The villains are farmers who are just trying to make a living without having their produce stolen and eaten on a regular basis.
>>152065091Not villains. Antagonists.
>>152065091The idea was that they were megacorps in which losing a portion of goods to the animals would just amount to a rounding error in profits
>>152065091>guns in a children's movie
>>152065091They were the most successful poultry farmers in the world and incredibly wealthy. What Mr. Fox took wasn't even a fraction of a fraction of a percent.Their own stated motivation was embarrassment at Mr. Fox making fools of them. They could have easily let it goz but instead they completely destroyed the local ecosystem for no real reason besides pride.
>>152065091They had an entire children's rhyme about what big shitheads they were, anon.
>>152066955American children watch and go "cool luger I want one"
>>152066955Scared lil zoomie?
>>152066955>guns in a children's movieIt's a Wes Anderson film, anon. He doesn't make his shit for kids.
>>152065091They deserved it, especially the manlet.
>>152066955Wasn't Fantastic Mr. Fox PG-13?
>>152065091Midget's favorite food is donuts injected with pasted goose liver. That ain't right.
>>152069295Pâté is actually really good. Savory and slightly sweet. Depending on the exact recipe a goose liver donut could be pretty nice.
>Boggis, Bunce, and Bean>one fat, one short, one lean>these horrible crooks, so different in looks>were none the less equally mean
>>152065091If you lived in bongland you would understand.British farmers are a totally different breed compared to something like American farmers. There is a very tenious public image and relationship with English and Scot farmers with the public at large as they are often intwined with what you would consider "based" issues, but in isolation, they are not as liked. No one likes the goverment using private companies to buy up rural land to make into housing and often times farmers are the most vocal about it. But the reality is that those same farmers would be equally vocal even if there was a gurantee that the housing being built on purchased land would be affordable and go to non-migrants. They are incredibly single issue and the bottom line with them is themselves, nothing else. Historically they have been big voters for the same people who have caused the housing crisis for everyone else and while everyone puts up with almost 50% inheritance tax they will throw an absolute melty over tax proposals that won't even go over 20%, all the while enjoying expensive landrovers, millions of pounds in assets and luxuries that the vast majority of the country can only dream of. All of this while they will pretend that they are salt of the earth and blue collar working class, when the reality is that they have farmhands and they themselves are incredibly upper middle class. Something they have inherited intergenerationally while everyone else descended from the farmhands their ancestors employed before the industrial revolution turned them into urban laborers.
>>152066955zoom zoom
>>152069461oh wow
>>152069461Tbh this isn't that far off from American farmers. Never forgive or forget the bastards who tried to charge for hog hunting on their premises.
>>152071179The public access land programs in my state are all but dead. Shit sucks
>>152065091After destroying his house they were just being jerks. He stole from them and they shot off his tail and destroyed his house. That seems like a fair trade for evil feudal overlords
>>152069372As the only thing you eat? He’s probably that short because he’s suffering severe malnutrition. All three of them should be unless they’re scarfing massive platters of fruits and vegetables offscreen.
>>152072230Bean is the healthiest of the 3, making it to old age without getting fat is an accomplishment, most people let themselves go and cant control their eating and sedentary lifestyle habits, and skinny people suffer from far few chronic health problems
>>152072230Boggis is fine.I can see some veggies there.
>>152069461>If you lived in bongland you would understand.Nah.What I understand is if I had a cellar full of cider I wouldn't want some crackhead fox stealing my shit.
>>152071179The biggest problem with American farmers is that they basically live on welfare in all but name with retarded subsidies (it's one of the reasons corn syrup is in fucking everything here) plus the little guys are mostly being bought out by big corporations that either turn them into feudal serfs, get rid of them completely to convert it all into factory farm bullshit, or clear the land to make way solar farm scams which is its own rabbit hole entirely.
>>152066955retard
>>152073051No, the biggest problem is the misconception of you and people like you that farming isn't primarily just big businesses. You see mom-and-pop operations in media and think that's the majority, when it isn't. When farming is subsidized in America where does that money go? Not to the mom-and-pop operations, that's for sure.
>>152065091They destroyed a forest with sentient animals living in it for some stolen chickens and cider...
>>152073082>You see mom-and-pop operations in media and think that's the majority, when it isn't.By number, small farms are the majority. By output or land area, large farms are the majority.
>>152073109Give me a break. I have 300 pennies in a jar. Jeff Bezos has less than 300 units of a billion dollars. So since my number is higher it must be worth talking about.
>>152073082It goes to both, I'm saying that as someone that actually lives near rural farmland. One of the big problems is that it does nothing but encourage the death spiral of the corporatization of it all but farmers are just as bad as boomers when it comes to social security where they'll bemoan welfare but be unable to recognize they're part of the same scam with extra steps.
