>>152078367
Knull doesn't have unironic fans 'round these parts
He's like Batkek

>>152078434
I hate Batkek but the concept of a King in Black is stupid dumb fun. The idea of Eddie Brock being a watcher at the end of things gives him something to do that isn't "get his ass kicked for the 200th time". Knull himself sucks

>>152078367
Knull is based on Elric

>>152078367
>immortal
Yeah because he is the face of the company and your buddies made him immortal. Unless he means his durability, except all those times Peter jobs. Just ignore those.
>ninja, see the future
Comparing Spider-Man's agility to Knull being as powerful or more powerful than Sentry is laughable. That is a distinct weight class of hero and the void hampers him anyway. Knull just gets it free. The symbiotes are mind controlled and can only be broken by the unipower or whatever happened in KiB. Also spider-sense is so inconsistent due to writers like himself and only applicable in instances when he is able to dodge something that he can move fast enough to dodge. He can see it coming but it doesn't mean he can avoid it in time.
>infinity
Clones all died and they weren't mind controlled by him. They had their own will and souls unlike what Lowe says. The spider-verse also is not all in 616 like Gwen and Miles. Plus you had Miles job to Knull anyway.

>>152078367
Knull is quite literally the worst character ever invented.
>But Miles!
Miles is a nigger who steals everything from Peter but he didn't retroactively ruin all symbiotes ever.

>>152078558
Nah Knull you could conceivably retcon away or shove into a new continuity. Miles is actively marketed alongside a bunch of Spider-media and shoved into countless comics with Peter there. You can't simply have Bullseye gun down Miles in the street now or have The Living Tribunal erase him from existence. If you do that, everyone will have a moral outcry that you just removed a role model for blacks and want him brought back.
So now we gotta have poochie show up constantly and drag attention away fron whatever is interesting to focus on his bland personality and cast.
Granted, I think there might be less of that going on now, but the chance of that coming back is far worse than some edgy villain who has dumb lore that I can retcon to say that he actually is just a delusional alien hobo who thinks he is more important than he is.

>>152078367

Symbiotes were fine being alien goop monsters from space

I have no idea why they overcomplicated their origins so much

>>152078367
>point out shitty writing
>"uhm but there's also shitty writing over here that you didn't point out so your point is invalidated"
Why is this so common?

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>>152078758
A footnote in an existing mythology isn't something worth treating as a big deal in comic book land where power is based on how well-known they are.

>>152078367
If characters actually took the piss out of him while acknowledging he is actually dangerous would go a long way to his likeablity. Instead everyone does Dragon Ball Soifaces while he stomps all over them.

>>152078367
I managed to mostly ignore Knullshit until Cosmic Invsasion.
Holy fucking shit, I have never seen a character inclusion so clashing with an overall tone of something. You could tell he was shoehorned in because he feels so out of place, Cosmic Ghost Rider looks more natural somehow.

>>152079322
*Invasion

yes it legit made me angry when i had to see him everytime i turned on rivals

>>152078367
Haven't kept up with current Marvel but the tonal clash between
>hey this goo I picked up on Battleworld is neat!
to
>uh oh it's an alien parasite that can make more aliens
Isn't as bad as whatever the fuck Knull is. He doesn't look like a symbiote. Controlling the Void is stupid. Screams of Darksteel the Hedgheg, playground tier "MY OC IS BETTER THAN YOUR OC" design.

Also to be fair, I don't hate him, I'm apathetic

>>152078367
If Knull was a symbiote that ascended to godhood rather than the god of the symbiotes I think he'd be better liked, I love his design though, one of those things Kyle Hotz would draw

>>152078709
Bendis

>>152079322
At least you get to bully him like the dork he is suppose, honestly the Symbiote enemy type is also a pain in the ass in that game despite my overall fond feelings for Cosmic Invasion.

Jenkins is gonna retcon Knull's connection to the Void hard isn't he?

