What does /co/ think about Captain America?
>>152159767After 2001 they should have gave him the ability to surf on his shield like Legolas
>>152159767never read the comics but he was alright in EMH and the Winter Soldier was one of the only actually good MCU films
>>152159767Good character but has zero room to grow He's propaganda no matter how you slice it
>>152159767Easily one of my fave Marvel heroes besides Hank Pym and Spider-Man. Also is my go to main in Cosmic Invasion since he plays perfectly with his shield throw alongside his charge attack doing double time as a parry just being sublime. Hoping to get through/start on the the Grunewald run this week since what I have read I really enjoyed.
>>152159767Very underrated library of stories and villains, they adapted one with its core intact and it was their best movie so Disney are cowards for not only failing to adapt more but treating them as jokesBefore its asked: Madbomb, Man Without A Country/Seeing Red, Man and Wolf (it's silly and I like it), the Cosmic Skull Saga
>>152159767Personally I hate him. I fucking HATE "good" characters. Nobody is like that, nobody wakes up and says "I want to do the right thing" like fucking Rey from Star Wars. The first thing people think of is taking a shit and eating. People are inherently selfish, self-motivated and only behave pro-socially over deep seated shame or empathy, this needs to be understood in any story or characterization. "Virtue" in reality isn't saving puppies, feeding the homeless or any of that shit, it looks like a soldier occupying an enemy's families house, thinking: "I will likely be dead tomorrow because of these people, I want to kill them, take their food and rape the women, fuck these subhumans to DEATH" and then not acting out on those desires because that last shred of humanity you have is begging you not to do it so it can tell you you're a good person. It's having to do horrible things and then cope afterwards because you really didn't have a choice and you made your decision. It's bailing your retarded whore sister out of bind that you have told her endlessly wasn't a good idea, but she is too stupid to get it and now you need to save her from herself and make enemies of bad people.Aristotle and Plato solved morality 2000 years ago and faggots like Kant and Hume have been poisoning the water since, all these tolkien fags are just assblasted christfags mad they don't control the narrative anymore. God I want the superhero genre to die.
>>152159810What character does have room for growth? They all get stuck in capeshit comics and any time they get ahead they get pruned back to basics. It's especially rough for characters like Cap and Superman who are just decent people, not edgy tryhards like Batman and Wolverine.
>>152159767Cool character idea but like >>152159810 said, he's kinda just stagnant. It says a lot when his only solo story of renowned is the Winter Soldier arc.>>152159951The moments of him questioning government authority are interesting at least.
>>152159928How sad a man must you be to truly believe in this?
>>152159972it's old pasta
>>152159767hes pretty corny. but he came from the time of Superman. Hes very patriotic. Makes me want to sing the Star Spangled Banner. He should team up with Captain Planet and save America and the environment at the same time.
>>152159966The reason people say Winter Soldier is his most renowned arc is cause it's the only one that gets adapted, they never do any of his other major or iconic storylines worth bringing to a show/movie and also some his greatest moments are in Avenger stories like Under Siege and Kang Dynasty.
>>152160003Well that's the big thing. He's so tied to the Avengers & crossover events. On his own he never shines. Cartoons aren't willing to adapt the WW2 era stuff for obvious reasons. And his villains have largely never been popular save for Red Skull.
>>152160019I'd politely disagree since I think he honestly has a great rogues gallery even besides the obvious guys like Baron Zemo or Arnim Zola though I'm really biased towards the Serpent Society, Batroc is always good fun and honestly Crossbones is kind of the perfect villain for Steve Rogers entering the modern day. But the weird thing is that in recent years that quite a few of them like Armadillo, Flagsmasher and Madcap are getting used more in other books, I honestly think a lot of the problem is that Captain America modern stories are more focused on trying to have him directly deal with reflecting on america rather then how older runs would just have him do actual varied stories or stuff like having to trackdown Scourge of the Underworld while also balancing that with political focused stories. A lot of modern writers tend to be obsessed with focusing on doing whole runs or drawn out arcs rather then balancing it with interesting one off stories and issues that gradually or organically build up to arcs and sagas.
