When do you stop reading Marvel? Don't be snarky. Genuinely at what points altogether or even just for specific characters do you stop reading them? Just be Disassembled happens? Before the Marvel NOW! relaunch? Is there anything else beyond these stories listed here that are actually worth reading in the modern era? Did Bendis ruin everything for you too? I really wanna have thoughts shared about this because I got no one to discuss this stuff with. But there seems to be this active disdain for just saying there should be cutoffs at all. Shockingly, comics eventually get bad by a certain era. And it's no longer worth reading them.
>>152108216I'm not a big fan of 2000s Marvel, though I liked Ennis Punisher MAX and Morrison's short-lived Marvel Boy.I've tried getting into other MAX series, more of the widescreen stuff, Cosmic Marvel, but I just don't enjoy it. I dislike everything Bendis did at Marvel, same with Ellis and Millar. The 2010s were even worse, but again, I liked My War Gone By.But really, I stopped during the 90s.
>>152108296Personally I really don't like Ennis. But at least his stuff at Marvel stayed in it's own lane. Can't be said for his DC work. I don't fully blame Millar for like Civil War being the way it is but he did go too far in some places. Ellis is a pretentious prick. Very overrated. 90s seems like the last era before the end for almost every series.
I stopped reading Marvel around about the Marvel NOW! Era but I don't really find the idea of 'stop reading everything after this year/event' super helpful. I recently got back into reading a few books. Jed Mackay's Moon Knight has mostly been pretty good. I'm enjoying the new Marvel Knights Punisher mini series. When do you stop reading? When you stop enjoying it, no? I know you want like a specific year or event to stop reading at but we're talking about different writers and different characters, changes in editorial. Best 'advice' I can give you is to just stop when you want to stop they're a company you don't owe them anything.
>>152108216I fucking hate 2000's Marvel, It's like they all stopped being heroes & became celebrities with powers.
>>152108390I want to stop when it by & large gets bad. The consensus, what little feedback there is, seems to always be by the 2000s with Disassembled. I'd rather preserve a canon of mostly good books in my mind over stuff that begins to actively tear down characters for the sake of it. It only gets worse after Marvel NOW!.>>152108393Well that's definitely true with how the original Ultimate universe came out.
>>152108216If I'm being extremely strict, I go by Original Marvel Universe's cutoff points which end around 1991/1992If I'm generous, most of my cutoff points are before Quesada takes control, with the exception of Marvel Knights Black Panther or the rest of Busiek's run on Avengers. So like Daredevil ends before Marvel Knights Daredevil begins or Spider-Man ends before the Byrne era. There are things I like about Marvel Knights and the Quesada era but rereading old comics the Quesada-run stuff feels more like an alternate universe or would be better off as an alternate universe. Like I like Morrison's X-Men but it honestly would've been better off as an AU along with Krakoa and some other stuff.
>>152108330I don't like Ennis' non-MAX Marvel stuff. But Punisher MAX and the 2010s Fury comic were enjoyable. He was better in the 90s too, at DC.
>>152108427Why 91/2?Marvel trying to be more like Image was a mistake.
>>152108495The Original Marvel Universe blog had cutoff points for various series that were published between 1989-1992. A lot of it was surprisingly convincing even if I don't agree with part of it (and it's why I said if I went extremely strict I'd use it; but the reality is I'm more flexible about what to keep compared to that guy).
>>152108527Any key points you remember?
>>152108603This has the guy's cutoff points:https://originalmarveluniverse.blogspot.com/2009/06/omu-end.htmlLike for instance X-Men ends with Claremont's final issue in 1991, Fantastic Four ends with the conclusion of Simonson's run. There are things I disagree with but get the logic of why he set cutoffs when he did, like he doesn't consider Infinity Gauntlet canon to his Original Marvel Universe setup
>>152108673He may be a bit premature but at least some of those are like the high points so not entirely unfair.
i think hickmans avengers run was a good final ending for marvel universe
Iirc doesn’t the onslaught stuff mean they went too far?I mean it seems like >>152108427, and >>152108330, >>152108393 put it really did seem like everyone just become jerks and something not like the real heroes that they were.Especially with creations like Deadpool and mentioned onslaught, WE REALLY HIT the bottom of the pit at the rest of the 90s and 2000s
>>152108216>But there seems to be this active disdain for just saying there should be cutoffs at all.I think the disdain is coming from people who like the 00s/10s stuff or people from Marvel fearful of the newer audience quickly realizing how much shit was pumped out during those decades
