Now that we are in year 2026, can we finally agree that Alan Moore was right about everything?
>>152058688Never, you stupid faggot, but I wish that was true just so that fags like you couldn't even live.
>>152058688No thanks, I'll form my own thoughts and opinions instead of letting some geriatric hypocrite do it for me
>>152058688>be a good writer for a bit in the 80s>become a bitter old hack>everyone now has to listen to you talk out of your assI guess I'm just thankful he didn't go the other way like Kanye so I can still respect him a bit.
>>152058729He hasn't done the Gaiman thing either.
>>152058688Communists are never right
>>152058737That never existed.
>>152058688He's mostly right, as far as infantilization at least. I don't think superheroes are ground zero though, movies and TV were already infantilized before the MCU happened.
>>152058743I see that you're ESL and I applaud you for trying your best.
>manchilds malding ITTYou just proved him right.
>>152058744Communism is infatilization.
>>152058688I don't even care if he's right, I'm just tired of superhero movies and if saying "superhero movies cause fascism" gets Hollywood to make something else, I'm down with it.
>>152058729Who knows how much he has just retroactively put new meanings to his old deeds, but Moore's main problem is not comic books existing. It is the audience they ended up getting. He claims he never expected - even when making Watchmen - that actual adult men would get so invested in any of it, he intended it for adolescents and says he was blindsided by the media of the time writing that super hero comic books are "growing up" because he does not think they ever did. He has an issue with adults reading superhero media and watching capeshit when they should read books (or at least non-cape comics) or watch more mature movies.
>>152058761Go take your HRT, tranny
>>152058769>He has an issue with adults reading superhero media and watching capeshit when they should read books (or at least non-cape comics) or watch more mature movies.He just has outdated ideas.
No more cape shit. We have to make angsty YA-Dystopia movies again, where the government has a lot of exposed concrete everywhere and they have mass surveillance and futuristic technology and an 18 year old girl and her two boyfriends overthrow the government.
>mug ragebait>can't live without muh ragebait>just let me make another boring ragebait thread pleaseI know you need to grow up, for sure.
>>152058688Alan was always right and buttburt fanboys just don’t want to admit what it says about themselves
>>152058769>He has an issue with adults reading superhero media and watching capeshit when they should read books (or at least non-cape comics) or watch more mature movies.Tell this guy they're not mutually exclusive. That said no I don't particularly want to read his pedo rape fetish book again.
>>152058818Shut up, cock-sucking faggot
>>152058806Capeshit was hand in hand with the YA boom there is no distinction.
Capeshit needs to die already, they have been milking it for a while now and it's stunting the growth of the retards that guzzle it down, which leads to real life kind of issues. The current state of the world can't be blamed solely on capeshit though, as that's a result of a very carefully elaborated plan that involves suppression of spirituality, empathy, mutual understanding, and a rise on hatred, violence, ignorance and greed.
>>152058862No
>>152058839>Tell this guy they're not mutually exclusive.It absolutely is in the modern culture. So many people have their entire identities wrapped around Star Wars, Star Trek, MCU etc. Even if it’s mainly to bitch and whine they aren’t experiencing the same exact sugar highs they got from them when they were children.Look at how little people today read actual books and spend endless hours whining that their comic book adaptation changed something superficial, while being completely oblivious to all the media adaptations they love that did even bigger changes but they don’t care about because they consumed those before turning into nitpicky manchildren raging that their feelings were hurt because a TV show didn’t do a 1:1 adaptation of a text or drawn comic. Mainstream culture has gone through a massive infantilisation precisely because adults cling to nostalgia and act like children about it
>>152058688that dumb commie has been proven wrong about just about everything
>>152058874You are wrong, pretentious faggot
I'd say imperialism and general authoritarianism.Fascism arose in the 1920s as a response to Bolshevik communism. The Bolshevik's preached a large scale death of the prior culture and national identity by any means necessary viewing these things as tools of the bourgeois. In response, fascism said "no, the prior culture and identity actually must be preserved by any means necessary including against natural change brought on by the people themselves."Both largely followed a "might makes right" ideology while hinging on the industrial revolution as a new faucet of national pride both in economy and might.Yeah. Turns out there was an actual definition for fascism beyond simple authoritarianism the entire time. Why the people running around screaming about it didn't just say it? I can't tell you.But heroes have the "might makes right" aspect of general authoritarianism but in the current state of MARVEL or DC follow a liberal status quo on changing vs preserving the prior culture.
>>152058888>MY HECKIN SUPERHEROINOS! YOU CAN'T WRONGSPEAK ABOUT THEMShut up cockmongler
>>152058882Good, faggot
Escapism is like the only pastime when you're an adult though. Even mainstream hobbies are based around it-Oh he's focused on the fascism part. I don't really care then.
>>152058769>He has an issue with adults reading superhero media and watching capeshit when they should read books (or at least non-cape comics) or watch more mature moviesWhat makes something acceptable to adults? Who determines something is ok to view/read and what is infantile? Is art and drawings overall infantile?Is your only life interest as an adult being your wage slaving job for billionaires to exploit you and having no life interests out of that?Wouldn’t any fictional literature or any literature besides academic texts related to your profession be immature at that age if Moore is agreeing with elites?
>YOU LIKE SUPERHEROES>THAT MEANS YOU LIKE COPSYes.
>>152058903Stop projecting, weak faggot
Little lulu i love you-lu just the same.
If you like men in spandex punching each other, you're a fag. Fascism attracts fags with power fantasies, so there a link between them.
>>152058908You’re being infantile when you treat cheap disposable fiction as a sacred tome. Which is exactly how a lot of fanboys do. An adult can read superhero comics and flip a gasket every time they read a bad story or see a bad adaptation. Because they can handle disappointment and acknowledge entertainment can be bas and it’s a difficult job to make it good consistently. An infantilised manchild meanwhile will just get aggravated because they treat it as a personal affront if they can’t enjoy something. Like the creators purposely ruined it for them.I have been reading Spider-man longer than OMD has been a thing yet I don’t seethe about one stupid fucking story to this day like apparently majority of the losers here do given how salty they acr and keep insisting that Marvel has to go out of their way to retcon it in an in-continuity story. An adult could just say it was bad story, I’m not going to waste time crying about it for 20 years, I hope I get better stories in the future and have a adult’s view in reviewing the quality.
