>pick a show ruined by "Millennial writing">change the dialogue without changing context or the storyDoes that actually fix the show? I don't mean improve. I mean fix.Personally, I don't see it. It actually makes some shows worse since the style actually fits the tone. Most of the time, it just makes more obviously shit (to me) & less obviously shit (to others) because of "the message".Look at Masters of the Universe: Revelation (2021) vs He-Man and the Masters of the Universe (2021).
>>152027491story writing comes before dialogue. you would be right
Every time I see Millennial Writing mentioned on any board the person that first mentions it posts this exact same thumbnail of this YouTube video, without fail. I am 99% sure this is a shill at this point.
>>152027606That video coined the term. Before that it was "MARVEL writing", "Rick and Morty writing" or just "Fellow kids writing"
>>152027530Dialogue does matter too but Modern Dialogue has a deeper ingrained problem to it than "lack of sincerity". It is "Casual Viewing Dialogue". It is usually has some stupid bullshit like characters saying shit like "you mean to tell me [explains joke / gives uncharitable interpretation of events & motives that somehow is the intended interpretation by writer]". Writers often use it as a crutch to give out the "correct interpretation" regardless if it is a correct read of the situation. For example, a movie will say that a specific character is a good nurse because she can guess the correct medicine to give without reading the labels instead of saying her act of malpractice just coincidentally worked in her favor.
>>152027651I always preferred "Whedon writing"
>>152027651>>152028018millennials didn't write any of those
>>152027651>Coins a term that gets pointed out as being incorrect literally every time it's brought up>Implying this means you need to post his video's thumbnail obligatorilly regardlessShill
>>152028043I don't really see why it matters since writing isn't getting better anyway.>>152028348>You must go out your way to make a new image to represent a vague concept that everyone notices but is poorly explained and only gives a surface level analysis of a deeper problem.Even the retards who love this garbage are now complaining about "lack of sincerity".A problem of these shows is the obviously bullshit messages presented. It doesn't matter if you can act all high IQ and interpret a more nuance message when it is all commie gobbledigook.
>>152028043>millennials didn't write any of thoseyeah but it was pandering to millennials
>>152027879I feel like 2017-2019 was the period you really saw this taking off.Like you can go back to a lot of films in 2016 and find a lot more put in.
>>152029210Things don't get implied anymore because Death of the Author empowers retards.
>>152028924bro I was 9 when firefly started airing. it wasn't pandering to me
>>152027491It was already exposed that millennials arent the ones writing these terrible shows and movies but boomers and gen x holdouts preventing them from even getting their foot in the door.The only millennials getting writing gigs are chip on shoulder minorities hired to score DEI brownie points everyone is so desperate to get for some reason.
>>152027491Nevermind if the name is accurate, what is even Millennial Writing?
>>152027491>Look at Masters of the Universe: Revelation (2021) vs He-Man and the Masters of the Universe (2021).But both of these are Gen X writing.
>>152029846>point out that adventure time was marketed to zoomers who were kids>they reject it>they claim that Halo 2 is a zoomer game, even though it's more like they were the annoying little brother who had to get a turn on his older brother's xbox 360 or else mom was going to take it awayThe funny thing about generational warfare is that it stems, primarily, from genxy being mad at boomer profiteers for totally fucking up society in 2008 and most other boomers being 'okay' with it as long as their investments were bailed out, making things totally hsit. Zoomers are the generational equivalent of the guy who comes along late and starts shitting all over everything because he lacks context and has no fucking clue what anyone was talking about in the first place.
>>152030944>everyone is so desperate to get for some reason.>boomers and gen x holdouts preventing them from even getting their foot in the door.It's the same cunts obsessed with proving how down with the cause they are because their brains are mentally in the 1970s.
>He posted it againHow many times are you going to make this thread?
>>152027491I was gonna say Scooby Doo, but, "Velma" exists.
>>152027491The name still fits, even if it isn't written by millennials it's an exaggeration of how millennials talk
>>152029846>bro I was 9 when fireflythat makes you more of a zillennial so you don't really count
One nitpick i think that's fucking stupid is trying too hard to sound direct. In Bojack they make a point writers should stop putting "Here's the thing" as a sentence when their characters talk and just "Say the thing". People don't fucking talk like that, can you imagine how weird it would be to talk to someone like that where they're super direct and have no breathing room or time to ease into a sentence?
>>152027491Millenial writer is just what happens when things aren’t workshopped enough , or in plane english instead of corporatese, someone isn’t there to slap the writers down and tell them “No!”.
