I am still fucking amd about it
Season 3 was alright. I noticed that the episodes decline in quality every time Harriet and Frida are onscreen.
>>152035738The only thing I know about it is that one autist on here who's obsessed with Confucius.
Atleast we got our first look on what "Zoomer Writing" will be like. Expect more of these.
>>152035971My problem with that season is while the jokes got better, it still felt like it was trying to get me to take the dumbest shit seriously.Like, the Abe-Joan-Confucius-Harriet-Toussant thing. That felt like it was supposed to be a joke but it was played straight? I genuinely couldn't tell how tongue in cheek it was being with how convoluted that plotline was. Was I supposed to care? Was I supposed to laugh?Either it was brilliantly playing it straight with full self awareness or it actually expected me to care.
>>152035738Say what
>>152035738I'm more Nvidia about it
>>152036349I don't think it was zoomers who ruined Clone High, but millennials who tried catering to what THEY thought zoomers would engage with, completely missing how edgy and off-the-wall that generation's sense of humor actually is.
Lord and Miller were ahead of the curve, they had their nice thing destroyed by jeets all the way back in 2003.
>>152037875Not exactly. I'd describe it as moreso a perfect storm of an old show being translated to a modern fandom culture.Clone High had 3 sorts of phases.>It's original run and earning cult classic status>older zoomers discover it via youtube circa 2014-2015ish, this wave still largely gets the joke that everything is supposed to be stupid and satirical>It gets brought to TikTok, a ball begins rolling on its fandom, then the pandemic happens, causing a boomThis third wave is where everything goes wrong because this is the point where everything has to have ships, headcanons, discourses, et cetera. It's been brought before a fandom culture loving crowd who refuse to approach it for what it is and insist that there is a deeper and more serious side to it.The writers see this crowd and assume that this is what the show is and should be because that's the crowd that is pushing it towards the virality which made the greenlight happen to begin with.
>>152037945I have lived in constant fear of this exact timeline happening with other shows. Clone High certainly didn't deserve what happened to it, but I would genuinely be crushed if media-illiterate zoomers got a hold of Mission Hill. I know there aren't as many easily clipped over-the-top moments in Mission Hill as there are in Clone High (i.e. fewer "They flipped the bitch!" scenes), but given the massacre of cartoons via poorly done revivals lately my heart would break if Mission Hill became yet another victim.
>>152037887they were also involved in this
>>152038001They wrote ONE episode, and it was the cancel culture one
>>152038001Yeah, two decades later, when the magic is gone and the show's entire concept is outdated because no one cares about teen dramas anymore. I don't blame them for phoning it in.
>>152036189the original show was a pretty edgy show filled with decent comedy. one of the fan favorite main characters was Gandhi, but outside of the show's fans he was a controversial character because he was depicted as a party animal midget fratbro and it was "disrespectful". the reboot literally wrote Gandhi off, and added in extremely woke characters with terrible clashing designs. Just look at OP's image, the characters with muted and plain colors are the OG cast, and the characters with neon colors and ugly designs are all the new ones treated as main characters. it also did the typical woke shit where it has to apologize over and over for being the same show. episode 1 of the reboot is literally just tortureporn for Abe, the de facto main character of the series, shaming him for being who he was the whole original series. the original show was at a time when saying "gay" and "retarded" was normal, the 1st episode of the reboot is literally about Abe being cancelled and needing to grovel for forgiveness.they just shouldn't have rebooted the show if they couldn't keep it anything like the original.
>>152037996Here's my two cents. If there's one thing I noticed about that third wave crowd? They suck at the idea of angst or romantic tension being played for laughs. Their favorite fanfics hinged on angst, shows of their youth hinged on angst. Their ships hinged on romance. When something as stupid as Ponce's death scene happens, they can laugh, JFK's subsequent angst? That is serious.It's why they thought JFK expressing interest in Joan was serious even when he basically winked at the camera to announce he was the cause of the "sudden complication" twist that was so common.Those second wave zoomers weren't particularly intimate with what was being satirized, but knew how 2000s humor worked by virtue of having snuck out to watch other adult animated cartoons. And therefore knew what tongue-in-cheek looked like compared to the TikTok crowd that formed in the 2020s
>>152038031>outside of the show's fans he was a controversial characterliterally nobody cared except jeets because they're collectively narcissistic
>>152038104there are 1.44 billion jeets, that's like 20% of all people. if 20% of all people hate something, that's controversial.
