they release so much slop and so many #1's with a half dozen variants that idiots will still buy
These numbers are pretty abysmal for Marvel. I really think they need to learn a few things from DC:First, after ASM reaches #1000, hire an A-list writer and artist to take over ASM and end the biweekly schedule that has been going on since Brand New Day. Publish a secondary Spider-Man book if you need it.Go back to the Bendis/Hickman-era of the Avengers being the leading book of the Marvel Universe. Make it absolutely clear that if you want to know what is going to happen next in the MU you need to read Avengers.Stop cancelling and relaunching so many books every 5-10 issues. Seriously it's absurd. At some point you only get diminishing returns. Have a smaller line of books that last longer.Whatever the fuck Brevoort has been doing with X-Men, well, stop doing it.Attempt your own Absolute line, but for real. Take inspiration from manga, which is the secret reason why Absolute Batman is so big right now.Of course, since Marvel has been lead by the same people for many decades at this point, I expect absolutely nothing to change.
>>152017283>go back to bendisno, you fucking retard. that's the opposite of what they should do. not trying to be a dick but holy shit no one should EVER recommend bendis>x-menneeds to be rebooted to before bendis. just pick up at the end of uncanny x-force
>>152017283A second new universe right now would probably fail regardless of quality because of how they handled the Ultimate universe.
Honestly I’m surprised that ultimate x-men remained in the top 50
>>152017385You are right about that. I was actually going to say they should wait a bit, but I forgot to add it.
>>152017283>Attempt your own Absolute line, but for realThey fucked ultimate up too badly, it's poisoned the well
>>152015737As someone who regularly visits Boxofficetheory to see how a movie can be expected to do (i work at a theater) you can generally get within +-5% of an Opening weekend total based off just thursday ticket pre-sales of the half dozen theaters in your area assuming it's a wide release. Exceptions of course go to movies that are massively polarizing but even fan rush is pretty easy to account for if you know what you're doing.
>>152017389Not just remaining in the top 50 but doing better than everything else in that fucking Age of Revelation event
>>152013059What the fuck is Mark Spears Monsters
>>152013059Why can't DC and Marvel be like Image and just tell us what the top selling comics are?https://imagecomics.com/features/image-comics-top-10-comics-for-november-2025
>>152018153What would this accomplish from their perspective?
>>152018158Make fans happy by hearing the news from the horse's mouth. If they give specific numbers, that's good news that could increase their stock value. Rippaverse does that.
What I find interesting is last month Snyder said that Absolute Superman/Batman/Wonder Woman all regularly sell 100k+. Not sure if that includes second prints but it definitely puts into perspective how many things are selling around 100k nowadays, thanks to variants and blind bags. Like Absolute Superman is #11 so this entire top 10 is probably around 100k. Hell probably more are selling that considering all the DC KO oneshots are right behind him.>>152018153Well with DC that would be pretty useless since we already know that mainline Batman, most/all of Absolute, and whatever event they have going will make up their whole top 10
>>152018222>Well with DC that would be pretty useless since we already know that mainline Batman, most/all of Absolute, and whatever event they have going will make up their whole top 10I disagree. We assume that is the case (just like we assume ASM will top Marvel's charts) but an assumption isn't a confirmation. Furthermore, having an actual chart tells us when an actual out of left field property is a success. See "Exquisite Corpses" on the Image top ten.
>>152013583Blind bags.
>>152013376same with rich the leech, none of these charts are accuratte and the fooling tool even less.
>>152013059>mmh what do people want to see in a superhero comic>I know have the protagonsit constantly be rescued and humliated by all powerful girlbosses
Why did new Ultimate fail while Absolute succeeded?
What do you mean Guardians of the Galaxy is flopping? Marvel had no way to know that would happen.>>152017283>Go back to the Bendis/Hickman-eraI want Marvel to die, so I support you wholeheartedly.
>>152018795>What do you mean Guardians of the Galaxy is flopping?Is Marvel even publishing a Guardians comic right now?>I want Marvel to die, so I support you wholeheartedly.As if Waid/Al Ewing/Aaron/MacKay were any better. At least go back to when Avengers comics actually sold.
>>152018788>Why did new Ultimate fail while Absolute succeeded?Ultimate is nowhere near as new-reader friendly. Knowing Hickman, this was by design (he probably wanted to do another Krakoa, basically), but it was kinda a bad look when Absolute came out.To understand what is happening in any nu-Ultimate book you first need to have read Ultimate Invasion and at the same time you need to know what's the entire deal with The Maker and so on.Also the art is considerably worse and Marvel doesn't really know how to market it. The books range from too similar (Black Panther, Wolverine), too different (X-Men), wish-fullfilment for people who never got over OMD (Spider-Man) to reading like a manifesto (Ultimates).
>>152018788Ultimate was garbage.
>>152019469Half of Absolute is garbage but that isn't stopping it from selling
>>152017155The highest ranking X-Title was Ultimate X-Men, in the 30’s. Mainline X-Men are all the way down in the 40’s
>>152019739No, it's good by today's standards and far better than Ultimate.
X-Men are a steaming failure and they need to fire Brevoort.
