Why are these weapons so iconic in Transformers lore despite only being used in one episode?
>>152084826Also watch braves
What are you retarded?
>>152084826Energy weapons are super cool, I need Megatron's flail in more things.
>>152084826Because they looked cool.
>>152084853I just thought they would of made more of an impression on people if they had actually been in the movie even. Seems a weird one time thing for people to latch onto.
>>152084826The Japanese dub opening had scenes from their fight so the kids growing up on Transformers saw it every episode so when it came time to start doing G1 reissues and Masterpiece it became the thing to add onto the mix and now its just part of their characters and designs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_G-8qZrMaA&pp=ygUddHJhbnNmb3JtZXJzIGphcGFuZXNlIG9wZW5pbmc%3D
>>152084826It's been a while but I'm 100% sure they appear again in some later episodes?
>>152085088Animated gave Optimus a rocket axe. However, Megatron had a sword instead, which is more of an hommage to his first toy.Unrelated, but I fuck with animated's portrayals of the Autobots and Decepticons.
>>152084826Because flails and axes are some of the coolest weapons devisedAlso I think primes axe inspired orion pax being a blue collar guyFew weapons are used for peaceful activities and break skulls in two
>>152084826Because they keep shoving them into various action figures is why. Alot of the G1 Optimus and megs figures come with swappable parts to simulate this scene. Hell, even the recent optmius prime toy that was designed explicitly after the old 80s toy included an ax piece that could clip into his hand
>>152085141Flails aren't cool. Unpredictable momentum, possibly dangerous for the user if it swings back, slow recovery time.
>>152085069I didn't know about this, but now that I do, I'm almost 100% certain this is the real reason. Japanese figures always come with a billion little shitty accessories based off of things that barely got screen time.>>152085161I was going to say the toys too, but the only Optimus figure I had was the Gen 2 figure with a trailer, gun, thing with buttons that played sound clips and the rover. But I did notice during Beast Wars there was a big push away from guns towards giving everyone melee weapons, so I figured it was a later addition based on that one episode for the sake downplaying Optimus's gun. Because of anti-gun Karens or something.
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As an oldfag, it's because there was a relatively sparse amount of Transformers media for those first 20 or so years. Especially compared to what we have now. The comics lasted a while but the show was really only on for 3 years, then almost a whole 10 years without animated media in the US, and what other animated media there was had different characters.So much of the early fandom was just milking everything they could from those 3 US G1 seasons , the comics, BW, which is why to this day even minor elements from that media still gets attention in a way they don't for other series. Even early on.When we started getting G1 merchandise again from Takara in the 2000's, one of the first new things they added was the Energon Axe and Flail from that episode in reissues and figurines of Optimus and Megatron.>>152084859Even though it's a different blade, Optimus' Energon blades in the movies are clearly meant to visually echo the axe, down to the orange color and glow. If anything they helped popularize it even more.
>>152085184Megatron's original toy came with a sword in the JP release, I often wonder how that would fair against Optimus' axe.
>>152085313>I often wonder how that would fair against Optimus' axe.I honestly like this. An axe could be both a tool or a weapon, but a sword can only be a weapon.
>>152085342Could be a giant novelty sized letter opener.
>>152085291>But I did notice during Beast Wars there was a big push away from guns towards giving everyone melee weapons, so I figured it was a later addition based on that one episode for the sake downplaying Optimus's gun. Because of anti-gun Karens or something.That was mainly due to the aesthetic of the Transmetals being inside out, the beasts were mechanical and the robots more beastly. So in part to sell that, the robots all had melee weapons. Some of the bigger Transmetals still had guns though, like Depth Charge, Rampage, and Optimal Optimus, which weren't really used in the show. The fuzors also had some guns at the same time.Another aspect was also that most of the BW weapons were parts of the altmode and it's harder to make guns seem integrated to beast parts compared to clubs and swords
>>152085184Genuine skill issue
>>152085359That would be a knife. Unless Megatron is a sizequeen and likes his giant letters.
A thing young fans and third worlders might not know is that for a long time the 80s movie and the premiere MTMTE multiparter was really all we had as far as "readily available in VHS" G1 content went, so it's no surprise shit in those is what most G1 fans ended up latching on to.Hope you enjoy hearing SOUNDWAVE SUPERIOR til the death of the franchise.
>>152085460I hope Animated fans will take over the franchise....