>>152058769Does he realize he was a grown ass man writing superheroes? Kinda defeats the entire premise.
>>152058969Cuck, you don't deserve to live.
>>152058965Stop projecting your faggotry, subhuman
>>152058979He was writing for young audiences in mind, not 30 year old men who refuse to grow up
>>152058969>just consume slop or you're not an adult
>>152058981Look at this infantile manchild
>>152059003I said the truth, you pushover faggot.
>>152058996Oh and he's the arbiter of what's "grown up" or not, huh?
>>152058996You're a grown ass man that likes children's cartoons and has wet dreams about fascists
>>152058882Hmm I wonder if any of that has to do with socio-economic conditions of modern life. What if the increased monopolization of entertainment has geared studios toward mass market products. What if political elites have been purposefully increasing fractionaliaztion of culture to divide natural allies. Maybe just maybe broad economic and financial stress, defunding and the high cost of educational programs, and the lack of time and energy to dedicate to deeper and broader interests. Big tech companies might be in on all of this too. Bro maybe superheroes aren't actually the problem.But maybe I'm wrong and things were great in the 1930s when people were reading better books.
>>152058969I agree but it is kind of a bummer how bad marvel comics in general are atm, I'd like to see their material improve.
>>152059007>short response >meaningless insult You're so automated that even your responses are formulaic.
>>152059001An adult can just stop and do something else if they can’t enjoy something. A manchild is someone suffers from arrested development so much that they are incapable of moving on and feel entitled ownership of whatever they’re consuming. If you hated Spider-man so much now you could stop giving a shit and read Superman or fucking Dilbert. But you won’t because whining about Spider-man is part of your personality.Unlike you I can still enjoy comics and I don’t become obsessed whenever I don’t like a story. Maybe a new one will be better or it won’t. I can just go read something else.
/co/mblrfags shouldn't even have the gall to shittalk capeshit when they unironically have arguments about the supposed maturity of infamous 2010s shows.
>>152059025Or maybe it’s just capitalism driving everything to cater to the lowest common denominator and you’re angry because you’re no longer a child who is easily entertained but are too stupid to understand that, let alone vocalise it as a substantial critique
>>152059027No, I just say it like it is.
>>152059030Dude I'm not this boogeyman you've built in your head. I didn't say anything about Spider-Man. And I bet I'm more supportive of the medium, as I buy indie comics as well as mainstream. Fuck off
>>152059030What you’re saying is technically right but ultimately irrelevant to the OP argument.
He only says that because he's butthurt at DC Comics.
>>152059042Yeah. That's what I just said.
>>152059047>I’m bigger and more devoted fan than than you based on money I spend!>Can’t even understand a basic rhetorical device being used as an example of how dumb fanboys actLMAO
>>152059051DC comics fucked him over, he can talk shit about them for the rest of his days (until the heatdeath of the universe)
>>152059083They did a good thing.
>>152059075(You)
Not a word about your good mate Neil's woes, Alan?
>>152058969You’re 100% right and these fucking web sites incentivizing the seethe does not help
>>152059261They haven't spoken in years, what could you possibly want him to say?
>>152059267Pushover, you lost.
>>152058996But he also wrote stuff like League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, which is clearly aimed at adults while still being escapist fiction.
>>152059315>LXG is about muh escapismMedia illiteracy rears its ugly head again
>>152059345It's primarily just a long series of references to books and other media. I enjoyed them, but they're not deep, it's just like a literary game.
>>152059345>Media illiteracy rears its ugly head againReading comprehension sure doesn't. You're literally just repeating words you've seen other places aren't you?
>>152059345He is right. Most books are escapism. And the ones he choose are half just escapism and appealing to you sense of justice.Quatermain - pure adventure escapismDracula - Horror story escapismCaptain Nemo - Escapism with a technology criticismJekyll & Hyde - Adventure Horror escapism that explores a villianInvisible Man - Drama thriller that explores humanity.And this >>152059394
Just another shit thread on my nigger board
>>152059291Really, what caused the break? He did introduce Melinda to Alan and led to their marriage
>>152058938Stop deflecting, worthless sperg.>>152058993Stop deflecting your sperggotry, subnormal.
>>152059046>>152059007>>152058981hotheads like you won't deserves the rights
>>152058688No. Anyone who buys into the "muh cape comics makes muh fascisms" meme is automatically a fucking idiot, especially someone who claims to be to be well-read like him and should know that blaming this culture war shit on men in spandex is like blaming the youth for the sins of their great grand-fathers. All of the bullshit claims he lays on superhero comics was far more present in the types of literature he worships and adores himself. Then again, this is the same man who was convinced he could somehow turn the Golliwog back into a figure of childhood whimsy and just conveniently ignore the fact it's a fucking blackface doll. Man's always been blind to his own biases.So nah. He's not right. He's just spouting shit to reconcile how much he still obsesses over cape shit while being rightfully pissed off at DC. And I wouldn't trust the words of a man this much at war with himself.
>>152058688I just read old Punisher stuff these days.
>>152058688Mom raised 4 children and had a long, successful career. She spends a lot of her leisure time watching K-drama.Does her choice of entertainment make her infantile? Or is her actual worth in her in her accomplishments and the content of her character?Why should I be judged differently if I happen to prefer cartoons?
>>152060288K-drama isn’t aimed at children
>>152058688Bold thing to say when his modern relevance isn't from any story he has written lately, but from left wing manchildren believing that a geriatric anarchist superhero comic books writer is a political pundit
>>152060326It's mass produced entertainment aimed at females aged 13 to 99, that usually doesn't has much to say about life or whatever.And children have never given a shit about gritty auteur comics anyway.