>>152073044>crackhead fox>>crack head fox>>>crack fox
>>152069461This. Farmers in the UK are mostly cunts.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YnUVrQfByuc
>>152069461>>152073169Inheritance tax sounds retarded, big daddy government getting a slice of your pie just because you inherit shit from your family? Fuck outta here.
>>152073255Pretty much. There is a cut off point of around 200k before it is active, but if you are lucky enough to have parents who own a house their assets will easily be over that due to how bad the housing market is. So when they die the goverment will liquidate their house as an asset and you get 50 percent of the proceeds for the trouble of having your familys house taken away.
>>152073255You could say the same about every type of tax, maybe with the exception of property tax.
this thread is shit.
>>152073394>You could say the same about every type of taxI can and I do.>maybe with the exception of property taxwdym? That one is probably the most egregious of all. You gotta pay a forever tax on shit you own every year because reasons.
>>152073139"Majority" usually refers to a comparison of numbers, anon. Which numbers you're comparing matter. Without specifying which numbers you're talking about, your statement doesn't mean much. Mom and pop farms do exist, and they constitute the majority of farms which exist in the US. And they get subsidies for farming. There are nearly 2 million farms in the use, with a median size under 100 acres.
>>152065091As with many antagonists of this type, their actions gradually become more unreasonable and unhinged as their hubris gets the better of them. This is more so true with Bean than the others, as Boggis and Bunce were still irritated by Fox's thefts, but seem more willing to shrug it off as 'what're you gonna do/cost of doing business' and recognizing that investing a lot of time and effort and malice into this is probably going to end up making things worse in the long run.
>>152073640Let's literally argue semantics then.
>>152073649I CLARIFIED semantics. What do you want to argue about?
>>152073449Personal property exists prior to the state. You can own the clothes on your back and what you carry with you without needing anyone to recognize it. But property RIGHTS to land, buildings, livestock, etc. exist only as social constructs. You own your land and house because society recognizes your claim and will enforce it against challenges. This service is not without cost. Ye olde city builds walls and pays guards to protect from raiders, and people who do not contribute to the common defense are exiled. This manifests nowadays as property tax, the charge for having civilization recognize your claim to a part of its territory.
>>152067503*Artilery Luger
>>152073755The main problem is these taxes don't exist in a vacuum, they add up real fuckin quick and we've just been so desensitized to it most people don't realize it. We pay local and state taxes anytime we buy something or go out to eat. We pay taxes on cars when we buy them, when we register them along with various fees that come with licensing, when we fill them with gas, and then in perpetuity every year. We pay taxes when we buy our homes, gotta pay taxes on them every year along with regular reassessments that make us pay more and we also have to pay multiple taxes/fees whenever we want to renovate them. If any of your shit increases in value when you sell it you have to pay a tax specific to that. If you inherit shit you have to pay a tax on what you get then pay new taxes on any of the shit you now own. That's not even getting into the bullshit that goes into taking away the money your earn.
>>152073943Do you disagree with the principle of taxation or with specific implementations you don't like?
>>152067503I'm an adult and would like a luger, they ARE pretty cool.
>>152074215It's more so much has been added within the last century without much to show for it because spending is so grossly inefficient and corrupt so people are having to pay out the ass just to see it flushed down the toilet as the whole broken system becomes more and more unsustainable with each passing budget as the insane amount of debt rises and few people want to even recognize just how existential the issue is let alone propose to do anything about it so the can just keeps being kicked down the road until it can't be kicked anymore.
>>152065091it's incredible farmers have time to farm with all the moaning they do. get a real job from this side of the anno domini.
>>152074336>so much has been added within the last century without much to show for itInterstate highway SystemNavy more capable than the rest of the world combinedsuperpower status militarily, economically, and culturallyuse of English and US Dollar for global commercekickstarting the technologies underlying the Internetnuclear energy and weaponsrural electrification, pavement, and telecommunicationselimination of domestic food insecurityetc.There obviously IS a lot to show for it. If you want a cost-benefit analysis of taxes and expenses, you need to get into the details. Obviously there is waste, inefficiency, and corruption. Those exist in all governments through human history. Fixing things involves fixing a PARTICULAR instance of waste, inefficiency, or corruption, and then doing it again elsewhere, forever. Functional societies require ongoing maintenance. Merely throwing out the old system and replacing it will not eliminate waste, inefficiency, and corruption since all systems have those as a result of being composed of humans.And at any rate, most government spending in the US is transfer payments related to welfare programs like social security. It's not a matter of efficiency or inefficiency like using taxes to provide goods or services. It's just moving money from some people to other people.