>>152159810>He's propaganda no matter how you slice itYes but not in the way you think. Since the 70's, he's been used by liberal writers as a mouthiece for their viewpoints through the assurance that Cap, as a symbol of America, agreeing with this makes them more righteous and true.
>>152159966>>152160019The Gruenwald run was like 10 years long and all solid. Most people just would rather get bite sized stories in tpb form than commit to jumping in on 10 years of monthly comics though.
He's the best. Really strong set of runs.
Who's your fave Captain America love interest?
>>152159810>>152159966Tell me you haven't read Captain America without telling me you haven't read Captain America. His runs were always putting him through a ringer.
>>152160104Serpent Society need better costumes. Baron Zemo's better than Zola. But yes I agree with everything else. Especially with how they use Cap books to spout their own nonsense soapbox politics. Especially with Falcon & the Nazi Cap shit.
>>152160215Diamond Back was pretty neat. But I always like it when a bad girl goes good because she's turned on by altruism deep down.
>>152160258Funny enough did commission some redesigns of the ol Serpent Society a while back, not the entire lineup but mostly my faves and the most important members. Also as someone with the perspective of I don't live in America, it feels like if all his stories delve into him dealing with real issues or topical points then it just means that it loses impact and also devalues discussing them and depicting them if they aren't done well. It's the difference between having him fight the supervillain Crossbones who's essentially representative of neo nazi with potential to discuss why people would be drawn to such ideology or having to facedown Scourge who's murdering supervillains which can draw interesting parallels on reform/the discussion of criminal rights despite their actions plus lethal force alongside humanizing a lot of the C-List themed crooks and then compare that to just he fights ICE or gets yelled at for not doing more for mutants as hypotheticals. Like just cause he's an inherently political character that doesn't mean you can't tackle it in a way that suits his comic book setting and is still balancing being a fun fantastical adventure but also touching into real topics, hell they had no issue with that balance from the 70's to the 80's.
>>152160217He's still propaganda see >>152160121Even propaganda you may agree with is STILL propagandaFighting for the "American Dream" IS propaganda because the definition varies all over the place depending on who you askSteve is a moral character but his understanding of the country he even represents is naive
>>152160340>I don't live in America,Wouldn't have guessed.
>>152160340That's the problem with Marvel kind of encouraging the real world parallels but modern writers don't know how to be subtle or middle of the road. They're extremely biased & definitely to the left. So you can't have the nuance anymore. Just Red Skull being a strawman while making actually valid points.
I think that, as his namesake country slides ever deeper into a totalitarian oligarchy, Captain America will soon be stealing oil and minerals from other countries, and sending masked gunmen into the streets to terrorize the population, and covering up the most infamous child sex abuse scandal of his time.
>>152160320Honestly it's a shame she's been neglected by adaptions, besides the animes where she oddly appears in both Disk Wars and Future Avengers though I'm also thankful she didn't get into Brave New World even if Alita's actress for her would've been neat. Hell honestly a lot of recent writers mistreat her way to much, especially Nick Spencer despite overall liking how he handled a lot of Spider-Man villains. Rachel Leighton woulda been perfect for Avengers EMH, hell you've already got the Serpent Society in the show and she would've looked utterly yum in the art style.
>>152160353When old comics would bring up an issue it was done in a way where it was kind of left open. Oh you could totally see where the writer was leaning, they weren't subtle even then, but the point was they wanted to make you think. I imagine they waned you to agree with them but all the same they left the story to you. Now it's basically just screaming about things I don't believe the writers understand. Also the old writers felt like they were actually adults.
>>152160356Yeah noHe'd just be Nomad again (assuming his optimism becomes THAT crippled)He's not a stooge for the government even if he is a walking representative for the country
>>152160352Where would you guess I'm from then? Also I would've broken the paragraph up but I don't want to get argued at about Reddit spacing or whatever shit, I'm already gonna be getting an ESL accusation here.