>>152060288You want a bitter truth no one is willing to admit?Having the free time and energy to be super intellectual about your media palette isn't proof of a higher functioning person but the mark of someone with a cushier life.Look at it like this. There Will Be Blood. Thought-provoking historical period piece with an emphasis on the battle between religion and capitalism in the United States Industrial era, heavy emphasis on charisma, one looks more like the villain but using context clues lets the audience determine that they're both assholes.Most people who typically watch sportsball and play violent vidya are perfectly capable of seeing and enjoying this movie, and a lot of them have. But working a shitty 9-5 while being kept barely below overtime and barely paying your necessities? Most people want that kind of film to be a "sometimes" thing because they don't have the mental energy and just want to escape on a thursday night.
>>152060358I like gritty auteur comics when I was a child because I was very pretentious.
>>152060398I've known that for a long time, anon.Most common people through history had what could be described by some "bad taste", be it sports, soap opera, pulp, comedy, train models or whatever.But some people like the rape comic hobo are deluded into thinking their "high taste" was common in the past, which is ironically the same kind of rose tinted glasses nostalgia they criticize.(I mean it, I recall a quote from him talking about how movies were better because of some art movies he mentioned)
>>152058688nah, the gamergate and gamers are to blame
>>152058806>Dystopia where the government has a lot of exposed concrete everywhere and they have mass surveillance and futuristic technologyThat's just real life
>>152058688Always was
>>152058688I like many of his stories, but he wasn't 'right' about all that much.I mean he wrote Watchmen under the assumption that the Cold War could never end peacefully. The inevitability of nuclear war is an enormous part of that book. And that just didn't age well. He was wrong.Hell, now we have access to old Cold War era military strategies and so we know, even if a war did break out between the US and the USSR, neither power wanted to make it a nuclear one. Not unless the other struck first.And considering nuclear holocaust is a far more devastating thing than just loosing control over eastern/western Europe, neither power's military even wanted it.
>>152060787I think you're not counting the jewry hatred of life and senile leaders seeing the world as their playground.
The 'UK Invasion' was the worst thing to happen to American comics.
>>152058688he’s right in that people who exclusively consume media for children tend to have childish mindsets, and the simplistic worldview underpinning most authoritarian ideologies is similarly childish.he’s wrong for only calling out fascism./thread
>>152061065Nowhere near the worst. The stories are, by and large, quality in a vacuum. The issue with comics is modern sensibilities with DEI hires so you get shit like an entire page where some hero is telling you she played Undertale (incorrectly) to show how smart she is.
>>152058882>Modern Culture>Star TrekI agree with everything you said, but placing modern ST on the same cultural stone as Star Wars and the MCU is insane. Literally no one cares about trek anymore.
>>152058688>Blame everyone else for the terrible conditions he helped to create.Peak socialism
>>152058688No. His thinking is targeting the wrong people. What he's really talking about is modern comic book writers.
>>152061093Shut up, fag
>>152060774Nope, tranny
>>152060709Kys, tranny, you lost
>>152058688Nah it’s fucked up that he refused to allow 1963 miniseries to be reprinted just because he’s is Le Mad at Steven BissettePlus he should have written an ending for it
>>152058688No, because I don't trust communist hacks to give an accurate definition of fascism, and I list him as one of those authors who doesn't understand his audience, largely a success by accident.>>152058969>being passionate about your hobbies is infantileMiserable shithead spotted.>>152059042As opposed to Socialism, where there is no catering whatsoever, and it's accept your slop and smile, comrade, or line up against the wall.>>152059819Preach, my brother. How can anyone take Moore seriously after he wrote a trash horror comic with Fish Man Handjobs?>>152061065They are runoff, the hacks without the talent to thrive in the European market.
>>152061269Make me, sperg
>>152061281Eeyup, granny>>152061287You first tourist, the game
>>152058688Loath as I am to admit it, he really probably was right. There are still faggots in pretty much every storytime thread moaning and whining when a woman or minority shows up to do literally anything. It gets old as fuck trying to share hobbies with screeching harpies like that.
>>152060709I was a teenager when all that bullshit was kicking off. Had no idea that it would turn into all this in my wildest dreams. I just wanted to bitch about video games back then and now years on, 4chan, internet discourse, and my country are all literally ruined. I'm glad I snapped out of it when I did, but it was already too late. No idea how we even begin to unfuck ourselves.
>>152061595Pushover.
>>152058688Partially right. It would have been more apt if he said "precursor to dangerous policy" or something more general, because fascism is a crutch a lot of libs use. But Moore, while he's more learned than most people, has a bad memory and doesn't have his finger in the pulse.Adults soifacing over superhero and cartoon media is 100% a bad thing.
>>152061948>Adults soifacing over superhero and cartoon media is 100% a bad thing.Fuck off, your reddit meme doesn't exist.
>>152058769His claim is disingenuous. It could be that old age has caught up to him and he is unaware that he is the one regressing. It's unfortunate that it happens to some older people, like my 96 year old grandma for example who can't be reasoned with at times. How could he not know that there was a sizeable amount of adults reading comics even back then, given who attended cons and how frequently readers revealed their age, intentionally and unintentionally in the letters pages. There is also the obvious fact that he would know just how puritanical Western society is(something he comments upon within the pages of Watchmen no less) and so the book was always intended for older readers. As if the comic with the nekkid blue guy with the visible meat & potatoes was being marketed towards kids and readily sold at convenience & groceries stores. Something, something direct market. >>152058882Some good points, but if enough people genuinely read books back then we would not have the extent of our current problems which stem from people's willful ignorance and their refusal to accept responsibility. There was a spike in searches regarding who pays for tarriffs after the 2024 election, not before it. That was taught in school along with the roll of tarriffs regarding the Great Depression. Since we were kids, our peers have had animosity towards anyone smarter than themselves. In real time, golden age Simpsons repeatedly & mercilessly mocked how childish the supposed grown world is.>>152058969Again, great points but you are missing the most important part. People got tired of waiting for the gods to show up. Dudes were on street corners in downtown screeching about how we deserved to burn in hell. 4 decades and change later and yet here we are. 2 more weeks, I swear. The modern fictional figures are archetypes which is why the public has latched on to them. Anons can read Moore's Promethea which explores ideas and the intersections of myth with our reality. 1/2
>>152058688Superhero stories are about strong people coming in and giving decisive solutions to problems. This is exactly what normal people want when they are having problems, which is why the always gravitate towards the more drastic candidates, and they create a demand for them. What people want is authoritarianism. Their freedom is secondary to their basic needs such as food, stability, security. Authoritarianism comes in both right and left flavours, but the left always cries about fascism because their image and their ego relies on them painting themselves as the anti-authoritarians.In short, Moore is scared that inspirational stories may inspire people rise up against his side's evil.