>>152081034
as he should

>>152078434
Bmwls is kino, knull is kino and you are retarded

>that celestial head that was made into knowhere
>yeah that was my new character that killed him with gorrs sword which was his first
also the ''symbiote god'' from the darkness of space being just a pale human type

Well, I don't think his design fits his role, the existing sci-fi leaning of the established symbiote lore, or the characters more closely associated with him. He looks like he'd be minor Thor villain, but he's presented like he's supposed to fit in with Cosmic Marvel
I don't think many of the stories that involve him are very good.
And I notice artists can't seem to decide if he should have a perpetual joker grin or not and it really bugs me, cause it's one of the few things informing his lacking characterization.
So no I guess don't care for the character too much.

>>152078367
There isnt a more fanfictiony character in comics than sentry.

>>152078822
Then why do they keep pushing Knull?

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>>152082568
ok sure but which character did they have beat sentry again

>>152078758
Shame Marvel hasn't done anything else with him.

It didn't help that he was introduced around the same time as The One Below All, which kind of made him seem relatively small and extinguished a lot of his intended hype.

>>152078367
Hate is a strong word. It annoys me how he's got a finger in every cosmic evil god pie and adjacent markets

>>152078367
I don't care that he's op and edgy
Why the fuck does he have a HUMAN face?
He should have a cool fucking symbiote face
stupid ass designers

>>152078367
Cates is literally brain damaged and that will never stop being funny.

>he can see the future
i dont claim to have read every single spiderman comic but im pretty sure thats not how it works

>>152078657
Miles won
Normal people love Miles Morales

>>152078367
No. He's just boring. Marvel will get bored with him and they'll make some new pizza cutter OC badguy and pull the same stupid shit to try and make people think he's a big deal before they go back to Dr. Doom or Magneto.

He's just lame, much prefer when cosmic entities and space gods look and act more alien like Kirby's Celestial.

>>152083088
Marvel will get so bored of Knull that they'll eventually retcon his involvement with the Symbiotes so that they're not tied to him anymore and give them a new backstory

>>152078558
>>152078657
Focusing on Miles is missing the forest for the trees. Miles is the face of a bigger issue, Marvel's obsession with having a Spiderman for every possible demographic. You could get rid of him but there's still a bunch of other ticks clinging to the franchise

>>152078367
yeah

why the fuck should i pay attention to some rando space knight from medieval times when i'm expecting science fiction? the klyntar are amorphous fluid beings. what the fuck were writers thinking?

he also has nothing to do with 90s venom story arcs or aesthetic

he's trash. get rid of him.

>>152078558
>>152083402
>miles is a problem
true. there are too many spider-mans. if everyone is spider-man, no one is spider-man

>>152083402
Are these Spider-Men for every possible demographic in the room with us? Or being shoved in ASM and every event every year? Or having stories hellbent on establishing a social bond with the real article that never actually happened? Where's Spider-Cripple giving people shit for trying to help her?

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>>152083521
>Or being shoved in ASM and every event every year? Or having stories hellbent on establishing a social bond with the real article that never actually happened?
Yes you dumb faggot. They literally are doing that right fucking now in Amazing Spiderman. And don't pull some faggot lawyer shit and bring up Spiderverse as some sort of gotcha.

>>152083565
Tell me, who's presented as the closest to Peter in that group and the leader? Hint: it's not the kid he took up under his web-armpits.

>And don't pull some faggot lawyer shit and bring up Spiderverse as some sort of gotcha.
What gotcha, your idiotic argument of "spider-men for every possible demographic" only holds any water at all if you account spider-verse. In fact, 616 poochies are largely uniform, being mostly women, none else of them with an agenda to matter personally to Peter artificially.

>>152083521
there are too many spider men, dipshit. the clone saga in the 90s was also bad. there is literally no need for so many spider men

>>152078367
Knull ruined Cosmic Invasion for me.

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>>152080289
Agreed a symbiote that bonded to a god and eventually parasitically ended up taking control would be cooler.

>>152083713
One boss ruined the whole game for you?

