What are some cartoons that you think will survive the test of time? Not that tumblr loreshit that everyone fawns over for a month and then forgets about, I'm talking the real classics from since the 90s>pic maybe related? At least if everyone memory holes what came after
>>152089688Tom and Jerry
>complains about tumblr loreshit>posts AtLA
>>152089688Avatar will not survive the test of time. And I would argue it died immediately thanks to the Season 3 Finale. Hey everyone you got to be a LOSER LAME HIPPIE to win a world war. Turns out you need to whine like a bitch until a Giant Magical Lion Turtle shows up to resolve all your worries about killing in the middle of a World War.Avatar is badly written pussy shit. I don't see any boy who thinks Aang is a cool hero. He's a Lame O. He's cringe. He is simply outright a terrible character whose central moral damages the entire franchise. Winning a war because you bitched and whined enough until magical Deus Ex Machina? Trash.
>>152089937Wrong, retarded tranny
>>152089948You need to suck your pacifier.
>>152089688Spongebob
>>152089688>What are some cartoons that you think will survive the test of time? Definitely not pic related
>>152090281Wrong
>>152089688Xavier: Renegade Angel
>>152089948let's hear your suggestion and then we can pick it apart
>>152089688Jibber Jabber
>>152089688Avatar already failed the test. People only talk about ships, waifus and how every single avatar project after season 3 is shit. Honestly, I can't name many iconic cartoons. Batman TAS and...
>>152089688Most of the DCAU I think is basically timeless. The original run of Samurai Jack. Invader Zim is a really unique show. You already posted Avatar. I think EEnE will always maintain its status as a big name among animation fans even if the general population doesn't care much about it. If we're allowed to segment shows more, the first 9 seasons of the Simpsons and first 3 seasons of Spongebob.
>>152089688the original movie was so good that once it was put on D+ it saw a massive resurgence in popularity that resulted in new merch push and a (bad) movie. kids didn't even know it was an old movie when i work in education in 2020.so i vote that
>>152090622That only applies to this board
>>152090281It's been 20 years and audiences are *still* waiting and hoping that some continuation will capture what made the original run so memorable. They've been trying to re-capture lightning in a bottle with every attempt, but haven't managed to yet. Like it or not, ATLA is very fondly remembered by general audiences. The unbridled seething of a mongolian basket-weaving imageboard notwithstanding
>>152090670>It's been 20 years and audiences are *still* waitingso what and shit from the 80s is still getting reboots and continuations because gen x and early millennials aren't dead yet either, doesn't mean shit
>>152090535Not that anon but it should have been similar to what happened to Admiral Zhao or Ra's Al Ghul, i.e. Ozai is put on the verge of death and Aang tries to save him, but his own evil and stubborn nature makes him refuse the help and he dies.How that gets set up, I don't know yet. All I know is that it'd be a good bookend to what happened to Zhao and a metaphor for the self-destructive nature of evil. Anything would be better than Energy Bending Lion Turtle asspull
>>152089688Mr Magoo
>>152090535>>152090706Ok actually I've got it>Fight plays out the same with Aang going into avatar state and kicking Ozai's ass>Has Ozai on the ropes, except this time Ozai is hanging from a cliff >Aang tries to help him up>Ozai instead chooses to fireblast him, letting go of the cliff ledge and falling>NBD, he has magical flying fire feet>Except they sputter and down work>Ozai looks up as he's falling>Sosen's comet is just a faint star now, the comet is too far away from earth, firebending buff is gone>He falls screaming to his death>Aang makes a motion like he's about to dive and save Ozai>Instead he turns away with a sad look on his face and flies back to his friendsThere, an ending with actual consequences, moral dilemmas, and some actual weight. Pulled out of my ass in five minutes between sets of bench press.
>>152090694That's a whole lotta words to say nothing of substance, anon
>>152090706>>152090748This would make it worse. The lion turtle and energy bending is a stupid ending because it’s a deus ex machina. Killing Ozai like a Disney villain is a stupid ending because it’s generic and dodges the challenge of Aang’s uncompromising pacifism. Causing his own downfall off a cliff works, but break his spine instead of dying, and face consequences.
>>152091352>Causing his own downfall off a cliff works, but break his spine instead of dying, and face consequences.That's EXTREMELY retarded anon.An off-screen implied death is more kid friendly than watching a dude break his fucking back falling from a cliff, and also sets up the possibility of him having "somehow" survived for future IP.>Killing Ozai like a Disney villain is a stupid ending Right, because nothing Disney had done has ever withstood the test of time. Not one thing.
