Venom #256Written by Al EwingArt by Carlos GómezThe serial killer Torment is following the path of the Death Spiral…and it’s led straight to Dylan Brock! Now the son of Venom is alone, injured and on the run…and Venom’s other child might be his only hope. But will Carnage choose to help Dylan…or kill him all over again? Because SOMEONE’S got to die…
The Amazing Spider-Man #26Written by Joe KellyArt by Ed McGuinnessSpider-Man is the LAST hero standing against Torment’s onslaught! MJ, Eddie and Dylan are in Torment’s sights. Peter can’t save them all! And Torment’s newest ally just tipped the scales in the serial killer’s favor!
The Amazing Spider-Man #27Written by Joe KellyArt by Ed McGuinnessTorment will get away with murder. Unless Spider-Man does the UNTHINKABLE…
>>152154330Oh no, not the worst venom of all time with zero personality traits beyond being an annoying fucking kid. I’d hate to see that cheap plot device get splattered across the pavement
Venom #257Written by Al EwingArt by Carlos GómezAnna Watson and May Parker are caught in the Death Spiral, and their only hope is…Flash Thompson?! Will Spider-Man and Venom save the day, or will MJ and Peter’s old wounds create a new tragedy? And where’s Carnage in all this? Even when you find out – you STILL won’t believe it!
>>152154417>It was Paul all along.I knew it.
Before Peter Parker hits the historic milestone of Amazing Spider-Man #1000 later this year, Marvel is putting the entire Spider-family through absolute chaos in Death Spiral, a sweeping crossover that barrels into April 2026. The event ignites with the one-shot Amazing Spider-Man/Venom: Death Spiral #1 in February and then tears through Amazing Spider-Man and Venom across the spring, culminating in the final four chapters this April: Amazing Spider-Man #26–27 and Venom #256–257.The crossover brings together a powerhouse creative lineup, with Amazing Spider-Man writer Joe Kelly joined by symbiote architects Al Ewing (Venom) and Charles Soule (Eddie Brock: Carnage). Their story is brought to life by an all-star trio of artists—Ed McGuinness, Carlos Gómez, and Jesús Saíz—promising a brutal, character-driven superhero drama.Do not miss AIPT’s exclusive column, Venom Unleashed, which will feature plenty of insights for the series going forward. Fresh back on Earth, Spider-Man barely has time to breathe before facing his deadliest threat yet: Carnage, who has uncovered Peter Parker’s secret identity from the mind of his latest host, Eddie Brock. As Spider-Man reluctantly teams up with Venom to stop the killer symbiote, the situation spirals even further out of control when a stunning revelation drops—Peter learns that Mary Jane is now the all-new Venom.That bombshell sends Peter, Mary Jane, and Eddie Brock straight into the sights of Torment, a terrifying new serial-killer supervillain whose connection to Spider-Man is both deeply personal and dangerously intimate. With no one truly safe, Spider-Man, Venom, and Carnage are forced into an uneasy alliance to uncover Torment’s identity and stop his expanding web of death before it claims the people they love most.
>>152154431>>152154455>new >serial killer>deeply personal, dangerously intimate Well fuck, is it Paul? I thought it was pretty clearly Muse but he’s none of those things
>>152154481Now he can be Paul: Agent of A.I.M. and become a foil to Bob, Agent of HYDRA.
>>152154455so who are the suspects? Flash, Paul, and who else?
>>152154597Presumably anyone else that appeared in ASM.
>>152154597I completely forgot about the shitty NotHush never before seen best friend who’s working with Ben at Rand Corp, I feel like he’s likely, especially since his last appearance was making an angry face at how much better BenPeter is.
>>152154626If his supervillain gimmick doesn't involve mushrooms, he failed at life.
>>152154330>>152154362>>152154382>>152154417>>152154455I have zero faith. I actually live in Queens, and Nick Lowe frequents a comic store I go to in Astoria. People have talked to him and basically he is adamant that Stan Lee had a strict Parker Luck formula, and he was going to stick to it.Peter Parker will never be happy. Peter Parker will never develop as a character. Mary Jane and Peter Parker will never get together. Black Cat and Spider-Man will never get together. Mayday will never come back.Amazing Spider-Man 1000 will be a collection of short stories focusing on the women in Parker’s life, and how he’s disappointed all of them. Going forward, Peter Parker will return to working as a freelance photographer for the Daily Bugle. Nick Lowe will go out of his way to align Spider-Man to synergize with the MCU (except for Osborn, who will still be Peter’s closest friend and ally). Zeb Wells will return for ASM #1 (previously ASM#1001)Never forget that the spider-office hates you, wants you dead, and thinks it’s funny.