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>>152078367
>there's an infinity of Peter Parker
And I hate that.
>Okay, so the entire core foundation of this character is that he takes responsibility. Everything in his life would probably be way better if he was just a little bit more selfish, if he just took the easy way out of situations, or was willing to compromise, but his foundational element as a hero is that he once did that and learned from it to the point that he will never do so again.
>He could do anything else with his life, he has the brains and the brawn to build any kind of life for himself that he wants, but he chooses the most thankless version of being a hero at every opportunity because given his opportunities, he believes in his heart of hearts, it is his responsibility to do so.
>7 billion Spider-Verse retcons later
>But also it turns out there is a fucking Speedforce for spooder powers and also multiple levels and layers of spider god bullshit that literally reweaves the fabric of fate and reality itself to ensure that this guy is Spider-Man in every conceivable reality there is no matter what, because who the fuck needs this character to actually be who he is because he chooses to be, when he can just be a helpless puppet of eldritch forces of fate and destiny?
>Fuck it, make them the crux of existence itself, and if they dare to step out of line and not be Spooder-Man exactly as destiny demands, that just obliterates their entire universe out of existence to make sure that even if they have the audacity to have free will, they can't exercise it

>>152083952
>>Okay, so the entire core foundation of this character is that he takes responsibility. Everything in his life would probably be way better if he was just a little bit more selfish, if he just took the easy way out of situations, or was willing to compromise, but his foundational element as a hero is that he once did that and learned from it to the point that he will never do so again.
>>He could do anything else with his life, he has the brains and the brawn to build any kind of life for himself that he wants, but he chooses the most thankless version of being a hero at every opportunity because given his opportunities, he believes in his heart of hearts, it is his responsibility to do so.
So basically the moral is to be a retarded janny while Chad gets everything. Wow, thanks a lot Spider-Cuck!

>>152078367
Making the symbiotes a magic thing when they should be sci-fi is fucking lame

>>152081034
He'll only do that if he's getting the Sentry ongoing after his miniseries

>>152083051
It basically is. When he was blinded in a silver age issue his senses were heightened and he could use it like DD's radar sense and had glimpses of future events only seconds ahead. Was also pointed out to him that if he trained it he could go full precog.
But its comics where he specifically is not allowed to grow so nothing comes of it.

>>152083952
Didn't they retcon all that away as well because it was Cindy who was the true center of the web? that the burglar was supposed to cripple Peter and he'd be some nowhere tech guy for her?
Then Cindy was immediately put back into limbo because it was so dumb.

>>152078367
>Immortal Genius Ninja
I can agree with Genius Ninja, but immortal?
>See the future
He can't. He SENSE danger towards him, or anything that would endanger him like peeping toms trying to see his face.

>>152078558
Miles at least had his own universe where he was the only Spider-man. He only became a parasite after Secret Wars.

>>152084114
>He can't. He SENSE danger towards him
He

He senses violence in a large radius around him. This is how he knows there are snipers and gunmen aiming at him.

He could also pulse his spider-sense and scan areas which is something they use in the videogames but not much anymore in the comics.

>>152078367
I despise the character with ever fiber of my being.
The symbiotes didn't need a mystical, magical goddamned origin story.

>>152078367
Its a stupid idea, god of Symbiotes should be some type of giant eldritch space horror that is a sea of goo and mouths or something.

>>152078367
Knull lessens the symbiotes,
It's truly a Klyntar-tier idea and a perfect example of 'don't fix what isn't broken'

When you think about it, all western superheroes are ninjas.
>>152084206
>He could also pulse his spider-sense and scan areas which is something they use in the videogames but not much anymore in the comics.
I am not aware of this, when was this introduced?

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>>152078367
He's nothing but powerlevel faggotry

>>152084309
Holy fuck, he had detective vision before detective vision was cool. When you think about it, the first time he used the spider sense was to find the Chameleon.

>>152082738
Most aliens are pretty much human and so are plenty of cosmic beings. It's annoying but expected.

But why the FUCK is he wearing Spiderman's logo on its shape? The retroactive inheritance of Peter's silly spider logo to Venom and then to a god older than time is too silly, at least when it tries so hard for us to take it seriously.

>>152084370
>>But why the FUCK is he wearing Spiderman's logo on its shape?

It's suppose to be a Dragon I think. It's weak and I think it was a cheap attempt at separating Spidey and Venom further as separate IPs so the logo on Venom isn't a spider anymore

>>152078367

He is highly satanic because he's a DEMON

I am 100% Knull was made because Sony still has the rights for most of Spider-man's stuff like Venom so they are trying super hard to dissociate the two.