>>152091558This isn't even unique to disney, people have been saying they should have had Ozai pull a frieza on namek. Than anon is retarded indeed, you got the right idea
>>152089948The finale has a lot of huge writing problems, no question, but I don't think it outright kills the show. It pays out on the action HARD and that's enough for the kids. And as lame as the Lion Turtle bullshit and TEH PHENIX KANG are, it doesn't poison the well.
>>152091736>it doesn't poison the well.yea.... korra and the comics did that
>>152091783Yep. Best to never bother telling the kids about that trash in the first place.
>>152091783While true, ATLA can be enjoyed independantly of those additions
>>152091839but that's hard with the faggot creators being allowed to shit on any goodwill atla had with more sequels to push there korra did nothing wrong cope.
>>152089688Depends on what exactly you're looking for. My cousin's kids will eat up almost anything once you take the tablets away.>AtLA>BTAS>Samurai Jack>Ben 10>Magic Schoolbus>PokemonMy niece got so into Sailor Moon and Inuyasha that she started drawing some shit that looked straight of one of those old "How to draw manga" books you'd see at the scholastic book fairs. It was possibly the most soulful thing I've ever seen in my life.
>>152091558>An off-screen implied death is more kid friendly than watching a dude break his fucking back falling from a cliff, and also sets up the possibility of him having "somehow" survived for future IP.Yes the cliff thing is a stupid idea because we’ve all seen the Lion King, inserting a scene that he’s paralyzed in jail due to his own stupidity after Aang spared his life gets to the canon ending without making the cliff any stupider.
>>152091890Like I said, just don't show anything past AtLA to the kids. It's like cutting off SpongeBob after season 3. You tell them the rest is just kinda bad and they generally take your word for it.
>>152091994>Yes the cliff thing is a stupid idea because we’ve all seen the Lion KingBefore that we saw it in Snow WhiteWe also saw it afterwards in The Hunchback of Notre DameYour argument that it's "cliched" is retarded. The whole point is that the canon ending is retarded as well considering it set up the retarded comics. You are just retarded.
>>152091964>inuyashaKino taste
>>152089688King of the HillLooney Tunes/Merrie Melodies (1930-1969)Avatar: the Last Airbender Gargoyles Batman: the Animated Series Moomin (1990)Scooby-Doo Where Are You?Spider-Man: the Animated SeriesAdventure Time (original, at least first five seasons)Over the Garden WallThe Venture Bros.The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh Kim Possible RugratsEd, Edd, and EddyThe Simpsons (seasons 1-14)Family Guy (seasons 1-3)Futurama (seasons 1-4)Tom and JerryThe Flintstones Clone High (season 1)Batman Beyond
>>152090706>>152090748Personally, after reading the Bible I've learned that while one should not murder there are times when smiting the wicked is allowed. I think Aang should've tried to reach him, but after not being able to rain with him and knowing that Ozai was intent on killing him and furthering his conquest he should've begrudgingly fought him to the death showing that while he wishes they lived in a world where that would never have to happen sometimes it's the only answer. This whole never kill rule that unexpectedly popped up in American media has become a problem and started effecting the general public's ethical perceptions.
>>152091964How did your niece get into Inuyasha? No one remembers it
>>152091964Based
>>152092102>after reading the Bible I've learned that while one should not murder there are times when smiting the wicked is allowed.Man, in the bible killing is almost always allowed. It's what God wants 99% of the time.
>>152092048Western writers make so god damn many shows for girls, but not a single one speaks to girls on a primal level like Sailor Moon and Inuyasha do.
>>152089948The lion turtle solution might have been contrived by finding some way for Aang to stay true to his Airbender tradition is good. They even touched on the subject with the past Airbender avatar saying he needs to sacrifice his conscience and the traditions of his people to save the world. It's just a little too bleak though.
>>152092143Western writers don't get that girls want to see cool and handsome guys not lesbians.
>>152092194KPDH is a wake up call to these writers
>>152092118My brother was babysitting them and was throwing shit at the wall. He also showed them ReBoot and they got super into it. And it's not like they were cool, based kids to start with. My cousin is about as cultured as a brick, so all the cartoons they watched were just whatever generic baby shit was thrust at them by the streaming services. And Bluey, which isn't awful I guess.Point I'm trying to make is that the old classics were classics for a reason and even tablet kiddies will eat them up.
>>152092227>He also showed them ReBootBased indeed.
>>152092194All of them watched Sailor Moon when they were young and stuff their cartoons with references to it, but they're all too irony poisoned, too afraid, to actually make it themselves. They need to meddle with all the primal elements that make it appealing in the first place in order to prove something. I have to inform my audience's desires, not be informed by them.