Fictional media is dying because we have more options to entertain ourselves now. Its too late, people's habits have changed. Only a very small amount of media is relevant now, and its success is usually related to the creator and their personal story
>>152062120>What people want is authoritarianism.Nobody wants it.
>>152062355>Fictional media is dying because we have more options to entertain ourselves now.Like what?
>>152062440Kids only consume Roblox and influencers, most of other new "children's media" is actually aimed at manchildren.
>>152061882Yeah I'm a pushover because I'm tired of seeing the same posts every single thread and after actual years wasting away, I decide to severely limit my engagement with it. Not even joking, you'll shoot understand me when you've got some more years on you. Trying to have conversations with those kinds of people will never bear any kind of fruit. I've tried, and tried, and tried some more. Nothing you say matters to people like that.
>>152062484So you think that spastic nerds having whines over inconsequential shit is a direct pipeline becoming goosestepper? Are you really trying to go that far?
>>152058688Why doesn't he just fucking kill himself if he hates life so much?
>>152058969Midwit spotted
>>152062518If you were there from the inception of GG and saw firsthand how it expanded exponentially in like, direct correlation with young men increasingly becoming bootlickers, and how that got co-opted by people like the GOP, you'd understand. This site and the internet at large was always edgy before GG, but never that ridiculously sensitive to anything different. Big money interests stoked those flames in young men much to all of our detriment. Internet discourse about pretty much anything will probably never recover.
>>152058763The coddling of the eternal narcissist, you are technically correct but it's kind of insidious how it targets the ugly people to coddle them by blaming everyone else.
>>152062569>Unprompted mention of Goonergate to go "ermagerd teh nazi gamer nerds voted blumpf into office noooooo!"I was there, and I'm going to say right now, without any form of irony, that you are beyond full of shit and should stop believing every single bit of propaganda the media feeds you, Alan Moore. Fucktards like you are the reason politics is a fucking joke.
>>152061442If you’re idea of passion is just endless vitriolic rage aimed at others, you are a child.
>>152061098There’s endless bitching about Star Trek today.
>>152062609You'll grow out of it some day and see shit for what it really is man. Take care.
>>152062555Nitwit spotted
>>152058688yeah
>>152062676No
A character like Iron Man does give people a kind of power fantasy, flying into another country to unilaterally stop the bad guy...(!!)On the other hand, this could be completely pretentious. A lot of people just relate to struggles of a Spiderman or the XMen, and have fun following their stories. It's fun.
>>152062636I'm pretty sure you're the one who will see shit for what it is someday. The need to pin Donald Trump's election on some nothingburger gamer nerdom tantrum is one of the biggest copes that ever was. All the shit that got him elected was well in place before Goonergate, the people pissed at Obama's promise of change falling through, the increased isolation and tribalisation of the internet, the anger and frustration of a bunch of young men with zero positive rolemodels being taken in by grifters and snake oil salesmen, the increasing cry of "fuck you, got mine", all of that shit was in place before some stupid whore's bitter ex-boyfriend pointed out the obvious corruption in the media and and a bunch of websites predictably closed the wagons in the most obvious way possible. Germany didn't decide to put a short man with a bad haircut and a charlie chaplin mustache into power because they thought his screaming was funny, shit was insanely bad long before he found an audience for his vitriol and insanity, and the fact you're retarded enough to believe in some stupid gamer tardrage moment is why there's more unironic nazis and neo-conservatives shows you are an uneducated lout who has no ability to process the world around him.Don't take care. Stick your head in a toilet and flush out your brain worms before posting here again. Maybe actually examine the world around you before spouting shit, Alan Moore.
>>152058688I don't think Marvel and DC quip chungus soijaks are pro-fascism.
>>152062484mmmm wouldn't wanna mess with this badd ass
2/2>>152060787You are saying that from the comfort of the future and after the fact that information came to light. You are also ignoring the close calls that happened on both sides. He acknowledges in the intro for V how unrealistic his portrayal is regarding the aftermath of even a limited exchange. New information that he came across afterwards taught him how much more severe the after effects would be. Interesting that adjacent to this is the Rendlesham forest incident that occurred in the final days of 1980. The public in the UK nor the US were aware of the US nukes being stored on British soil by the US Airforce that was leasing two bases. In contrast to you and others thinking the Cold War was no big deal, the occupants of the craft were very intested in what was being stored out of view. Those weapons to this day still draw the attention of craft not made by any known nation on Earth. Pakistan vs India alone could trigger a global conflict. That whole incident from 1980 is bizarre. To the obvious obfuscation, add the differences of what those present reported seeing. Possibly visitors from 6,000 years in the future. It's a damn shame old man Moore gave up on comics and too many of us didn't pick up the slack. Maybe we shouldn't have referred to ourselves as slackers. This video might help to begin to make sense of what has always been at play.https://youtu.be/i5zLbiM0c3o?siEnough people are finally waking up. Be supportive and help bring about a better world.
>>152062733>the anger and frustration of a bunch of young men with zero positive rolemodels being taken in by grifters and snake oil salesmenYou literally just described Gamergate looool
>>152062761Fucking read, retard. I outright said very plainly that shit long existed before Goblingate, that to act like this one stupid tantrum by the media outlets and gamer subcultures is what lead to an increase and grifters and prostelytizers of cult of personalities is to be blatantly ignorant of what pop culture and politics was at the time, and that you should read a goddamn book before acting like you know shit about shit.
>>152060709To think that an Armenian would be responsible for blowing out the prostates of all millennial men and handing over gen z men over to the right wing on a silver platter is utterly fascinating i would not know when to start laughing.
