If they are so popular online, why do their books struggle to sell? Outside of Batman, only Nightwing seems to sell semi-decently and even then it's likely no longer doing anywhere the numbers it was doing with Taylor.
>>152017021Because the Batfamily is mostly popular with female fans, and female fans, while outspoken on the internet, only make up a small percentage of potential male power fantasy fiction enjoyers.
God, I hate this bat family shit.
It's why I don't read modern Batman comics. Which is fine because there's still hundreds of Batman comics produced between 1969 and 2001 that I still haven't read and it's all there whenever I need my Batman fix.
The direct market is fueled by 40 something year old nerds who are old enough to actually know how a pull list works and buy comics in droves for speculator value even though said speculator scene damaged the industry beyond repair.The Bat family is popular with early teens - early 30 somethings who read webtoon and AO3 fanfics and have their comics through basic bitch easily pirating sourcesIf they do buy comics, odds are it'll be digital because they grew up in a period where the industry had crashed and not everyone had an LCS let alone actually grew up using one Digital sales are lesser than physical sales because the real consumers who pay for comics to stay afloat past DC's measly 20k cancellation line are the LCS' themselves
>>152017021Because not a single comic book character outside of Batman himself sells well. Only he is capable of consistently doing good numbers. Yes that includes Peter. The bat family aren't Batman so they don't put up amazing numbers, you only think they should be doing better because they're directly linked to Batman.
>>152017069I cant believe people are paying 100 bucks for Absolute Bats #1 right now. Lol. They have no idea that in five years the book will be worth 10 bucks, tops. Just like all mass-produced modern comics.
>>152017021DC at one point in 2021-22, before Dawn of DC, very noticeably tried to ditch their B-list books (Think Flash, Green Lantern, Titans, Green Arrow, Justice League Dark/Vertigo, Suicide Squad) in favour of doing a dozen Batfamily books. With Tynion at one point even publicly admitting DC's plan was to create a batline that rivaled the X-Men line in sales across the line.I think DC quickly realized this plan was dumb and course-corrected.
>>152017021Comicbooks struggle to sell in general, Batwank is consistently a high earner(for funnypages)
I once saw someone say they think Cass' solo series is mid but they keep rating it 5 stars on LOCG because they don't want it to get cancelled
>>152017021Every character on the right needs to be killed off. Yes even the dog
>>152017131Really? Catwoman, the qt autistic asian and Huntress?
>>152017314Catwoman has been nothing but an absolute cunt to Batman for past decade or so, she should lose Batfamily privileges. I don’t know much about Cass’ or Helena’s relationship but it’s probably not as interesting as those on the left
>>152017069You're assuming that those kinds of Batfamily fans actually read the comics. Most of them see random pages on social media that have what they like (usually tragedy and yaoi/yuri bait) and use that as fuel for their fanart and fanfiction.
>>152017021Because they're not actually popular. The ideas pre-Flashpoint were but this was when they operated more independently. DC tried to make it more of a real thing where they're constantly working together but it falls apart because they keep adding more OCs & other characters who have no reason to be there. Jason alone shouldn't be part of anything positive with Bruce.
>>152017702Are we counting or not counting Wayne Family Adventures?
>>152017067Dark Patterns is good. It's just Batman.
>>152017627>Catwoman has been nothing but an absolute cunt to Batman for past decade or so, she should lose Batfamily privilegesThis. Especially after Gotham War.
>>152017021Most people don’t care about DC Comics in general outside of Batman, Absolute, and event comics. DC’s main universe is too confusing for Normalfags even after putting a history of the timeline comic.Another factor is that most of DC’s movies and shows either suck or are forgettable. There is nothing that DC puts out that really interests people. And the fact is that if the outside material ain’t drawing in people, then why would anyone be infested in their comics? Even Amazon has The Boys and Invincible which led to people buying comics based off those shows. Meanwhile no one gives a shit about Peacemaker no matter how hard WB pushes him.
>>152017720I'm not.
>>152017021Comics sell like shit, even when it's an A-list character. People more often than not like these characters in spite of their comic appearance, not because of them. Many times how they are portrayed in comics deviates far too much from actually popular forms of media like movies, television, cartoons, and video games where people are first exposed to them. And why would anyone buy comics when much of the fan content is not only free but has better art and better writing?
People don't actually read comics anymore, they just argue and complain about them online.
I can think of no concept more damaging to the Batman experience than giving him a bunch of sidekicks, helpers and hanger-ons.>What about-No, shut up. It's all Batman, his personal struggles and how one man can manage a city of neer-do-wells. To be granted insight into one character, even just that is a luxury. That is what people connect with.>But-No, shut the fuck up. I don't care how long they've been doing it, or why they've done it, when you throw fucking robins and drakes and women into the mix, fucking forget about it, people are already signing up for disney plus to watch marvel instead.>ALFRED ALFRED ALFREDThe only reason people tolerate Al Fred is because his absence would put more notice on him than if he's just around in the background mopping up the shit nobody cares about.
All the Batfamily needs is Nightwing, a Batgirl, and a Robin. That's it. Nobody else should be considered "in the family."Honestly, as tiresome as I find the saga of Babs being crippled to be, it WAS useful for her to be Oracle because it gives her something to do independently that's not part of Batman's orbit.
>>152017702They doYeah sure you have people parroting off of random pages and panels but there's a sizable amount of people who read through piracy and LOCG reading listsIt's how they're able to make negative reviews over Tom Taylor and say Chuck Dixon wrote queerness better
>>152018003Batman is fucking boring on his own. That's why so many of his movies are ensemble casts usually where most of the screen time is given to his villains and supporting cast. You can't name a single major batman project that's 100% batman. Even Fox kids Batman had Alfred and Gordon to bounce off of. Hell the Dark knight returns that saved batman from lame ass silver age bullshit had a massive ensemble cast and a hot ginger feminine tomboy robin to bounce off of. Face it. You're laboring under the fucking total delusion that batman was always a fucking one man show.Him having a small batfamily makes perfect sense to the normies and the kids, you know the two groups who actually make the IP valuable, like it. There is a place for completely solo batman adventures. But that place is in a single book cut off from the more marketable version with a batfamily or even a robin as a sidekick.
for me, it's batwoman, batwing, and red robin
>>152017021Because they don't read comics?There is literally a whole massive subculture of batfamilyfags who straight up do not interact with canon material or even most other media outside of maybe Wayne Family Adventures, and the only thing they interact with either batfamily fanfiction or tiktoks.So it ends up being some horrible ouroboros of batfamilyfags who make fanfics and tiktoks after only interacting with fanfics/tiktoks made from other batfamilyfags who only interact with fanfics/tiktoks and so on. It's why there's so many OOC shit with the batfam out there.And then they're usually the only fucking people I have ever seen who get mad whenever somebody tells them to read the source material due to butchering the characters.
>>152018259Anon, do you REALLY want those people who are keeping the IP alive and valuable reading the comics? Think about it. I mean REALLY think about it. Them creating their own canon versions of the characters and interacting with a popular version of it online is what is keeping it valuable. The fucking comics and movies damned sure aren't.