>>152073077Regular show was 14 years ago unc.. Try posting something more recent, I'll wait
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>>152074618Speak in English
>>152074516>Interstate highway SystemBack in the 50s maybe, shit has been on a read decline>military shitwhich is good, but considering the massive amount of money the Pentagon straight up cannot account for there is plenty of fat to account for>use of English and US Dollar for global commerceThat only happened after we got rid of the gold standard which has been a disaster in slow motion>kickstarting the technologies underlying the Internetarguably would have happened regardless>nuclear energy and weaponsNuclear energy *could* be great but the amount of time and money we waste on bureaucratic bullshit to simply get a new plant started up is ridiculous and needlessly makes it less cost effective>rural electrification, pavement, and telecommunicationsAs someone that lives in a rural area I can attest how much of that supposed money is straight up wasted.>elimination of domestic food insecurityWe've replaced it with chronic obesity thanks to all the additive-laden junk we subsidize
>>152074618fantastic mr fox is not recent...
>>152075740That wasn't the question. Are there, or are there not, things to show for government spending since 1926?
>>152065800Careful, that's a distinction the average capeshit reading /co/mrade won't understand. All media must have a guy clearly in the right bersus a guy clearly in the wrong.
>>152075968It's more that a lot of what has been added has not been worth the cost or has actually been a negative in the long run.
>>152076038>what has been addedOh, so there ARE things to show for it. That means the conversation to have is about what things the government should spend money on, not that the government should not spend any money at all as a matter or principle.
>>152076372If you want to get purely semantic about it maybe, technically if you pay $500 for a $2 loaf of bread you're still getting something.
>>152065091>>152067579>>152067475To be fair the movie unlike the original book actually does call out how stealing from the farmers is wrong for Fox to do. Even if they are 'the scariest men currently living'.
>>152076728>if you pay $500 for a $2 loaf of breadIf you paid $500 for it, it's a $500 loaf of bread. That's what those words mean. Semantics is only coming up here because you're using words improperly. And so given that expensive loaf of bread, we have some questions to consider. Are there other suppliers of bread with better prices? Are there alternate foods with better prices? Does this even matter given other budget constraints? And so maybe you won't buy bread from that place again. Or maybe it's convenient and you're willing to pay a premium. Or do you think that this should instead prompt the abolition of buying goods in exchange for money as a custom?
>>152077132>If you paid $500 for it, it's a $500 loaf of breadHow would you feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast this morning?
>>152077213Hungry. Now, Mr. ESL, what do you think it means for something to cost some amount of currency?
>>152069461>upper middle classYou're not British. That's an American term.
A single fox takes a what is likely less than 10 bucks worth of product from each of them and they turn it into an issue of pride that results in demolishing an entire hill and weaponizing half the town for it. Mr. Fox started it but they escalated retardedly. Just the cost of renting an excavator alone would be more than what they lost.
>>152067270I'll give Bean this: he might be evil, greedy, prideful, and possibly the most scary man in the world, but he knows bad song writing when he hears it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umGySyIBXZA
>>152074618guns all over the fuckin place in this one zoom zoom
>>152073255>big daddy government getting a slice of your pie just because you inherit shit from your family? It only kicks in when it's vast wealth being transferred, to the point of making pseudo-monarchies made up of people that didn't earn the wealth they use to decide how others should live.
>>152073044He doesn't have a cellar full of cider. He has cellars and warehouses and more of cider. He has a cider empire so vast he isn't remotely impacted by the loss of a little, except that he has decided he will burn down the countryside rather than lose any.
>>152077321When I say paying $500 for a $2 dollar loaf of bread you completely missed the point of the analogy and got bogged down in the pointless minutia. If you want me to be more specific then fine, it would be like going to a grocery store and paying $500 for a loaf that specifically costs $2, you are paying more than what it costs to obtain it for no particular reason in this situation. You are basically throwing money away and what you get in return is not worth the price.
>>152077413>A single fox takes a what is likely less than 10 bucks worth of product from each of themAnd that's that, forever? Or would he continue to steal in the future, creating an ongoing cost that would be better to cut off sooner rather than later?
>>152074618Are you.... bragging that it's not something you see anymore?>"Nice try posting a show that was for kids in the past and allowed for said kids to use common sense. Good luck trying to find something newer that doesn't dumb itself down for me and future generations."What is this self own rebuke you're trying to use?
>>152077592>forever?Pretty sure he phrases it as a last job so more than likely. Even if it wasn't the fact that they shot his tail off was already enough to end it, they decided to keep going and tear up the countryside for him.
>>152077321NTA, but if it's cheap they're not telling me something and I'm getting screwed, and if it's expensive there's kickbacks to someone I don't like.Obviously.
>>152077614>Pretty sure he phrases it as a last job so more than likely.Did he tell the farmers that?>the fact that they shot his tail off was already enough to end it, they decided to keep going and tear up the countryside for him.And so others get the message to not steal from them.