>>152062786t. Guy who can't even look at when usage of this site spiked and never went downFace it buddy, you're retarded
>>152059785fucking retard
He is kinda right desu.Let's say that Superman landed in the middle east or LatinAM and defended their country. The lesson would be everyone would be calling them a terrorist if they acted globally, he's only a 'hero' if he's fighting for the US with the whole jingoistic narrative. Same for Captain America.Superheroes, as they've historically been presented are just a vehicle for soft fascism. They also had shades of unionism and the potential for leftist exploration, but the whole 'Superman is a man of the people' flavor train left long ago after the 40's and isn't really relevant anymore.
>>152062817t. Internet poisoned retard who doesn't understand historySeriously, Alan Moore, shouldn't you be crying into your fat wife's hairy bossom about how DC turned Rorschach into a funko pop instead of shitposting on 4chan? What would the Golliwog think of you?
I miss the ip counter
>>152062822How is it you manage to sound exactly like you come from twitter?
>>152062837I'll turn you onto some game: you told me to "stop trusting media" then said "read some books about this shit you lived through because my crooked writers told me it wasn't how you saw it firsthand"It's really easy as shit to poke holes in your goofy-ass arguments, it's just a waste of time because ironically enough (actual irony, not your internet meme definition) you keep coming up with new cope so you can continue to blindly trust your little media hugbox to always steer you right no matter what.>I'm gonna call you somebody famous that I disagree with!Is also ironically enough a stale-ass GG meme
>>152058688Remember when he thought islam would be banned in the UK.Fucking loser doesn't know shit
>>152062884Sorry, but this shithole don't do upvotes like reddit does, Alan. The fact you're still obsessing over some thing that happened a decade ago shows you never mentally recovered from the fact the internet's most pathetic tribe gave the weakest "no u" ever that you have to make this fanfic that it turned them into nazi like lycanthropes.Here's a wild thought; Fascism is what makes fascists. Not stupid shit like petty internet drama or picture books about men and women in tights. Maybe go outside and meet some real fascists instead of fighting the ones that exist only in your head while you're sobbing in the bathroom.
>>152058688Yes, of course. People have always hated him for being too right about everything
>>152062945This is word salad
>>152062954Nope, Alan.
>>152062956Cope, Alan
>>152062855You think I sound that rightwinged and deranged to have come from twitter?I'm not a bot spewing outrage bait and vitriol, so I wouldn't know.
>>152062956No, it’s the truth
>>152062974Yes, you do sound brain-damaged enough
>>152062945>Here's a wild thought; Fascism is what makes fascists. Not stupid shit like petty internet dramaAre you living in 1940's or what? That's not how the real world works anymore.>Maybe go outside and meet some real fascistsLarping fat fuck fossils doing nazi cosplay aren't the real threat anymore compared to social media algorithms and netizens. The endgoal is merely to transform the latter into the patheticness of the former.
>>152062983Funny sentence from an ESL retard who cannot punctuate a sentence correctly.
>>152062995I don't even need to quote any of that nonsense to point out that you have proven everything that was pointed out to you; Your logic centers are unironically being eaten by brain worms that you've willingly injected into yourself just to avoid facing reality. So I might as well call Alan Moore for the fact you're as senile and hopelessly uneducated about the real world as he is. Please, seek help. And not from social media.
>>152063011I'm sorry you can't block this post just because you're butt-hurt about paying Elon Musk all that money for a gold X account, Twitter-kun.
>>152063054>Your logic centers are unironically being eaten by brain worms that you've willingly injected into yourself just to avoid facing reality.The irony is honestly incredible with this guy
>>152063113Remember, if all those evil nasty internet comic book nazis get to be too much for you, Alan, you can always call 111. They care about you, Alan.
>>152058688He’s right about consuming superhero slop being infantilizing but he’s focused on the wrong extreme.
>>152058688Adorno and his consequences have been a disaster for leftist discourse.
>>152058688the english of his generation are very often Retards. full stop. men his age and political leaning are the reason why their country is so fucked up. we're dealing with the minds of people who grew up constantly hearing about their daddies fought and died to defeat the the big bad krauts...who have in their own way becoming something just as bad if not worse.>U want to be hard on crime??? wow...me dad didn't die in the war so you could be an hitler, m8. things are more nuanced than criminals bad...read a book or somefin.that's the extent of their thought process. they're retards, end of story.
>>152063192Shut up, fag
>>152063192Communism is pretty much dead. Nobody is arguing to take over the means or production or erasing the social classes. We live in capitalism realism. Meanwhile the far right is gaining power around the globe
>>152058688As Britain today is in the grip of fascism, yes.
>>152058688A man obsessed with fish rape isn't in any position to question the maturity of anyone else.
What was the last decent thing he honestly wrote? Because he's been riding that Watchmen and V for Vendetta shit for ages.
>>152063705It is
>>152063813League Vol 2
>>152058897Kinda but not really.Fascist arose by making up a past against the modernity narrative, but the made up past was more fake and manufactured than whatever past western europe actually had. Despite their propaganda they were a cultural force of change.Bolshevik communism wasn't to blame for breaking the culture, but the regular market forces of that time, of course the fascist were selling themselves as the alternative to communism so of course they blame the societal ills on them.
>>152063813Providence (2015 - 2017)
>>152063551Make me, sperg
>>152062753>You are saying that from the comfort of the future and after the fact that information came to light.NTA but I don't hold Moore responsible for, as a comics writer, not being a political visionary. But he never stopped acting like a political pundit, he constantly gives interviews to journalists that will obviously only nod to his takes. During second to last UK elections he went worldwide viral by claiming that Tory victory would be the end of democracy. Labor won next elections. Has Moore recognized being wrong, or is he cynically aware that he can get away with spreading any bullshit because there always will be some immature audience that keeps taking him seriously?
>>152063624>Nobody is arguing to take over the means or production or erasing the social classes. Literally the current mayor of NY>Meanwhile the far right is gaining power around the globeAnd by the far right you mean "doesn't want millions of people to illegally cross borders of their nation", because this is far right to a left wing extremist like you
The older I get the more I think I dislike the British.
>>152064097Wrong, namefag
>>152064296You're realizing you have daddy issues.
>>152058688I think leftists are a lot like protestants in that they have a deep, innate hatred of fun.
>>152064458Moore likes fun, but he hates slop. /co/ likes sloppy fun, so /co/ hates Moore.
