Is this a Chainsaw Man reference?
Mary Jane was the jackpot, Tiger.
>>152075381I have no idea
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>>152075834My hope for 2026?Marvel dies.
>>152075902there only hope Is to bring her and Peter Back to gether. let them start a spider family.
She was the best
>>152075517Yes. But that artist who does Chainsaw Man x Spider-Man pics should make Gwen into Quanxi with Gwenclones as the lesbian devils, Jean DeWolff into Himeno, White Rabbit into Power, Deb Whitman into Kobeni, and Asa/Yoru would be Silver Sable.>>152075951As much as I would like that, Marvel is fucked any way they go because comic stores are dying and book stores will not budge on Manga being way more represented because they sell. Let's not make this an east vs. west thread. It's just a fact that western comics are not gonna eat into manga's market share anytime soon. Not unless my generation of Zoomers get into entertainment positions and magically have difficult lives that inform them of different aspects of life and firsthand experiences that are interesting. Nah man, my generation still probably has a lot of those types but none of them are going into comics. Shit is not worth it.
>>152076396The better question is why is Dylan still in Paul's world? If Paul isn't going to rape him, the little ingrate has no reason to exist.
>>152076408Within 3 years Dylan will be evil and the center of a new symbiote event, gotta keep the cash flowing, and he has no fans to bitch at his heel turn.
>>152075951I used to think but I'm slowly thinking Felicia actually the better match these days after everything.
>>152075343That's not Carlie Cooper.
>>152076833eww gross
>>152075343Why do these people always try to frame the conversation this way, she can be a character with her own life and goals, "A PERSON', while also being his best love interest. They always assume the intention of a character being the SO is to make her the Protags "property". Mary Jane has had her own life outside of Peter since her inception. Part of the Gag was her and Peter constantly missing each other, because he was spiderman and SHE HAD HER OWN SHIT GOING ON.In so far as she is a character serving a naractive, she is a spider man character, created to be a love interest. thats literally the only reason she exists.
>>152077008Failed women and "men" think like this. Normal women like it. The entire erotica space, where women go to fulfill their sexual fantasies and wants, is filled with this kind of language. Stop listening to fucking losers, oft massive hypocrites, that normal people disregard as wierdo's.>>152076685She's "bi" meaning she's full on lesbo now.
>>152076685people who say this get filtered as gullible sheep. 20 fucking years since OMD and all these retards at marvel can do is destroy Mary Jane as acharacter, and let Peter sleep with Black Cat every once in a while, giving her some tripe like "I want a relationship not a project". like where are the new love interests. 20 years and none of them stuck, pathetic.
>>152077008Eh, Marvel clearly doesn't see her as a person. Just an object to throw around.
>>152077008Because spideyfags are self centered and really don't see her as an actual character, just Peter's loyal onahole.
>>152077008MJ is not a person, fictional characters aren't people
>>152075343>best love interestNo, that would be Marcy Kane. Debra is 2nd. MJ is 3rd Black Cat takes 4th 5 Gwen
>>152077176>No, that would be Marcy Kane. >Debra is 2nd.dumbest shit I've read today and that's saying something
>>152077201Says someone who didn't read the post bridge dating adventures. Marcy was actually perfect, until the Jack of Hearts book ruined her forever, but we don't talk about that.
>>152077223If it was the same writer the whole way though, that it wasn't ruined.
>>152077176if you were ranking SOs that went hysterically bad would Debrah witman be number one? i think so. I would say OG Black Cat is higher on the list. she fucks the foreigner and then he makes fun of Petes Piece. The panel is really funny.cant find it.and then of course there is Paul. lol what a fucking mess.
>>152077249She was a stuck up bitch that was humbled and actually learned to be a better person through Peter, and then in another book became an alien and fucked off to space never to be seen again. That is text book character ruined if I've ever seen it. Hell, not even Bendis ever did something that bad. Who the fuck cares if it was the same writer?
>>152077135Right, but in the context of the narative she has a life outside of Peter, despite wanting to be apart of his. A fleshed out "person" as it were.
>>152077303Oh no, if we are talking worst end "romance", Sarah Stacy is on another level.
>>152077340That was her intended story. A haughty ayy learning from humanity.
>>152077394>That was her intended story.Bull shit.
