At what point does it become an anime? Is Speed Racer an anime? Is Scooby Doo an anime?
>>152077153Tatsunoko was one of more stylistically interesting studios like you can point out cartoony looking stuff like the Time Bokan series, Oraa Guzura Dado, Dokachin (Which released finally), Kabatotto, Tamagon, Honey Bee Hunch, Temple-Chan, Kanta-Kun, etc, You would think Toonheads would recognize them since Saban licensed them and there were popular in Italy and Latin America but no
>japananime >not japancartoon
>>152077153You are asking "when does the car become a truck," without realizing that their connective tissue is that they are automobiles.Both cartoons and anime are animation.
>>152077153>Is Speed Racer an anime?yep>Is Scooby Doo an anime?nahit's not that hard
>>152078441>>152078621thundercats and transformers? Batman TAS?
>>152078710Not Japan, not anime. It's that simple. PSG isn't not anime just because it looks like a Western cartoon for example.
>>152078710where they made in japan or not japan?
>>152077153>Is Speed Racer an anime? Is Scooby Doo an anime?i feel like you were supposed to mention two things that blended the lines more like, is Avatar an anime? (No) Is Panty and Stocking a cartoon? (also no)but you named two of the most stark and obvious examples of where the line is clearly drawn, Speed Racer is an anime and Scooby Doo is a cartoon. If you want to really find a hot debate, is Moomin an anime or a cartoon? But it's pretty solveable if you just look at country of origin. China and Korea don't make anime. Japan makes anime. If it's made in japan, has originally japanese acting and written in japanese for a japanese audience, it's an anime.
>>152078735>>152078791>For the first 65 episodes, Warner Bros. Animation outsourced the series to several animation studios around the globe. These studios included Spectrum Animation, Sunrise, Studio Junio, and Tokyo Movie Shinsha in Japan; Dong Yang Animation, Koko Enterprises Ltd., and AKOM in South Korea; > The animation for the episodes was provided by the Japanese studio Pacific Animation Corporation, with Masaki Iizuka as production manager. >Toei co-produced the show as the main animation studio for its first two seasons, having been tasked with creating and finalizing animation models, designing transformation schemes, storyboarding some episodes, and general direction.
>>152078847outsourcing isnt the same as beingmade in japan
>>152078832>If it's made in japan, has originally japanese acting and written in japanese for a japanese audience, it's an anime.speed racer was made for a global audience and the dub aired at the same time or in some cased before the japanese version
>>152078866>speed racer was made for a global audienceby who
>>152077153>Speed Raceryes>Scooby Doono>>152078710>thundercats and transformers? Batman TAS?no>AvatarNo>Maya the BeeYes>hello kittyYes>Ulises 31Yes>Transformers No
>>152077153>>152078710>>152078847STORYBOARDS YA FUCKING FAGGOT
>>152077153>Is Scooby Doo an anime?Short answer: YesLong answer: Yes
>>152078918Make a thread on /a/ if you're so confident
>>152078874a combination of japanese and Americans>>152078899troon
>>152078918He's a Japanese-American from LA
I think it's awesome that there is a dedicated group of anons on /co/ that are adamant in dismantling the ethnic and cultural borders that separate animation in the east and west. It's very woke of you to realize that these distinctions are arbitrary and rooted in racism.
IGPX was made for ToonamiIGPX isn't /co/The second we blur the lines is the moment we go to even further shit
>>152078969They're idiotsAccepting more anime on /co/ means less for /co/'s purposeIt's bad enough we have to deal with the parasite that is Toonami threadsThere's literally no reason why anime discussion should just stay on /a/
>>152078969>east vs westnah it's japan vs the world
>>152078999*why anime discussion shouldn't just stay on /a/
>>152078847regular show was mostly outsourced by koreans but it's not a korean series
>>152078936>a combination of japanese and AmericansNigga
>>152079011this
>>152079033the english speed racer dub aired simultaneously and sometimes in advance of the japanese first run of speed racer
>>152079059So did Space DandySpace Dandy isn't /co/ outside of the trojan horse bullcrap that is ToonamiA Western cartoon that's dubbed in Japanese and aired at the same time as Western releases wouldn't be /a/
>>152079074transformers
>>152079059original script made in japanese, japanese voicing recorded before the animation, animation made to fit the japanese voicingvs dubbing
The original transformers has 3 japanese only seasons and 2 OVAs. Is transformers an anime or are only the japanese seasons anime?