>>152064601I'd believe that if Moore didn't make plenty of sloppy fun himself and wasn't a fanboy of the Silver Age, which is probably the definition of it as far as cape comic fans are concerned.
>>152058688man reading the thumbnail i thought this was going to be a partially possibly interesting thread about the concept of infantalisation from modern content in general but it had to completely divert it straight to politics in the last word. damn. better luck next time.
>>152064708That's kind of the thing, most articles that talk about modern media or pop culture are just using it as a political potshot rather than actually delving into the more unique psychological effects of modern media's effects on the mind and psyche.Not that we haven't gotten this shit for generations like when Plato said reading would be the death of intellectual pursuit.
>>152058688Right about the first half wrong about the second half.
he just says controversial things to get attention from time to time>hey guys! I worship glycon, an old snake god you've never heard of!>hey guys! I have funny pronouns now!>hey, you're a stinky doodoohead baby hahaha!it's actually pretty pathetic
>>152063624>Communism is pretty much dead.As long as there’s envy in people’s hearts, there will always be some kind of communism being pushed.
>>152058965>>152058993Kiss
>>152062945>guy who stopped paying attention 10 years ago and thinks this is a reflection of the world
>>152064802>hey guys! I have funny pronouns now!No, that was Morrison.>hey, you're a stinky doodoohead baby hahaha!That's everyone.
>>152064833he's talking about the actual communism that killed people, not the "communism" that only exists in the minds of boomers
>>152058688No because they all became tranny-communists.Unless Moore meant generic authoritarianism when he said "Fascism".
>>152064907You know saw what you want about Morrison but he at least still comes off like he likes this stuff and seems friendly. Unless you're Mark Millar.
>>152064740Wrong in both cases
>>152063324More on this? I've seen this point before but I never found a good summary of what Adorno said. I usually blame Foucault for this shit.
>>152062375No, everyone wants it. They want it's boot to be on other people's throat.
>>152058688Nazism happened mainly because the German middle class got wrecked and traumatized after that.Specifically losing living standards, and not merely having low living standards, something directly tied to economic prosperity, is what leads to fascism. Most other things are side symptoms.
>>152058688Man I just wish the Brits didn't turn western comics into the drag they became.Discourse turned to shit by self conscious neckbeards who want to be taken seriously and have their hobby seen as mature, despite the fact normies still don't take it seriously and everything good about comics got gutted for this.
>>152058688alan moore is incapable of writing prose. see his entire writing career outside of comics
>>152063054Answer me this. Who do you think swayed more republican votes in the last several major elections? Real world Neo-Nazis, or Nigerians and Pakis in cubicle sweatshops hashing out shitposts for 12 hours a day?And the people they voted in, who has more power. Those politicians, or people larping in Nazi uniforms IRL?
>>152064287Do you really believe that bullshit? To be fair, republicans have been saying taxing the rich is communism since the 30s. Except at that time there was a real possibility of the world becoming communist so they had to make concessions. Nowadays they can do whatever they want without repercusions
>>152065323>Who do you think swayed more republican votes in the last several major elections? Real world Neo-Nazis, or Nigerians and Pakis in cubicle sweatshops hashing out shitposts for 12 hours a day?Neither, because the internet isn't the real world no matter how hard you wish it was, you sad neet
>>152058688Now that we're in 2026, I can feel vindicated that he was ALWAYS a pretentious hippy piece of shit and fags like you are giga niggers.
>>152064934DPRoK?
>>152065064Adorno was a 20th century leftist philosopher whose great goal in life was to find what was it about German society that allowed for Nazism to take root. His conclusion, for which he wrote many essays, books, and hosted many university lectures on, was that virtually everything in society was implicitly fascist.Adorno believed that many, many things lead to fascism, and that this meant the original thing was also fascist. Among his long list of grievances was that slamming the refrigerator enabled an aggressive mindset that makes genocides possible. He believed that locking the door to your house created the paranoid, xenophobic behavior that birthed the Nazis. He fucking believed antifascist movements were fascist because of their inherently antagonistic behavior. Does your house have sliding windows instead of open panes? Well, you may as well be goosestepping down main street right now according to Adorno.Adorno was enormously influential to leftist thought. His great accomplishment was putting the idea in leftists that any tangential connection to anything associated with fascism was, through an elaborate transitive property, also fascist. Have you seen online leftists get incredibly angry over "dogwhistles" which to any normal mind has no actual fascist ideology behind it? That all traces back to Adorno.
>>152065240Brits made comics good. Americans did everything in their power to undo that (with American writers like the Bendis and King; ensnaring some Brits with money like Ellis and Millar), and they won. You can thank Americans for making comics into the drag they've become.
>>152065747>why is this country drowning in debt, degradation, and degeneracy demonstrably created by a certain group of people latching on to a political ideal saying they deserve better because of who they are?>FascismNo wonder no one should take the left seriously. Not saying I agree but…
>>152065771Shut up, fat faggot
>>152058688Why does the old man who belives in magic and thinks he's a wizard feel the need to morally grandstand about how immature comic fans are?
>>152062821fucking newfag
>>152058882>So many people have their entire identities wrapped around Star Wars, Star Trek, MCU etcAnd every single one of them has either chopped his dick off or is on the verge of doing so. That population isn't the best example to illustrate a point with.
>>152065910Make me, skeltal sperg
>>152065910How did you know my cock is fat?
>>152058688Alan Moore thought the Soviet Union was gonna take over the world. He’s a retard wrong about everything.
>>152058688Can someone explain to me why fascism is a bad thing?
>>152058688The screenshot shows this article is from 2022.
>>152063324Marcuse was worse
>>152065747Post war Europe in general had an insane fascination for what would "prevent" the next reich from rising and part of that really was just this idea that there absolutely HAD to be a deeper reason than "because they got utterly fucked over after the first World War."But it was also this idea of "taming" Germany in general after the first one. Particularly citing the cultural descent of Prussian militarism.In a lot of regards they wanted Germany neutered.
>>152058688>BREAKING NEWS: Old man yells at cloud.
>>152064458And here we see yet another fanboy with the critical thinking skills of a child.
>>152067932K, faggot.
