You guys still enjoy this movie? I cant think of any big problems other than Gwen going to miles school for no reason and the spider-cave being retarded as a concept
>>152153100Off the top of my head, there were several problems: Trying to depict graffiti-making as something that isn't utterly abhorrent and evil, pushing BMWF relationships, pushing the laughable idea that Miles can ever be Spider-man and replace Peter, Miles having several superpowers that aren't related to spiders in addition to the regular spider powers for no reason while the alt-universe spider-men lack those same powers. It was on okay movie for what it is, mostly carried by the artstyle and the writing being acceptable instead of horrifically bad like it nowadays normally is in most superhero projects.
>>152153644honestly if it weren’t for the politics involved I’d consider the movie near-perfectThe fact that it’s so good even despite them is a testament to how talented the animation team working on it was
>>152153100Miles is fucking boring. I watch Spidey media for Peter Parker, not some diversity hire. Hell, Peter B. Parker has an even more interesting storyline than Miles in these very movies.
>>152153100I loved it when it came out, had so many allusions to spider-mythos that it made it genuinely excited to watch
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>>152153100I think it's a lot more fun when you have a few variants pf Spiderman rather than a whole universe.
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>>152153100Into is still greatAcross is way too full of himself and it character assassinates the entire Spider-Man franchise solely to prop up Miles
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>>152153100Where the fuck was this guy in the second movie?
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>>152153644>GraffitiThat's a bit Arson, Murder and Jaywalking... And brightening up uncared for areas (or artists being asked and authorised to make boring cared-for walls nice) can be a net positive. Obviously not the "Chad waz 'ere"/tagging, but Miles clearly is more artistic than that and the worst public 'tagging' he does is those itty-bitty stickers...> pushing BMWF relationships,Seriously?> pushing the laughable idea that Miles can ever be Spider-man and replace Peter,He's a spiderman (...a spiderman, and can do anything a spiderman can) and he's dealing with things that Peter can't do now. (Unless you're being a Miguelist about his part in that, there's no argument.)>. Miles having several superpowers that aren't related to spiders in addition to the regular spider powers for no reason while the alt-universe spider-men lack those same powers.General inter-reality differences aside (all those other spiderpeople with all those other gimmics), he was bitten by a mechaspider plucked across from Earth-42's reality, physically unstable outside of its normal existence. Maybe that added the couple of extra 'non-spiderman' elements to his powerset. Or maybe that's the powerset that 42-Miles would have had, if Kingpin's plans hadn't inadvertently wrenched it away to find 1610B-Miles instead.Can't stop your own headcanon being aimed wherever you like, but it's clearly not pointing anywhere near where mine is.
>>152153100The movie would have been significantly better if they cut the cast down to just Miles and Peter. The rest are just fluff and don't add anything to the movie. Gwen especially adds absolutely nothing because her whole importance ties to Peter's history which the movie doesn't want to go into
>>152155322>That's a bit Arson, Murder and Jaywalking... And brightening up uncared for areas (or artists being asked and authorised to make boring cared-for walls nice) can be a net positive. Obviously not the "Chad waz 'ere"/tagging, but Miles clearly is more artistic than that and the worst public 'tagging' he does is those itty-bitty stickers...The quality doesn't matter, if it isn't yours and you don't have permission (which they clearly didn't have) then you are scum. The reason I didn't go harder on this point is that the graffiti only comes up at the beginning and it's something that villainous character teaches Miles. Since he doesn't go back to being a vandal at the end (as far as I remember) you could argue that the movie isn't actually pro-graffiti, but it still feel like it tries to portray petty vandalism as a positive aspect of black culture.>Seriously?Which part you take issue with? It being a thing in the movie, it being a thing in the industry as a whole, or it being a problem?>He's a spiderman (...a spiderman, and can do anything a spiderman can) and he's dealing with things that Peter can't do now.My complaint about about Miles being Spider-man was more of a meta complaint about Disney pushing really hard this idea that Miles is The Spider-man just as much as Peter is, when everyone with a brain understands that Peter will always be The Spider-man. But it doesn't really make sense in-universe either since there are spider-people who aren't called Spider-man and his own universe already had a person called Spider-man, so him stealing the identity just doesn't sit right with me. So it would have made far more sense for him to make up his own spider name instead.One small nitpick that occurred to me is that his last name is Morales when it's his mother that's hispanic and his dad who is black, and no explanation is given why he (presumably) has his mother's last name. I assume it has to do with representation/feminism nonsense.