>>152079102>>152079166Only the Japanese series'Same reason why they're not /co/ even though they share the same canon as the Sunbow series (kind of, it's complicated)
>>152077153Are we reay having this talk in thw year of our lord 2026?Anime is just a word for cartoon they're all cartoons and they're all animeYou usually just call anime tho if it was made in JapanSo whenever you wonder you just ask yourself "was this animated in or by japan?" And then you get your answer
>>152079216so batman TAS is an anime?
>>152079274Make a thread on /a/See what happens
>>152079288that doesn't mean anything. some boards have pocket jannies who delete anything that personally booty blasts them. like the /k/ janny fucking seethes if you argue with nafo troons or the /news/ janny is also the /lgbt/ janny and bans people for being right wing or the /vrpg/ janny bans bg3 threads for some fucking reason
>>152079274no
>>152078936>troonObsessed
>>152079274No because it was outsourcedThe writing, directing, storyboards, etc are still from Americans
>>152078858When they got to The New Batman Adventures and Superman: The Animated Series, TMS stipulated in their contract that they would handle their own direction and storyboarding. To a certain extent, their episodes actually ARE anime, and you can see it in the way the animation flows.
>>152078924They'll probably get elitist, saying that Western things aren't anime, when the Japanese call anything that's literally animation anime.>>152078947I already know
>>152077153When its original language is Japanese and it's not made in the West and it's released first in Japan>B-but styl–No. You're jerking off by hairsplitting.
>>152078918Takamoto was only authentically Japanese to the people behind shoving his family into internment camps, don't be a cunt for argument points
>>152079405troon is just the worse insult because it's like fag but worse. it's the worst insult without breaking the no racism rule, tranny
>>152079457>nd it's released first in Japanspeed racer was released in the US before it was released in japan by like a week or 10 days or something
>>152077153>Is Speed Racer an animeI'm going to ignore the rest of your thread because this specific one is just befuddling me. What could've possibly convinced you the answer would be anything but yes?
>>152079517No the anime deuted in Japan in April 1967America didn't get it until Summer
Toonami generals are here because the mods told the /co/ janitor that /a/ would throw a tantrum if it happened there and if /co/'s janny didn't agree to let it be here it would go to, get this, /v/ I wasn't retarded enough to think you fuckwits would believe having a containment general constituted dilution of our precious bodily fluids so I said yes.>>152079517>Your definition of a woman must account for all rounding error edge cases!
>>152079517What this weird autism lying called?
>>152079455>when the Japanese call anything that's literally animation anime.I always wonder, when things like this are said, if the person saying it is dumb or just disingenuous.In case it's the former, please become aware of the notion of "loanwords", and how they can change meaning and nuance between languages. If you, in english, called a random hot dog a kielbasa, you'd be rightfully considered a moron. A fedora is not a sombrero.
>>152079575Toonami gens should just go to /trash/
>>152079594You backpedaling
>>152078710>Batman TAS?Batman is a tomato.
>>152079632I'm not on a bike, stupid.
>>152079575Why not /tv/?
>>152079274yes isemantically speaking it is a cartoon and they're the same thingbut also mainly no because of what this anon said >>152079423
>>152079455>the Japanese call anything that's literally animation anime.Until Yamato they called animation manga along with comics. They themselves use the word anime as a loanword to mean the medium whereas we already having 'animation' use it to refer to medium+origin.
Is Cybersix an anime?>Argentinian comic >Coproduced in Canada >Animated in JapanI think that's how it went anyways
>>152079655The /tv/ janitor wouldn't approve of animation threads when /co/ and /a/ already existed. I know this as fact because I was ALSO /tv/'s janitor.
>>152077153The difference between a Western cartoon and an anime isn't in the art, the two genres have considerable overlap there. What makes the difference is the writing:>Western cartoons are written usually by Westerners for Westerners. They embody social cues understandable to Westerners which may not be understood/appreciated by Japanese.>Anime is written usually by Japanese for Japanese. They embody social cues understandable to Japanese which may not be understood/appreciated by Westerners.
>>152079700No
>>152079288In a just world the thread would turn into a Big O thread. But I'm not sure anyone even cares about if anymore outside of /m/Google sucks so bad I can't find the picture of Batman TAS where he's holding a tomato anymore and its killing me.