>>152084423
It's weak indeed, specially because the little 'horns' are still very obviously the fangs in a spider's cephalothorax, and they couldn't go as far as separating the head because that would ruin the blatant pandering. Frankly, the thinly veiled coverup ends looking worse than just shamelessly stealing the original.

>>152078367
Donny Cate is a hack. Fuck this guy and fuck the "people" that enjoy his work. This is why Marvel is a joke and DC are taken seriously

>>152084478
The legs are still connected to the head too, so its even more stupid imo.
It would have been more fun if the symbiote god was octopus based with strong deep sea motif. The logo then would have been an inverted spider to represent an octopus.
But noooo, muh Elric rip off, muh dragons.

>>152078367
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/knull
What were they thinking?

>>152078434
I genuinely like batkek tho

>>152083084
>Normal people love Miles Morales
Which is why his solo game and the sequel to said solo game sold gangbusters and didn't have their DLCs canceled due to low sales, right?

>>152080350
This. People forget that the only reason Knull exists in the first place was to bandage the dogshit retcon Bendis tried to pull on the symbiotes in his garbage Guardians of the Galaxy run. Knull might be an edgy rip-off of Michael Moorcock's Elric, but at least it's a step up from Bendis trying to turn symbiotes into Green Lantern hippies.

>>152084520
>so "null" means nothing, yes? wot if we as a 'k' in front of it, like a silent 'k'

>>152084533
>buh muh vidia gaemes

Subhuman.

>>152084596
>buh muh comix
Don't throw stones in glass houses. Neither are particularly high artforms.

>>152084604
>>152084596
I don't get the appeal of trolling for this long. The (you)s can't be worth keeping up with a thread for so long instead of reading more comics

>>152084686
>trolling for this long
>two posts
I can't believe zoomer ADHD brainrot has gotten so bad that two whole posts is now "long".

>>152084693
i think he's referring to shitposting about Miles even years later idk

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>>152084698
For as long as Marvel continues to push Miles, people are going to shitpost about him. People like him, people don't like him. What's not to get?
>just read more comics
That can apply to literally any occasion people get riled up about something. It doesn't mean anything on this site. People like making others mad and people like getting mad. It is what it is.

Spider-Sense shouldn't be precognition.

>>152084733
Blame Spider-Verse for that. Spider-Man works as a strictly science character

>>152084741
>Blame Spider-Verse for that.
It was precog before Spider-Verse

>>152084834
Its not precognition. Its basically the same power as the radar sense, only that it work in bursts (in modern time, I think it supposed to work all of the time in earlier comics)

>>152084894
Yeah, it was constantly active in the old comics. It was why he was constantly coming across crime.

And yes, it can/could be precog. There's that What If in a universe where he became an assassin and trained it to that level.
He was also told by Warren that he lacked actual training with his abilities which was why Kain was stronger/faster with limited precog

>>152078745
Because Cates is upset normals are realizing how shit his writing is

>>152084914
I like it being always active. It remind me of that time when Stan Lee bullshitted the Spider Sense to be the equivalent of a Spider's peripheral vision. Which means Peter is a Jumping Spider-man!
https://www.ximenanelson.com/spider-vision.html

And I don't like the precog stuff, just keep it simple and spiderish.

So what's the story? Did normies find out about Knull and started called him lame and gay?

>>152084983
>It remind me of that time when Stan Lee bullshitted the Spider Sense to be the equivalent of a Spider's peripheral vision. Which means Peter is a Jumping Spider-man!
Was that the time Flash was getting beaten by the mob and Peter could sense every punch and kick from blocks away which is how he knew where to find him?

>>152085030
I don't know about that storyline. Really, the spider sense should be treated as a sense rather than the warning that modern medias portrays it.
If I were to write the Spider-Sense, it would be something like
>"ESP type power that let Spider-man detect physical stimuli such as moving objects outside his vision. By focusing on the sense, he is able to get detect the spacial layout of his immediate environement. Its also sensible enough to detect radio frequencies at a certain range"

>>152083952
>Okay, so the entire core foundation of this character is that he takes responsibility. Everything in his life would probably be way better if he was just a little bit more selfish, if he just took the easy way out of situations, or was willing to compromise, but his foundational element as a hero is that he once did that and learned from it to the point that he will never do so again.
Not really. He still was pretty selfish after Ben's death and that's okay. He just was immature and was sometime caught in difficult situations outside his control.
He is special not because he is the "heart" or because he is a loser, he is special because he is the blueprint of all modern heroes.