>>152089688>Batman: the Animated Series>Spider-Man: the Animated Series>X-men TAS>X-men evolution>Justice League/Unlimited>Teen Titans>Ed, Edd, and Eddy>Batman Beyond>Samurai JackAll of the aforementioned imo were good from beginning to end.
>>152092368>no spectacular spider-man
>>152092368>>Samurai Jack>good from beginning to end.I mean, Genndy dropped the ball with season 5.
>>152092368EEnE kinda falls off when they start going to school
>>152092056>Spider-Man: the Animated Series will never get an official home release, and the only version available online is a horrible, smeary AI upscale from five years agoit hurts
>>152089688Invader zim, og SpongeBob, BTAS
>>152092368The only cartoon cartoon that's completely solid all throughout its original run is the Powerpuff Girls.
>>152091736> TEH PHENIX KANGWhat’s wrong with that?
>>152092387Fair>>152092395I give him a pass because he fixed it.>>152092416the school portions were weaker for sure, but not to the point that the quality dipped too far. there are some kino in there too like the valentines special
>>152092211>>152092194>>152092143So what are the elements I need to appeal to girls on a primal level? Cute guys, cute dresses, magic?
>>152092473>Powerpuff Girlsgod no, do you not remember how souless the seasons when craig left were?
>>152092387Well that ended on a cliffhanger >>152092473>implying the savino seasons weren’t terrible
>>152092498dont forget singing montages
>>152092527>singing montagesNo. Just make good music>tfw you will never be a teen watching this again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBBpD1w1RoU
>>152092498Yeah, basically. It's astonishing how many "girl" shows manage to fuck up one or all of those things.>>152092527Singing helps, but don't get tricked into going down the path of Rebecca Sugar ukelele strumming art school girl songs.
>>152089937>tries to meme arrow>posts two completely unrelated things
>>152092582>Blocked in US by VizBastards. Here's a link for fellow burgers.https://youtu.be/UjrkLNiK6jc
>>152092515I swear I want to feel sorry for Savino after the way they kicked him out of the industry but then I remember how garbage Dexter's Lab and PPG were with him in charge
>>152092679I want to go back
>>152092595Secret Tunnel and Leaves on The Vine are the most beloved songs in atla and they’re ukulele art school music
>>152092476I think its more just unnecessary.Nobody on the good guy side even has any idea he's calling himself that now until he is defeated
>>152092777The most beloved song is the avatar theme
>>152092430There's got to be a good torrent somewhere
>>152092485How? You mean the video game that's lost media now?
>>152089901Fpbp
>>152092476It's just kinda dumb and superlative. We already knew Ozai was evil and crazy. He didn't need to put on a goofy helmet and give himself a new title to tell us that.
>>152092343>I have to inform my audience's desires, not be informed by themWell, the inverse is being a slave to the audience's whims and trying to make something with the broadest possible appeal, which is also a terrible idea
>>152092777>Leaves on The Vine>ukulele art school musicOk, retardo
>>152092777One, we were talking about girl shows specifically. Two, both of those are one-offs, which helps them stand out immensely. Three, I'm not sure I'd characterize them as ukelele art school music, at least not in the same mode as Sugar style. They're both framed more as folk songs, whereas the Sugar style is more about singing your thoughts aloud. Sugar style is more closely related to Disney than what the AtLA song are doing.
>>152089688Avatar will be remembered as a failed franchise like Voltron, Thundercat, He-man and all those other cartoons that get carried by their first iterations.
>>152092898Being overly in-touch with your audience can be a bad thing, yes. Voltron's a victim of that. Still, I think it's a less common and less (immediately) deadly problem than being desperately out of touch with your audience. But we needn't operate in extremes. Know your audience and find a way to express yourself within the framework of their desires. Greatness lay in finding that balance.
>>152093021More like no one remembers the failed sequels and reboots while the original remains standing. This happens in movies all the time. Go pick a memorable 80s action movie and it probably has at least one sequel (more likely 4 or 5 sequels) and a reboot by now. Even if everything else fails, the original often still holds up.
>>152092817True
>>152089688usually only the worst of the big corporate cartoons survive, that's why we have zootopia 2, more episodes of skillsville and alma's way while gems like Steven universe and fritz the cat always have short lifespans, the media is designed so only shit and shows full of it's propaganda can survive
>>152093958>namefag>unironically saluting that SU is a gem>while complaining about propaganda Lol, lmao even
>>152089937out of all types of contrarians on the internet, atla "hating" contrarians fascinate me the most. probably the most idiotic hill you could choose to die on