>>152038031You know what really bugs me about that? The original show? Never particularly that edgy or offensive compared to most of what aired in the 2000s.Like the edgiest jokes I can remember >Building a moat around the special ed class (or the countless ways they manipulate Genghis in general)>The "youth crisis hotline" subplot>Abe making everyone think he's gay so they stop bullying Ghandi>JFK treating women like objectsAll the edgy stuff always had a core punchline of "these characters are shallow assholes"
>>152038197it was a little edgier than you remember, but often in background gags. like Hitler being at the film fest, and there not being any show stopping moment going "whoa, hitler, that guy is bad and you should feel bad when you think about him". I doubt they do anything like that in the new seasons.
>>152038001They let Erica Rivinoja--an OG writer for the show--handle the revival while they were busy working on Spider-Verse, The Afterparty, and a dozen other projects. Lord & Miller didn't really do much past writing the premiere episode. Anything else was reading off of scripts and *maybe* giving a few notes when they could.
>>152038146no one actually cares what jeets think, viacom just had a habit of caving to the demands of people who screech loudly enough
>>152038223Even that was like, the Hitler clone had a fucking peace sign arm band with the joke that his clone was some kind of peace loving hippie compared to the most reviled genocidal monster of the 20th century.I distinctly remember that when Topher was revealed, people wanted him to interact with that Hitler clone as a joke around the contrast between them. So even the new fandom didn't find that particularly edgy
>>152038324The hitler joke was a subtle background gag and actually funny, the new show would be afraid to go there at all.You're right, and the Topher situation could have lead to good content but they didn't have the balls for any of it. They obviously chose him specifically to go "look the show is woke now and we can call out bad historical people" when the original show was great at calling out people like the Kennedys without needing to grandstand about it, they did it through comedy.
>>152037945I can attest to this cycle. I was definitely in the second group. I don't use TikTok so I was surprised to find out that it had the following it had to warrant a piece of shit reboot like this where the writing staff wanted to ruin all the characters in the original.
>>152038197I mean, they had Jesus as a stoner. I don't remember anybody starting a crusade over it, but that was still pretty edgy for 2002.
>>152038491Outside of the Raisins episode was he supposed to be a dedicated stoner? I just thought he was Mexican.
>>152038458I think that was everyone's sentiment.The first time I encountered that third wave, they were gushing over JFK as a lovable himbo and talking about how cute he was with Joan and all I could think was "You realize that scene was meant as him telling her what she wants to hear right? Did you not see the immediate scene after where he looks smug, she looks regretful, and he meta-announces himself as the twist ending?"
https://youtu.be/TG8IkUoZ6j0this was supposed to be the beattles with jesus combined in one?
>>152038656>they were gushing over JFK as a lovable himboThis was the extent of what I saw from the third wave actually and it totally feels like they wrote reboot JFK to satisfy that idea people had of the character.They couldn't even come through with the logic that seeing vulnerable JFK is funny because it's at the opposite side of the spectrum of how he normally behaves. It's funny in the original when he comes to the Gay Foster Dads for advice or the whole Ponce episode. If those types of situations came about in the reboot it'd be normal/boring.
>>152038752Ashley Angel from O-Town, eh...?
>>152038252They ruined her design and got an Emmy Award for it.
>>152037687That's some good Intel.
>>152038812her not having charp edges enymore was a terrible choice.
>>152038766This is where the divorce from the original came in. Basically every high school drama at that point would have token episodes designed to humanize the bully jock character and it was always something like a dead family member rather than simple circumstance that like parental neglect or general insecurity
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>>152039347>>152039363THE DESIGNS POSTED BY SOME OF THE SHOW ARTISTS WERE WAY FUCKING BETTERWHY THE FUCK THEY CHOSE THE OWRST ONES FOR THE SHOW??? FUCKING HELL
>>152039363Frida still feels like the ultimate example of why this show went down so badly. Like, she is genuinely the most "fellow kids" character I have ever fucking seen in regards to how millennials viewed Gen Z.
>>152039371I recall someone saying they wanted the zoomer clones to contrast with the millennial ones, so basically they picked the worst designs on purpose.
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>>152039447>>152039440>>152039430>>152039426>>152039418most of these are infinetly better than what we got. fucking hell.
>>152037875Well in a sense is that they changed their writing to pander towards zoomers. As much shit Millennials get for everything the "Millennial writing" criticism isn't actually their doing, it was called millennial writing because it was written by generations like Boomers-Xers who THINK what would millennials like.