>>152154667>the white tentacles are a red herring, they aren’t anti-venom, but actually mycelia Bravo Kelly
>>152154683stan lee was the one who Married MJ and Pete then got them back in the strip.after OMD. there is no way they are bringing wells back
>>152154795>>152154683although i wont be surprised when 1000 dissapoints
The only reason I buy Paul as Torment are the stronger ties to ANV, Peter and MJ like the solicits are leaning into, and the design being such a poor one and done look that I can't picture its creator ever expecting royalties. Other than that, Mr. A Brain Damaged Clone Is Impersonating My Childhood Friend Co-Worker And I Can't Tell is the logical next suspect, zero payoff or reason for him to take up so much narrative space up to now.>>152154402>Oh no, not the worst venom of all time with zero personality traits beyond being an annoying fucking kid.Come on, he's not worse than Lee or Carol.>>152154417Poor Anna left Ravencroft FOR THIS? And the muggas still haven't paid for their crimes?
>>152155178That one issue of Carol Venom is great, and as terrible as Lee was I honestly think he’s better. His douchebaggery at least could carry a series. There’s absolutely no continuity from Cates to Ram to Ewing, Dylan’s just a dumb, annoying brat
>>152154330FULFILL YOUR DESTINY PAUL! BECOME WHAT THAT PEDOPHILE GWENSCHIZO DREAMED FOR YOU, AND RAPE DYLAN BROCK! OR ELSE SEE YOUR VERY LEGS CLAIMED BY FLASH THOMPSON!
>>152154362>Written by Joe Kelly>Art by Ed McGuinnessI really wish I was reading Superman right now.
>>152155265Somehow for as long as you’ve been posting this I forgot that Dylan’s old stepdad (his biological grandfather) used to beat his ass
>>152155328>for as long as you’ve been posting thisTwo weeks. I’m getting on the bandwagon now that the Paul era is reaching its figurative climax.
>>152154330These shocker-esque gauntlets do look a little like the Jackpot device, in a way. But... the connecting cover variant of ASM #23 does have Shocker on it, so I think it's probably more likely that whoever Torment is just ends up killing Shocker and taking the gauntlets. >>152154417>Will Spider-Man and Venom save the day, or will MJ and Peter’s old wounds create a new tragedy?Feels like either the wounds are that Peter's giving MJ shit for Paul being Torment, or they're just giving us more reason for Peter and MJ to hate each other, driving her into Flash's arms or something.
>>152155366wait a minute…. Old wounds…. Torment is Mayday! Raised by the Order of the Goblin to end her own bloodline! Kinoooooooooooooo
>>152155265Paul's destiny was to be Spider-Man, but Peter the fraud stole that from him and now Peter has to be punished with an eternity of humiliation and cuckoldry.FACT: if Paul was Spider-Man, he would have succeeded every time Peter failed. Peter the fraud did not just steal from Paul, he stole from the entire universe.
>>152155445You're a special kind of retarded. And I pity you.
>>152155445I know you’re just baiting the few autistic kids who can’t pick up on your sarcasm but MJ dumped Paul. After a whole series of fucking Venom’s son clowning on him. It’s Paul Over.
>>152155488>MJ dumped PaulYes, and she'll pay for betraying the One Above All's favorite son.
Paul is the Potential Man of supervillain false leads. He's going to keep being a shifty incompetent putz forever.
>>152155522Paul has never used more than 0.000000000000000000000000000000000001% of his full power because it would destroy the entire Marvel multiverse if he did. He holds back for everyone's sakes. What a hero!
>>152155522Pretty sure he’s just going to be Dylan’s new dad. Marlel is worried about aging their heroes and here’s the son of the embodiment of the 90’s reminding everyone that they were canonically a decade and a half ago
>>152155515>>152155543Now Paul is going to become Torment… and RAPE some RESPECT into Dylan!
>>152154683so Paul is getting an apothetic ending. he is not torment.
>>152155366If they kill my guy Shocker I swear to god
>>152154330He looks like if Regent and Knull had a love child
>>152155701Shocker just got a gang, so probably just kill of them. If that means he tries to avenge them and gets slapped, or runs away in fear is unknown.
>>1521557010% chance they kill him, though they may use the severe beating he receives as an excuse to level up his powers later on
>>152155653“Apotheosis” is a final culmination or realization, and an ending is an ending. An apotheotic ending is one that is narratively satisfying and brings Paul’s arc to a final conclusion. Paul gets revealed to be a remorseless mass murderer, just like his father, becomes Torment, and then he gets himself killed just his father had.
>>152155741No, the ending of Paul's story is that he cucks every version of Peter out of existence and becomes the ruler of the multiverse with a harem of loyal and obedient MJs.
torment is tombstoneremember him? spider-mans main enemy of this run? yeah. he's back with a symbiote
>>152155805Is that even possible considering how hard he is?
>>152155805>spider-mans main enemy of this run?That's Roderick.And why would "Lonnie" care? Or go around killing people? He's more concerned with Norman and being Temu Kingpin.
>>152155838"Why would X care" describes most villains in this story to begin with. They are just there so there is someone to fight.
>>152155840Except this shmuck is being pitched as having a deeper involvement with the heroes.
>>152155825Carnage once took over the Thing, the sky is the limit with symbiotes
>>152155781Paul can’t even fuck Dylan, let alone an entire multiverse.Let me know if he manages to get Dylan during Death Spiral. Until then, we’ll all just acknowledge that Flash Thompson is the Superior Paul.
