What do you think about the Alan Grant/Norm Breyfogle Batman comics?
>>152015578Idk
>>152015578is that croc
>>152015578They're good
>>152015578The standard of how Batman should be written and unfortunately will never be written again because every arc needs to be a blockbuster movie
>>152015578The art always stood out to me, very striking and cool.
>>152017605>every arc needs to be a blockbuster movieHow true is this?
>>152015578Good
>>152015578I don't think about them very often.
>>152015578They're great. Alan Grant is a better Batman writer than Frank Miller.
>>152015578Look at his Dragon Ball eyes
>>152015578They created Scarface and the Ventriloquist, a villain that feels like he was a Batman rogue since the forties. Their run is soo cool.
>>152019623Lol it DOES make him look like he came straight out of a Dragon Ball doesn't it
>>152017692The new book by Fraction and Jiménez are literally the opposite of that, but people hate it anyway.
>>152020568The ongoing plot with the GCPD brings the entire thing down.
>>152019623I also noticed that.
>>152020834I don’t know why writers think the GCPD is so interesting.
Awesome, one of the best Batman runs.DC really need to go back to basics with Batman, Morrisons Batgod take really ruined the character.
>>152019337>Alan Grant is a better Batman writer than Frank Miller.Better than post-2000 Miller, but not 80s Miller.
>>152021730They're a good supporting cast when they're Batman's allies, not interested in Vandal Savage's band of thugs.
>>152022023That’s fair, but I prefer it if they were in their own book.
>>152021781I didn't even count post 00s Miller, only 80s and I stand by what I said.
>>152016171/thread
>>152019732kinda odd, that he was originally going to be a Judge Dredd villain
>>152020568It started like that but has quickly devolved into fighting the GCPD and new villains that are bigger than all the other villains combinedThe issue out this week is action movie nonsense featuring Bruce Wayne with zero cleverness with him trying to hide behind his persona, which I guess was to facilitate that his identity gets blown at the end of the issue because Damian suddenly forgot protocolFraction's irreverence, much like Zdarsky's, can work sometimes but is not a great fit for Batman
>>152022106Gotham Central was a very low selling book that lasted as long as it did because Rucka was an award-winning writer who got the book an Eisner in its first year, a vanity project to keep him happy. No way that's happening now.
>>152022966Jimenez is hard carrying the book. Imagine those plots drawn by Redondo or Aja
>>152022350I disagree. 80s Miller is unsurpassed.
>>152023335I disagree. He is surpassed.
>>152015578I think they're good but overrated in hardcore Batman fan lore and by 90s nostalgia glazers.
>>152023634Agree to disagree then.
>>152024499who would you consider better in terms of monthly runs?
>>152021730Because Gotham Central was one of the best Bat-books ever printed.CSI: Gotham would be a legitimately fantastic premise for a TV procedural and I'm sad that Gotham (the show) poisoned the well for it.
>>152015578I'm pretty familiar with their Detective Comics run but less so for Batman. I'm not sure why; I'm fairly certain I read their Batman run too. It wasn't as memorable to me I guess. In general though they're great.
>>152015578I really like the corner box art. Anyone know if there’s a scan of it? I checked comicartfans and heritage auctions.
>>152023121>>152025511They could always just do a series of minis instead of an ongoing. Like they did with Venom in the nineties.
Bump.
>>152021743Batgod long precedes Morrison's run
>>152027094Batgod was a Justice League thing, not so much a mainline Batman thing, and it was Morrison himself who got the ball rolling on that.
>>152027305No, it was before that with people who misunderstood the fight between Batman and Superman in DKR.
>>152023121Also Dan Didio published books he didn't expect to sell well because he understood having a wide variety of characters and genres was good for the overall health of the DC Comics line. Mid-00s DC had all these low-selling no-name books you'd never see today, like Caper or iCandy or Reign of the Zodiac.
>>152015578>>152016171>>152022370I never read The Batman comics, so I don't know either.
Quintessential Batman run. When I picture Batman it is Breyfogle Batman. That whole era is peak: Aparo/Breyfogle/Nolan/Jones on art, and written by Moench/Grant/Dixon is my favorite era and it’s not nostalgia goggles. I read that stuff about half a decade after it was published and still reread it every couple years.
>>152020568It’s because it kept the same status quo of dead butlers and goo gobbling sidekicks. It needs a redux back to something closer to the roots.
>>152029223>That whole era is peakAnd opinion discarded.
>>152025265I suppose so.
>>152030671wrong reply?
>>152015578what kind of batman is this?
>>152019732Fantastic art
>>152030671As far as the 1986-2006 post-crisis and pre-Infinite Crisis era goes, it was the most solid. There was a lot of early awkwardness with Collins, Barr, Starlin, and Wolfman. Grant, Moench, and Dixon were so consistently solid that all three of them stayed on the bat titles for almost the entire duration of the 90s. The Rucka/Brubaker/Grayson era had some good aspects, but also a few lows. The books got consistently worse after that, so much so that they had to backpedal hard after IC, though Hush was a sales high point because of Jim Lee.
>>152035407Moench and Dixon are mediocre.
>>152035407Moench and Dixon are not Grant level, they're Barr level.For that period it's >Tier 1Miller, Grant, Milligan>Tier 2Barr, Moench>Tier 3Collins, Wolfman, Dixon, Starlin>Tier 4Rucka, Brubaker, Gabrych, Winnick