>>152027491>old man yells at clouds
>>152032278The zoomer-millennial war is so interesting because it almost feels like it's the culmination of a decade of zoomers waiting for vengeance.Millennials wanting to make peace and expecting the zoomer kids to follow them into battle against the boomers. The zoomer, remembering years of being called squeakers on xbox live and not being allowed to enjoy their own childhoods in the face over overly-nostalgic 90s kids shitting on them, felt angered by the sudden 'friendliness', spontaneously declared war and started attacking the millennials they once looked up to for being 'cringe'
>>152034394Zoomers are spamming unc on cool down despite being 25+ and baldingIf there is a war they've lost
>>152032265MotU 2021's head writer was Bryan Q Miller,a Millennial born in 1980. And it's a better show because of that. BQM was a young child who grew up loving He-Man, Kevin Smith was born in 1970 and was previosuly open about how he thought He-Man was dumb baby shit and nowhere near as cool and mature as Jim Shooter's Marvel Comics, so he went into the series with loathing and contempt. The CG series does have its share of insecure, self-conscious humor, can't escape that.
>>152034794That's actually the weird thing about them. "Old" seems to be coming quicker for them because of how fast the culture is moving. A 19 year old zoomer will start roasting a 21 year old zoomer for getting old. They genuinely do not care.
>>152027491Gravity Falls has some genuine whimsy and heart, but then you have a 12 year old boy who speaks with the wit and snark of a 30 year old LA writer.Take that out and it becomes closer to being a timeless show (but still not quite because of CALarts bean mouth).
>>152033055>>152034328I just don't think that Millennial Writing is an actual thing since people seem to have their own blind spots.There is a time and place for this type of writing. Cutting too much can make it sound unnatural but dialogue shouldn't sound too improvisational either.A better term would be "Insecure Writing". The problem is most of these writers need to feel insecure because they suck. Sincerity is a cope since non-authentic people can't produce anything of worth just by pouring themselves into it.
>>152027491Nobody cares.
What are some shows that are considered "Zoomer Writing?" I'd say Clone High season 2.
Calling it "millennial" is culture war brain rot, but yes, the dialogue is the problem 80% of the time. How you tell a story is just as important as the story itself, and people are simply tired of literally everything having a tone that lies somewhere between a Joss Whedon movie and a boring wine mom TV.The general problem is that corpos value the opinions of retards on social media over their own paying customers, which is how you end up with shows and movies being produced for people like picrel.
>>152035023A common name in recent years would be "Screencap writing" or "Twitter writing."A lot of the dialogue seems almost built around the idea that someone on tumblr or twitter will take a screencap of the dialogue and post it. Like, it's not just being meta or satirical but that every line of that nature has to be an epic win zinger that 'ratios' the person they're talking to. Something that can be clipped to TikTok edits.It's always done in this "shot reverse shot" or making sure the two characters are standing next to each other. Like it's designed so whatever conversation and subsequent one-liner can be easily clipped for social media purposes.And it has precedent too. People have analyzed that one reason Family Guy maintains relevance is because it was basically built for the online era with cutaways allowing for easy jokes that don't require much context. The current trend seems to be 'deliberately create self-sustaining fandom by giving them moments to repeat ad nauseum'
>>152035023>The problem is most of these writers need to feel insecure because they suck. Sincerity is a cope since non-authentic people can't produce anything of worth just by pouring themselves into it.holden caulfield tier argument. they suck BECAUSE they are insecure pussies who are afraid of making anything genuinely interesting because they're too mentally weak to handle some worthless fucktard child calling it "cringe".it doesn't help that if you want to work in a creative industry, you basically do not exist unless you're active on twitter
>>152036760>>152035023It’s just self conscious, poorly refined writing. It’s bad because it’s done fast and cheap. >>152034394No one is identifying with this bs outside of arrested development forums. They’re adults in the workplace already. Only half of Zoomers are teenagers.
My house is on fire. Better stream it until I die.
>>152036897No, it's definitely deliberate. Especially when you look at how certain scenes are edited or written in the context of a larger movie. You start noticing they seem deliberately designed to be viewable out of context with the rest of it.For instance, "aura farming" moments. Something like when Goku goes SSJ for the first time has so much build-up and context surrounding it, he and Frieza have a dialogue immediately after the confrontation that leads into the big speech, proceed with fightThere is not much to cut without the transformation becoming a lot more weightless.Now like >>152027879 said. A lot of information will be spontaneously compacted. The big 'aura' moment will be designed to be viewed out of context and you can weirdly trace the start of that to social media trends and when they started viewing stuff like Youtube and Twitter as a primary means of advertisement over conventional ads and trailersA lot of stuff is now "clippable" by design. Moments are now deliberately made to be turned into reaction images. One-liners are now made with the intent that social media will screencap them and talk about just how much someone got "owned" in a given scene.It's all by design which is the reason they even feel like they can't even be authentic about being ironic. Because even the fucking "ironic" stuff isn't actually having fun with itself and is instead unironically just chasing the trend