>>152155863I feel like half the solicits in All-New Venom varied between inaccurate to outright lies to make things sound important. Being someone created for the story wouldn't surprise me.
>>152155913>Flash claim’s Paul’s legs>Flash claims Paul’s powerThere’s still time Paulfags. Abandon Paul and be winners for once as you accept Flash Thompson as your new messiah.
>>152155923Oh, then what Gomez drew is probably Paul getting killed by Torment instead…
You know, i am happy that transformers and image as DC is raping marvelI wish the schizo was raped by angry decepticons like trailbreaker and given a permanent death too
don't expect dylan to ever be aged up or given the venom symbiote long term, marvel is trying to push him as their damian wayne since they've seen the most positive reception with him out of all of their younger heroes in 616, including spider-boy.
>>152155966Have they asked anyone outside the office? No one cares about Dylan.
>>152155949Megatron is going to just become possessed by the Sparks of those he eats later.
>>152155985I like Dylan because he makes Paul miserable.
So when they lean into the generational trauma thing again, they are going to give someone's father a Symbiote named Black Sabbath or Deep Purple, aren't they?
>>152156011Dylan emasculating Paul incessantly caused MJ to stop respecting Paul, causing her to break up with Paul and ruin his life.
>>152154362Should've been Carol
>>152156033Sorry, MJ is hotter and has more history!
>>152155936Paul is on permanent fraud-watch after his fanbase attempted to jump ship to Flash Thompson so shamelessly when it looked like Flash might try to get into her pants. They’re just salivating to abandon Paul in favor of cooler characters like Flash or Knull.
>>152155863>>152155923Given how quickly they're apparently moving into him killing people that Peter/MJ/Eddie know, there'd really only be a few decent realistic options, and the main suspect has to be Paul. Since Flash is saving Aunt Anna and May in one of the solicits, probably not him unless it's this "outright lie" comment.It could be someone like Robbie Robertson? That'd be a twist. Making it the guy from ASM who is a random childhood friend would be kinda lame. He doesn't have any particular ties to MJ/Eddie that we know of.
>>152156098It’s either Flash being brainwashed by Knullshit (hence the white costume) or it’s Paul. No other possibility works, and Gomez did say up front that Paul bashing was going to continue before he reaches an “apotheotic end”
>>152156033You can't be All-New if you have been Venom before, Car-Ell.
>>152154481Maybe it's Betty Brant? Goes insane when Ned dies in the current arc?
>>152156346Might work. Although Torment lacks guns.
>>152156119Dude, it's obviously Ned fucking Leeds>>Peter ruined his life by getting him brainwashed and murdered>>Betty will probably leave him after his recent abduction and near death experience >>Hates Flash for cucking him >>Can't be Hobgoblin because of Stern fags
>>152156387>I was a fake Hobgoblin and died, so I'm going to be a bad guy for real.Sounds awful.
>>152155366>whoever Torment is just ends up killing Shocker and taking the gauntlets.to be a shockerbro is to suffer
>>152156520I feel you anon, but unfortunately I think Herman is low stakes enough but popular enough to be a decent target for setting up something serious.
Torment is obviously Cletus Kasady, idiots.
>>152157965> That bombshell sends Peter, Mary Jane, and Eddie Brock straight into the sights of Torment, a terrifying new serial-killer supervillain whose connection to Spider-Man is both deeply personal and dangerously intimate.Doesn’t really sound like Cletus. He doesn’t know Peter is Spider-Man unless the carnage symbiote tells him, and going after families isn’t really his deal. Eddie’s old ass dad stayed untouched in San Francisco even with everyone else he’s killed.
>>152158003The dead body with CARNAGE RULED above it is proof enough.
>>152154330How do all the artists at Marvel not just say "I ain't drawing this shit..." and quit?Working for the Big Two isn't even as prestigious as it was or nearly as lucrative.
>>152158086Doesn’t that imply Cletus is the dead victim? He’s so strongly tied to the namecarnage that he’s used it without a symbiote, with multiple different symbiotes, and iron man’s symbiote dragon armor
>>152158093They have bills to pay. Not everybody can be Peter David.
anyone who's kept up with this run should take note of the rose thorn vines
>>152158836Plantman?
>>152158836I've read this whole run a fair amount of times, if you mean Venom. Or do you mean ASM? I haven't seen any vines in Venom. Not sure what you're getting at.
>>152158836Are you saying he’s Richard Fisk
>>152154683which is funny because he signed off on Peter graduating and marrying MJThe theme of the Lee Romita years was very much Pete growing up
>PaulBrad Meltzer could do the funniest fucking thing with the Spider-Man/Superman crossover
>>152159202I'm ignorant about anything DC. Is there an infamous similar character from that?
>>152159404>I'm ignorant about anything DC.Lurk before posting
>>152154330>Eddie no longer on the covers or talked about.He dead.
>>152155254Hi Paul.
>>152159789No.