Captain America in a nutshellhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfNe2uv-bHs
>>152159966>The moments of him questioning government authority are interesting at least.You can only do it so many times where you start to wonder when is he finally just gonna stop He's a character burdened by IP because the naturally conclusion IS him retiring as Captain America but he can't for meta reasonsHe doesn't have to hate his country completely but the natural end for him is to shed his naivete for good
>>152159767Good runs, good villains, stands on his own a lot better than some of the other avengers. He’s a great character as well
>>152160425Little off topic but I would've loved to see how the Ironman Armoured Adventures team woulda done a Captain America cartoon honestly.
>>152160366Exactly.
Which run should I start with for primo Cap /co/ntent? The only Cap story I remember reading was that one origin issue where he was surprised a black woman could be a doctor.
>>152160385You know, if this scene was written now she would be a lot more patronising, vitriolic and contemptuous towards Worf instead of having such silly things as nuance and getting her point across without becoming unlikable.
>>152160372>Where would you guess I'm from then?For some reason I want to say you're Norwegian or thereabouts.
>>152160465>Which run should I start with for primo Cap /co/ntent?That's kind of the best part. A lot of his runs are really rock solid. You can go read the 1968 revival and just go. You have Lee and Kirby, You have Steranko, Romita Sr, Englehart, Thomas, JMD, a tragically short Roger Stern run and a 10 year Gruenwald.
>>152160496That's actually not a guess gotten before lol but to hot here to be Norweigan. Anycase I'm from the lovely land of Emu's, baby's coming from beer mugs and our dollar being total dogshit when I want to buy anything outside the country.
>>152160520Never forget.
>>152160531I think people wouldn't meme on us so much if it was a Cassowary war. Those things are legitimate dinosaurs but Emu's are kinda goofy despite their size. Frankly I'm happy the Emu's won since fond of most birds, though never gotten an Emu themed character in Marvel yet suppose. Honestly to slightly get back on the topic of Captain America I'm surprised more stories don't have him in other countries working with that regions main superheroes, like him hanging with Alpha Flight or the Winter Guard for example.
>>152159842I don't understand the love for madbomb. It's such massive step down from the Englehart stuff that came before it.
>>152160603You're the opposite of a real American, of course you'd think he's lame.
>>152160651I know you're baiting but you're right. Not that "adult" western animation is any better when looking at the shit on Netflix just being very gay edgefests without the writing nuance.
Cap is my favorite superhero, he represents America and its ideals at their best. Bad writers who don't understand him or American ideals can use him poorly, but when written well he's awesome.
Always liked him, partially because I grew up with him in games. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whbPnd9xWlM
>>152160682Just because he's a paragon doesn't mean he's naive.
>>152160668>Correct if I'm wrong but about this>a naive fool who is blind to his country's crimes You're wrong about the character. He's not naive about America's faults, the tension between America's ideals and its failure to fully live up to them at times is a core part of his character. He tries to fight for the best possible version of the country and its stated values, explicitly rejecting "my country right or wrong."Obviously they're not going to have a Marvel superhero trying to assassinate real life political figures for obvious reasons. But he has opposed corrupt U.S. intelligence agencies, presidents, military leadership, and secret programs on many occasions.
The best about cap, FF and Hulk is that he doesn't have a Miller or a Claremont, post SA runs that trannies and hacks yell when the authors don't follow , so their stories are diverse enough to do whatever for fun.Daredevil was like that but then Smith/Bendis/Brubaker decides that only Daredevil stories that mattered were Miller ones, same with Muggas and redoing claremonts story arcs or Iron Man with demon in a bottle.
One of the absolutely greatest character designs in all of comics (by Joe Simon). Has had some great runs, particularly by Englehart and Brubaker.
>>152159767Hes a liberal and woke before woke was a thus, thus hes my pick.
>>152161609Nobody was ever a fat faggot like you, and if you are trying to be “le epic troll!!” fuck off anyway
>>152159928This sadly, thanks to Trump, Captain America is no longer possible.
>>152161616Captain America is pro democratic America. Cope.
>>152161622Wrong
>>152160121>>152160342The liberals on this case were right
>>152161634You are the one coping