>>152077077Her being part of spiderman's world when she's not married to him or even in his orbit makes no sense. It's like complaining that Aunt May doesn't show up in the Punisher enough.
>>152077303The Foreigner thing was silly but it was all about revenge for her. Peter fucked her over several times, including stripping her powers without telling her and she was in the middle of a fight.
>>152077445Aunt May is one of Punisher's informants.
>>152077452I liked when she started fucking Flash as revenge, only to actually fall in love with him and later he broke it off and revealed that she was shit at hiding her identity and knew almost the whole time.
>>152077486Her mask doesn't cover much of her face.
>>152076408>>152077135>>152077452>gwenschizo absolutely SEETHING just move on you polish ped
>>152077519How am I Gwenschizo for posting about Felicia?
>>152076408mean to respond with this >>152076515
>>152075343I can't imagine a curse more pervasive on my boy Peter's life than giving attention to this retarded dumb NY 9. "She's so hot though" doesn't justify it
>>152077618How many of the MJ-haters are just jeets larping as blacks and blacks themselves hating on MJ because Raimi decided to have MJ written like Ditko-era Gwen?
>>152077635>gwenschizo actually believes thisyeah just give it up already mate poland isnt commending you for this or anything
>>152077635Actually I meant to say Romita-era Gwen. Also people who can't understand the breakfast hypothetical also cannot understand when characters are written by faggots who are writing them OOC.
>>152077176>Marcy KaneThe fact that I'm replying with gif related is not a good sign
>>152077648Illiterate retard has misread my post and thought that I hate MJ when I called MJ haters blacks and jeets.Also Gwenschizo has a distinctive ESL writing style and also keeps the posts to short sentences or responses that are grammatically wrong and also heaps praise on Gwen without ever explaining why beyond hating MJ and calling her a whore. And thus he can't explain why MJ is a whore without using BND-era and Paul-era moments that are the peak of Marvel's penchant for OOC writing.
>>152077685>gwenschizo sitting here trying to deflect and act like theyre not the gwenschizoyeah nice try, come back when you dont stink like a poland predator
>>152077176Marcy Kane was never even a love interest. She was just a girl Peter worked with at ESU. I like her, and I'm mad that she got ruined for a shitty Jack of Hearts book, but she wasn't a love interest
>>152075343Lian Tang is Peter's best love interest.
>>152077677She was one of the TAs that worked alongside Peter Her subplot was that she harassed Peter because she had body image issues and needed to take them out on him He helps her feel okay with herself They have a study session or 2 and then he flakes in her and you don’t see her much after
If it is written mostly by Bill Mantlo, it is a bad love interest. Everyone is hysterical under his pen, across many different stories.
Surprised that chatfags haven't been their usual uppity selves yet
>>152077734I get that they love her because she’s unspoiled by 616 but they need to get a gripShe’s just mutant flavored diet-MJ
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>>152077008>shes her own character>but her entire relevance is based off of her relatio ship with spidermanIts like harley and joker. At best shes used as a metaphor of escapaing a abusive relationship but shes still defined by joker.
>>152078000I can't believe Peter Parker is abusive!
>>152075343Who, Paul's wife? She's married though.
>>152078000Wow you mean spider-man’s wife is important in a spider-man comic? Thats crazy. Every issue should have an interlude from a random woman across the country he doesn’t even know, for equality >>152078044This doesn’t work anymore, she dumped Paul.
>>152077734As each year passes, she is forgotten a little more. Just like how most Supermanlove interests beyond Lois, Lanna, and sometimes Lori(mostly remembered because of how weird that one was) have been lost to time.
>>152078000>shes still defined by joker.Naw. She's defined by that dumbass 2000s era-styled comedy routine where she may as well be a 'penguin of doom holds up spork' character in popular media now. Look! She's pushing random buttons in the Bat Mobile and Batman isn't happy! So funny.Except when she's defined by being lesbian with plantwoman.
>>152078077>what role does she fill>spider-mans wifeGreat so shes not her own stand alone character right?