>>152079564>>152079573>>152079594half the episodes aired in the US before they aired in japan >>152079564they only produced the speed racer anime because some American company offered to pay part of the production cost so they could air it in the US
>>152079722Which is Big O, Panty and Stockings, Redline or Space Dandy then
>>152079737>they only produced the speed racer anime because some American company offered to pay part of the production cost so they could air it in the USCitation Needed and even if that was the case, it still wouldn't be /co/
>>152079735It would turn into the recognition Big O is initially a better Batman than our own but that the ending shit the bed then we'd see fanart of the alien from American Dad in a black 3-piece suit
>>152079724But the elevens
>>152079737anon, are you autistic
>>152079770I fucked your mom last night but it doesn't make me your dad
>>152079712>I know this as fact because I was ALSO /tv/'s janitorI hope you got a big severence fee for all your hard work.
>>152079575>>152079712>jannies postingjannies are gay
>>152079722the guy who designed scooby doo was a jap
>>152079787The day moot removed the ability to delete your own posts/threads after a certain amount of time I told him that was retarded then he kicked my ass out then permabanned my IP like a little bitchNo gold watch
>>152079784
>>152079816He was born in California and didn't speak Japanese any more than George Takei did you illiterate fuckhead
>>152079735>Google sucks so bad I can't find the picture of Batman TAS where he's holding a tomato anymore and its killing me.that's because the indian head of finance at google told the indian head at google search to make google search ass so they could serve more ads due to people needing to search multiple times
>>152079752pretty sure the toy galaxy youtube guy said it
>>152079769I don't know why but I actually loved the ending. It was the animation going digital that was the real crime of season 2.I'm also absolutely convinced Bruce Timm ships Barbera and Bruce together because he saw Big O and loved Dorothy and Roger. I dont even care to check if the times match up because I don't want to be wrong.
>>152079773one anon was arguing that it had to be made for the japanese market specifically to be anime but the speed racer anime was always intended to be shown globally
>>152079820Also the reason he did that was because trolls on /jp/ were making then deleting popular threads, claiming the board's janny was doing it. /jp/'s janny cried to moot, who as usual treated every problem like a Gordian knot. I said "we don't have feelings to hurt because we're cops, not people" which angered the mods.
>>152079838still a jap, you tranny
>>152079905>Born in a barn argumentGo back to your containment board /pol/yp
>>152079890anon I'm not going to bother replying with any argument because any time anyone is trying to, you're just autistically repeating the same things without addressing any of itplease just kill yourself
>>152079844I knew this but I didnt know it was an indian in charge. imagine owning the Mach 5 and pressing the button that put buzzsaws infront and driving down the streets of india. (With the protective glass dome button too to protect yourself from the smell.)
>>152079641https://youtu.be/w1XTXvEB4UM?si=CVxWelBLn1yld_jG
So is this a cartoon. Its 99% American CGI and based on the American version. We tall about that gay Voltron here.
>>152079921he's literally ethnically japanese, you faggot>>152079922you first, troon. your parents will use your real name when they bury you
>>152080009>your parents will use your real name when they bury you
>>152079945kek, that would be amazing. we need to fund this
>>152080004No, it's a live action film and the CGI is meant to be used as a special effect for a live action setting
>>152080009Again, what forever stumps me in posts like this, is "is this person stupid or just pretending to in order to rile people up and get his point". Surely someone reasonable would understand how stupid this is, right? That being ethnically japanese is irrelevant to this in multiple levels?
>>152080025We can set it in Canada for a tax break and there's just as many Indians there!
>>152080038>is this person stupid or just pretending to in order to rile people up and get his pointanyone who brings up troons outta nowhere is likely going to be genuinely stupid, it's actually fascinating how anyone who earnestly tries to use this website rapidly realizes that the anti-woke retards are more annoying than trannies ever could be
>>152080038>anime is made by ethnically japanese people>being ethnically japanese has nothing to so with it faggot
>>152080066post proof of toilet ownership
>>152080009Stop being a retard
>>152080066>anti-woke retards are more annoying than trannies ever could beAnyone who uses this arguement is just trying to rile people up. I can't post any of the weed comics because everyone used them all up in the new trans DC character thread so have this ancient fanart from 25 years ago.
>>152080115I need a time machine, btw. In what place did it originate in the first place?
