So I'm about 2-3 months into my Marvel Silver Age marathon and it's actually insane how much better Spiderman is to literally anything else. FF is also pretty decent but Spiderman is just far leagues better than the others, there are some issues that I feel like could be released today without any changes and they would still be praised. It's just that good. What is the secret? Was Stan Lee completely locked in when writing them?
>>152046523Stan Lee wrote romance comics, Spider-Man was half soap opera about a hard-luck teen.He was in his groove.
I also want to add that Steve Dicko's additions were giving Peter that edge of a weirdo smart guy who was eternally trying to get somewhere.And though th thought bubbles always went back to the soap opera stuff. Peter under the mask is a wise-cracking smart-aleck.Steve Dicko had expressive action scenes to double up with that.
>>152046523Steve fucking Ditko. There's a reason why Ditko is probably one of the few mainstream superhero comic artists who can say they both influence the mainstream and the indie scene. And it's in a very invisible way. He didn't originate the nine panel grid but he chose to use it to play out these dramas in a way no other artist really did before in the mainstream. He's not a flashy artist the way Kirby was, though his work has it's distinct visuals(could anyone else really design Spider-man like he did? The motifs are present in other heroes but it's all mashed together so uniquely in Spider-man you can still use the core design in modern media and still have it be appealing)Ditko had a big interest in telling stories about people. Remember, it was Ditko's pictures first. Ditko chose on drawing all thise scenes of people drama that gave Spider-man it's heart and soul and are the mine from which countless stories. the way Peter is drawn with the weight of the world on his shoulders, the body language of the hands and the expressions of the faces. Which isn't to say Stan didn't do a great job of selling this either. He was the hype man and marketer comcis needed. His writing had a rythm about it to it that sticks with you. Call it overwritten now, but it did have a personality that's lacking in a lot of other comics of the era.
>>152046523I only really like Spider-Man for the art and some character moments. A lot of the plot is quite basic.>I feel like could be released today without any changes and they would still be praised.Not exactly a good way to measure quality when someone like Tom King is considered good today.
>>152046523HELL YEAH SOMEONE ELSE PREFERS THE DITKO RUNUnironically it was because of Steve Ditko. He was a smart and creative man who genuinely liked comics. Not a perfect human being, but I could say the same about many people that worked and work in comics. Anyways, first half of the run Ditko and Lee would both be responsible for the plot of ASM, but after that it was just Ditko. Stan was the one writing the dialogue, sometimes very boring but it could also be memorable. It was an extremely revolutionary comic. I thought that comics were dumb and bad, but Ditko's ASM was the first run I read completely and it changed my mind. Since then, I've read many other runs, stories, and maxi and miniseries, but nothing is comparable to that run. I could write a whole essay analyzing it, it's that complex and special for me.
>>152047056BASED BRAZILIAN
>>152048076Okay, it's not that good either. Calm down.
>>152048900Useless reply.
>>152048900IT IS
>>152046523Everything Ditko touched turned to gold
>>152046700That's the big one, I'd say; the setup played to his strengths. I'd also say that starring a single hero let him build quite a varied cast. With the FF or the X-Men, you can have most of the interactions just be between the team, but Pete's gotta go out and meet a bunch of people. He can't just stay in a lab or a mansion; he's gotta go to school, go to work, go to college, take care of Aunt May... A ton of different environments that need their own cast, their own developments.
>>152049278Beware the CreeperHawk & the DoveSpeedballShade the Changing ManThe Destructor
>>152050029I liked creeper
>>152047678>doesn't like Mr. AFiltered.
Romita is better
>>152050029all those except maybe Destructor are still notable
>>152050029Shade was good, but got canceled. It was more entertaining than most other celebrated Bronze Age comics.
>>152050826Mr. A is cool, but his comic sucks.
>>152051269This. The high school stuff is fun, but it gets way better as soon as the college era staff is introduced and Romita is drawing
>>152052744I have no idea why editorial and adaptations are stuck on the highschool era when College is so much fun. It pigeonholes them into stuffing decades of content into a few years and letting nothing breathe or letting Peter grow naturally as a hero.
>>152051269>>152052744No.
>>152046523>there are some issues that I feel like could be released today without any changes and they would still be praisedMassive disagree.
Romita's run is boring to me. I'm not sure how much of that is on Lee and how much is Romita, though.
>>1520500293 out of 5 of those are cool, though.