>>152065252>incapable
>>152058688I don’t know about the fascism thing and I doubt he said it exactly like that but he is very right about comics being for squabbling man children, as this thread clearly shows
>>152066056He isn’t grandstanding, he is giving his views on an interview. And like every single time another Moore interview is released, comic fanboys everywhere start immediately raging and spitting vitriol like petulant children having a tantrum, thus proving Alan Moore is right about everything he said.
>>152068003You don’t know shit, cocksucking fag
>>152068030Name 100 examples that happened
>>152065383Bottom 50% pays 3% of taxes.Have you been furious about fraud in Minneapolis, or do you don't give a fuck with what happens to tax money once your spite and envy is satisfied with it being taken from the rich?
>>152068030Was he grandstanding when he claimed that Tory victory was going to end democracy in UK? Yes or no
>>152058739/thread
>>152064708I'm not sure if he even realizes that what he means is "the general infantilization of people plays into an all-powerful huge government, literally being everyone's mommy"superhero media is, of course, the opposite of that. It gives you something you can enjoy no matter what, meaning you are not reliant on anyone for at least that one thing.
>>152068558Because all the wealth isn’t concentrated on the bottom 50%.>Durrrr fraud!!!The Pentagon has failed every single audit that’s been performed on it. Why are you bitching about that if you that concerned about fraud? Especially when Trump wants to raise defence spending to an insane 1.5 trillion dollars. We found fraud in Minneapolis, so it’s good that we’re doing something about it and prosecuting the people responsible. How the fuck does it make sense to freeze over ten billion in childcare and family assistance funds? You’re fucking over families instead of offering any solutions to a problem. A problem that stems from endless privatisation and not enough oversight.
>>152069233>supahhewo comics makes me feewl wawm and fuzzy so thewe can be nothing wong with cultuwe that wowships supahhewos
>>152069332Why are you making fun of Jonathan Ross?
>>152058688What the fuck did he mean by this?
>>152069401Obsessing over simplistic media can make you more susceptible to propaganda. If your attention is gripped by dangling keys, they can dangle those keys to lead you anywhere.By being mindlessly preoccupied with capeshit, some retard can make a lazy Moore quote bait thread and get hundreds of (You)s.
I read his interview and I can see where he's coming from. I think he felt like what we feel like when see something like this: And it should be common sense everything in media is made to make us more retarded and dumb us down. Things are getting more retarded and they want to polarize us to rage at each other and vote one way or the other blah blah blah. But fuck you I like Batman. Just dont be an insecure bitch and try not to be retarded....and we're all getting fucked by them anyways might as well enjoy some fucking Batman you old fuck.
>>152069421>By being mindlessly preoccupied with capeshit, some retard can make a lazy Moore quote bait thread and get hundreds of (You)s.Take your meds schizo. I've never seen that on 4chan. I've been too busy enjoying things like the hype for Doomsday.
>>152058688its true. super heroes are for children. perfect gateway to turn them into fascists
>>152058688>right about everythingno. he did not hit the bullseye concerning rorschachi also disagree with him about the world being rudderless. there is definitely a ruling class fucking up the planet for the rest of the organisms on this planet including most humanshe's still my favorite writer though, along with neil gaiman, mike carey and remender
>>152066191if pigs (soldiers and law enforcement) have impunity to violate anyone's rights, no one has human rights>>152065747sorry that sounds like liberal postmodern bullshit, not leftist thought. that sounds like a good criticism of adorn, but i'm not buying your diagnosis about leftist thought.
>>152066456explanation?>>152065252voice of fire was good, fuck off.
>>152067954i wouldn't call what he manages to vomit out prose so i'm right>>152069659lol>>152063324further lol
>>152058720Spbp and /thread
>>152069648>he did not hit the bullseye concerning rorschachHe did, more than most people like to claim or think. That pic is way off the mark. It's been explained many, many times. >there is definitely a ruling class fucking up the planet for the rest of the organisms on this planet including most humansFucking shit up is not the same as being in control. If anything, it seems like the opposite.
>>152058688Watchmen is the pro-fascist in a much more insidious way than Frank Miller at his worst, and Moore is too oblivious or too in denial to realize it.
>>152058688None of Moore's critiques are in good faith, in truth he's just utterly buttblasted by what he perceives as him being screwed over in the contract. He's still sore that he doesn't own the characters despite the fact he knowingly wrote them under contract for DC and they were literally not even his originally (they were the Fawcett characters). He was completely fine with comics until the legal dispute at which point he "hated them all along". He's a sore loser and a bitter anarchist (but I repeat myself)
>>152058769>He claims he never expected - even when making Watchmen - that actual adult men would get so invested in any of it, he intended it for adolescents and says he was blindsided by the media of the time writing that super hero comic books are "growing up" because he does not think they ever did.If this is true (And I'm not sure I believe it) it's the greatest act of hypocrisy and historical revisionism I've ever read. Watchmen takes itself SO seriously and clearly wants to be serious literature. I don't believe for one second he was just trying to entertain teenagers.
>>152069730You might be retarded.
>people liking my character who died trying to prevent millions being killed in a psyop to create totalitarism are the actual fascistshow people can still take this retarded boomer seriously is beyond me
>>152069700And you alone are the prose expert in the world? Everyone else is wrong? M’kay.
>>152069739>I think Watchmen is too serious for teenagers so Alan Moore is full of shit!Well now here is a hot new stupid take
>>152069747>Anon missed the point this muchIncredible. And you actually passed your English classes?
>>152069763I said Watchmen takes itself seriously, not that it's too serious for teenagers. You might want to get your eyes checked.
>>152069767not an answer
>>152069648pussy is more important that truth, good and evilhave sex incel
>>152069738He turned down owning the characters. He didn't like the friendly DC bosses backstabbing him with legalese and other trickery. You can see his disdain develop in interviews throughout the years.>FawcettYou mean Charlton? No, they're DC originals. They actually shared few cosmetic similarities with the Charlton counterparts.>>152069747>died trying to prevent millions being killed in a psyop>prevent>killed in a psyop
>>152069769If you didn’t mean them to be intrinsically connected you would be bitching about Moore being a liar when he says he intended the comic to be for teenagers, dear stupid cunt.
what kind of sad life you have to get in order to become like Moore? Being a british leftist and living long enough to suffer it?