>>152080075Anon, even if you want to go "anime means made by japanese", even if you want to pretend that means "japanese" as in ethnicity and not culture and thus that someone who happens to be born from japanese parents but was never of japanese culture counts for this (much like how I'd assume you'd retardly call usagi yojimbo a manga),the guy only designed the charactershe didn't make the showhe didn't conceptualize it, write it, storyboard it, animate it, act on ithe designed the characterswhat, is this some stupid old school "one drop" tier? If one japanese person is involved at all in the production it's anime? Is your plan to point out that this is a pretty stupid standard? Because yes, it is. It's also the standard you're bringing to the table, not anyone else
>>152080114stop being a homo
>>152080115>>152080066you can post the same image in multiple threads. they got rid of the dupe rule a while ago. it only blocks the same image in the same thread or 2 threads that both start with the same image
>>152080075>being ethnically japanese has nothing to so with itHe was trained by American art schools and nothing about his art style suggests anything else so that's correctLikewise Tatsuya Ishida's art style is 100% Western ShindoL is a New York Puerto Rican living in Tokyo but you'd have a hard time arguing he's not a mangaka
>>152080237>>152080154he was literally put in a concentration camp for being japanese you retard
>>152080253>It was legal then so it makes sense!Why were you homeschooled
>>152080141http://www.paradigm-city.com/forums/https://www.paradigm-city.com/
>>152080192>My point is so retarded I need to post an absurd comic strip analogy because surely analogy is a method of proof!
>>152080253Again, what does that have to do with anything? Even if you want to argue that means he's "japanese enough that his work immediately and inherently counts as japanese and not as american", he didn't create the show by himself! "Anime" doesn't mean "a single japanese person was involved"!
>>152080253I thought Japanese were smart hard workers why would they have problems concentrating?
>>152080290>tranny mad>>152080274I wasn't
>>152077153Speed Racer is on MeTV Toons and Digimon isn't. So Speed Racer in all means, is a cartoon.
>>152078969Yeah, like, why can't we all just get along?
>>152082546Because /co/ has everything to lose if we accept even more animeJust go to /a/ to discuss anime
>>152080290Yes
>>152077153Wait... What is this again?
My favorite bit of trivia is learning that the Speed Racer sequel "next generation" series was a completely unauthorized attempt by the merchandising company and the Japs sued over it
>>152077153Are the voices recorded in Japanese or another language first? If they original language is Japanese it's anime, if not it's a cartoon.
>>152079641he's also a louse.
>>152080075Your post was so retarded it actually made me reply when I usually just lurk. There are dozens of foreign animators working for anime studios, but that doesn’t make the works they contribute to any less anime. What matters are the studios’ established standards and production workflows. Growing up in America and not speaking a word of Japanese doesn’t magically make a show ‘anime’ just because you share ancestry with a country that has completely different animation standards.
>>152077153>At what point does it become an anime?Japan>Is Speed Racer an anime?Yes.>Is Scooby Doo an anime?No.Anime is a marketing term for corpos. Nobody would have given a shit about this if it was an actual anime.
>>152077153I thought anime was just any cartoon made in Japan. That also includes Japan made episode of Western cartoons.
"Anime" is Japanese people shortening the word "animation". In Japan Scooby Doo or Disney are called anime. It's similar to how Mexicans and Puerto Ricans refer to WWE wrestling as "lucha libre", but Americans think it only refers to wrestling in Mexico.
>>152078866I've never heard this before. The staff on the original Mach GoGoGo was entirely Japanese, and it was an adaptation of a Japanese manga that originally aired in Japan April 1967 and in America September 1967. By the time the series aired in America, it was 25 episodes deep. It was only the last four episodes that were aired about a week early in America, near as I can tell.Aside from being kind of a goofy production that changed the names of the characters, I don't see how it's significantly different from a normal anime dub. At the end of the day, Speed Racer is an anime that just happens to have a lot of cultural relevance in the United States (possibly the very first, so definitely significant in that regard), much like DBZ and Pokemon. It's definitely an anime, though, and should be discussed on /a/. I only really see the line blurring when you get to stuff like Robotech, where you can say that Western writers altered the work rather than just translating it. Even then, I'd say that's a stretch, but I could see someone on /a/ responding to a Robotech thread with "Why the hell isn't this a Macross thread?"