>>152085012
They'd be right, he is infact lame and gay.

>>152083667
Nigger you're still missing the forest for the trees. You can rage about Miles all you want but removing him only removes the biggest parasite. The fact that you still so hyper focused on him tells me everything

>>152085377
You have failed to establish a false equivalency and Bendis taught me racism isn't wrong.

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>>152085095
>I don't know about that storyline.
Took a while but it was issue 18

>>152078367
yes, hes retarded and everything with symbiotes is at this point.

>genius
"Genius" in Marvel means fucking nothing. Everybody is a genius.
>immortal
The fuck? No seriously.
>ninja
Isn't Spider-Man fairly inept when it comes to hand-to-hand combat? Not saying he can't fight, more like he's often outclassed by those with actual training. He got his ass whooped by Captain America because "muh martial arts, muh decades of experience, muh WW2 hero wank plot armor".
>see the future
Spider-Sense is such a middling power to compare to fucking Knull, that I don't see who Cates thought he was owning with that one.

>>152085989
>>immortal
>The fuck? No seriously.
Might just be a joke but Peter has died like a hundred times and been brought back
Like the time he was raped and died and gave birth to himself
Or like 2yrs ago with 8 deaths

Peter isn't bad at H2H combat he just doesn't train nor improve himself because that's how writers want to handle it. Remember when he made his own school of martial arts? yeah, who cares on to the next contrivance.
Likely using Ninja as a catchall term for his agility, speed, dexterity and stealth

>>152086015
He probably thinks The Other still inhabits Peter, the buffoon.

>>152082609
Sure, but sentry is both "mega-op" and "secretly there before and friends with almost every major character"

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>>152086337
them

>>152078558
Knull didn’t ruin Insomniac’s Spider-Man so in my eyes he’ll never be anywhere near as terrible as Miles.

>>152083937
This would make it palatable for me.

>>152082577
It is just one guy. He should have been benched, but being referenced in a movie means he will exist forever.

I downloaded a camrip. Sorry.

>>152084323
>>152084309
>>152084206
What even is Spider sense?
Im not a Biologist but from what i understood is that Spiders have really sensitive hairs on their body that react to small wind gusts or something like that but how does it work for Spiderman?
In the Raimi movies he has super reflexes and can dodge regular hits more easily but in the comics spidersense apparently can do anything
Let hinm sense when somone is going to pull a trigger feel out others who might be dangerous to him and now scan entire rooms?

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>>152087228
In the silver age it was a do anything power

>>152078542
Did Cates actually say that though? I'm starting to get the feeling a lot of writers will just BS their inspirations just to sound a little more well-read than they actually are.

>>152078367
I have no idea who this is only that he's related to the symbiote planet and he's the reason Venom has ugly bat wings now.

>>152080265
It's been unironically over since Seperation Anxiety. Lethel Protector is fine in doses but after Carnage and Toxin there is no reason to throw more symbiotes at the audience. Like I was tired of Venom by the time Scorpion got the suit and Brock became Anti Venom. The only enjoyment I've had since then was Flash getting the suit.

>>152087291
It's not really like that. There was a Conan/Elric crossover in the 70s and Roy Thomas (creator of the avengers) penned the first comics Elric adaption.

>>152087280
I'm gonna assume Stan and/or Ditko misread what the electrostatic part of the van der waals force means and just decided that because it involves electrons, that meant they could fudge it and have him sense radio waves.
And they just added it to the senses from his clinging ability.

>>152087280
It makes sense to use it as a GPS, Sonar, and Radar. Also makes sense to warn him of danger that he isn't directly looking at. I just don't like when writers use it like X-Ray vision. I can't point to any examples but you'll know it.

>>152078367
I'm sorry Donny Cates do you have something to say? It's almost as if having this gay ass SpiderVerse is a shit idea

>>152087228
ESP. Don't think too much about it.

>>152087311
>Symbiote are vulnerable to fire.
>Symbiote gods use it
Kek

>>152087507
acrtually is some kind of yellow plasma