>>152077645>Did he tell the farmers that?Unnecessary, the sensible man understands proportionality. He stole from them, they shot off his tail, the exchange is over. >And so others get the message to not steal from themWas already accomplished by wearing his tail like a necktie.
>>152077614>>152077413You're treating them as normal farmers who should use common sense but then allowing for the suspension of disbelief on the fox's part that he is a small time thief who just pulled off a minor job.You either take the farmers as exaggerations who are waging war against a threat and their response is more reasonable within those parameters or you look at what should be a normal fox who is taking an extreme amount of food for such a creature, in which case again the farmers see a serious issue they need to deal with.
>>152077729No i'm pretty clearly allowing for equal suspension of disbelief for both partiesFox stole a couple squab and a bottle of cider, they shot him.
>>152077661No, that's how you get a feud. To END a conflict, you stomp your opponent into the dirt and make it clear that any future transgressions will be dealt with at least as harshly.
>>152077772A feud implies that the fox, or the foxes' descendants, will somehow have the means to actually strike back against 3 farmers and all their hands.Its a fox. It got shot at and now will no longer return to that hen house. Another fox may later try but you just shoot that one too.
>>152077963>Another fox may later try but you just shoot that one too.And that's a recurring cost that the farmers would want to avoid.
>>152073077Using a cartoon that notoriously took advantage of its TV-PG rating feels like cheating
>>152079595https://youtu.be/RAwu30MWHH8
>>152077413petty thieves are addicts or operate on a moral code alike to prison rules where letting it slide means you're a bitch and should be extorted more.you take care of the problem and leave an example for the others like him.For fox to live emboldens other petty thieves.
>>152067564His live action films say otherwise
>>152080531>He thinks shit like Grand Budapest, Moonrise Kingdom, Life Aquatic or Rushmore are for kidsI wish I had an image of the laughing girls, but with like characters like Royal, Dimitri, Klaus and Herman.
>>152069461>They are incredibly single issue and the bottom line with them is themselves, nothing elseso they're the same as american farmersamerican farmers possibly have some of the best pr in the world
>>152065091I love that first guy's design the most
>>152065091Hannibal Lecter was just hungry
>>152078267that recurring cost is already paid for in hiring guards and feeding dogs and mending fencesthe act of tearing up a hillside just to hunt one specific fox will literally never pay itself off. Mr. Fox could've eaten a thousand squab and still not have taken as much money as they used to hire an excavator and demolitionist.>>152080503So you cut off their hands when you see them you don't burn down the slums and ghettos because of one pick pocket
>>152067270> What Mr. Fox took wasn't even a fraction of a fraction of a percent.Niggerbrained opinion.How much Fox takes is irrelevant.The poultry is not his to take.
>>152072200No.If a wild animal develops a habit of stealing livestock you kill it.Simple as.
>>152077132>If you paid $500 for it, it's a $500 loaf of breadOh god, libertarians.
>>152077382I am, middle class is used all the fucking time here what are you talking about?
>>152065091If they made the story about a badger the story would have been way funnier and make much more sense why the farmers wanted him dead so badly.
>>152065091>farmers who are just trying to make a living without having their produce stolen and eaten on a regular basis.have you read the book?the villains have dozens of men at their disposal and access to heavy digging machinery and the foxes are only stealing what they need to survivethe losses to their margins are negligible and they respond to it with overwhelming force solely to make a point
>>152080531I'm sorry to hear you feel that way. Please, help yourself to a hand grenade.
fucking gorgeous movie, this
>>152083186It’s Bill Fuckin Murray
>>152082542you fucking like that shit
>>152073255Inheritance tax is one of the main mechanisms through which the poverty gap can be closed and social mobility can be maintained.The problem is it tends to only target affect the lower and lower middle classes, and any capital above a mil is unaffected because they have access to a billion loopholes and financial constructions.
>>152083065the irl equivalent of this kind of guy breaks the law all the time with no real consequences and would gleefully shoot you in broad daylight if it translated into a 0.1% increase in quarterly profits, you really don't have to carry water for them
>>152069461>>152083716>>152073755is this a stealth pol thread
>>152083833No, it's a stealth farming thread.
Foxes kill more than they eat.
>>152084341Foxes will kill because they feel threatened, even if that threat is a dog with its literal back to it
>>152065091This film had some gorgeous colours
>>152080531This was a good scene for the kids
>>152083136>>152077321>what do you think it means for something to cost some amount of currency?
>>152083200>the foxes are only stealing what they need to surviveSo they're stealing. And the farmers want to stop that.>and they respond to it with overwhelming force solely to make a pointThat animals shouldn't make a living by stealing from them.
>>152077603kek