>>152085300Unironically SilverJohn Cenabolt would be Dimes because it would be G1 and BW in one package
>>152085309>So much of the early fandom was just milking everything they could from those 3 US G1 seasons , the comics, BW, which is why to this day even minor elements from that media still gets attention in a way they don't for other series.That explains why one of the blind boxes i got this morning had a chase optimis from when he had the rage virus in one of the last G1 episodes
>>152085460its not a coincidence that its also the 2 things from the cartoon that got call backs in Beast Wars in an era when information was sparse.
>>152085721There's been a bunch of toys based on the Golden Lagoon episode too. Such is the power of G1 that you can make a whole collector subline based of a random out episode that the writer probably never put much thought into. Pretty much no other TF series gets thatThis extends to things like Devcon once considered a big, notable character in the fandom, or even with comic stuff like Bludgeon getting new toys because he was a notable part of the later comics. He's only in like 10 issues of the US run but you'd think he was like Galvatron big judging by how much he was hyped up in the fandom, enough to net him some later incarnations.I don't think you'd ever see any modern comic character get that treatment.
>>152085802Tarn is the closest
>>152085491I hope kiss players fans take hold even more
>>152084826>RX-78 Gundam vs Zaku in melee combat
>>152085854Gundam always seemed lame to me because there were no real robots in it, just a bunch of boring humans in mech suits
Anyone else see this crazy japanese commercial before with optimus's corpse being carried by helicopters?https://youtu.be/CoyWXqATsQU?si=QGDpQHEfPNbjjhAw
>>152085869See you just described why I find Transformers boring as shit. Proper mecha is all about the man in the machine. If the machines themselves are the men, then what's the point?
>>152085964robots look cooler than generic anime people.
>>152085964Sounds like you're just mad TF doesn't have pretty boys you can self insert as.
>>152085964Humans are boring unless they have really good personalities. Its why shit like andor or firefly suck is because its just drama with boring human characters
>>152085964This post reeks of fujofaggotry cop.
>>152084826Because half the super special rerelease of G1 toys going back to the early 00s include the axe and flail. They have been a cornerstone of the super dooper special collector's market toys for something like 20-25 years now. People who have not seen the show in decades, or cannot remember it have still seen the special 2001 release, 2005 release, 2009 release, Walmart Exclusive, BBTS exclusive, 2015 release, 40th anniversary release etc.... all include the little clear plastic axe.
>>152085309That was the way of things back in the 80s and 90s. When a toy based show was done with it's final season, it was immediately taken off the air and never seen anywhere again. Especially when the toys are off the shelves. The show is buried and never rerun anywhere at all. this is how Toonami was so novel and different back in 97, they played Thundercats, Voltron, and Robotech, when no one had seen any sign of those shows since their initial runs. Nobody ever rerun a toy commercial show before. Out of all the stuff that did make rounds on various cable channels, like Littles, Punky Brewster, Super Mario cartoons, Count Duckula, Inspector Gadget, Taz-Mania, Tiny Toons, Batman TAS, loads of old cartoons constantly floated around rerun channels but never one of the big 80s toy cartoons.
>>152086207I recall that. Beetlejuice, Muppet Babies, and Alvin and the Chipmunks were replayed a lot too. Pretty much any cartoon that was not wrapped around a toyline went through syindication and appeared on a lot of other channels. Almost every major 90s cartoon did as well like all things from Fox Kids and Kids WB. Those were floated around to a variety of cable channels after their initial runs too.But the 80s toy shows, those did not appear again until the 2000s nostalgia era.
>>152085964It does seem weird that the show about vehicles that turn into robots are all autonomous thinking robots and not piloted mechs. Seems like it would be pretty easy to turn every transformer into a mech.I wondered if that was more of an East/West thing. Since American companies kept turning the transforming robots into characters like all the Transformers and Go-Bots. While in Japan they are typically piloted mechs.
>>152086255And then we got more toys.
>>152085460That's a big factor for sure. It's also why the comics were a lot more popular in the fandom relative to how otherwise obscure they were compared to a cartoon that got far more viewers. It's sort of had a long term effect on the franchise where the comics remain a notable media component to the point they even overshadow a lot of the newer cartoons. >>152085491You're more likely to see Transformers Prime become more prominent than Animated. It feels like the main people who latched onto Animated were already existing fans.