>>152155322Anon, you're trying to reason with a racist.
>>152155618This guy makes a good point. As much as I like Peni and Noir, they're kinda just there to make it a 'multiverse' movie. They're so inconsequential that they don't even show up in the sequel, because the sequel doesn't need them to be a 'multiverse' movie.
>>152155760Even if you aren't racist, you should still be able to pick up that some interracial pairings are far more common in media than others, despite said pairings being less common than others in real life. This isn't subjective, you can objectively quantify this, it's not up for debate. Even if you aren't a racist, you should be then be able to conclude that this is probably not a coincidence but rather an intentional choice. Now, as to why these choices are being made and if it's a bad thing is the only real point of contention, but trying to deny it is happening is delusional, a true ideological blindness.
>>152153100Peni is the only reason I watch it.
>>152155678> he doesn't go back to being a vandal at the endHe did, by your standards. That sticker his dad would *never* find (without climbing gear), and his end-of-film additional 'spidergang' touches to the piece started where the spider bit him.He certainly didn't stop graffiti art. He did a piece commemorating his uncle (with his father's blessing, perhaps request). But apparently that's abhorrent and evil?> him stealing the identity*So* many superhero identities have successive people beoming the 'same' supercharacter, to one degree or other. Flash, Thor, Blue Beetle, Green Lantern, Ant-Man, even Batman (and all the various Robins)... too many to list. Sometimes successive, sometimes temporary, sometimes 'permanent' but still passed /back/ to prior incumbants (might have been retired, or took up a new 'cape' identity/brand). Comic book logic positively encourages a new Spiderman to take over when an old Spiderman can't/won't continue any more.Thusly, I dispell that argument.> One small nitpick that occurred to me is that his last name is Morales when it's his mother that's hispanic and his dad who is black,His father is Jefferson Davis. Which is both a 'traditional' choice of first name (being named for a president's surname, i.e. Thomas Jefferson) and a somewhat problematic full name (the 'original' JD, no doubt christened with the same tradition in mind, became the Confederate President).I've known someone who took his wife's name on marriage, for several reasons, and also kids who took the matrilineal surnames (there's no laws to say it has to be otherwise). Second movie, Jeff is now "Jeff Morales", so why not his son already?>>152155760> Anon, you're trying to reason with a racist.Why I didn't feel a need to address that bit at length, didn't feel like hanging any bait out on that point. Yet I still got a bite on that anyway, go figure... But it's a minnow opinion, so I'm happy to throw that fish straight back.
>>152155849You're fairly likely to find some P.R./Afro-American pairup in that bit of New York, though. Maybe not every couple in the neighbourhood, but far more than (say) Cossack+Maori.It's not like every one of their neighbours is exactly the same mix (that we know of). Strictly enforced anti-miscegenation rules are (or should be) a bygone thing and out of the _many_ stories out there, it'd be strange if none of the marriages in them were anything other than same-with-same partnerings. This is one of those exceptions, by sheer chance (in-universe), just as it's sheer chance that Spiderman becomes Spiderman.
>>152156111Mmmm, Peni Parker...When's her movie coming out?
>>152156209>But apparently that's abhorrent and evil?If he didn't have the owner's permission, yes. You don't mess with other people's property without permission. This is literally something children learn at the age 4-6. I have no idea why so many people are willing to defend this petty vandalism.>*So* many superhero identities have successive people beoming the 'same' supercharacter, to one degree or other. Same thing happening in other things doesn't make it acceptable or good. You could just as well argue that plot holes are good writing in superhero comic book adaptations because they are also extremely common.>I've known someone who took his wife's name on marriage, for several reasons, and also kids who took the matrilineal surnames (there's no laws to say it has to be otherwise). Second movie, Jeff is now "Jeff Morales", so why not his son already?It's not unheard off, but it is unusual and in my opinion violates the law of conservation of detail. I wager the original logic of creating and naming Miles went something like this: "Let's make him bi-racial to tick more diversity boxes. In order to make sure people realize he's bi-racial let's make him black visually and give him latino last name. Oh and let's make the dad the black one so he can be a positive black father rolemodel since those are rare", with no consideration given as to why this man would forsake his own family name for the sake of his wife's. But I already acknowledged this was a nitpick.