>>152069739>Watchmen takes itself SO seriously and clearly wants to be serious literature.Utilizing a handful of literary tools and pertaining to its time does not mean it wants to be serious literature. It's basically a Silver/Bronze Age comic with motifs.
>>152069803He keeps busy. I doubt his life is any sadder than yours or mine.
>>152069803I feel like people treat Moore more seriously than he really treats himself. A lot of his stuff is goofy enough and he's been a good sport about some things (not a lot, though). I have my own problems with some of his work and opinions (mostly in League), but frankly I think people would be happier if they chilled. They've been whining about this Rorschach thing forever, and yet the actual Watchmen story is sympathetic enough to the dude that you'd think people would think twice about taking some now third or fourth hand posting about Moore's opinion of Rorschach as bluntly as they do.
>>152069828raging to j*urnalists in order to keep relevant and survive is way more sad than posting on an anime website at 3 AM
>>152069803>Being a british leftist and living long enough to suffer it?Moore's a pretentious ass but he's not a lib.
>>152069332If you're going to larp as a baby, please save it for your ageplay discord group.
>>152069845The only people raging are the “passionate” comic readers who can’t handle anyone laying out criticism for their hobby.
>>152069803You just need to be british
>>152062814>an Armenianwho?
>>152070107Fuck off, this isn’t criticism but faggotry
>>152069783Faggot
>>152069844To be fair, making a really stupid statement like "comic books lead to nazism" is pretty hard to not take as a serious condemnation. I don't think anyone disagrees that the people who take comic books as a lifestyle instead of a hobby and aren't working in the industry have a strong deal of emotional arrest, especially cape comics. But the idea that cape comics are responsible for nazis is on the same level as "vidya gaems turn people into school shooters" or "them evil hippity hop rap music turns perfect angels into evil thugs". There are far more societal factors that go into that kind of thing, and confusing symptom for cause doesn't do people genuinely trying to watch out for violent thugs any favors.That and for a guy who has a lot of opinions on cape comic shit, he doesn't seem to have reference or read any that aren't related to his childhood. I don't think he's the type to have read the works of Carl Barks, René Goscinny, or Inodoro Pereyra, so much as sniffed an underground comic, or even acknowledge all the stuff Asia shits out. I'm willing to believe I'm wrong, but his ideas of literature are pretty narrow, and his "reinterpretations" aren't really what I'd call respectful to the source material, and I don't mean LXG.
>>152069442Use capital letters, retard
>>152070377>But the idea that cape comics are responsible for nazisWork up on your reading comprehension
>>152070458"Adults who enjoy superhero media are engaging in a kind of infantilisation that can very often be a precursor to fascism" is the most wease worded way to say "Cape shit turns people into nazis". He's not fooling anyone.
>>152058688MOOOOOORE YOU FAGGOT, YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ONE OF THE GOOD WRITERS WHO GENUINELY ENJOYED SUPERHEROESunless he's talking about new stuff. I agree but I can't fully understand the fascism thing
>>152070366>>152068063>>152067953you won't do shit, bootlicking sperg>>152070357Sneed, constructive criticism is constructive, not your sperggotry.
>>152070377>I'm willing to believe I'm wrongVery wrong.>>152070473He words things that way because that's how he means them. A lot of people like to "simplify" his statements, but they always end up misinterpreting them, just like you did just now.
>>152069655>Ackshyually the guy who was described by all of his peers, contemporaries, successors, and himself as an ardent Marxist, who has influenced nearly every Western leftist school of thought, and is still regularly quoted by leftists to this day, was not a real leftist.
>>152067932>The denomination that unironically posts lists like this is not anti-fun.I am ROFLcoptering all over this thread.
>>152071479Something really needs to be understood about Moore on this. Yes, he always satirized and criticized the genre. Just look at Watchmen.You know why he started talking like this about this kinda stuff? Just look at Watchmen.You go back to his earlier years and he's always critical while holding a love of the genre. He started acting like this after DC kicked him in the teeth with the Watchmen thing. It's why he holds such a special hate for graphic novels and collected editions. Because the "collected" edition thing only started so DC could keep Watchmen in print and loophole around the original deal they made with him.
>>152071750I agree with the criticism against protestants, but considering his replies think that he's probably some sort of leftist
>>152071721Nah, I think he's wrong. And so are you.
>>152072217I know you're wrong. I've seen him speak on these things.
>>152072252Cool. His claim that this shit leads to fascism is still wrong, and so are you.
>>152072270>It can’t lead to fascism because I say so!Well cool. Moore meanwhile she it can be a precursor to fascism.
>>152072289A bright and sunny day can be a precursor to fascism. A butterfly sitting on a leaf can be a precursor to fascism. Your mother having an affair with the milkman can be a precursor to fascism.It's hogwash from an old bitter man. And you're an idiot. Simple as.
>>152072308Yes anon that’s exactly the same as influence culture has on society and people. You’re so smart and handsome.
>>152072336Idiot.
>>152072270I never agreed with that part.
>>152058688Only in so far as that indiscriminately hating every form of fun and shitting on the fans will ultimately be validated when corporate ineptitute and astroturffed pseudo-intellectual consumerism invariably force people to reject Black handicapped Lesbian girlbosses as the pinacle of pop culture's evolution.
>>152058908I find it fairly easy to determine if what I watched/read is infantile or not, but you do you. > themes, no nuances, plot contradictions, gratuitous violence, magical solutions, etc...>>152059010Yeah, we all are. Unless you can't form an opinion for some reason.
>>152058688>Adults who enjoy super hero media>Kind of Infantilisation>Precursor to Fascism what
>>152058737The thing where he had consensual sex?
>>152074583His point is trump was elected when the MCU rose in popularity. More manchildren = more black and white thinking which leads to Trump somehow. Conveniently ignoring BASH THE FASH ACAB DEATH TO JKROWLING tyles...
>>152058965This coming from the guy who loves watching fish monsters rape women.
>>152058688This may be late but this thread is obviously a Discord shit stiring op.