>>152078177She’s a character, the retarded tweet reposted here was asking whether or not she was a person
>>152078000She is defined by the metaphysical envirnment of the story not the character, peter doesnt own her, peter doesnt define her, niether does the orbits they make around each other, they have always been thier own people. BUT, Thier lives are suppose to intertwine for the narrative and they progress past the point of will they wont they, over 40 years ago, MARY JANE CHOSE TO MARRY PETER PARKER, SHE CHOSE TO BE HIS WIFE. WITH HER AGENCY AND FAITH.
And in the end she chose Paul
>>152078373Its a tough pill to swallow but yes, for a number of stupid reason she did, she also chose to break up with him.
>>152078373>>152078403I dont know how much agency she had when she decided to be with Paul over Peter.
What was the point of Paul again? Spawn controversy to get the series more impressions? Why don't they just make every Marvel character cucked then? That'd do numbers.
>>152078493It was right on the heels of Spencer’s run putting Peter and MJ back together, and they used the mystery box of “what did Peter do” to try and hype their breaking up a little more. There aren’t that many couples they could break up and cuck, The Fantastic Four are off limits, Jean Grey is in space and they just got done retconning her throuple, pretty sure the rest of their characters are essentially in a blender, dating whoever whenever
>>152078589>dating whoever wheneverFuckin sluts
>>152078619A dangerous mix of official waifu wars and needing to keep characters unmarried for some reason.
>>152078493apparently marvel isnt doing numbers
>>152078589why was FF4 off limits but not MJ and Pete
>>152078917Only marriage from the 20th century that is still around. It would be bad optics if they also divorced.
>>152078917Reed is older, in his oldest comics he even fought in WW2. He doesn’t fit the teen to young adult fantasy they try to push with Peter and the rest.
>>152078917They're going to use that "peter is young" argument again when the book outgrew that a long time ago and was regressed back to it. Apparently progressive political views are ok except for corporate characters who could serve as a role model for kids and provide the perspective of an adult for kids to learn from. They want Spider-Man to appeal to adults, teens, and kids. That could be done but they don't have talent enough to do that in only 20 pages.So yeah make the book easier to write by having love interests meant to be cheated on or misunderstood so the writer can manufacture cheap drama. Rinse and repeat."Spider-Man totally wasn't about coming of age and progression guys" Yeah right. "That feeling of teenage peter going through the same problems as me totally can't be felt when reading the 60's books or Ult. That feeling of Peter as a 20-something balancing life problems is totally not boring."What kid wants to see that shit stretched over countless issues? What man wants to see that formula again? Then they say you outgrew it and to stop being mad. Except they can't even get Stern's ideas down even once. They can't even replicate what they want.
>>152075343I like her but I'd also like to see Peter and Yuri's spider kids or Pete and Black cat
>>152075343She still not a character, just a whore an object of men's desires, peter, paul whatever. She's no Lois Lane
>>152077008I see her as a sex object faggot.
>>152079211>>152079235Please, let us know which Spider-Man comics you’ve read to get that impression
>>152079049so they want continuity with no character progression. chip z was on sals podcast recently: stated DC has no/seperate continuitys and Marvel has to much continuity. Difficult to manage.
>>152079413Yeah that is why COIE was a good idea. Just wipe the slate clean. Sure COIE isn't the best example as you now had to know that Earth 2 exists and there are all these older versions of characters but at the same time, it is simple to accept. Marvel has weird hypocrisy when it comes to thumbing their noses at DC when they have ripped off the Batfam and other things. The distinguished competition actually had a good idea.
>>152077685It's gwenschizo falseflagging, m8. You can tell by it being unable to capitalize words and sounding like a skinwalker trying to emulate human speech.
gwenschizo i'm not even gonna give you the satisfaction of a proper (You) just know that (You) are such a stupid loser and poland isnt ever going to be proud of you for being a pedophile kelownaclown, cmon now dude. you're just a polish ESL predator its pathetic! OMD is canon and always will be bro
>>152079885>gwenschizo is still trying to make other people think that they're not the gwenschizolollmao, even, refer to my previous post
>>152079695Marvel has an out with OMD. like maybe mephisto had to create another timeline, so we are actually in 616b or something. Just revert back to the end of civil war.Or revert back to when aunt may dies, 400. with out the clone saga.
Your falseflags are not fooling anybody, fag.You're nowhere near as smart as you think you are.