>>152054598Yeah reading it, I was surprised at how wasted some of those issues were when they focused on Kangaroo and Man Mountain Marko and a reprint of that Spec magazine as well as the Vulture stories with Drago. Medusa issue wasn't too memorable either. Quicksilver was a bit better. Oh man did those Vulture issues suck when it was Drago. At least Mysterio, Lizard, Kraven, Rhino, Shocker, Goblin, etc. had good presence. It's just some of the kingpin family stuff was a slog and Prowler was not as good as design. A lot of potential but not a lot going on in the issue except he's a homie by the end of it.
>>152046700And Romita was an artist for romance comics. It was a perfect match.
>>152046523I love the use of whites in these early comics. I'm sure it was done to save coloring/printing budget, but I just think it adds a lot to the overall look
>>152051269better technical artist, not particularly stand out storyteller.
>>152047746the final boss of art is realizing that presentation is more important than the elaborateness of subject matter.It's why Ozu's simple stories about normal people are well regarded despite not being the most elaborate concepts.
>>152057015Probably the best example about this is picrel. A shallow plot that could be summarized in a paragraph, but it's genuinely good
>>152057015The difference is that Ozu wrote good stuff. Lee did not.
>>152048900>Ditko Spider-Man not goodMoviecasual pls go back to /tv/
>>152057197It doesn't surprise me that you can't actually read.
>>152047678>you can still use the core design in modern media and still have it be appealingI was watching the Civil War MCU film the other day, and it did stand out that every character in the big fight scene has a darker, "cooler" costume than their original comics inspiration, except for Spiderman, who's pretty much straight from a Ditko comic.
>>152057285that anon's post implies that the "it's not that good" is still offensive and fake
>>152047678Dikto was also, for once, an artist that wanted to do superhero stuff, and not for money.
>>152046523Did what? I can read this long words?
bump why not
Marvel used to care about comicsNow everything is written like a netflix series with no regard for history or build up towards anything
>>152046523>Was Stan Lee completely locked in when writing them?It's not really locking in. Ditko at this point was blocking any input from Stan and would inform Stan how the characters were feeling in notes in the margins when the pages got to the office. Ditko never would be this compelling again either, bizarrely. >So I'm about 2-3 months into my Marvel Silver Age marathon and it's actually insane how much better Spiderman is to literally anything else.ALOT of it is standard superhero fare. Shit, there's plenty of DC books of the era I would probably read over Don Heck Iron Man.
>>152046523>FF is also pretty decentUnpopular opinion, but I think Lee/Kirby FF starts out pretty good and creative, but falls off eventually. I'm mostly sparing Kirby the blame aside from the occasional lazy plot beat he might've been responsible for, but most of my problem lies with Lee and his goddamn dialogue. It's not so bad in the early days, but the more the run goes on, the more the dialogue starts to feel flanderized and like a parody of itself.Half the exchanges in the later issues are just this:>Johnny: *reckless taunting*>Ben: I'm reckunin' it's clobberin' time!!>Sue: Oh, Reed! What will we do??>Reed: *generic inspiring speech*I used to not mind this so much, but after I began to read some Silver Age DC, where characters talk normally, it really highlighted how tryhard Lee's dialogue was. I guess I'm historically wrong in calling it tryhard, since it clearly worked and Marvel was beating DC in sales at that time. But that's how it feels to me today. It's the same shit on loop, over and over, and it's always trying to be hip and cool and have an attitude.
>>152046523You're just a fan of Soap Operas. Spider-Man is literally just a soap opera for little boys and manchildren. There's nothing ever genuinely novel or interesting in a Spider-Man book. It's an endless parade of love triangles and hype moments, which change on their execution depending on the decade. But beyond that the book's swallow. It's the quintessential entry-level superhero soap. DC's answer is Superman. Which is why these characters attract fans of the same kind. Essentially they work based on the character interactions, but since capes can never progress, they just run around the same circles. Other books shake up the status quo or move forward, even a bit, but these two never can. Hell, even Superman got a kid. Spider-Man is just about some retard starring in a sitcom with the occasional "mature" episode and then a few issues where he goes "all out" so that the maladjusted fans can jerk off over the powerlevel feats, before the book goes back to being about said retard angsting over his geriatric aunt or whatever new thing he's torturing himself over.(You) think it's fresh because Spider-Man as a concept or franchise or character has just not changed since then. You're literally reading a soap with tights and nothing more.
ditko gwen stacy a cute
>>152061215Counterargument:>>152061220
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>>152057015Bringing up Ozu when talking about Spider-man made me laugh my ass off.
>>152061220I oughta do a thread dedicated to silver age babes sometime. My favorite is Jane Foster