>>152086471nta I never expected Hasbro to make better versions of the Rescue Bot toys.
>>152086401My theory has been that it was a budget saving measure. This early concept art with a driver in Prime's chest seems to hint at that. The diaclone based toys had pilot drivers because they were mecha, Hasbro in an effort to save some money might've ditched the pilots and made them full on robotsIt should be noted that Takara did try selling Diaclone in the US and Europe and didn't catch on.
>>152085460A lot of shows did that. Loads of Pilot 2 part episodes were released as a VHS for cartoons. Lots of people had the TMNT VHS in the early 90s.
>>152086544nta Couldn't you get tmnt tapes at McDonalds or something like that?
>>152086513That's unlikely, we have seen the early pitch ideas for the show both from Marvel's side and from Hasbro's internal agency, and both of them had already decided on "we will make the robots living beings".The human in Optimus' chest in that might just be him carrying a human ally inside of him to protect them.
>>152086492Back around like Botcon 2015/6 they talked about knowing how the current kids toylines were cheaper in budget, but they did that as a recourse saving measure since if anything the characters were likely to be revisited in nostalgia lines later on. That's probably a similar idea. Rescue Bots started like 16 years ago, kids who grew up with it are not the kind who might like a collector's version of the characters
>>152084826Chatarra tu abuela
>>152086471>You're more likely to see Transformers Prime become more prominent than Animated.Noooooo, not the fucking 13 agaiiin
Axe hand is really cool and the visual of fighting on the dam is also really cool.
>>152087014We just got a 13 Primes line so clearly that’s something that’s gonna stick around.
>>152086207Not fucking true. Voltron (or at least the Lion Voltron episodes; Vehicle Voltron vanished after it's one and only airing) stayed in syndication for ages, only leaving TV in 1992 after lengthy runs on WGN, Family Channel, and USA Network's Cartoon Express. Transformers had a super rare rerun only fifth season that than in a bare handful of markets after a fire destroyed Hasbro's copy of the English dub of Master Force Takara made for English speaking foreign markets; something that carried over with the equally limited market G2 rebrand of said "best of" syndication packages that ran at the same time as Sci-Fi channel running its own rerun package of Gen1 TF, which wired alongside Robotech. While Thundercats was a staple of Cartoon Network, after its first year when the channel was allowed to dig deeper into the WB vault beyond the Hannah Barbara and Looney Tunes stuff.
>>152086207>>152086255>>152087202As a BW kid, I always thought it was weird that Cartoon Network never got G1 when they aired GI Joe and had Thundercats and Voltron and robotech in the mid 90's. Transformers was the only really active franchise after the failed Voltron reboot and yet it was so hard to watch the original show. I get that Sci-Fi was airing it but that stopped by 97 and I wasn't aware of it. Thundercats became a staple of weekday Cartoon Network well into the 2000's.
>>152086207>That was the way of things back in the 80s and 90s. When a toy based show was done with it's final season, it was immediately taken off the air and never seen anywhere again. Especially when the toys are off the shelves.This isn't entirely true. MOTU's original run was from 1983-1984 and they were definitely playing it in reruns all the way to the late 80s. It might be regional though
>>152087296yeah i'm not sure why G1 didn't get a broadcast on Toonami.
>>152088144Something something ownership issues. Hasbro didn't actually own the G1 toon until 2008.
>>152086207Some of the 80s stuff did rerun in the 80s but once it hit the 90s those shows completely disappeared. Robotech is definately something nobody would even remember existed if it didnt reair on toonami.Im glad metoons is playing silverhawks because i didnt catch it on its random short rerun in the 90s on cartoon network so i literally havent seen it since 1986. When you havent seen something for almost 40 years you can easily forget it even existed.
>>152087202Voltron came on really early in the morning on the weekends here untill atleast sometime in the late 90s.
>>152087296IIRC the master tapes for G1 were in bad shape, resulting in the infamous Rhino DVD release. They ended up fixing them for the Shout Factory release, which were the basis for the airing of the show on the Hub.
>>152088425You are probably thinking of the God awful 3D Voltron revival that ran in syndication in the late 90s
>>152085125I like how Animated handled the axe because the main Autobots sans Prowl technically don't have weaponsThey're fighting with equipment (medical for Ratchet and demolition/repair for the rest) repurposed as weaponryIt's like Dead Space