>gwenschizo thinks that if he keeps posting about the new word he learned itll convince everyone that he's not the gwenschizolol
You will never be successful at your falseflags, polish faggot.Everybody can see you for what you are.You can't even change up your speech patterns because you're too fucking dumb to do it, kek.
>muh speech patterns>muh falseflagsyeah (You)'re not the gwenschizo at all lol
Lmao, he's mad.
>gwenschizo has nothing else to saylol
Here's my urine in your mouth, gwenschizo.Enjoy it, you've earned it.
>gwenschizo is already acting gaysigh
>polish retard thinks an act of disrespect and humiliation is sexualLmao. I guess years of getting dunked on helped you develop a fetish for it, kek.
>gwenschizo is making excuses for being gaysigh
>look mom, I'm trying to derail the thread by accusing random anons of being meFucking pathetic loser, lmfao.And faggotry is all on you.
>guys im not the gwenschizo please believe meyeah sure we all believe (You) just keep it up
>weYour whore mother never taught you to speak for yourself only, gwenschizo?Oh, right. You were shat out by a pig.>it's 05:33 in KrakowJesus H Christ, you really are a no-life loser, lmaooooo
>gwenschizo telling us his local time as if we carewow thanks dude keep it up we don't think (You)'re the gwenschizo whatsoever
You're only digging yourself deeper, gwenschizo.
at least this is canon and there isn't anything (You) can do about it cope and seethe, gwenschizo
Gwen Stacy pleasured every Marvel villain from Green Goblin and Purple Man (in this case completely willingly) to Terrax and Annihilus
>>152080525Even Gurth the Pounder?Holy crap, even She-Hulk couldn't handle Gurth!Gwen Stacey is a monster!
looks like the gwenschizo tuckered himself all out after telling us his time lmao
>>152075343That’s actually Chat
>>152081649If Chat was written to the standards of 2020s mutant characters, she'd be a violent terrorist that calls Peter slurs despite allegedly being in a relationship and has killed before.
>>152075343She definitely was at one point, but thanks to a series of fuck-ups at Marvel starting with Quesada she definitely isn't anymore.>>152081649This is correct.
>>152075343Paul nutted all up in that biyatch and he still ain't done.
>>152082233Paul is done
>>152082233He is extremely done. Now all that's left is a humiliation ritual before he's turned into the serial rapist, Torment, or else is one of Torment's rape victims.
>>152077303I kinda liked Deb having a nervous breakdown over Spider-Man.
>>152080525So true fellow truth-seeking patriot
sins past will be restored within the decade
>>152077770
>>152083305Aunt May? Had sex with Norman. Black Cat? Goblin'd. Peter? Him too. Everyone had Norman's children, and now they're evil. But it was just a trick from, like, let's say, Mysterio this time. And then it didn't happen because symbiotes. Or did it?Am I hired by Marvel yet?
I want MJ and Peter back together, want them to fix their relationship, it's very important to me, and I'm not a self-inserter.
>>152083993So why is important to you?
>>152083993Okay, but hear me out, what if she marries Paul and has two children with him to replace the lmao-not-real kids?What? You don't want that? Too bad, it's going to print. Then we're all gonna do lots of cocaine. Weeee
>>152084000I honestly don't completely know. I grew up with them together. I enjoy reading a happier Peter, and he doesn't seem to be happy if he's not with her. There's some kind of extra motivation he's always gotten with her as his love interest. I guess it comes down to not reading my funnybooks to be miserable. I want to see the good guy win every once in a while, and get the girl. There's enough to be sad about in the world outside of my comics. Like, if I want to experience someone cheating on their boyfriend or getting divorced, all I have to do is call two or three of my friends.
>>152078917>>why was FF4 off limits but not MJ and Petethe F4 actually weren't off limits at the time. quesadilla wanted to be controversial and break up longtime couples.They were working towards breaking up Reed and Sue next but the reaction to OMD/BND was so bad alongside the sales dropping off a cliff that they reversed course on it.
>>152075343I agree. But not the 616 version. She's been ruined by horrible writers for decades.
>>152084103Only Paul Tobin’s version is the authentic one. I hate Marvel for not letting him develop the story. The mystery surrounding her sister, and Peter and her relationship was amazing. And it was a teen book to boot. Shows good writing is not about audience age.
>>152084051Is it strange to say that while I like superhero stories (Spider-Man) I hate the soap opera aspects of it?