>>152018788Ultimate did succeed, in its first year. Absolute is just leaving its first year. By year three, it will also be a failure.
>>152019390>Is Marvel even publishing a Guardians comic right now?Yes, it's called every other week of Amazing Spider-Man and it has an off-brand Baldurs Gate 3 love interest character too! Why aren't the kids flocking to our book? I even checked in with my sources at bluesky and they all approve of how Peter is written.>As if Waid/Al Ewing/Aaron/MacKay were any better. They are, and I'm probably the most anti-MacKay person in this entire board.
>>152013376Please understand, this is all DC fans have left after getting whipped in comics for the past 20 years.
>>152013059>6/10
>>152015379Wasn't DC losing during ANAD despite how much it was hated? DC didn't start winning until recent years
>>152021704DC started Rebirth soon after Marvel started ANAD and was winning for a little bit but then Didio wrested power again and pissed all the Rebirth goodwill down the drain and DC fell off again
>>152018153If it's anything like the comichron days maybe they are worried it would expose overshipping and blatant editorial favoritism.
>>152021172Your tears are delicious, marveldrone.
>>152019872Absolute is massively outperforming Ultimate's first year and you're blind if you claim otherwise.
>>152021853Do you have real numbers to back this up?
>>152021729It didn't even last six months before they were behind Marvel again. DC hasn't been able to sustain long-term interest in their line since 1966.
>>152022058NTA but I just saw a sales report for graphic novels and the top six were all Absolute titles, I don't think Ultimate Black Panther or Ultimate X-Men ever really made a splash in sales
>>152022058You just have to use your eyes to see that absolute has been the first time in decades anyone who isn't a diehard comic fan has given a fuck about comics.
>>152013376>>152021172>These ICV2 numbers sold to customers are fake! >DC is coping because these charts based on estimated sales to retailers did betterlol, hilarious because you Marvel editors insisted for years that the ICV2 charts were real
>>152022149That's anecdotal.
>>152013376Is there any reason to believe the numbers from a handful of comic stores would be much different than the totals of all of them?It's not like there's some secret sect of the country who are die-hard Aquaman fans that these charts ignore. Generally comic books fans like the same characters no matter where they live
>>152013376>what is a statistic
>>152013448How many comic shops do you think there are across the country? Because I’m frankly surprised that their are 3,000
>>152017111Go be sad somewhere else.
>>152024421That anon was likely talking about comic stores worldwide. Yeah fewer than 3000 is correct for how things are now. At the speculator market-exploiting peak in 1993, there were around 10,000 American stores.
>>152025436That anon is still deluding himself if he thinks monthly American comics that Diamond and ICV2 tracked are sold in 30,000 stores worldwide. Even assuming there are 30,000 comic shops, not all of them would be selling monthly American comics, and ones that do usually have their own regional reprint editions that wouldn't even be counted in a list liked ICV2 or Diamond
>>152025436>>152025598It just seems weird to think that there are three THOUSAND comic stores. Even with the assumption that there are Newbury comics style franchises across one or two states at a time. If the entirety of this industry dependent on the idea that they can cultivate a community of nerds, then why do they go out of their way to insult and belittle those nerds? It really looks like the lack of advertisements have hurt art in general, which is INSANE to think. So the sales of art to the consumer means NOTHING to the money made from pushing the ideals of the investors
I find it interesting that people often used Diamond as their scapegoat as to why the comics industry was so bad, but now Diamond is gone and comics are selling worse than ever, and now there's just shipment delays and shit.
>>152026783Comics have been on the upswing for the entire year what are you talking about? The opposite of what you're saying is true.
>>152026822The Doomer-coomer Youtubers and their shills are now acting like the comics industry was a few years ago, in denial
>>152026822>>152026897sorry i forgot for a moment we're in a "vibes based economy"
>>152027014What the fuck are you talking about there are hard metrics on all of this.
>>152016048They didn't just try to replicate it, they tried to do something about 3 times bigger in scale at a time when the X-Men are a lot less popular than they were in 1995. It's the second time they've done an "Age of.." event that's been a complete disaster.>>152017155Let's not pretend the top 30 was dominated by X-Men during the Krakoa years either. Once you get past the initial HoXPoX minis and the #1s it's just the main X-Men title and the Wolverine solo selling reasonably well and almost everything else is mid-chart or worse.
>>152017155>>152013059They need to bring back the Inhumans and have them genocide the Mutants again. Maybe then Xfags will start supporting the books again.
>>152026783Because Diamond was never as bad as /co/ said they were and comics have always been a niche hobby.
>>152018525I, for one, like Spider-Man's snu-snu arc.
>>152027952That was when they stopped supporting the Xbooks, you idiotRetailer orders dropped below 40,000 for the main X-books
>>152013059lol
>>152022092Dam
>>152016110Like hell it did
>>152032060Your tears are delicious.
>>152027062Metrics mean nothing to a lot of people now. They've spent more than a decade accusing and rasing their children to believe that any statistics that doesn't match their viewpoint are fake and make to attack them.AI has made things even worse.
>>152018525>it's another bait post with terrible grammar and spelling You never quit huh? I swear you've been doing this since 2021.