>>152084113the soap opera aspect was what helped make it so popular. same for a lot of early Marvel comics.if anything i'd wager you hate how its been used and less about it being an actual soap opera.
>>152084133Maybe I am just tired of relationship drama. Love and marriages meaning nothing.
>>152084133Yeah but the soap opera aspect its NO longer popular >>152082883Still he nutted all over her and Peter will get sloppy seconds
>>152084133I'd argue the soap opera aspect helped it in an era of comics that's long over. We had actual soap opera and romance comics back in the day, which are now all but nonexistent.
>>152084196Yup. Like what am I supposed to get to see Mary Jane (Peter’s true love, apparently) being in a romantic (and heavily implied sexual) relationship with other guy? Like who likes this? Kids don’t like that, adults don’t like that? Who’s it for?
>>152081197If this was made today instead of the bottom it'd cut to her leaving the hotel the next day
>>152079925that would require balls and conviction so not gonna happen
>>152084284>Who’s it for?to be fair Wells has said it was to keep editorial happy
>>152084320Did he intend for the kids to be peters. Like mj was already pregnant with twins
>>152084939No but that would've made some actual sense.
>>152075343The problem with MJ is that she was grafted onto the plot. Other Mary Jane likes, such as JO Mad Men and Vergil's girlfriend in Static, are Mary Janes done right. With actual personalities and built from the start to be the lovers of their respective male leads, they take on interesting roles. JO in particular is extremely important to Frank's character arc, and she stands out as her own character. While MJ's irregular appearances until the wedding make her character less defined. Spidey's problem is that many of the most “memorable” elements were never well written. The team never had a plan for anything, always pumping out material every month. With one thing and another being planned.
>>152084184Peter had been nutting on her for years before Paul.
>>152084184>>152085035this is why this image >>152077008 exists
>>152084036>I honestly don't completely know.You do. You just don't want to admit it.
>>152084036>I honestly don't completely know.>I want to see the good guy win and get the girlYou’re a self insert shipper so every opinion you have is irrelevant
>>152085674nutting on your favorite gal has nothing to do with misogyny
>>152085884this doesnt make him a self insert shipper. The hero struggles then overcomes, sometimes a girl is involved. Stop using your brain and KYS retard.
>>152085914cope harder fag
>>152075343actually
People are clearly struggling to cope with Paul's downfall. Until the last issue shot the idea down completely they were desperate for Flash to become Paul 2.0.
>>152077008I really don’t get what counterpoint this random Twitter faggot is trying to make here.She can be her own person/character, and still be the best love interest Peter has had.
>>152086485Thats not a cope you fucking idiot. Develope your brain before posting again.
>>152086692If anything, Marvel saw her as nothing more than Paul's +1 for ages.
>>152084284Yeah, cuckoldry isn't really that popular.>>152085844Nah. I don't really care much about Clark & Lois despite being a big Superman fan. Same with Cyclops and Jean. The only other relationship I really give a shit about in comics is Rogue & Gambit, I guess Reed & Sue.>>152085884I don't self-insert into comics. I like good storytelling.>>152085914Exactly. I like "good guy punches bad guy a lot and wins despite adversity," not "oh I'm heckin' just like Peter, if I got bit by a spider I'd have my own harem!" The only thing I'll admit is that in comics/cartoons and real life I'm attracted to redheads. If that makes me a self-inserter, okay I guess.
>>152086766Yeah, imagine defending how Marvel has treated MJ for decades because fans want them to stop with the character assassination.
>>152075343Yep, and mischaracterization won't change that fact
>>152086744cope harder and seethe more, fag
MJ is being set up to be a love interest to Black Cat. Calling it now. June is coming. She's already watched from the window Cat and another woman going at it.
>>152085674Twitter trannies opinions are meaningless just like Marvel liberal writers obsession with cuckholding their heroes is retarded and you are tranny for swallowing their propaganda
>>152075343Say why endless cucking and misery porn is a good thing for Peter actually
>>152084000Because contriving excuses for them to not be together while keeping her around because she’s popular is bad writing.
Patiently waiting for the day Peter and MJ get back together.
>>152087927reading fanfics is a healthier alternative at this point. you don't need to do the whole battered wife thing.
